Carb vs TBI For 2024 which is best?
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- čas přidán 28. 08. 2024
- Carburetor or fuel injection, what's the best? After several years of TPI bikes KTM (and TM) have now switched to TBI, throttle body injection. These new bikes have much better throttle response and better bottom end power. It also appears KTM has solved the TPS sensor issues that have plagued their bikes the past few years. So, for 2024, what's best carb or TBI?
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Carb every day for me. A 2 stroke for me is an easy to own and inherently reliable bike with less things to fail and leave you stranded out bumfuck nowhere. Adding fuel pumps, ECMs, crank pressure sensors and oil pumps all lessen inherent reliability as they are all prone to failure sooner or later.
THIS^^
Ditto, simplicity and reliability.
Agreed. 2017-2019 carb KTM/Husky. My favorite gen bikes ever.
@@DirtlegacyrealI bought a sherco to stay carbed my friends with TPI/TBI can’t believe how well the sherco does in technical stuff very good bottom end tractor like power
@@TheMEandBoyright, those things sound so good on video! Real crisp and smooth.
Just bought myself another carbed bike again today. Not ready to give up the bottom end grunt of a Beta 300 just yet.
I’ll stick with the carbed 17-19 model ktms for the foreseeable future. Been on them since 18 and they are just so good and reliable. I’ve never been “that guy” who needs to have the newest stuffs so riding a “old” bike is just fine by me. My bike is def not what holds me back 😂
EFI is not just about performance, but it also makes owning the bike way easier
I’ve ridden my friends KTM’s and they all seem a little flat and characterless through the bottom and midrange compared to my carby Beta. Mind you, that lack of character or playfulness as you will, may be on purpose. Whiskey Throttle on the Beta is a real possibility and has caught my KTM friends off guard occasionally with some unfortunate results. That said, I will agree that the TBI bikes are getting better as opposed to the TPI bikes. It all may just come down to mapping. As far as ethanol, unless you’re riding a bike from the eighties it’s a non issue. I still like the simplicity and tuneability of a carb bike and will continue to buy carby dirt bikes in the future. That said, a Smart Carb is on my to do list for next season. Cheers, from north eastern Ontario.
The TPI bikes are flat and not as exciting to ride IMO but the TBI are kind of in the middle of that and a carb feel.
I still ride my 2001 Honda CR250 for single track with the original Mikuni carb, and I doubt I will ever upgrade to a newer bike or fuel injection anything. It's not that I have anything against newer or fuel injection, it's just this old Honda just works phenomenally well and can't justify the expenditure for something new.
I have upgraded from a 2016 KTM 300exc with standard carb to a 2021 Husky TE300i and love the more linear power delivery. Yes the carbed bike seemed to have more instant snap off idle, but for traction and ease of control I much prefer the TPI.
Yes, the slower throttle response almost acts like traction control. It does have it's advantages.
I like the TBI, but i like my carbs more. I am very particular how I like my fueling to feel bottom\mid/top. Its just so damn easy to get it dialed perfect...and no sensors and extra stuff worry about. I am just very comfortable with my carb sherco and beta. If you dont know jetting or dont care or not paeticular TBI is the ticket.
Or better yet a SmartCarb 2
I’m glad that I have a new enough ”old school” mx 2-stroke 2018 Husky TC 250. It has still all the good things like kickstarter, carburetor, mechanical power valve, counter balancing shaft etc. but not these newest ”innovations”.
I have done all the easy and good mods to the engine like opened up the airbox for better breathing (Husky stock airbox doesn’t breathe as well as KTM’s), fixed two main issues with Mikuni TMX 38 carburetor so now it works perfectly, Boyesen Rad Valve intake, tweaked a bit transfer ports and exhaust ports timing by having the cylinder installed a bit higher than stock with higher base gasket thickness, small mods to transfer ports tracts/channels itself not the ports, Wiseco 1-ring forged piston, milled the head a bit down to get a proper squish band thickness = more effective and better burning mixture (32:1 in this case not less oil like ”recommended”), FMF Fatty pipe and Pro Circuit R304 shorty silencer, red power valve spring and 13-49 gearing (stock here in Europe is 14-50). It has VERY, VERY good power and superb throttle response.
I have tested several stock 2024 KTM TBI bikes (SX 250 and SX 300 for example) and they didn’t have the same kind of power than my TC 250 has. It feels like too linear powerband without that feeling of power like a well tuned carb bike has. I don’t need any newer bike and will keep my TC 250 for a long time for sure. In my opinion there is no need here at sea level for any Smart Carbs or Lectrons. Keihin PWK and Mikuni TMX are very good carburetors. Keihin from the factory and Mikuni with those few small mods.
Carbs are the only fueling method that checks the KISS principle box, which for me, is very important. I have been riding from 300ft in AZ to 12K CO about every year and having to change a few jets or move the needle clip only 3 times a year is NOT an issue for me, that is why I will be keeping my 2022 Sherco 300 SE for many years to come. I like the gnarly stuff so the only other 2T that I feel is close to the Sherco in the low end is the Beta 300R and of course the only reason it would even be on my radar is the CARB it comes with. We all know that the dirt bike industry is being forced to go down this path, not that TPI or TBI is better than a carb except for less emissions, fuel economy and a linear power delivery. So if those things are super important to you TBI is the way to go for sure, enjoy!
Carbureted for me! So I'll stick to my Beta's or Sherco for as long as possible. I understand the benefits but I'm old school and will stay that way until I have to switch to atv's or a sxs.
I just watched a video where the KTM 250xc and 300sx tbi bikes are having a few issues that grenade the motor or have problems with it start bogging or shutting off at times. The grenading issue is caused by the piston skirt hitting the crank at high rpm's. They did say that they've seen most of the first issue in motocross & high stress types of riding. However that concerns me no matter what because if you're climbing a big hill or you're have to get over a good size obstacle and it bogs or stops running that could be very serious depending on where, how, and what they're ruding on. Now this is not s TBI issue but a serious one nonetheless.
I got a 22 250 xc tpi last year, coming off moto four strokes. The handling and ergos were awesome but the power left something to be desired. A couple months ago I switched to a 19 TX 300 with carb. Wanted to try a carb before eventually going TBI. So far I like it a lot better
First I want to compliment you on the excellent trail photography. Capturing the ride on video requires skill and quality video equipment. There are many who can’t ride for a variety of reasons and can come along with you to enjoy these fantastic mountain landscapes.
I agree with your assessment of the new 2024 XCW. I have tested one and now own a 2024 TE 300. Both bikes are remarkable, and a big step up from the previous generation. This new gen is a comprehensive rethink: every component has been examined and in most cases replaced with something better. The new stiffer chassis combines with the new outstanding closed cartridge fork to give the rider the best out of the box bike currently available. The newfound stability and precision tracking through the rough stuff needs to be experienced to be fully appreciated. The 2nd gen fuel injection system now functions as good as the best carb setup, but has newfound flexibility and idle stability. The map switch now makes a big difference due to the fact that the ECU now controls the exhaust valve. You can now choose big low end torque or a ripping top end in a second. As to those that worry about being stuck in the backcountry due to EFI, consider that every new car and truck sold in the last 30 years has EFI. I have bought 5 new 300’s over the past 12 years and have never needed a kick starter or a tow in thousands of hours of operation. Granted the TPI models suffered from sensor issues, but that never stopped them from running. Henry Ford ditched the hand crank back in the 1930’s. KTM offered them as an accessory until last year, but nobody bought them.
As smaller volume manufacturers, Sherco, Beta, Rieju, and the like were not held to the same emission requirements as KTM/ Husky. This loophole allowed them to run carbs and have a richer fuel mixture, thus making more power. That loophole is ending: that is why these smaller manufacturers are now moving to fuel injection. They may have teething problems with the tech like KTM did. We shall see.
My 2024 TE 300 runs so well that I have no interest in modifications other than tires and gearing for our steep and deep PNW conditions. The bike is so good that I call it the Fountain of Youth: I am riding with the aggression I had 15 years ago, and with confidence. Try to get a ride on the 2024 KTM/ Husky. Though very expensive, you get what you pay for.
Put a deposit in a 300xc-w hard enduro and waiting for it to arrive next month. Can’t wait!
Well said. I 100% agree with everything you have to say. The new generation KTM 2strokes are phenomenal.
Outstanding trails! I have a 2022 KTM 300 XCW with 244 hours and the bike has been flawless. Low power has never been an issue, due to the fact that I’m always on single track and moving pretty slow. I also do a lot of solo riding, and the bike has never let me down regarding breakdowns. I’m sticking with TPI.
21 250 xc-w tpi with an Ecm tune. Absolutely love it clean running, oil injected and starts right up after i drop it👍
My son and I ride a 2020 (200hrs) and 2021 (100hrs) 300 xcw. No issues at all with the engines or fuel systems. We run them on single track trails all summer and as snow bikes in the winter. I will admit that they are not the ideal bike for Snowbike kits, a 450 or bigger 4 stroke is the way to go. I like the idea for the new TBI’s but my TPI’s haven’t let me down yet, I think we’ll be holding on to them for awhile.
Great videos Greg, I look forward to each one that comes out!!
2020 + Tpi XC with the idle screw is near perfection
2 strokes are supposed to be simple and light. SmartCarb 2 is perfect... at least on level with tbi if not exceeding it. No electronics... fully analogue mechanical system ❤❤❤
I agree the Smartcarb gives you a lot of the benefits of FI without the added complexity but they are not without their own problems as well.
@@PNWEnduro what problems? And do those outweigh the problems with fi?
When riding in cooler temperatures with high humidity condensation collects on the slide causing it to stick. I experience this every winter. SC has made a new design with dimples on the inner wall of the carb to try and mitigate this but I have not had the opportunity to test it yet.
@@PNWEnduro So they finally addressed that issue? That’s good. I can’t believe all the hoops they makes me jump through when I was dealing with it. Found out later it was a big issue effecting lots of people.
I have been telling them it's an issue for years.... Not ideal to pill the slide out of the carb to wipe the gunk off of the side of the trail in the middle of winter when the bike is already muddy.
Never had a fuel-infected dirt bike yet, but like that they're good with elevation changes. With ethanol fuels though, absolutely always keep it fresh! A month is old.
I run ethanol free super unleaded and VP110 in my 97 YZ285 with a Smartcarb. It’s sat since 2019 recently pulled the carb off and had zero varnish build up in the Smartcarb 👍
My buddy has a new TBI KTM…it’s been back to the dealer more than once. It’s far from perfected.
Carb is best.
Wow! What a great trail and video!
I hope to ride up there soon.
Thanks for all the amazing content!
I went from a 2016 250ecx to a 2024 300exc this summer. Didn’t really feel a big difference in the slow technical terrain, but what an improvement on the faster stuff! The new bike gives me so much more confidence in speed and jumps
I still have 3 carbed 2T bikes. (Smart carb and Lectron). Someone will need to pry them from my cold, dead hands. ;) The new TBIs are looking pretty good though.
I’ve got a YZ285 with the first version Smartcarb and it rips but it’s a pain to get started. Gonna get a 24 Husky TX300 TBI. Ready for e start, fuel injection and counterbalanced engine
My carbed Beta is a beast, I love that 300,
I love the new TBI, seriously! But spent a bunch on my TPI, GET-ECU V-force reed cage S3 super high compression head, Gnarly pipe etc etc etc. Honestly it is a 250 monster for tight singletrack with Lucky forks seriously tweaked shock made this girl really a very nice tool. The older TPI’s are for the most part without many many mods are boring IMHO. But YES TBI is the ultimate for deep woods bike.
Enjoy from California!
Yes, stock for stock, the TBI's are a lot better starting point but you still would be starting over as far as making it your own like you have on your current ride.
I've always had a carb bike (Beta/GasGas). I got a 2020 TE300 to keep on the mainland in Washington State (from Kauai) and that bike feels so much smoother than the carb bike. I'm sure it's more than just the TPI but the bike is so smooth. For hard enduro type riding, I don't notice any lack of low end. I'm always loading the flywheel and clutching, and have never had a problem lifting the front wheel for obsticals on that thing so it's kind of splitting hairs to me. Just my thoughts.
I have a 19 KTM 300xc (with a lectron carb) and made the switch to a 24 KTM 300xcw and its an amazing bike. Great for hard enduro and fast single track. Handles better than the XC in all conditions. Map switch actually works and you can feel a major difference between the 2 maps. Don't really ride my xc anymore as it feels heavy and the not flickable like the new generation KTMs.
I have a nice ‘18 KTM 300 and I love it, no reason for me to change yet!
I Love my 22 Sherco Se 300. I am not interested in switching back at the moment.
Carbs ..
I have a 23 300 xc TBI… Awesome motor. I also have a 22 Beta 300 RE. Throttle response is instant at all rpm’s on the TBI xc. The carb is great as well, but it’s nice to not have to adjust for temperature and elevation. Cleaned a clogged pilot jet yesterday, easy enough. My friends TBI 300xcw is softer than my xc…still good though.
I have been on 2 strokes since 1968 and after the initial jetting of a new bike I have never had to rejet for temperature or altitude's anywhere between sea level and 6000'. Could my bike have run a little better if I did? maybe, but they have ALWAYS run just fine.
@@ddrowdy2 The Beta runs pretty good up to 6000 with only an air screw adjustment, but if I take it out in the winter below 40 degrees I have to jet accordingly.
I’ve got 5 friends with tbi bikes that are fouling plugs, the new mapping on the 24 bikes runs crazy rich in the lows and lean in the highs. They need to figure this out so everyone doesn’t have to send there ecu’s to tsp or slavens for a remap.
Great video and always look forward to your opinions…. Riding a 2020 Sherco 250se factory love the bike. Compared to my 2004 KTM 200 exc, the Sherco is fantastic. Appears TBI is the future and if lucky enough to ride a variety of states and altitudes, seems TBI is the way to go.
How does your 250 compare frame size to the smaller framed 200s?
@@clintonlied
Well the 200 is definitely lighter and a little easier to throw around; easier to pick up, and the seat height is 3/4 inch shorter than the Sherco. However, the Sherco is nimble while moving and feels more planted to the ground. Not a great comparison due to 2004 ( KTM )to 2020 ( Sherco ), but the suspension and ability to lug the Sherco I enjoy a great deal. Even being an older, shorter rider, I enjoy the Sherco more than the KTM.
I bought a DRz400s this month. So I'm back to everything old school including a carb.
2017 300 xcw with SC2. I'd totally upgrade to a TBI 300 xcw if the budget allowed...
I have a 21 Gas Gas EC 300 tpi The bike has potential but was choked down by EPA restrictions.
1. Over heating
2. No bottom end grunt
I bought a 300 for more bottom end torque...so disappointing.
Went aftermarket for:
Get ECU & TBI conversion
RK Tech head
Oil pump deleted "mixing 50:1"
Thermostat deleted "more H2O flow" cooler temps.
The bike rips now but I hated spending all that $$$ on a new bike to make it run right.
Im still thinking of a carburetor next time.
I follow PNW Enduro, I like their videos and their talks, so I am going to give you a more European point of view, more from the north of Spain so that you can also think a little about it in Canada and the USA. We simply bought a Sherco because for less money we have quality components in their Factory, for example the suspensions, they are also very developed motorcycles that feel very light, something that we always look for, they are motorcycles that I love, and if they have bad things, the plastics do not fit perfection, etc... French brands neglect some details. BEWARE, Sherco in 2025 wants to CHANGE the entire bike including electronic injection, as it is doing with trial bikes. We bought Rieju the MR PRO for the same reason, it is the old Gas-Gas, with an engine that is 20 years old, but that has a beastly power with the S3 cylinder heads, for €9000 you can get it even with the anodized seat posts and top quality components. quality in suspensions, brakes, exhaust but their R&D development does not come from the KTM group, which is a giant, neither in chassis, nor in geometries, but they still do very well in the field, although Sherco is superior but also €1000 more expensive , but they are very good motorcycles, you are already riding them. The Husqvarna before the new 2024 had the fork directly put in the drawer, that is, you spend a fortune on a motorcycle (in Spain the tires are shit compared to France, UK, Germany, Switzerland, ...) and you directly have to add another €1800 or so on a fork, and you still have things that don't reach the quality of Sherco or the Rieju MR PRO like the brakes. There are people who buy Husq to have incredible basses, they oil them once every thousand years and you don't need to carry a can of oil, the plastics are quality and their response, although not so immediate... is that it runs a lot and for If that were not enough, IT SPENDS HALF AS MUCH AS CARBURATION, it has a lot of influence on passing the zones pulling at low rpm. The new one is all new, even the anchoring of the light to the shock absorber, one of the problems it is having is that on long, very steep descents, even if you have 1.5 liters in the tank, they turn off, the gasoline does not reach the new one fuel pump, yes, if you want the Sherco components you go through the cash register, like the tires, in the end it can be more expensive than a Panigale, it is best to stick with the standard ones. I like KTM less because the linkages are usually preferred to the pdm, which gets worse over time or requires more maintenance. The only advantage we see with the pdm is the ground clearance, although they are more agile in changes of direction for hard enduro, something that for me It's more for pros and competitions, most of us are weekend fans. The new Gas-Gas are an alternative for those who want to save something within the KTM group by taking the open cartridge fork (currently 2024 Husqvarna and KTM have changed it to a closed cartridge and spring in both bars, the only difference with the previous model, it is quite a bit ) and taking the rest of its sisters, TBI, chassis, subframe, new rear shock absorber support, etc. etc. Personally, I like the look of a Rieju MR Pro in the old school style more than the white one on the Husqvarna and I don't like the ones that match the clothing brand with their motorcycle colors. If you have money today, 2024, I think that the option, just due to pollution restrictions, would be a motorcycle from the KTM group. If you want a motorcycle that runs a lot for time trials, the Rieju MR Pro with one of the two S3 cylinder head options it has would be the option, without a doubt. Something intermediate between enduro and time trials the Sherco. Something for occasional people once a month or two less than two years the Gas-Gas, one to compete in Hard Enduro the Sherco again, Husqvarna or the KTM 2024. For the weekend with more than three years of experience the Husqvarna, the KTM the Sherco carburetion. This scroll is for those who want to read about motorcycles.
If you are willing to pay it. AV (100LL) gas is still ethanol free, but has lead. You can run decalin to scavenge the lead in it to keep it from building up on valves and spark plugs.
I feel to get a similar “Modern” feel close to the TBI.
Probably a Smart Carb/Lectron and the option for electric start.
I like my 23 TC125 it had problems but I ironed them out, the dealers mix got through 2 of my spark plugs it was the only issue I had really. I don’t have an issue with charging the bike.
It was best for me to get a 125 a 250f would be heavy and I know damn well a 250 or 300 would be to much bike as I started riding on a KX100.
The characteristic of the bike is still poppy yet it’s manageable with counter weight to reduce vibration and a little bit of linearity of the power.
I don't think I will ever be ready but will likely move on to a TBI eventually because all manufacturers seem to be moving in that direction. I'm in total agreement that any FI bike will run better than a carb bike but in a dirt bike application I think the lighter weight and simplicity of a carb is better. I ride in a wet and salt air environment as well. Electronics just don't do well with salt and water contamination where a carb being a mechanical device is pretty much unaffected. Just my humble opinion but I also think a bike doesn't have to run perfectly to have fun dirt biking. For 99.9% of us it is just for fun maybe for a pro racer FI makes the difference of better race results and a better income.
Yes most bikes these days are great, none are perfect. The newest technology is interesting though. As far as weight, the new KTM TBI is significantly lighter than my carbed Sherco, like 15-20 pounds. That's pretty significant.
Happy with carbs.
2018 xcw with a carb and a kickstarter. Won’t be giving it up until the TBIs have at least another trouble free year under their belts. It’s to good to trade in on unproven technology.
Been very happy with my 2021 300 TPI I like the traction that low end gives me. Next bike will be a TBI. Any new bike works great splitting hairs at this point. All brands are so good we live in a great time for enduro bikes.
TBI all the way
Awsome video and commentary
there's an advantage to not being an early adopter of new tech; injected two strokes was generally going to be a longer term progression to better systems (TPI > TBI) but also the experiences from TPI has led to good aftermarket solutions such as the TSP injector relocation kits and better ECU maps being affordable options. Moving from carb to injected is really a matter of personal choice / financial options now for most....arguably a carb is still an easier fix though if you're stuck out in the boonies.
Money has nothing to do with it, We don't buy KTM because we don't think they are as good as the other options. Quality injection is still years away, TBI is not much better than TPI was when compared to a carburetor's performance.
8:02 I actually don’t want ethanol free.
I have a flex fuel tune on my daily driver. Makes 350whp on gasoline and 390whp on e85. Same boost pressure.
It burns “cleaner”, has an oxygen in the molecule, but mostly… it just runs cooler. Temp spikes are noticeably better on ethanol.
In the Dirtbike I wouldn’t run in on a 4-stroke because it will cause accelerated fuel pump wear. But if you’re mixing your own 2-stroke gas it’s fine for an efi bike. E10 will make you run a touch leaner, but that can be tuned for.
I have a 2023 300xc and it’s too rich from the factory. I run e10 if I can find it.
Awesome videos and commentary 👍🏽👍🏽
Thank you! 👍
I've never had any failure issues with my 2021 tpi.
With that said I hated the lack of low end grunt and the HOT operating Temps. I have converted to TBI and ran a G.E.T. ecu. Bike runs good now but it should have ran better the day I bought it.
Wouldn't you prefer a carb for more remote riding? seems like a carb is far less likely to fail vs a computer, sensors, pump and injector.
Less failure points with a carb for sure. FI has the advantage of running straight gas in the tank (OI models) adjustment for elevation and better fuel economy. Definitely a trade off.
Do you think the 2024 KTM XC-W 300 TBI is the way to go? Or is it untested and we are the guinea pigs just waiting for all the problems to start?
I wouldn't say untested as it's the same technology as the 2023 XC's. If I was to buy today it would be the Husky 300TE Pro model. Brembo brakes and linkage so it will sit a little lower than the XCW with PDS. First time I can a say I'd pick the Husky over the KTM.
@@PNWEnduroCool video. I currently have a YZ285 with an older cast version Smartcarb. It runs great but is a pain to get started. Looking forward to getting a 24 Husky TX300 with Rockstar graphics kit and a FMF blue titanium muffler. So ready to move up to e start, fuel injection and a counterbalanced engine 👍
@@PNWEnduroexactly my dilemma right now need to decide between 2024 Sherco SE vs Husky te300 Pro, same price point, saw both today the both looking really good 🤷🏻♂️
I rode my old carb 500 yesterday & had to pull it apart to adjust the float. Pain in the ass. After years of messing with them I definitely don’t miss carbs. Never had issues with my tpi, runs good all the time. I am interested in the tbi but prefer separate oil & gas. So much easier if you have to share gas on the trail. Our current govt sucks! Lol
The xcw/te/ec enduro models are oil injected.
@@PNWEnduro Yes thankfully.
Keihin carb ,kickstart , and KYB
Simplicity with performance...
Do the Sherco’s have smaller feeling frame than the Ktm’s?
Yes.
The very LAST thing I want is a bike that feels detuned. I want the power and I want it now, carburetor style. Currently on a YZ250X and waiting for the '24 Betas to show up at the dealer, cuzz I'm old and want one of those "girl" bikes with e-start.
Try riding the new KTM 250/300 XC, they do not feel detuned. If you like the hard hitting power the Beta 300RR Race Edition will be a good choice for you.
Next bike will be a 4stroke lol. Moved to Kamloops so no need for a “hard enduro” bike. Personally really like my tpi bike with a high compression head. Way faster than my skill level.
I'm loving my Sherco 300SEF!
My TPI bike is the worst bike I’ve ever owned…
So if you buy another KTM, 250 or 300 XCW?
If I bought one today it would be the Husky TE300 pro model because the linkage sits lower than a pds bike and it has brembo brakes.
My TPI bike has given me nothing but issues and hasnt worked properly since I bought it. The top end was replaced at 10 hours and it still wouldn't run right.
Unfortunately I've seen this with several TPI bikes. Sorry you got a bad one.
@@PNWEnduro it's a bit disappointing that you spend $14000 on a high end enduro bike and it doesn't work even after being"fixed" by the dealer.
I hope it's at least being fixed under warranty. One thing I'd ask them to check is for a sticking or fluttering power valve. My buddy had his 2020 TPI at the dealer for three months and they could not figure it out. Only when KTM flew their head tech across the country to look at it he found this and resolved it in one day.
I like a proven bike for remote riding not fresh and unproven
Cool.
It would be really cool if you could at least say the province or state you are in. Even the region.
I have several reasons I don't disclose locations publicly but you can reach out to me on social media for info.
PNW is a region.
PMW is in the name, and he's stated which country. It's pretty easy to figure out. Most people on CZcams don't give specific trail info as they don't want them to get blown out.
Pretty sure that is BC, but I am guessing, Did that help?
Sherco don't have the budget that KTM do so will be playing catchup when it comes to R&D.
They have the TBI bike ready but decided to push the release back a year.
Xc tbi all the way best ktm bike since 2015
Have you tired the new XCW/TE? They seem a bit better for more technical riding. More open stuff the XC is a ton of fun. Around here the 2017-19 era carb KTM's are very sought after.
@@PNWEnduro yes i try both xc and xcw i do a lot of Technical riding i Just finish the battle of prospectors hard enduro in Canada with my 250 xc 2023 and i finish 6th on 42 overall man!!! This bike is a complete blast
@sao007 the new XC is really fun to ride, I can't argue that!
I'm not independently wealthy so I ride and old bike with a carb, but it's old enough that it's a green sticker which you cannot get in California anymore.
Doesn't matter what you are riding, if you are having fun that's what's important. Those green sticker bikes must really hold their value in California now.
It always costs money to ride a buddy's bike.
LOL true, sometimes lots of money!
My tpi ran perfect, my new tbi runs like crap!
Bummer. Mine runs amazing. Only complaint is the fuel range could be a little better.
@@PNWEnduro right, I went through a tank of gas on a 30 mile ride the other day. Used to get 55 easy out of my tpi