"What if the Lich King had Won?" - Alternate Warcraft
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Hello everyone and welcome to the first installment of a new series of videos I hope I can entertain you guys with between my machinima uploads. In these videos, "The What If Series," we will be tackling the difficult questions of Azeroth and playing out new scenarios that may have occurred if circumstances may have turned out differently in lore. This first episode focuses on Arthas, the Lich King, and we ask the question: What if he had won? What if the Lich King had defeated us in the events of Wrath of the Lich King?
Keep in mind that all the information in this video are my own ideas. If you'd like to share your own in the comment section below, feel free! :)
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if he won, we had warcraft 4
if he lose, we had another patch update
I never lost it's all part of my plan
@@lichking3119 omg you still alive so may I join you we will be a great alliance together legend Empire and lich king
We have a great army if you want 😂😂😍😍😍
@@lichking3119 oh ok we have undead army is that good ??
@@TheTactical0 they're just pile of Bones and you expect that to conquer azeroth
@@lichking3119 arthes we have everything
Giants / assassin/ warlords/ elite archers/elite cavalry/ dragons
I have won like 258 battle without lost
Is that good enough to join
Oh u forgot about something your army too is undead your dragon is almost bones
Nixxiom, isn’t it funny you were right again in your prediction that Slyvannas would rather use the plague on her Undercity rather than lose it to invaders?
kek
I was just about to post this comment
Came to say this lol
Its not HER undercity, she was just a squatter there
as a tactical move that great tho
what if the lich king won? there wouldn't be any pandas and garrisons
Sounds like the dream. Lol.
Pandas never existed for me ....
Dam we need to go back in time and kill tirion
no... there would be Panda Death Knights. Pandas have been in the game since Warcraft 3, just never touched by the scurge and all that. So if the other forces of the world were wiped out, they would eventually be attacked and the strong turned into Death Knights like the other races werel
No they werent, WC3 easter eggs and most bonus missions arent/werent canon in real Warcraft lore (e.g. maiev doesnt have Twilight Hammer/Shadow Council powers she gathered across the Tomb) and the whole bonus/Orgrimmar campaign is book bonus based instead of WC2-WC3 which were the only cases of pandas appearing (joke and brick joke continuation respective in spinoff material).
You know it's a serious Nixxiom video when he says "Icecrown Citadel" instead of "Icecream Citadel"
As I state in the last moments of this video: I know that I didn't get to mention a TON of stuff like Deathwing returning, specific major heroes and what they would do/how they would die, etc. I didn't want the video to be too long, after all. But here's my question for you guys: Would you like videos like these to be longer? maybe 20-25 mins rather than my current 15 goal? I'm always open to feedback from you all. Let me know what you think. :)
yes! nixxiom i, and many other ppl, love your content and the longer it is the more content we get, so just do as much as you able and comfortable doing! dont push yourself for our sakes, but if you can, we would love to see more content
I think either making them longer or dividing them into multiple episodes for more detail would be good
make it 2 hours or longer and i'd still watch the whole thing
Honestly, if you are bringing up a long and grueling reconquest campaign in Northrend then yes, Cataclysm's events should come up, as Cata happened at most 1-2 years after WotlK's end; including the Lich King's reactions to a new threat to the entirety of Azeroth popping up. Multiple episodes are fine, but the lack of timeframe in the general WoW timeline kind of breaks the AU buildup if LK's victory at ICC is meant to be the only difference.
Arthas would probably fuck Deathwing and the Legion in the butt if he had all of our heroes turned into undead. But yeah , 20 minutes will be okay. Its interesting to see what you think because those "What if" series are cool.
To anyone posting comments like "Is this based off of Hellscream's idea?" First of all, it's not my idea. Both Nixx and I were inspired into uploading these types of videos from watching a couple of Star Wars youtubers who started uploading series like these. It takes a good time to make vids like these folks. Days of research, another couple of days of writing the script then recording audio and then like another week to edit and get everything ready for publishing. Nobody copied the other; it's just crazy witchcraft that we both uploaded a video like this in the same week. But having that said, looking forward to more of these videos! They're a pain in the ass to research but they're fun to make in the end!
ah that explanes cuz at first i start this was ur video at first so that clears up my mind of being like o.o is nixxiom copying
You got the idea from the "Loreguy"?
I love both you guys and this series of videos is amazing keep it up
Thanks for addressing this! I was sure I wasn't the only one sitting there thinking, "I wonder if he got this idea from Hellscream." Both your video and Nixxiom's were great, and I hope to see more!
you should team up with nixx and lets say nobbel(the lorewalker ;) ) to create one big "if" machinima, maybe take some other machinima creators, break it into parts so everyone of them can upload something to their channel linking to another channel with another part (so everyone could get the value of their subscriptions and advertisement money) let it take a couple of months or even a year, this still would be epic. Maybe what if Sylvanass would want to take Lich King's place, or something. Like for example, Wrathion would convince her that she needs to take over LK's forces to protect Azeroth from legion.
Whoah. It's creepy how you unknowingly predicted how Lordaeron would fall in the BFA pre patch to the Alliance.
Right lol I was thinking the same thing
Well yeah, it's a legitimate strategy.
I would love to "lose" an expansion, I'm starting to feel invincible and the sense of danger is not there anymore since wrath.
World of Scourgecraft: Rise of the Death Knights. You can now only play as DKs and the level cap will forever be 58.
And said Death Knight would say how great it was when everyone was alive and how they were once living and how all undead suck.
Yeah that sounds... Wait, level cap 58? And only class being death knight? Only level 58 Death Knights?
Being a DK for all eternity would rock. you don't have to eat, sleep or die of old age or disease, also Arthas just has that level of command that makes you want to follow him.
You missunderstood! Some other Guys wouldve left Alliance/Horde and help the lichking so you Could assume that you still Could Play other classes
LOL That would be AWESOME! YOU KNOW... IT WAS WAY MORE FUN BACK WHEN WE WERE ALIVE AND THE LEGION KEPT COMING FOR US. (Uses taunt)
Oh I LOVE the idea at the end of the video. It's like every expansion ends the same. If we actually lost once, I think it would be a nice twist for once at least!
No thanks. We've now had 2 expansions where we don't actually kill the last boss.
+Rizzla CS name them, and why the last boss we got wasn't the "last boss".
Kil'jaedan and Garrosh. As for ''name them, and why the last boss we got wasn't the last boss." I have no idea what you are trying to say there.
+Rizzla CS If you're truly so brain dead you can't comprehend my question then never mind. Lol
Cop out answer, you know im right and that your comment makes no sense, and now your trying to save face.
The same thing that happens every other time, Malfurion comes and saves the day somehow
With his pro bmx bike riders
Or Thrall
So....
All of this happened because Invincible (Arthas's Horse)
tried to jump on a Hill and broke his leg.....
lol
Technically
It was because a tiny ice was there
Maybe not as an expansion, but if it this was made into a WoW styled side game - I'd play the shit out of it.
Like an rts? Like warcraft 1, 2 or 3? :p
Not exactly a fan of RTS myself, but I'd still play it for the story. I'd prefer an RPG style though, of slowly taking over the world through quests. Like as a secondary scourge soldier, first with the world conquest, then Burning Legion seeing my potential and having to help dfeating the Scourge in Burning Legion's name.
+Dave Asher Oh ny fucking god that wouldbbe so damn good. I would love it if there were two styles: RTS and RPG style to play it. :D For fans of BOTH styles. (I realise this would be hard to make though.)
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Actually they tried and failed with garrisons.
I expected Garrisons to be an rts "clash of clans"-like idea where you and your friends battled together or against by building and training units.
I did not expect it to be an afk quest timer. I thought those quests were for learning new units via wc3 or boosting them in upgrades like in wc2.
I doubt they'd do it now, due to a failure which also was supposed to be a revival of player housing.
Still, would be nice if the made a minigame for it. Would add hope for them and us.
***** Yup
Deathwing: *peeks his head out* noooope imma just stay under here for a few thousand more years
I dont think deathwing would give a shit to be fair ,even so in in actual game Deathwing and the Lich King missed out on eachother just bearly would be fun to see what would have happend of both of them were alive at the same time.
@@invoke4937 The army of undead dragons *might* be able to kill Deathwing.
If they do, Azeroth is 100% doomed.
@@invoke4937 Deathwing would have to face all the Aspects as undead, Galakrond who was far stronger than any aspect alone, as well as every dragon to ever die, plus powerful beings like Jaina Thrall and others. It would be like a lizard vs army ants they would tear him to pieces.
@@Nathreim1 If Deathwing would be put inna pickle he would just blow up azeroth along with himself this was his last resort in dragonsoul aswel wen we needed to interupt his ''Cataclysm'' ability if he can pul that move of you know its over. also its foolish to think that deathwing would not be alone, its not just him vs the lich king and the scourge but the Twilight dragonflight and twilights hammer aswel deathwing himself could probly just kill thousands of scourge in one fel swoop of a flamebreath i mean this guy when he woke up from his slumber litterly broke the world im having a hard time believing he would lose to the lich king and his armies
PS: with the whole Galakrond thing keep in mind this was before Deathwing got empowerd by the Old gods but even so i think some people forget that deathwing has a very powerful army of himself aswel that waited behind the shadows ready to be summond.
@@Nathreim1 Galakrond got beat by the 'aspects' before they were even the 'aspects'.
New Dungeon/Mini Raid idea.
Caverns of Time, alternate timeline where Arthas revived the Player Characters into his new Champions. Go by 10 man just to make things simpler and you dont have 25+ bosses.
10 Champions, Tirin, and Arthas as a boss in raid that goes all around Northrend(Using portals similar to maybe something in Siege of Org or Dragon Soul). Have a few of the fights involve the Infinite Dragonflight and bam, awesome raid. If done right.
Or you take the place of those champions and fight good guys
It's kind clear after Legion(expansion) and Chronicle 3 that Arthas would have defeated any Legion invasion and eventually retaliate.
Azeroth is full of so many different powers, powers that are usually at odds with each other. The Scourge would incorporate all of them efficiently and Arthas would be nearly unstoppable with the entire world as Scourge.
But quick question how does undead reproduce to bolster their numbers
@@KePzez with races that surrendered to the Scourge, Arthas wasn't against letting the living join the Scourge like the Vrykul and even if unwilling, they can enslave populations and use them to produce more. Also reanimating demons, wether it be Zombies or Constructs is possible.
Ho hoh
@@EsotericSanity what about demon meats, you can make into many troop with meat
And then he’d raise those demons as undead.
Undead pit lords, dreadlords, ere’dar, and whole bunch of others
Unless the whole “twisting nether” things makes them immune to being raised into undeath
If Arthas won, he would get Azeroth's supply of Hot Cheetos and die from a heart attack.
He ripped out his own heart though :P
He'd still die of a heart attack
And MTN Dew!!
johnnyscifi BY GOD HOW WOULD I FORGET ABOUT MOUNTAIN DEW
Outplayed Fel dew, taste the power of the legion!
I'm pretty sure the scourge would have held back the legion personally
Zebra Outpost VA/Sorrow106 same here....I wanna honk that as well the scourge vs the legion....now that’s a war I would love to see and which side the horde and the alliance would choose.
Demons made the scourge soo....
Lord Shennington The whole point of Arthas’ scourge was to take over the world and bolster his forces to fight against the Legion when they came, that’s why he wanted to make us his champions he knew we would be a great asset to him. But then again the Legion is the Legion so I honestly can’t be sure who would win.
illidan and arthas would ally together woooo
"Tell them that the Lich King died, and WoW died with him..."
Ace Themisfit "Now leave this mmo and NEVER return!"
Ace Themisfit there must always be a new expansion
You joke, but to me WoW did die with arthas. I loved WC3 but after the shitshow of Kaelthas(my favorite WC3 character), Illidian, and now Arthas all being dead i was done.
Edit: I now know Illidian isn't dead somehow, because their writers realised they ran out of good characters im sure.
And more good characters will '' magicaly '' return somehow like illidan >,> ... i've said it before and i say it again. Blizzard, ruined the game with Catacalysm. That's why, we don't mention it *IN-GAME* And i bet they have a few show ups for us inn BfA for us... I'd like too see Bolvar who is the new lich king try to do something. But OFC they can't do that. Cus the '' lich king '' xD is OBV dead. But then, WE KNOW ! blizzard has a few tricks upon their sleeve with Bolvar. So, who knows what will come.
You are not prepared
"What if the Lich King had won?"
Well, for one thing Cataclysm would have been a much better expansion.
I would have loved a 3rd faction where the Lich King never dies and you could be a death knight that served the Lich King, attacking both horde and alliance forces. I would love to serve the Lich King. "All shall serve".
1:38 After all that epic "Light, give me strength" line, and this happening, Tirion's last worlds would probably be "Well... This is awkward..."
Now the question is : What if Bolvar won 3 days ago?
@Internet Entity a Queen forever will need a king to work.
Dude you got something right, Sylvanas did rig undercity to be filled with the plague. Just the scenario is a bit different.
Return of the Litch King expansion would make me resub right now
BlackWidowZL1 all the retarded morons... You know Bolvar is the lich king. Wtf?
No.. its enough that they pull Illidan out for every Shit. Arthas did his Job, and we had to let it be.
But Id would like to have an Expansion around the fried Chick - Bolvar.
Well Nixxiom and Asmongold both want and think the next expansion will be Wrath of the Fire King. However it would have to be done with respect and attention. Tbh I just want WOTLK classic server now.
Scourge lore > burning legion lore
Boy r u in for a blast in 3 days
If Arthas had won Nixxiom would be dead
Like he was alive to begin with...
+Peter Griffin In his first Machinima he was a heroic Night Elf DK that fought cor redemption. Now he's an 11 year old memeboy who wants to control the world with his Warlock friend.
Nixxiom would be happy to slay any Person on Azeroth and serve the King.... as me...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
+Süchtig nach Wissen Yup... Same...
this is what wouldve happend if blizzard didnt nerf the lich king
Joel Arstedt FACTS
He nerfed himself when he destroyed his heart
@@TheWaterboy818 mot really it's just made Arthas more powerful when he was still Death knight (besides he didn't destroy it, he just cut it out from his body)
@@MrAlinko21 Well, the heart got destroyed by Tirion.
@@MrAlinko21 bruh arthas was a paladin lol
Arthas should have won. If they bring out Warcraft 4, I hope they have an alternative ending to that of WOW's.
well the scourge may as well can considering the lich king consumed everyone soul and make them dks including us the one who kill death wing in the future if the lich king die also we the guy who can kill old gods
Actually it would be great idea for Warcraft 4. Alternate time line in some all of the WOW expansions
I would like an expansion where you work FOR one of the bad guys, like the lich King or the burning legion as we are always the heroes. When I first played as a death knight I though I would be working for the lich King throughout, but no, only for the intro area :(
Thought*
raydar2016 blizzard has to be kid friendly. Hence heros never die
I mean im fairly sure the DK campaign in legion was fairly grim wasnt it? I heard there's an instance where you try siezing tirion's body
raydar2016 same...are we like, twins?
Maybe the forsaken will be that faction
tl;dr
Method wouldve come on their alts and cleared on heroic anyways
Lol
You mean Paragon ;D
Paragon is no more isnt it?
Actually paragon had the first LK 25 HC kill.
+Rias-Sama Paragon is no more.Method still had Server first I believe.
Great idea Nixx, although we would all be undead by now ... but it would still be cool to be rulled by the most awesome character Blizz has ever provided ♡
Wouldn’t it be amazing if this was an expansion?? With the scourge being a new playable faction with corrupted undead versions of the current classes?!
"You will learn that no king rules forever. Only death is eternal."
What if the Hogger had Won?
My god...
Then we would behold the ultimate hero against the Legion.
he would take on sargeras and slay him, toying with him during the battle.
He would defeat the void gods like they were flies.
The come-back-back of Hogger would foreshadow even Deathwing.
Love these what if videos. Warcraft lore can be so sad sometimes, but so rich and fun to explore. I myself indulge in lots of alternate realities, more in line with my ideals.
This is a great video. I love the idea you added at the end too. Losing in Legion then having to deal with the Legion and whatever threat comes in the next xpac would make for an amazing story.
what if The lich king Reanimated Deathwing
Well then we would be screwed
He kind of would have to resurrect some golden wisps because idk if you remember but Deathwing exploded into dust
He tried to reanimate Galakrond which could have arguably been worse
Fuck
It would make for a shitty expansion that’s for sure lol.
12:03 nope. The Legion could never invade. Arthas' scourge would destroy the Tomb of Sargeras in similar scenario like is the Broken Shore. He wouldn't care about losses. He'd send thousands, hundreds of thousands to the tomb to close it and destroy it for good.
True, And Nixxiom forgot... What if Arthas just raised The Legion's losses? And why not raise the losses of other races like Murlocs, Animals, etc... And also, theres the possibility that Arthas could've went to numerous areas with dead shit then raised them. And don't forget, DRAGONS and some other shit. And why not just have The Cult of the Damned raise anything else?
+SCII RapterNew Plus he can use The Corrupted Ashbringer's crystal do empower Frostmourne. If he can get powerful enough then he could possibly empower The Scourge with Demons.
+SCII RapterNew Then the Legion would start fearing The Scourge because they'd start conquering planets once Azeroth is in undeath...The Titans would also have to face two menaces.
You can't raise demon's into undeath because they're souls just go back to the twisting nether i believe and im pretty sure he did rise everything into undeath hence being the king of the world and also as Nixxiom said the Legion MADE the scourge (mainly Kil'jaeden) to weaken Azeroth and im pretty sure Kil'jaeden would just one shot everything in his path with his demon armies and just finger boop arthas once then DED
You all guys are forgetting the fact that Sargaeras has the power to slice worlds in 2. If lk got strong enough, Sargaeras would have no other choice but to destroy azeroth and the titan soul within it.
I diagree on the final conlcusion. The scourge is the perfect weapon to battle the burning legion.
Its biggest strength is that demons dont die when destroyed they just go back to argus and reincarnate. The scourge can not only truly kill a demon by absorbing or shackling its soul once the body is destroyed, but by turning the very body into scourge, pitting the legions armies against itself, so while the legions ranks deplete, the scourge grows.
Furter one if the biggest weapons the legion has is that its soldiers deem themselves immortal, once they know they can die they are a lot less...eager to fight, also manipulation tactics and fear dont work against the undead. You also forget about saronite armor - the legions best can wear it, making them IMMUNE to magic, mind control and highly resistant to physical damage.
Nerzuhl was sure the scourge can take on the Burning Legion and it was establised in WC3 that indeed, the scourge could become powerfull enough to stop the legion and possily the old gods given, again, the old gods strongest tool is manpulation, fear and madness to which the scourge is immune. And good luck leeching life and light out of undead as well
This video is like a prophecy, Lordaeron fell but not to the hands of the Lich King, but to the hands of the Alliance. And Sylvannas did what you foretell, she refused to give up her city and bombed it turning it in a toxic waste land.
What if G.R.R. Martin wrote story for wow lol
There would be a lot more deaths
Please no
You should be talking. Damn starks won't stay dead and it's not for lack of trying.
We'd still be waiting for Burning Crusades to come out.
Half the leaders would be dead, and the other half would be people you hate.
woa woa woa Nobble would freak out!
hello everyone
Why ? because of the being wrong?
why does everyone keep commenting this on "what if" videos???
I mean, I watch Nobbel and stuff, but I don't get it :/
It's pretty interesting to hear your talk about how Sylvanas would use the plague to destroy Lordaeron after losing. Just like how things have play out in Battle for Azeroth.
Nixx predicted Sylvannis's salt two years in advance.
Illidan versus Arthas V.2. Maiev realizes the Scourge is just as bad as the legion returns and resorts to breaking Illidan's seals. Illidan faces Arthas once again as his demon hunters faces off against the death knights. Arthas would likely win but it would be bad ass.
I dunno man...the demon hunters are pretty powerful. Mind you Arthas' forces would out-number Illidan's. And Illidan and co are DEMON hunters, not undead hunters...:p
Im just waiting for the old gods to corrupt the Lich King. Theyve already corrupted everything else!!
lol "arthas would win but would still be badass" i agree
just imagine a full scourge planet vs the legion
+Jesse Perez That's true but while Arthas would have a whole planet full of undead, the Legion have multiple planets full of demons. The real question for me though, would be if Arthas could raise the slain demons as undead. If he could, that would be one hell of a defense he could put up!
If the Lich King had that many souls, then he would DEFINITELY be able to go 1v1 with Kiljeadan.
Brightest Light if he had more than enough then titan lol
With classic wrath here I would like to see them build a wrath plus where the lich king did win, or at least somehow escapes and reestablished himself. He is the villain of wow and keeping him alive would bring wow back to its roots.
this was made way before battle for Azeroth, but he managed to predict sylvanas rigging the undercity to blow and be flooded with the plague so cudos to him for that
Even if 25 people + Fordring were reanimated I don't think they would have taken that much ground, I guess it could be possible though remember we still have Thrall, Varian, Saurfang and various other greats. Plus Arthas would have had to deal with the Twilight and Deathwing. Personally I think it would be cool if we saw the return of the lich king (bolvar fordragon) not only come back but support us in the fight against the Legion this expac.Even so, great video, keep it up! :D
he does the dk become the lk's champions in legion
Don't forget that Bolvar would have been corrupted, Kel'Thuzad would've been brought back, but we do have Muradin, Falstad, and Moira :P.
Zulatobari Greatforge ah true
Arthas killed and raised Sapphiron of the blue dragonflight without effort and that was when he was weakened and still an agent of the lich king, I'm sure he would have wasted the Twilight and the rest of Deathwings dragonflight. Deathwing might have been an issue to kill though but he might have had some sort of alliance with Arthas considering they both had designs which involved destroying all life on Azeroth. Worst comes to worst the Scourge could have just killed DW using the plague or an army of Frost Wyrms.
Oh yea! Lets not forget that he'd prob. kill the Dragonflights after raising Galakrond! (Or whatever that HUUUUUUUUGE Protodrake was named who was buried near the Wyrmrest Temple!
Hmmm I kinda disagree with the idea that Arthas would lose from the Burning Legion. The player aka "Legendary defenders of Azeroth" has a very VERY specific plot point in the story of Azeroth. He is unbeatable. He is indominable. He is like the Superman of WoW. Jaina, Arthas, Tirion, Thrall... all are but peasants infront of the Player. When you consider the player, you consider him like a character with the highest PVP and PVE power and achievements. A Supreme gladiator with unrivaled 1v1 skills, an unmatched strategist and general with the rank of High Warlord only surpassed by the warchief himself, a defender and killer of Dragon Aspects, Old Gods, Demi Gods, Elemental Lords, Titan defenders and even Titans (Ra'den). It does not matter which side the Player picks. That side will ALWAYS win. The player started as a mere adventurer, someone who picked up his staff or sword for the heck of it and went out in the world. By trials and an insane amount of quests he became the absolute best for what he is. With unrivaled knowledge, experience and power. Travelling multiple worlds and continents. Faceing perils that even the leaders of factions would shiver against. The Lich King was the only smart person in the entire lore to figure this "Secret weapon" out. He knew that if he wanted to succeed against the Burning Legion and Azeroth he wanted those 20-40 super soldiers. With them on his side, he wouldn't lose. No matter what you throw at him. He knew that momentarally he was strong enough to kill them in a single strike but... eventually they would outclass him. That's why he intentionally let the Alliance and Horde get to icecrown. He could have beaten them any time he wanted, but that was not the point. The "player" was always the key. The player is currently strong enough to even destroy Sargeras and moving forward even the Void Lords which are beings higher in the power ranks than the Titans and Old Gods.
ANimouz uh no sarg looks at us funny and we die just saying and you obviously didnt see the part where he said the champions perished in the gas plus the champions wouldnt be thenselves they would be husks of what they used to be no longer the master strategists or pvp gladiators you described them as
The player was killed in one blow until they were raised :p
"Sounds good. Doesn't work"
Sylvanas would have already killed us, remember? LK would have to face the Legion alone and with no heroes to back him up. So in a way, Sylvanas would be the responsible for the Legion's victory.
ANimouz the lich king will fack legion easy
Makes sense. WoW's ultimate villain is the playerbase itself!
I would like to imagine that after the Lich King conquered Azeroth, he would find a way to invade other worlds to grow his undead army. After capturing so many worlds, Frostmourne would grow so powerful, that he may stand a chance against the Burning Legion.
What if Garrosh Hellscream had won?
What if Deathwing had won?
What if Kil'jaeden had been summoned (in sunwell plateau)?
If Deathwing won ? Nothing lol, everybody's dead
@@juliendauvel2741 Would have been Deathwing (and his Old God masters) vs the Legion.
What if hellacream win at ogrimmar?
Won*
What if the sentence you wrote didn't have typos in it? Would be great, wouldn't it?
+The Autistic Watermelon Yeah lol
World of Tentaclecraft
or they beat the legion? Only 1 person in legion is more powerful then the old gods, Sargareas and he cantm ake anyone so strong to beat old godmagic, so legion would crumble without Sargaeras destroying everyone alone.
Just saying, but did you just directly take Hellscreams idea? I mean he posted a video with the exact same concept like 4 days ago. It was also titled ''What if''. I dont mean to judge you but still, if you did atleast give the man some credit
Nah, I've been talking about this new What If video series idea for awhile now on my stream and to my friends. It's just a coincidence that Hellscream had a similar idea. Personally I've never seen any of his content before, but we did talk yesterday on my stream, and afterwords, about how we had the exact same idea and, funnilly enough, we both got the idea to do these from watching Star Wars CZcamsr's in our free time. Was good talking to him. Maybe him and I can do something together in the near future. :)
If you'd have read his previous comment, he stated he got the idea from watching star wars youtubers in his free time. No need to be getting all huffy puffy tryin to blow his house down. Chill
I'm also curious, did he also forget to factor in., pandaria? I'd love to see a second video where you factor in the other expansions.
+Alucard Pandaria would've never been discovered and garrosh would've died in northrend thus making alternate draenor never interfere with our time line. as for legion invading there's no one powerful enough to break the seal on the tomb of sageras without alternate draenor gul'dan and so with no one to create a portal for the legion to starting coming through the invasion wouldn't be possible
yes i was thinking the same thing
They did a bullshit alternative timeline expansion called WoD, they could totally do a "What if LK won?" Expansion!!! I think it is a terrific idea, all players Horde/Alliance would be united under one faction, THE SCOURGE and fight the LEGION. I think this is a much better expansion than the one we are getting soon... Holy
Only issue is that the Legion created the scourge, which means they have a pretty good chance of just taking over the scourge. Not to mention Sargarus, and Kil'jaden are insanely powerful.
Well, lets say the 25 heroes dont die, also, If Arthas conquers whole Azeroth he gets some other good heroes, with them He defeats the deathwing, who becomes his servant and/or Arthas gets corrupted by old gods, also conquering the world, he may have got so many souls that he became so strong that kil jaden cant overpower him anymore. With deathwing, old god magic and the champions of Azeroth, He would easly destroy the legion expect for Sargaeras who never ever even fckin comes.
Legion didnt create the Scourge, LK/Ner'zhul did as a plan to fuck over the annoying red crossdressing pony princess who put him in a block of ice under the pretense of serving them. Thats like 35% of the WC3 scourge campaign plot ffsf or did everyone forget that retcons dont work in media due to death of the author clause?
well they could have made an alternative timeline if the lich king had won
They could still do that - in any timeline which the Lich King won he would eventually consume the Bronze Dragon flight and begin to leverage their power to transcend timelines and universes the same way that the Legion via Sargeras does such. After all, the Bronze Dragon flight is destined to become tainted by the Old Gods inevitably regardless according to Nozdormu himself so long as he falls into madness at the thought of his own mortality.
Frankly, the best way to usurp that from happening is to curse him with undeath and put him under the Lich King [whichever version for that matter] since it will stop time from being ripped apart. A being of pure death, as the LK is, wouldn't want the inevitable march of time being disrupted so would, regardless of other desires, keep the time stream at least somewhat cogent.
Nah, Garrosh would just use his secret weapon and defeat the Scourge AT ONCE. Garrosh FTW. Praise to almighty Garrosh.
Heh, Grettings.
+NataliaNeeSama hello
Diogo Almeida Astonishing!
But the one true King is Stannis Baratheon?
As the alliance and horde forces are being pushed back to the shores of northrend the mannis's forces arrive and stannis shatters Frostmourne with Lightbringer and kills the lich king.
Nonono, Ulfric Stormcloak is the one true king
I always thought it was Aragorn II, son of Arathorn.
+Whatthehenk TRAITOR!
We know no king but the king in the north whose name is Snow.
If the lich king had won I wouldn't of had to grind invincible for a year and a half
How about... what if as the younger sibling Arthas was actually second in line for the throne instead of first, never felt that sort of pressure to prove himself, remained a paladin, Calia was the one who became a death knight, Arthas helps Jaina in sailing to Kalimdor with Lordaeron's exiles, DK Calia decides to get to the Sunwell by water instead of plowing through Silvermoon, Sylvanas remains ranger-general and Anasterian remains king, when Illidan gives Anasterian one of his vials of eternity, Anasterian uses it to make a new sunwell like Dath'remar had...
The Old Gods take over the planet because Arthas sets them free with the help of Deathwing, as a final efford to stop The Burning legion, and then there will be the biggest war ever: The Scourge and The Old Gods (including Deathwing) versus The Burning legion.
I think this alternate reality would be great for a WoW 2 :P
I think you're underestimating Deathwing.
All shall burn!
Arthas might ressurect Galakrond(or what he is called) in that case.
sighman Useless, Galakrond died choking on a rock for crying out loud. Just a big lizard compared to the world-busting Deathwing.
Preaplanes who is basically a smaller lizard.
sighman Which is made of 5 Titan blessings and Old God corruption. I think the smaller lizard wins.
Then world of warcraft would be fun.
ikr
Yup
So edgy xD
true.
Pretty fun right now
So Nixxiom officially predicted BFA with that Undercuty plague bomb
0:14 You got it right. There are 25 RANDOM heroes and ONLY ONE Lich King :)
That would be interesting, maybe an idea for a next expansion, where we do not defeat the last boss, (kinda like KJ in sunwell, but that doesn't end as a "tie" lol) we get crushed and struggle to defend azeroth (legion plot maybe?), we as adventurers are winning battles 11-12 years straight lol i feel it's time for a loss!
what about the old gods? surely at some point in this timeline they would be free since with the death of the horde/alliance/etc. there woul be nobody left to keep them from freeing themselves just imagine how amazing the battle between the legion and old gods would be
the old gods were mainly a issue because of the planet was filled with mortals. those under the lich king's control were all but immune to the effects of old god whispers, the nightmare, and just about everything else. so the main power of the old gods would be nothing against the scourge. deathwing would fall against the other four aspects after being reanimated and the power of the scourge. would be one hell of a fight though.
+The Mirage Well remember how he wanted to reanimate galakrond into a giant and the most powerful frost wyrm? took 5 and also alot more combined forces of the dragonflights to bring down gala. imagine only one vs an empowered galakrond as frost wyrm. correct me if im wrong but i think this is why arthas set off his agents to reanimate galakrond. as the main weapon vs deathwing and also other dragonflights. and as for the old gods? he witnesed how these 25 heroes brought down yogg saron. imagine 25 empowered. the remaining old god influences would be not much of a problem. i think the lich king had a big plan under sleeve if he succeeded in claiming these 25 heroes for himself. including tirion and after him bolvar. after it tho.. another plan i believe would be made to withstand the legion. but just think all the lives he would empower after death: thrall, tyrande, garrosh, varian, vol'jin, malfurion and also discovering what lies beneath the broken isles as he would seek ways to defend and/or defeat or pushback the legion and every contact it has with azeroth. the lich king i believe had it all planned. but he couldnt predict the future in the way that tirion would manage to break free and shatter frostmourne in a single blow.
+ceiferthegamer Cant they just escape arthas? lets say.. refuge at caverns of time? after all arthas already had chosen his mightiest frost wyrm after sindragosa. galakrond.
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the bronze would not let them near the cavern. they will protect it above all. to the point were they would likely abandon everyone else and bury the cavern. the old gods also cant go there since they are trapped. the cathraxi maybe but they would have a hard time getting past the bronze and maybe even the infinites. the infinites may have been made by the old gods, maybe, but they dont serve them so they may help the bronze fight against a common foe.
+ceiferthegamer Indeed. though since we are "what if"-ing then i supposed desperate times would require desperate measures to survive and convince them. but since caverns is a no go for certain then the tolviron at uldum. or maybe an accidental rediscovery of pandaria as was accidentally rediscovered and seek refuge there. just any means to go as far from northrend and eastern kingdoms as possible.
I agree, we need an expansion where we lose- but it's still a good ending. Blizz tried to make it sound like the Iron Horde was going to win the whole expansion but we knew the whole time we would come up as the victors.
Pretty sure that after he conquered Azeroth or while he was at it, one of his projects would have been how to make undead from demons, and research ways to make Frostmourne able to gobble up the slippery souls of demons.
Just watced the "what if Arthas never purged stratholme" made by Hellscream
I loved both videos though
The lick king have won and start to take over the world, his true love Jaina will try to get an alliance and eventually they found a titan artifact that can turn Arthas back to human, there we have Starcraft 2 Wings of Liberty XD
Linus Ji the lick king is arfus Not arthas
Elijah Bartl wtf
*T H E L I C K K I N G*
there must always be... *A LICK KING!*
Fah fes, fe floriose lick king
I was sceptical about this vid but it was actually really cool idea and well thought out. I especially liked the of Sylvanas rigging the Undercity and can definitely see her doing it
I think you have to factor Deathwing and the aspects into everything before the Legion returns. Instead of rushing through this video and making cuts you could've made it a 2 or even 3 part series. Would've been worth it. Great imagination regardless.
then I would have sided with him and the game would have probably been more fun.
I would love to be his apprentice to sit on his icy wet Popsicle 😏😏😏😏😏😏
+TheGamingToro if you're a death knight in legion you become the new lich kings champion
Yeah, some shitty Bolvar though, Arthas was the true lich king.
Why do I feel arouse now 😐😐
Dumb ass bolvar, I miss arthas
You should make: What if Deathwing won and what if Garrosh Hellscream had won.
Ive made it my mission to turn Skyrim into Warcraft and have The Lich King rule over the frozen plains there.
You forgot the part where survivors would organize a mass exodus to Outland and do everything in their power to seal off the portals.
This is all wrong. Leeroy Jenkins would've raided Arthus's frostmourne and slay him with it.
Tommi Djur Leeroy during WOTLK: “Alright, chums. It’s back to this- LEEERRRRROOOOOY JEEEENKINSSSSSS”
What are you talking about he would wipe his entire party for chicken!
@@Jahades true
Here's a much more intriguing subject that nerfy fanfiction writers such as myself would probably enjoy: "What if all of the expansions happened at the same time?"
Arthas would help with the Burning legion, People would keep getting Outland and Dranor confused. And Deathwing would be killing whatever he saw demon or otherwise. And the whole time all the brave adventurers would be playing pokemon go on pandara
*dwarf voice* We're fucked!
+Aronson1000 Ahahahaha!
+Aronson1000 would this include the time when the Gates of Ahn'Qiraj opened up? Cuz damn...Azeroth is COMPLETELY screwed O_O
Holy shit. Burning legion vs Old gods
You should do a What if frostmourne never corrupted arthas. Where he goes to northrend and kills mal'ganis but doesn't get influenced by frostmourne and doesn't become a deth knight but instead abandons frostmourne after the deed is done.
I LOVE how you think! I play a LOT of MMOs and RPGs and of the ones I've played, not a single one ever had us beaten in the end; the players, the adventurers just win. Probably why I like Day Z lol. We always win somehow, eh? It's getting old. I welcome losing and yes it would TOTALLY make me climb the fucking walls for the next expansion even at least to see what happens next! Cliffhangers are a good thing now in MMOs, if they dare to try. If you win at the end of every expansion over and over, why would you want to keep buying expansions? You can just search CZcams for the endings now. Blizzard has nothing to lose really if they go that route. They're pretty well established with WoW and their other games.
You have a very good idea there in having us lose, even if it's just once. No MMO I know of has ever done it before, and I want that. I know I'd be pissed as hell in an all losing ending, but I'd also have fun getting my ass totally beat for once. I play the games I play long term because of the immersion genius of a well written story, and I throw money at it because I have somewhat of an emotional investment in it. Losing would DEFINITELY immerse me even more. omg! lol and spend more money on it! I'd be screaming like the Markiplier's songify at the end of that "Space is so Cool" video with nothing but F bombs in pure nerd rage. I'm talking nerd rage to the extreme! Despite that, I would be committed to buying the next xpac, pawn all my shit if I had to just to see what happens next.
Losing the final battle just makes it all more real because irl, we do lose and some of us lose everything. Real heroes mostly do lose everything. There is no glory in being a hero, but there is in redemption. I can speak to that as a soldier myself irl and as a survivor of hurricane Irene, Superstorm Sandy and 911 back when I lived in NJ and worked in Lower Manhattan in 2001. I was livid with the company I worked with back then because they decided to bury how many of our security personnel died in those attacks saving us and later got myself fired because of how outspoken I was about it. Bullshit. For me, having this chance at losing appeals to me because in a twisted way it brings me peace. Probably because it's just a game, but still in games I feel like I have control unlike all those past life events. I have since moved from NJ to NC and today to Texas to find my ground and it's holding. In my free time games have helped me blow off steam to where I was able to rebuild my life. My life had been destroyed so many times. I can't thank gaming enough for helping me keep my sanity.
I forgot to add. Our human nature drives us to work for a win after a horrible loss. I know this from life experience. Works in MMOs too. I know this from game experience and I get really bored of winning every expac. Thank you everyone who took the time to read my long post.
Reading this 2 years later... Turns out the "Lich King" did win lmao.
Arthas would likely use the Book of Medivh and the knowledge of those he converted to completely lock down any major crack that the Legion could enter from. The Tomb of Sargeras would certainly be heavily attended.
With the entire world a singular force of Undead, it would be very difficult for a character like Gul'dan (powerful enough to be instrumental in ushering the Legion, and sneaky enough to evade an entire world looking for someone like them) to open a gateway for the Legion.
Azeroth would effectively be in hyper lock-down while Arthas likely researched and prepared his forces for defensive measures and/or a counter-attack against the impending Legion.
No one but Kil'Jaeden and Aegwynn knew there was still power to be found in the Tomb of Sargeras. And the Legion's agents are exceptional in the arts of stealth and subterfuge when they need to be.
Considering he would have all the resources of the world at his disposal, I am sure the Lich King would be able to determine likely entry points/weaknesses.
The Legion's agents are exceptional in the arts of stealth and subterfuge, but how precisely does the Legion seed an agent in a world where everyone is already controlled and/or mindless and cannot/does not use Fel magic?
Not to mention the necessary power to bring the Legion into the world, especially without mortal assistance from Azeroth's side, would be massive, meaning as soon as it began the Scourge would likely be aware and mobilized to close it off.
I'm not saying the Lich King would overcome the Legion, but the Legion would have a much harder time ever accessing Azeroth under complete Scourge rule than under free rule.
Both the naga (which helped the traps in the Tomb finish off Gul'dan) and the orc remains around the isles would know there is power in the tomb, aka easy undead fodder soon to be part of the scourge would transfer that knowledge over to LK.
The thing is, Nixx, a thing you don't account for is the fact that... before reaching the Lich King, the Heroes basically went and destroyed the most important necropolis -- Naxxramas can be counted as no longer functional after the heroes went in and then got out. They also destroyed some very important things in Ice Crown ; the leader of the cult of the damned, the door keeper of Ice Crown, They killed Sindragosa, killed sister Svalna, and they went in and we can assume they absolutely trashed Putricide's laboratory, as well as kill every non-argent crusade soldier in the citadel.
Yes, in return the Lich King gets Tyrion and the twenty five heroes (or was it fourty back then? I didn't re watch the video and I can't remember for the life of me), but the Lich king essentially lost a lot ; You can say he can always raise them back, but if we're doing this IC, I'm rather sure the Heroes burned the remains, or just mashed them until it would be physically impossible to animate it into anything coherent. Sindragosa's bones were probably shattered, dusted, turned into glue and scattered around the citadel in particles so thin they wouldn't be found even if they weren't blown away by the wind.
And that's not counting the other player characters ''heroes'', outside. Not numbering them by the million, of course, but at least making them a meaningful impact. Once the first heroes, who are supposedly fatigued from all the fighting before the Lich King's fight, fall, you better believe the Argent Crusade would have had another 40man party waiting to go in, and then another, and then another. Of course, the Lich King can raise the first 40man group and have these overgeared sons of bitches fight some less overgeared sons of bitches, getting a stronger army every time, but what would happen is that overtime HE would get worn down, despite his army growing. And from there...
Actually, screw that. Just grab a bunch of ships and destroy the throne zone with them. Sindragosa's dead, so most dragons are gonna be gone as well anyway.
TLDR: Not that simple
Don't forget he'd raise Galakrond the father of dragons, probably ensuring his victory much faster. Also, I feel that if the Legion invaded they might offer him to join them, and then he'd spread Undeath across the stars...
Holy shit 1st and good video Nixxiom
2nd troll here just got kicked out of trade
Imagine if he allowed humans to live to reproduce and train as paladins. Then he could just harvest them.
In the Chronicle Volume 3 it's stated that if Scourge had complete control over Azeroth, then the Burning Legion would never defeat them. Or at least, that was what Kil'jaedan was thinking, but he was arguable the most brilliant mind in the Burning Legion.
I have an idea for an alternative story! According to the writings of christie golden, the tauren participated in two dreams of arthas, perceiving that great power was in place in those precise circumstances. The first dream was during the previous night the conquest of the frostmourne, in which he saw his horse pierced with a runic sword and he, instead of blowing his last breath, came back to life. The second dream was when he was reuniting with the king of the litches after putting on his armor, in which he fought a sort of inner battle with two other entities: ner'zhul and the pure and good part of himself. Here ... what would have happened if in the last dream the Taurens, as well as simply participating in the dream, had intervened so that winning the internal battle would be the good part of arthas? That is, having an Arthas king of litches under the command of the scourge, free from corruption and control of the legion?
Really wish there was more to the story of Jaina Proudmoore an Arthas/Lich King
I've always been curious about Arthas if he had killed both himself as a little boy and ner'zhul's soul inside of frostmourne wouldn't Arthas soul be stuck inside of the frostmourne even though we killed him an Bolvar now wears the helm of domination an frostmourne
Arthas' soul was already taken once he claimed the runeblade. I think it was said in Warcraft 3 by Tichondrius
and once frostmourne was destroyed, Arthas's soul was released and that was when the real arthas was back and died
Uh...dude it was the SAME Story as in WC3 just with some BG Information. o.O Whats your Problem. It ends like it should and sets up WotLk.
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If i recall, Arthas the Death Knight as a soulless being used Arthas the Paladin's personality as a base template, with the morality dialed to "evil". As a result, several little aspects of the old Arthas lingered so that Death Knight Arthas wouldn't just be a mindless zombie, resulting in his tendency to say sarcastic quips throughout the WC3 campaigns and his rage fit in the book when Kael counter-taunted him about Jaina. So while Arthas may have had his soul taken by Frostmourne, in his place was what was essentially and evil clone occupying his body, which kind of did develop his own traces of an identity.
@@joshuakim5240 Yeahh thats sort of what i meant in a way. The 'evil' in him is gone after Frostmourne was destroyed
Hellscream just made a video about "alternate wow"
good for him
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It's just a coincidence; I put this video out 3 days ago. It takes days to do the research not to mention writing the script and then actually recording the audio and editing down the content. It's just witchcraft that both he and I put out the similar type of video in the same week
+Hellscream thx for being a good person and clarifying
Hellscream You're a good man
Well the Champions being defeated and the Scourge regaining strength could be a starting scenario of Warcraft 4.
If I remember correctly, years ago Blizzard stated, that they view WoW as an alternate universe and if they'd make WC4, they'd orientate themselves solely on the ending of WC3.
Just wanted to point some things you forgot about the Lich King:
- He was weakened at the fight in the Frozen Throne because Tirion and Darion destroyed Arthas's heart, and he still managed to kill us at the end. Maybe with time, and a lot of stolen souls, this weakened state would be vanished.
- He had used all his armies just to test if we were actually the strongest champions of azeroth and THEN he would raise us over, that was his master plan.
- Putricide's plague was capable of destroying all life on Azeroth, much like the one Sylvanas used minus the destruction of undead. So the Lich King could've used his powers to simply raise Putricide back and make him continue his work.
- It is confirmed by the Death Knight's order hall campaign that Demons CAN be raised and used to make abominations.
- The Lich King would've foresaw the Legion's return and would've prepared for the incoming invasion.
What if Illidna had dodged that attack from arthas, allowing him to defeat the fallen prince ?
That... would have been very bad.
What makes you say that?
+Flopshel John because there wouldnt be lihking and wow would never be populr
cause Illidan was under the service of legion at that time, if he would win, legion would reward him and kael'thas as well as the nagas instead of being forced to fight them in the outland. that would mean a clear victory for kil'jaden over azeroth since lich king was a major threat to legion at the time.
No chance for Illidan to win even if he has been avoided that attack from Arthas because Arthas has been empowered with almost all the power of the Lich King
Looks like Blizzard watched this video before making the BfL event. 8:45
Here's an interesting "what if?" for you.
What if WotLK did end with us losing (a failure at the end of the expac, like Nixxiom suggested), and the Scourge became a 3rd faction? Players could've chosen to be evil, and still have to deal with Deathwing coming back.
The Horde and Ally would have to deal with the Scourge, and Deathwing at the same time.
Personally, I fucking love the idea of them adding a 3rd faction that are unquestionably bad guys.
A scourge faction would be perfect. They could have a Lich, Val'kyr, deathknight (obviously), and some other classes specific to that faction.
Just some interesting ideas...
Also if things went in this direction, their last fatal mistake would be ignoring Sylvannas' recommendation of using the plague. It would really be their LAST chance. Truly crazy shit. Amazing.
Actually I'd love for there to be that sort of version of WoW where a villain (the Lich King in this case) won and the Legion invaded. And instead of Horde and Alliance factions, there's Scourge and Legion factions.
Or maybe even a Warcraft RTS game of alternate possibilities?
+Bernardo Apv that would be awesome and I prefer the RTS but someone has got to make that!
Don't forget Deathwing, he would be another problem lol.
Deathsworn Plays EVEN BETTER THEN! SCOURGE VS OLD GODS!
Or maybe they'd ally?
I bet they would to get rid of Deathwing since he wants to blow up Azeroth. xD
This is SO much more epic than current WoW
True
More epic than being the last standing planet in a battle against an infinite enemy? If you say so.
+Dana Black Yes actually.It would be more fun because of the twist
there is no fun in a pointless battle that will surely end in a defeat against the legion....
+Jody Boles But until the arrival of the Legion it would be an epic battle for survival as death itself comes to claim the land
Lmao I love that this video basically called Sylvannus rigging Lordaeron to be filled with the gas >w>
Deathwing was literally waiting until there was nothing on Azeroth that could stop him before emerging. He wanted to ensure that when he did return it was in a climate that was most favorable to his victory. Azeroth's defenders weakened, the elemental lords dead or allied with him, and the Lich King destroyed. So, with the Scourge dominating Azeroth and the Legion following up, it's possible Deathwing would never actually make an attempt to attack.