Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers - What's the Difference?
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- Welcome to part 2 of our 3-part trek across Middle-earth! The Fellowship splits into two parts but Peter Jackson's film tells them both very differently than JRR Tolkien's book. With no restraint on spoilers it's time to ask (in the common tongue of course) What's the Difference?
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Boromir's death was included in FOTR because Sean Bean is not allowed to survive a movie.
Mr. Meseeks Did you see Troy or National Treasure?
Percy Jackson and the Olympians: The Lightning Thief, we could go on all day.
also ever so slightly in phone boot
Little late here but.. there’s also Jupiter Ascending to mention. Seems likes Sean bean has a better chance of surviving in bad movies over good ones >.>
a good movie*
I always felt like movie Faramir wanted the Ring not for its own sake, but because he wanted his father to like him so badly
TheBfutgreg Another thing changed in the movie, his father doesn't hate his guts as much in the book, Boromir only wanted the ring because he thought it was a magical weapon essentially
TheBfutgreg That's why I prefer the extended cut of The Two Towers. His flashback with Boromir develops his character and makes him more likeable.
To a degree the same happens in the book.
Also book Faramir was the reason Boromir went to the Council of Elrond. Faramir had a prophecy and Denethor was book-learned enough to know what his vision meant, but sent Boromir instead because he thought Faramir's love of lore meant he was not as brave or strong as his brother.
TheBfutgreg - The Ring twists peoples' and other creatures' desires. Sometimes it tricks them to take it with the desire to do good as Gandalf says, but then gradually puts them in Sauron's influence. That is why Gandalf is afraid to take it in the Fellowship of the Ring. So yes it shows Faramir that his father may like him if he takes it because that is what Faramir wants.
Its a shame they aren't doing the extended cut of these movies. After you watch the extended version its hard to watch the original.
MrHockeymonster13 -same with the hobbit movies
MrHockeymonster13 The extended versions have fucked pacing that ruins the tension.
Like the books then... It's not a rollercoster. It's an epic adventure. No one ever said "All that Jesus shit ruined the pacing of Ben Hur"...
I actually hate the extended editions, there is a lot in the two towers one that really should be cut, The extended are almost further from the books in a lot of ways
Watching the xtended version turns it from a movie to something of a visual book.
If Hollywood ever tries to Redo The Lord of The Rings in a green room.
I will set myself on fire.
Ángel Melendez a animated film would be great
Ángel Melendez I'll join you
I'd try to blow myself up with dynamite if they redid the lord of the rings, in a green room, with George lucas directing #hellonagreenscreen
You have my sword.
My bow
One minor point: in the book, after Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli are reunited with Gandalf in Fangorn, Gandalf actually tells them that the spectral-like old man figure they saw during the night was NOT him. We are left to presume it actually was Saruman (or at least an apparition produced by him), but it is never quite explained (which is actually part of the beauty of Tolkien - he leaves mystery and unknown).
At this point Gandalf does not realize who he is, even Aragorn has to remind him Gandalf was his name
SantomPh I know that's what I was thinking. Maybe it's him just coming to grips with being in the mortal realm again and he didn't realize it!!
What makes this more weird is that Aragon states the horses that the old man sends away didn't go out of fear. But that they were called to go someplace. So you're lead to believe it was Gandalf but Gandalf says it wasn't him haha. it a really head scratch of a scene
pyropulse I'm sorry have you ever died and been resurrected before, I imagine it would be quite possible to forget who you are momentarily afterwards.
Qarcon They sensed the presence of Shadowfax and went to him.
I'm glad Faramir is getting some spotlight here. So many movie watchers saying "Faramir was weak willed just like his brother". Faramir was one of the noblest humans in middle earth and was never corrupted by its mere sight, unlike all those other men. He even says that he would never pick up the ring even if he found it lying on the road as he believes that nothing good can come out of accepting something that the enemy offers. Book Faramir was a powerhouse of will.
@xellossaxon I don't think anyone other than Tom bombadil is immune to the ring. Some with stronger wills might be able to resist it, but given time it will corrupt just about anyone.
@xellossaxon In the book, with the exception of Tom Bombadil, no-one's shown to be immune to the lure of the Ring. The difference lies in how easily they resist the temptation. Faramir is tempted near the end of chapter 5 of book IV, The Window On The West (p.665 of the 1996 HarperCollins single volume edition):
"[...]And here in the wild I have you: two halflings, and a host of men at my call, and the Ring of Rings. A pretty stroke of fortune! A chance for Faramir, Captain of Gondor, to show his quality! Ha!"
@@rmsgrey No, he is being using sarcasm ironically to show how others who are less honorable might look at the situation. There wasn't the slightest indication that he actually felt or even thought about behaving that way. Taking Frodo captive and dragging him back towards Osgilioth ruined that part of the movie for me.
@@rmsgrey No, he is being using sarcasm ironically to show how others who are less honorable might look at the situation. There wasn't the slightest indication that he actually felt or even thought about behaving that way. Taking Frodo captive and dragging him back towards Osgilioth ruined that part of the movie for me.
@@boba4 Yes, you can read the text as his not even being tempted and merely pretending in order to frighten his guests (which seems less than honorable). On the other hand, it's not the first time we've seen people talking about the possibility of claiming the Ring for themselves - Galadriel later described it as a test that she passed; Boromir then attempted to turn his words into deeds.
That Faramir could resist the temptation, as Sam says later, shows his quality. That Faramir could discover the Ring within his grasp, express his awareness of that fact, and not feel even a moment's temptation to seize that opportunity contradicts all we know about the Ring, and would be bad writing to boot.
Uhm, you guys seem to have completely failed to understand the movie XD
Aragorn never once spoke to Arwen in the movie, it is made really clear that those are FLASHBACKS!
She does not talk to him when he is lying by the river and she DOES NOT SEND HIM A HORSE. The horse found him on it's own, because well, you are talking about the short version of the movie, so the scene where Aragorn befriends the horse is left out
They should've done "Books vs Extended Movies". I was also shocked that they thought the horse came from Arwen rather than because Aragorn and the horse bonded earlier.
@@a.s.7936 LOTR movies aren't very pronounced.
They are more like a dream.
The part with the Ent running to the water with its head on fire has always been one of my favorite random moments from the whole movie trilogy.
I loved how in the movie The Tree Ents(is that right??) where talking for what seemed like 3 days and then Treebeard lets Merry and Pipin know that they have decided that Merry and Pipin are NOT Orcs,haha!!That was best part in the movie because it made us the audience just go "WTF!!??" AND it gave us a great laugh too.
Of course that didn't happen, but it's true that Treebeard didn't know what Hobbits were at first. When he consulted (from memory) his "song" of the races they weren't on it and he had to add a verse later.
They didn't mention this but the humour they added about Dwarves not being long distance runners but sprinters completely contradicts Middle Earth lore. Dwarves are known for their ability to run for days on end only to immediately fight a battle. It's only a small change but, to me, that makes its inclusion all the more baffling.
I think it could just be (in the movies) a simple complaint from Gimli. After all, dwarves are descripted as rather cranky
Samantha Bayley i picture dwarves, though bad with regards to sprinting, as being able to keep a steady pace for a long time.
In the Hobbit Thorin begs the raven to get Dain Ironfoot to get to Erebor as quick as possible, which they do in over a day, just as the Elves and Men appear. Given that the normal distance is 3 days march, this is phenomenal.
Dwarves are also well prepared for long journeys, Gimli is the only member of the Fellowship to wear full armor, a big axe, a helmet and a backpack.
Dwarves don't run but can outlast most races on long journeys because of this. It did not seem to take long for all 7 Houses to gather for the War of Dwarves and Orcs.
This has always bothered me ever since I first watched the movie. For me it always made sense that dwarves were good at cross country running, and in a game I played as a kid a dwarf always had the best conditioning. On the other hand it didn't make sense to me at all why dwarves would be good at sprinting since their legs are shorter.
As years go by, I'm starting to like "the two towers" more and more. It was horrifyingly hard to adapt since is the middle of the trilogy. I love the pacing of the film, the chronological narrative and how Peter Jackson managed to tie the first and the last films and characters through this second film. Arwen doesn't appear in the book and is genius how they managed to find a resolution through dreams and visions. That scene where Elrond has a vision of Aragorn's death and we see Arwen at his tomb, Aragorn turning into a stone effigy, Minas Tirith in the background...that is, hands down, the most sublime scene in the trilogy
Tudor Munteanu It's endlessly captivating. Amazing atmosphere in that scene!
I totally agree wiith you. I used to hate The Two Towers, but when I read the book and I realized that it's one of the best most superb pieces of literature ever written I feel nothing but respect for Jackson's adaptation, because having that extremely difficult task of adapting the book, that nobody (not even Kubrick had the balls for adapting The Lord of the rings) could nail, he made a good movie with wonderful scenes in it, like the one you just mentioned.
The Two Towers is the best of the three books, by some considerable distance considering Fellowship is just plain boring {seriously twice I've given up on that book around page 100, the only time I did manage to get all the way through it I finished the trilogy.} and RotK is the biggest anticlimax ever!
Now when it comes to the films yes Two Towers had by far the hardest job and I'd say it did it decently but it's not the best film...That goes to Fellowship.
RotK meanwhile got all the awards but is easily the weakest of the 3 films. Because 1) It has the same issue as the book - Being a massive anticlimax and 2) I absolutely hate that we didn't get the scouring of the shire!
Still when I say "weakest of the three films" that doesn't mean I don't consider it a good film, just that it's not AS good as the other two.
I think it's permanently hobbled by how the Rohirrim just are not very compelling. They're land vikings, yay. Whatever. Both the book and the movie have this problem. There's nothing INHERENTLY interesting or plot-vital about Rohan, it's basically just an innocent bystander that needs saving along the way. Even the main characters are aware it's largely a distraction meant to keep up the illusion that Aragorn is marching to war against Sauron.
At least the movie -wisely, I think- made Saruman a more prominent character and a firm secondary antagonist, so film audiences at least have more reason to want to see his ass kicked. But even then, delaying his comeuppance to the start of ROTK was another questionable move.
Nothing inherently interesting? The fuck you're talking about! Rohan salvation is vital to the story because they are the first man culture at the brink of destruction . They are hopeless, they are a fading culture without heir and an old king who's giving up to the sorrow of losing his only child. Their salvation is the ray of hope for men, and the fact that Gimli, Aragorn and Legolas are there fighting side by side makes them realize that the fight's not over as long as they stand together, they still have a chance. Without this crucial development the battle of pelennor would have carried no weight, nor depth. Something I didn't like about the movie it's that it spited this in your face while the book it's really subtle and poetic with this.
One has two spikes and a giant flaming eye on top of it and the other one has four spikes and no flaming eye on top of it.
did u watch the video
It is called a "joke"
Underrated comment! :)
Gandalf denies later in the book that the shadowy old man was him, so we are lead to believe it was in fact Saruman. How carefully were you guys reading????
In Two Towers he says it's not him.
Led*
They didn’t just miss that, they really put no effort into reading it, or thoroughly lacked comprehension of the events... 5 or so similar errors throughout the first 5 mins.
I think it was Radagast
It was Radagast
Actually false on your point about treebeard knowing about the hobbits in the book. He actually didn't know about hobbits as he did in the movies, he even added them to his song of all the races he knew of the world at his own chapter. It even starts with the main four races until he changes it when he learns about the hobbits existence. "Learn now the lore of Living Creatures!
First name the four, the free peoples:
Eldest of all, the elf-children;
Dwarf the delver, dark are his houses;
Ent the earthborn, old as mountains;
Man the mortal, master of horses:
Hm, hm, hm.
Beaver the builder, buck the leaper,
Bear bee-hunter, boar the fighter;
Hound is hungry, hare is fearful"
thing Merry or Pippin suggested the line "Half-Grown Hobbits, hole dwellers"
treebeard changes the line they suggested anyway after sarumans parlay: “‘I have put their names into the Long List. Ents will remember it.
ents the earthborn, old as mountains,/ the wide walkers, water drinking;/ and hungry as hunters, the Hobbit children,/ the laughing folk, the little people,’”
The Legolas & Gimli bromance was the best thing about these movies.
Ike As good as it was in the films, it was even better in the books!
yes it is a bit more expanded upon in the books.
I absolutely LOVE the bromance! It's clear how much they care about each other, even sharing likes and dislikes. For example, Gimli saying how beautiful the caves at Helm's Deep with deep passion and how his people would pay gold just to see it while Legolas said he'd be willing to pay gold to escape if he ever ends up in it. Also, how Legolas is fascinated with the mysterious trees and the Ents, even turning back when they were heading to Isengard while Gimli begged him not to.
agl + the wizard formely known as gandalf
Ha ha:)
Aglo
Aglm
Aglg
Eowyn is one of my favorite characters that Tolkien ever wrote. And like so many you got her all wrong. You must've breezed over the Eowyn passages in The King of the Golden Hall without really paying attention. "She said to be pretty and people seem to like her" really? Let's refer to the source text.
"The woman turned and went slowly into the house. As she passed the doors she turned and looked back. Grave and thoughtful was her glance as she looked on the king with cool pity in her eyes. Very fair was her face, and her long hair was like a river of gold. Slender and tall she was in her white robe girt with silver; but strong she seemed and stern as steel, a daughter of kings."
"'I said not Eomer,' answered Hama. 'And he is not the last. There is Eowyn, daughter of Eomund, his sister. She is fearless and high-hearted. All love her. Let her be as lord to the Eorlingas, while we are gone.'"
All you get from that is she's pretty and everyone likes her? Seriously?
Also, she isn't left with her people in Edoras defenseless. She is given a sword and armor and told to lead them to Dunharrow which will be the fall back point if the battle goes ill.
She really shines in Return of the King, but even here she is set up as a queenly woman and shield maiden of Rohan. Read more carefully.
Thank you! That bothered me too.
Thank you! They've cut actual research to do stupid Clinton jokes, which made them look pretty dumb.
Tolkien's Éowyn suffers from his natural fear of writing women, I think. There's a reason Middle-Earth is a bit of a sausage party, and it's that Tolkien's attitudes were basically Victorian: he adored his wife, but he pretty much saw them as a different species and didn't feel confident writing female characters. It shows in the fact she has very little space on the pages, only appearing a tiny bit before the men march off to Helm's Deep, then again in "The Passing of the Grey Company". Then she rides to battle in Gondor, is healed by Aragorn and then promptly forgotten about until Tolkien remembers he needs to wrap up her story arc and makes her fall in love with Faramir.
The Clinton joke was hilarious and totally unexpected which made it even better!
Hobbyist Contrarian we might remember that Tolkien gained his professorship by becoming an expert on Beowulf, where the main villain is a woman and the only notable woman character is a victim.
Literally just finished watching The Two Towers with the cast commentary. Love this movie so much.
There's a LOT more differences.. I'll just rant a bit.
The Battle of Helm's Deep is actually depicted pretty much as in the books, *_EXCEPT:_*
*#1* No goddamn Elves of course, Legolas only makes a comment as to how much he'd like to have some Elven archers from the Woodland Realm (his home).
*#2* There's _3,000+_ Rohirrim inside(!!), the 1,000 local garrison + 2,000 royal levies from the environs of Edoras. *_NOT_* just a couple hundred, that's silly. There are a lot of old guys and kids fighting - but that's only among the aforementioned 1,000-man garrison, who are the leftovers of the local forces.
Erkenbrand, the lord of Helm's Deep, is out with the main local force (consisting of 2,000 riders) - and will return at dawn, saving the day.
*#3* Saruman's army is 10,000 in the movie, but _17,000_ in the book (which is just unbelievably huge). Aside from 10,000 Uruk-Hai, there's also 5,000 ordinary Orcs, and 2,000 Men. The Men were "Dunlendings", who were chased off their land by the Rohirrim a long time ago.
*#4* Before retreating to the actual fortress and wall, the defenders try to hold a forward defensive dyke for a while. They're successful in that they kill a lot of orcs there and slow their advance. They make it back ok.
*#5* Completely-non-banished Eomer is _INSIDE_ helm's deep developing a bromance with Aragorn as they defend the place (they'll both be kings later so that's pretty important).
You can't really "banish" Eomer at all, he's Theoden's heir and the most important noble of Rohan. Also where would he go?? And why would anyone let him take a massive cavalry force with him?? Don't those people have families, or land? Are they "banished" too...?? :P
*#6* The Deeping Wall doesn't actually get blown up entirely.. gunpowder is only used to widen the small tunnel for the stream. Then the Orcs rush through.
*#7* Gimli gets separated from the rest of the crew and kicks ass in the fighting retreat deeper into the valley. He doesn't manage to get back to the castle (the Hornburg), and doesn't blow any horn. In fact there is no huge horn built into the castle.
*#8* As they mentioned, Erkenbrand, the actual lord of Helm's Deep, is the one who brings those 2,000 riders at dawn, and saves the day with Gandalf's help.
The whole trees thing at Helm's Deep is actually present in the extended version (the "trees" aren't proper trees but Ents who became very tree-like over the centuries, known as "Huorns"). Treebeard sent them at the request of Gandalf, who managed to quickly ride over to Isengard with his supersonic horse. Treebeard was there as Isengard had already been smashed by the Ents.
dIRECT0R I've got the book close, so I've got two corrections- First, the size of the hole blown in the wall is debatable, but "The waters of the Deeping-stream poured out hissing and foaming: they were choked no longer, a gaping hole was blasted in the wall." sounds to me like the explosion in the movie. Second, horns are mentioned multiple times near the end of the battle, in particular "And then, sudden and terrible, from the tower above, the sound of the great horn of Helm rang out." So Gimli doesn't blow it, but someone does. Erkenbrand also blows a horn when he charges in.
Now that I've skimmed through the book again a realize a need to read them again. Such fantastic story telling.
Nowhere is it implied that a whole section of the wall is blown up. Just that the barricade of the culvert was blown away with gunpowder. Sure, an explosion was there, but it didn't blast away the whole wall top to bottom. I forgot to mention above that the Deeping Wall isn't actually constructed from stone blocks (like those that fly off in the movie explosion), but was cut from the "living" rock itself.. by ancient Gondor, if I recall.
I never said there weren't any horns blown, my point(s) were merely that Gimli wasn't in the castle, that he didn't blow any horns, and that there was no massive horn actually built into the structure of the castle. They blow ordinary horns, as in, animal horns.
Jackson probably felt a castle called "the hornburg" should have a horn _actually built into it_ somehow :D
To be honest I find the ending of the Battle of Helm's Deep kind of strained my suspension of disbelief in terms of "realism". Not that I mind it much, but Saruman's army was just far too huge to just disintegrate after a foray from the castle and a charge of 2,000 riders... also where were the orc scouts looking out for Erkenbrand, etc... Again, not that I mind that much, as you could always argue 'dawn+Gandalf's magic'
dIRECT0R whine whine whine again. great movie and i loved the books.
Nono, not whining! Great books, great movies! :)
dIRECT0R I think Tolkien describes it as if the wall was made of blocks "but in front of it was smooth, and the great stones of it were set with such skill that no foothold could be found at their joints...". Maybe I'm missing another place he describes the wall, but the two I've found both imply block construction.
All fiction runs the risk of over-analysis. There's an art to turning off your brain and just enjoying it. Star Wars fans like myself become masters of it.
The first white wizard AGL saw was Saruman and not Gandalf. it's mentioned clearly in the book.
@Merciless Freak They weren't stolen. Legolas mentions that the horses had almost sounded like they had bumped into a friend (maybe Shadowfax?).
In many ways, I think this one is the most impressive adaptation. A lot more work had to be done to make Two Towers work as a film, and a lot more was changed, but it works brilliantly.
This always bothered me in the extended edition, since Treebeard brings the hobbits to Gandalf (which doesn't happen in the book), he would've known they weren't orc spies so there was no need to waste that much time discussing it in the Entmoet.
Also the part where Treebeard saves them from the willow, is a very obvious nod to Bombadil
I love the movies, but my only real complaint is how they treated Faramir in the movie adaption. In the books, he's basically the antithesis of his brother and father, and a symbol of the goodness and bravery still left in mankind. Even though he's treated poorly, and passed up for the fellowship by his father's choice of sending Boromir, he still does what he knows to be right no matter what. Even going so far as to reject the ring and immediately send Frodo and Sam on their way (with provisions) as immediately as he could. Where Tom Bombadil shows that there are things in the world older than time remembers and above the events happening around him, almost as an elemental character, Faramir shows that though the ring corrupts and humans caused the mess they're in with Isildur's actions, there are those who will do what they know to be right, no matter what they face or the consequences that may come.
And in the movie, they turn him into an unlikable conniving weakling. This is the only thing that I still have trouble forgiving in the films, even with fifteen years passed.
Michael Harris Really? I never got that feeling from the film. But then, I only watch the extended edition where he has a lot more screen time and his depiction there is pretty much what book Faramir is.
The extended edition treated Faramir better than the original edition of the movie and I was using some hyperbole, but I still feel that they didn't do justice to Faramir. They make him more sympathetic in the extended addition, but he's still basically changed from the book.
In the books, he's disregarded and passed over, but still does what's right and defies his father and risks losing his people because he knows it was right to help Frodo. In the movie, he's essentially changed because his first thought is living up to the reputation of his brother and father, making him a weak character.
I think the reason why it bothers me so much is that he was one of my favorite characters in the whole series.
Faramir wanted to go but his father did'nt want him to go because he felt Borimor was more worthy, and of course his favorite.
The forest eating the Orcs was included in the Extended Edition, and it is expanded upon, showing that they had moved from just outside Isengard, to Helms Deep to stop the Orcs when they began their trek back.
My 3 favorite books of all time, and my 3 favorite movies of all time.
Missed out on the fact that "they're taking the hobbits to Isengard!"
What did you say?
Aomer had been arrested in the books for threatening worm-tongue.
He was released on Gandalf's request.
Still totally in love with this series! Thanks for all the hard work guys.
Love the books and the films. I watched the movies in theaters when i was little. Read the books for school. Now i reread the books for fun :) amazing film adaptations. The cast and crew really showed there love. Wish the hobbit was better, but i still enjoyed the films.
All things considered most of it is the same or very similar, one of the best book to movie adaptations in my opinion.
I definitely agree. I actually prefer some of the changes the movies made to the books.
Jacob Benton I also liked that change, it's one last hurrah of the old alliances. The change I liked most is Faramir. In the books he is very nice the whole time even to Gollum. The movies he reasonably captures the hobbits because they could easily be spies of the enemy. I liked how he struggled a bit with temptation from the ring. But out of wanting his father's approval and to prove his quality. He didn't understand the rings burden until he saw Frodos struggle at osgiliath. To me Jackson did his character better than Tolkien did. The arc of his character just feels so natural. When he let's Frodo, Sam, and Gollum go and Sam tells him "Captain Faramir, you have proved your quality." Damn that line gets me every time.
How? So much is changed for the worse. The story as told in the movies does not make any sense anymore.
MasterBombadillo The changes weren't that bad. They could have have been Game of Thrones bad
They were worse than GoT. Want an example? Why did Faramir let Frodo go to Mordor after seeing Frodo offering the Ring to a freaking Nazgul?
Really, I doubt the writers even cared for internal consistency - allowing me to criticize the films even without comparing them to the book.
After you do Return Of The King, will you also do What's The Difference on The Hobbit?
That would take too long.
If you think about it, the differences are actually quite painfully obvious between the books and the movies for the most part. It'd be more of a "what filler nonsense was added in?"
The rabbits pulling the sled is in both the book and movie, right?
TCM Reviews the hobbit booked sucked. and the movies were so dragged. they could have easily made one long 3 hour movie rather than a trilogy. greedy mothatruckas
I'm not aware of any of the books, even Silmarillion, mentioning rabbits anything like that. And Radagast doesn't even appear in the Hobbit book.
I been waiting for this like my tax returns
Best trilogy ever made! What an exceptional masterpiece this is. Once in a lifetime you witness something like this....
I'm watching the movie on DVD, and boom they upload a video
There are some inaccuracies in this video, but I commend you for this concise summary. The "spooky" old man that AGL encounters when they first enter Fangorn is in fact Saruman, or so we must assume, as Gandalf says that it was not him. Also Merry and Pippin are taken to Gandalf in the books, but the meeting itself is not included.
Fun fact.....Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli were dealing with some pretty significant injuries during this movie. Aragorn kicked an Orc helmet and broke 2 toes. Legolas fell off a horse and cracked a rib. And Gimli had a bad knee. And in ALL the shots we see of these three following the Orcs to rescue Merry and Pippin, they are running across New Zealand WITH these injuries. It wasn't their doubles. And not ONE of them complained about the excruciating pain they were in. Also, the scene where Aragorn and company are at the pile of dead orcs and he kicks the helmet.....THAT is the very moment he breaks his toes. He had kicked the helmet 3 or 4 times and they gave him one more take and he FELT the pain of his toes breaking and was such a professional that he turned that pain from his toe into a performance. It SOUNDED like he was really grieving the loss of his friends.
Just got done with reading two towers. I really respect how writers of trilogy mixed two separate storylines into one cohesive narration. Must've been one heck of a task.
You guys claim the battle of Helm's Deep is pretty much the same in both versions, but I'm pretty sure the one in the movie is like 2/5 of the runtime, while the one in the book is like 3 pages long, Tolkien spends more time describing the preparations. I might be wrong, I haven't read the book since literally the last century, but I'm pretty sure the proper battle in the book, as fun as it was, is almost a blip on the radar.
Zagardal Yeah there are other differences like Hama ( theoden gate guard) gets killed in helms deep instead by a warg in the movie. In fact the whole wargs attack scene isn't in the book.
@3:40 In the book, the person AGL saw at night while camping is not Gandalf. Gandalf says he was elsewhere that night.
@5:40 You misinterpret Eowyn's role as leader in the book. She doesn't stay behind in an undefended Edoras, she leads the civilian population to another Mountain Stronghold called Dunharrow. In the Book, there are more civilians sheltering at Helm's Deep during the battle, but they are not from Edoras.
@10:48 WHOAH! Gollum does not fall while climbing down a rope in the book. Frodo and Sam do in fact ambush him at the bottom of a cliff similar to how its done in the movie. Thats a huge mistake, makes me think you guys didn't actually read the books.
It cannot be understated how big the changes to Faramir and the trip to Osgiliath are. Faramir's ability to deduce what Frodo is carrying without demanding to see it and try to take it for Gondor is almost superhuman. I don't even understand why the change to movie Faramir was necessary. The resulting trip to Osgiliath completely breaks the plot: the quest to bring the ring to Mount Doom can only work if the Enemy doesn't know just how close the ring is and by showing it to a Nazgul the Enemy would instantly become aware of its location. Given the multiple armies of Southrons, Haradrim, Easterlings and Orcs not more than two days march from the crossroads, Minas Morgul and Cirith Ungol there is no way that Frodo and Sam could have crossed into Mordor, it just would not have happened.
"two days march" because Frodo and Sam wouldn't be able to go anywhere within 2 days..........
Hey CineFix, I'm a soldier who is stuck away from home for a year, and ur video's help me out a lot. I have a request for a "What's the Difference." Could you do a episode on HG Wells' novel "The Time Machine" vs the 1960 movie versions. Both are among my favorites and I would enjoy seeing ur take on the story.
robert jones Thank you for your service, Mr. Jones.
So the beginning of the book is the end of the first movie and the end of the book is the beginning of the third movie?
Nick River Correct!
Actually Shelob is in the middle of the third movie (even after the disc Change) ;)
Crazy but it's a trilogy so it's all 1 story.
The bookmark that's been living in the middle of my copy of The Two Towers has been haunting me from my bookshelf for years.
Why can't I find AGL+G collab album on Spotify?
Did you know that J.R.R Tolkien fought in WW1?
No I didn't get that from Legends of Tomorrow
Oh I just forgot about Legends of Tomorrow, do You know if He killed anyone during that time?
I just fucking love Game of Thrones I like where your heads at
Duh. So didn't CS Lewis
Boom Boom Magoo thats common knowledge. he took a lot of inspiration from ww1. especially from "no mans land" which is essentially Mordor.
For what I've seen and heard Tolkien did not take any important element from war to his stories. He said it himself.
what are we...some kind of two towers?
Thanks Will Smith.
you've got my sword
@花Illmarë And my boomerang
These illustrations of the characters are the best thing ever! Can't stop laughing at Éomer xD
I have to say, sarcasm is not usually my cup of tea, but these lord of the rings videos you guys did are so awesome and hilarious! I love it! lol
I'm amazed you didn't talk about how incredibly different Helm's Deep is in the film as compared to the book, in that in the movie it's the huge dramatic end whereas in the book it feels like a little skirmish and holds almost no dramatic or emotional weight at all.
So... the fact that Saruman used freaking explosives in the movie to torn the walls apart is not worth mentioning?
MOAR PLS. love these guys.
The trees are in the extended cut and they put the elfs in the battle to compensate for not having the dunadain in the third movie. And the hobbits hang out in Treebeard's home in the extended version too.
It is amazing actually. I read LOTR few times before watching, but my brain totally replaced memory of a book with movie version now. In terms of visuals and all minor details (eg that Sauroman didn't control the King by magic). Only differences I remember are major ones that made me angry (elves at Helms Deep... the point in the book was that the Men can do it on their own) or impressed.
Those trees "eating" the orcs is in the extended cut:Pippin & Co see them wander off when at Isengard and after the battle our boyband + Theoden ride through the forest in front of Helmsdeep - the latter being the first part of Tolkiens attempt to do a better twist on the prophecy in Macbeth. The trees literally wandering to Helmsdeep is his version of
"Macbeth shall never vanquish'd be until
Great Birnam Wood to high Dunsinane Hill
Shall come against him."
...opposed to the lame camouflage (cut down in the Birnam Woods) carried by Shakespear's knights. The other part of the prophecy was that Macbeth can't be killed by a man born to a women, the twist being the guy who kills him saw teh light of day by Caesarean section, in Lord of the Rings this is the Witch King who can't be killed by a Man but then gets killed by Eowyn.
Pretty sure in the books, tree beard said he was abouy to kill merry and pippin the moment he laid eyes on them before he realized they were not orcs. So though there was less tension in the books there was still some initial confusion.
about bloody time!
Y'all are mispronouncing on purpose, right ... Right?!
Runaetus ikr? Pretty much every. single. name. was pronounced incorrectly
Absolutely hated the way they portrayed Faramir in the movies
I can't help but feel bad for Faramir in the film especially with a madman running Gondor
I agree. I absolutely loved David Wenham as Faramir, but he was written so poorly.
Faramir was my first book crush, so I felt a little betrayed by the way they portrayed him in the movie. Made a butt hurt fangirl out of me.
I liked that Faramir was tempted as he was. Not by the ring itself but by the desire to be loved as his brother was.
Kudos for including the XKCD graph on the video!
good job guys.
you have my upvote.
I decided to subscribe too just because of the professionalism of the clip.
good job
Where is the what's the difference for Game of thrones?
Brandon Anderson - the speed at which everyone dies
Everyone looks prettier in the show
no one cares. you don't compare game of thrones to Lord of the rings. Lord of the rings is the God of this genre
Check out Preston Jacob's channel. He basically does the same thing episode by episode in his series What You Are Missing.
Considering the first season is the same as the first book, wouldn't be much to talk about
The Two Towers is my favorite of the trilogy, book and movie both ♥
OMG the pop up of the defective cyborg in the pants suit giggling when the woman was left in charge was PERFECT!!!!
The AGL bit made me chuckle
Can you PLEASE do a What's The Difference on Silence Of The Lambs 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 And while you're at it do one on Red Dragon as well.
shout-out to xkcd for the chart
The thing is... They DO line up in the books. Frodo sees the army leave Minas Morgul and thinks "How will Faramir survive with an army coming his way?" Which happens roughly around the same time Isengard is destroyed by Ents.
The films are broken because Jackson wanted to have Helms deep as the big Climax and needed to waste time on Frodo's side to balance the plots.. But Frodo's finishes brilliantly in the original, with Sam deciding to take the Ring and march on Cirith Ungol to rescue him - and Gandalf and Pippin are fleeing for their lives from Nazgul who are about to find that the prized Hobbits have escaped,
What more could you want from a movie? Two action-based cliff hangers promising next time will be even bigger....
Instead we get this confusing mess and also have to skip some of the most important things from the third book to fit the second book's plot in... Things like the fight against the fleet and the rush to reach Minas Tirith from the South, or the epic march of the men to the black gate, where some of the army are so terrified they simply can't go on.... - And Prince Imrahil leading the defence of the city.
All cut, - bad choices.... Instead we get Warg riders and dwarf chat and Faramir being a complete dick.
0:06 I always love that part when he screams haha 🤣
Also: Haldir does not die at Helm's deep(Since there are no elfs there)
Do trainspotting next
About time!
Amazing movies and amazing books.
Great video guys!
Well there is also the whole ents show up out of no where to attack isengard bit in the movie. Like if they were living so close to the forest that isengard had been chopping and cutting down for uses in their forges. Surely someone would of notice long before tree bread. While in the books yeah they had dealings and been attacked by isengard orcs before. Being a factor in terms of should they attack isengard or not.
That and Agl all ready had their own band name. It was called the three hunters. So i guess the movie version would be Agl the three hunters coming soon to a threater near you.
PO TAE TOES
Love this very much. Good job Cinefix! One thing though, Faramir wassn't influenced by the ring in the movie. He was only trying to make his father proud of him by fulfilling his wishes.
@Cinefix The two halves do line up. Tolkien went to great lengths to see to that, mindboggling so, so those "ripple effects" made sense. It's well documented in the Tales of Middle Earth, edited by his son.
You should do a hitchhikers guide to the galaxy what's the difference
Maybe One day we'll get a What's the difference on the Berserk Trilogy
The horse's clip-clopping cracks me up every single time!
If I see one more person talking about this extended cut I might just watch it
Umm, you forgot the fact that the rangers show up at Helms Deep. It's been awhile, but I want to say that that's also where they reveal that the Rangers of the North are in fact the former royal court of Gondor.
The Grey Company encounters Aragorn after the battle of Helms Deep.
tolkienismaster I could have sworn otherwise. My apologies for the bad info.
Arnor (The North Kingdom), not Gondor.
also descendants of numenor
Here's a tip, read the material before correcting people.
- the Rangers and Elrond's sons appear near Dunharrow (much later after Isengard's destruction) , chasing down the Rohirrim and Aragorn's gang and nearly starting a fight until Halbarad raises a peace sign and Aragorn is relieved.
- they are not "the royal court of Gondor". They are the Northern Dunedain. Aragorn is claiming the throne via two of his distant ancestors, not any close kinship with the kings of Gondor. In fact the royal court is actually well intact MINUS the king- we have the Steward, Prince Imrahil, the Guards of the Fountain and Tower (who still wear royal insignia) and other advisors like the Warden of the Houses of Healing and Hurin of the Keys.
This is really simplified a lot... I get why, but for people who didn't read books - know that there are many other differences, many of which explain various characters and seeming plot holes.
And also, the book is far, far more badass. You can't understand what kind of ultimate boss Aragorn is until you read the RotK. And Frodo is depicted very much like an elf lord - which all the more emphasizes why he was able to finish his quest (with Sam, the ultimate bro, of course).
How was Frodo depicted as an Elven Lord? That part was not why he was able to finish the quest. It was because he showed mercy - because he knew how Gollum became the person he was - that the Ring was destroyed.
I was referencing the parts where he was described (usually by Sam) as radiating light and wisdom. And by finishing his quest I meant the fact he was able to carry the Ring for such a long time and through such struggles, even though it was clouding his mind throughout the RotK. Of course, taming of Gollum was and important event and their journey wouldn't be possible without him, but there were many such events that would ruin the quest if they did not happen or happened differently.
7:58 The actual fighting part plays out much the same way, except.... Helm's Deep is also attacked by Worgs, Wild Men, and Goblins, with the Surviving Wild Men being won over by Théoden's mercy and swearing never to return to Rohan with violent intentions (they can come back peacefully).
I love the animatics in this video!!!
Waiddaminute there's no *Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind - What's the Difference*??
HashbrownMashup Wha, you want that? That would be sooo easy. But few people know about the original manga. Or are you talking about the Warriors of the Wind?
??? They're almost nothing alike
HashbrownMashup Yeah, well that's what I ask. To what the animated film must be compared? The manga or the butchered film?
There's a second adaptation? I was talking about the manga and the Hayao Miyazaki flick
I'm now reading that "Warriors of the Wind" was a US dub with heavy recuts. Pretty sure that doesn't count as an adaptation in it's own right, especially seeing as they changed Nausicaa's name to "Zandra". And, yeah, while the plot differences might be pretty distinct between the manga and film it's exploring the thematic and character differences that I'm more interested in.
The Wizard of Oz - What's the Difference?
I watched the films before reading the books, and quickly caught on that I was going to be in for a long slog through Frodo and Sam's second half of the book if I didn't do something, so I cross cut the book myself by reading a chapter from each half one after the other. That worked great, until they meet up again in Return of the King.
i love these so much! 🔥
Actually, Frodo does fall into the swamp! During their trek across the marshes, Sam becomes worried about Frodo who has lagged behind. Frodo appears moments later and Sam notices that Frodo is dripping with dark water. You never see/read it but it is insinuated that Frodo fell into the swamp.
Hey CineFix, Please do a "What's The Difference" between "Kingsman" Movie and Comics! Thank you.
The Punisher Kingsman is not a direct adaptation of The Secret Service, so differences are somewhat unfair
The reason that Tolkien ended the Two Towers - specifically Frodo’s story arc - is for the payoff at the Black Gate.
In the book, the last we see of Frodo in book 2 is him being dragged off by the orcs, poisoned by Shelob’s sting.
We know nothing more about him until the Mouth of Sauron brandishes his clothes and armour at the Gate, and so at that point we don’t know if his quest failed or not. The battle commences, and the viewpoint hobbit is buried under a troll (I think?) and the scene effectively cuts to black, and we go back in time and follow the hobbits & Gollum.
So we spend the entire first half of the book not knowing if the hobbits failed, and the second half of the book not knowing if the rest of the Fellowship failed.
In order to create tiny bits of tension, the screen adaptation basically ignores the driving emotion of the third book, and dismantles its primary theme, that doing the right thing is always the right thing to do, even if (especially when?) you know that you will fail anyway.
What a great video!! 10/10
oh god, that "im with her" sign triggered my PTSD from the great meme war of 2016... thanks...
Do Blade Runner
You guys are great!!!!
I love these vids.
when hillary poped up, i got neauseated
keep in mind it was all suposed to be one book. so cuting things from one book into another movie is one thing we know tolken would be "ok" with.
In one of the extended edition extras discussing the scenes at Minas Morgul and Shelob's lair PJ makes it clear that, time line wise, those events occur concurrently with the siege of Minas Tirith. So actually (IMO) it was good putting it off until the third film (though I was a bit upset when I first watched TTT.)
You had me at "my precious". Liked video almost the moment I first heard Gollum lol
awesome videoooo thanks