Top 10 Most Powerful Subclasses in DnD 5e
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- Every class in Dungeons and Dragons 5e comes with a wide selection of different subclasses. These subclasses can be taken as early as level 1 or as late as level 3 depending on your class. They come with a variety of abilities that augment or reinforce that particular subclass in specific ways, such as becoming a War Cleric if you're planning on being more combat oriented. So in this video, we will be going over some of the more popular subclasses which are generally considered really good. However, when going over this list, it's important to keep in mind that this list is highly subjective, since lot of subclasses are highly dependent on the campaign or setting that's being played.
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Written by: Zephyr
├ The List
Intro: (0:00)
10. Swashbuckler Rogue: (0:33)
9. Gloom Stalker Ranger: (5:51)
8. Totem Warrior Barbarian: (10:43)
7. Circle of the Moon Druid: (17:27)
6. Genie Warlock: (26:06)
5. Echo Knight Fighter: (30:58)
4. Battle Master Fighter: (37:40)
3. Twilight Cleric: (43:01)
2. Arcane Trickster Rogue: (48:45)
1. Divine Soul Sorcerer: (55:55)
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Literally says "subjective opinion" so no shit
I love the divine soul sorcerer, but I don’t know about Divine Soul at #1 when I’d argue it’s not even the best sorcerer subclass. Clockwork soul and Aberrant Mind both give you more spells known which is patching the biggest weakness of Sorcerers. Also not having Hexblade feels a little off. Genie is super strong, but one level of Hexblade makes Paladin, Sorcerers, and Bards so much stronger than they would be straight. I would’ve also considered the divination wizard. Awesome video nonetheless.
hexblade is mostly good if you multiclass, otherwise its not that good of a subclass for only warlocks
This is less of a power ranking video and more of a "how these subclasses open up your classes playstyle" ranking. So, titling it as a ranked strongest tier list is a bit misleading.
Hexblade isn’t even that good unless you combo it with a sorcerer subclass or paladin
I think as a single class Genie is much more powerful. It is the most self sufficient way for a warlock to gain simulacrum which is crazy considers that Warlock DPR is very high and protecting the simulacrum means you can regain Mystic Arcanum spells, something a wizard simulacrum can never do. (I think they can still do spell mastery spells though). But warlock also have nifty at will invocation spells too that the simulacrum can possess resource free
@inversenexarus9152 it's literally titled "most powerful subclasses"
Maybe "Top Ten Subclasses for roleplaying" or "for social encounters"? Obviously it depends on the scenario and will vary based on campaign, DM, player etc. but even if its not strictly ranked, just going over stuff like that would be interesting.
Alternatively, Top Ten Flavourful Subclasses? Like subclasses that let you really go into a particular theme?
Here's your top subclasses for roleplaying and social encounters: Play a different game that isn't entirely centered around combat and almost nothing else where every single class feature is built around how much damage it can do in combat.
I'm surprised the Peace Cleric isn't on here. It's almost as busted as Twilight. They get essentially a free Bless spell (that stacks with the actual bless spell) and a misty step-like channel divinity that heals a comparable amount to a life cleric if the party lines up properly.
I've been running one of those and 100% agree
Yeaah, and also teleport to receive allies damage is really good
Peace is even more OP
Rune Knight is missing as well. So are Hexblade. Blade Singer and Divination wizard, Vengeance Paladin etc
Yeah and it is literally the best cleric domain if one just wanted to take a dip into cleric
Noticed an oversight regarding Echo Knight and using Action Surge. Action Surge is only once per turn, even if you can use it more than once before resting. So the limit is 10 attacks an Echo Fighter can make in a turn unless something else can grant them a second Action Surge (and AFAIK there's nothing that can do that).
Is this limit considering haste? (Which still doesnt give as much as is told in a Video but I wanna ask)
@@JohnBlank-em6lq No, but even Haste would only allow a single attack, not the full extra attack. While Haste says "attack action", it also limits it to "(one weapon attack only)".
After Haste, the maximum is 12. You are still taking the attack action, but you can still use the Echo's attack even though you're limited to one.
Druids should get an additional wildshape at level 10 or so. Needing a short rest in my party was always a hassle for everybody
That's a party problem not a game mechanics problem.
An hour rest in a traveling day should for the most part be no issue.
@@Dan.the.Guitarman Not the party.... the DM. In almost every single table I have played the DM makes it a hassle, because he starts mentally torturing the party by saying "Are you sure you want to rest here?"... Then you finally make your best, to find the best spot to rest, for one hour, and the DM throws a random encounter. To all DMs I have played with, taking short and long rests has always been a hassle, that most of the times ends in a combat encounter and now you are with less resources and less health than before trying to take the short rest. And now no one is willing to take a rest. I think DMs are the main reason people do not want to take short rests, and sometimes even long rests.
If you could take at least one guaranteed safe short rest a day, I guarantee you all parties would take that.... but as it is, the reason no one wants to take them is because we all know it most likely will end in a random encounter...
Even with spells like Tiny Leomunds Hut, DMs have found a way, having enemies spring from the ground... or sometimes even outright banning the spell.
Twilight Cleric, Eloquence Bard, Vengeance Pally, ChronWiz or DivinerWiz... as a DM since the 80s, these classes make me work to challenge them. Not sure how how your rating system is based, is it how much the subclass boosts the base? Or just overall? In either case some of these choices seem to be a reach
Totally agree. Having arcane trickster at 2 above all of those subclasses, and with no mention of other game-breaking ones like peace cleric, hexblade, or clockwork soul, makes this video feel more like a list of classes that do alright in a sub-optimized party rather than an actual look at the most potent subclasses in the game. I hope WOTC doesn't see this video and think rogues need to be nerfed in one DND 🤧
@@offdeez21 Oh heck yes, all these you mentioned as well!
Imo none of the Paladin subclasses are actually all that strong, it's mostly just the chassis. Same goes for the Wizard. Chronurgy is a notable exception though, and no Eloquence on this list is pretty wild lol.
Props to Eloquence Bard
The DM Sweatmaker for Bard players who don't have Nasty Magical Secrets picks or personal ways to make amazing use of Cutting Words/Peerless Skill on Lore Bard (such as on Counterspell and Dispel Magic Checks). Always being amazing without needing much of the spellcasting/skillcheck mastery it takes to make Lore Bard Terrifying really is a game balancing of all time.
@@shadedergu9921 A min/maxxed Eloquence Bard could, literally not figuratively, lie straight to Asmodeus' face -the Father of Lies, and get ol' Asmo going "hey! That sounds like a great idea!". The odds are not great, but with unfudged rolls, it can happen. If that isn't OP, I don't know what is 8>D
1. It would help for these sorts of lists if the introduction mentioned what the criteria for the ranking are. Is it class plus subclass, or the impact of the subclass alone? How do you define power? What sorts of features do you value above others (e.g. Treantmonk always mentions his bias toward saving throw bonuses)?
2. I'm really surprised to see double rogues and fighters but no wizards or paladins. I guess Paladins don't gain that much from their subclass compared to the base, but Wizard has some insane subclasses, especially Chronurgy.
But at least there are no monks.
This list is nearly entirely wrong, no matter what your criteria is.
I agree knowing the criteria would be nice, but he did lead off saying it was subjective.
@Ragatokk I disagree with your fundamental thesis. The video is an opinion, not an objective ranking and it says as much in the prologue.
@@gmradio2436 about as valid of an opinion as an opinion stating eight ripe bananas are smaller than two blueberries.
@@Ragatokk Oh, I can see I am not going to get anywhere. I hope you finish college soon.
Love the videos bro keep em coming. SKÅL!
Where is the Chronurgis Wizard? Every single feature they get are good!
Yeah, I love this dudes CZcams channels, but the research done for this one is really subpar, especially when compared to the Ygo and Mtg ones.
Chronurgist should not only be on this list, but literally be number 1, folowed by BOTH Peace and Twilight Clerics. Divine Soul is really good, but it's nowhere near Aberrant Mind and Clokwork Soul and it's arguably behind Lunar as well. Battle Master before Echo Knight is also really crazy. In fact, Battle Master shouldn't be on the list. As much as I hate to say it, no Rogue should be on this list, and Swashbuckler is my favorite class.
I understand that lists like these are subjective, but 5e isn't balanced well, and a top 10 subclasses in power should be fairly easy to determine.
I agree where's the peace cleric, eloquence bard, and clockwork soul sorcerer? Peace is usually considered just as busted as twilight. Eloquence is the smoothest talker in the game and can debuff saving throws and clockwork soul is the sorcerer equivalent to abjuration wizard.
This has zero wizards on it, so I assume, it is based on solo play, or being able to do almost anything...consistently in an adventuring day (optimization boards suggest an adventuring day = x4 encounters with at most x1 short rest, this higher bar test/illustrates where a build is optimized strongly or not)
The whole class of wizard is usually rated at top tier but it can not be by itself, so that's probably why it wasn't on the list.
Chronurgy at least isnt here due to being a Setting Specific Subclass. Where Logs focuses more on AL Legal stuff. Which Chronurgy, isnt.
@@cobaltlance18well echo fight is here, so seems like the setting isn't a problem to be included on the list
Thanks for a 1 hour long video! 10 worst subclasses next?
This was a cool video. I think videos ranking the subclasses of each class from worst to best would be a cool idea for you to tackle.
Bestow Curse with no one knowing you did it or that a spell was casted on them in the first place seems so good and fun in an intrigue campaign!
I already had to DM for a party composed entirely of the subclasses that appear in this video
I wonder how the list will change once the 2024 Players Handbook comes out.
Great video but I am surprised no wizard subclass is on this list. Chronurgy wizards and Divination Wizards are some of the most powerful wizards in the game.
I'd argue that base wizard no Subclass is stronger than all but a few of the strongest full characters (Clockwork soul, Moon Druid, Peace cleric, Etc)
@@CBCB8282 I changed the comment to “most powerful wizards” instead
Yeah, like the other guy said, the chassis of the base Wizard is really what carries them moreso than specific subclasses. I do think Chronurgy should be the exception though, so I would've at least placed it at 10.
Divine Soul forces you to pick a small group of spells. It should have been updated to include extended spell list for more options like Aber and Clockwork
Yeah, Clockwork definitely deserved the spot over Divine Soul, and getting the #1 spot is crazy lmao. I do think there's an argument for Divine Soul over Aberrant Mind though just for Spirit Guardians alone.
@@malmasterson3890I'd argue Aberrant still takes it just because their level 6 feature means they get to abuse the hell out of stuff like Suggestion and Silvery Barbs.
@M9Seradon I don't think the value of their features has proven to be as effective as first thought, and not every table allows Silvery Barbs. They're certainly close, but Clockwork has definitely proven itself to be well ahead of both.
It might have been easier pointing out the least powerful subclass than the most powerful. There are so many great ones. Some that could easily make the list: Phantom Rogue, Hexblade Warlock, Fathomless Warlock, Battlesmith Artificer, Chronurgy Wizard, Wild Magic Barbarian, and Pyromancy Sorcerer.
Phantom Rogue gives the Rogue the ability to spread out damage whenever they Sneak Attack and more skill proficiencies is never a bad thing when it can flex into whatever is needed.
Hexblade is just one of the best one level dips for Charisma casters as well as letting you attack using your Charisma with weapon attacks. It gives so much up front that is probably the most busted subclass.
Fathomless is really strong giving some more damage for free early game and a pretty decent expanded spell list.
Battlesmith is another one where it does give you a lot: a decent expanded list, access to all weapons, an ability to use Intelligence for weapon attacks, and a great pet to add a body to the board.
Chronugry has one of the powerful abilities starting subclass abilities letting you force re-rolls and some other just busted abilities like the Stasis locking a creature out for a turn or the one where you can basic save a spell for an hour to use at any time.
Wild Magic Barbarian is surprisingly powerful because of that Wild Surge. All of the except of the first ability are repeatable as bonus actions or have long term effects. Making it difficult terrain for only enemies in a pretty large area, teleporting 30ft for free as a bonus action, and free extra damage are all really nice but the one that changes your weapon is probably the most busted effect in the game, I'm not even joking. It changes your weapon damage to Force the least resisted damage type but changing the weapon to Light is the busted part. No other effect in the game, that I'm aware of, can make a Maul into a light weapon which means you can dual wield a Maul with another weapon. I'm not entirely sure how two-weapon fighting works but I'm pretty sure that having something that should only be two-handed in one hand is probably strong.
Pyromancy looks kind of weak because it doesn't give you a lot but ignoring resistance to Fire and then later making Immunity to Fire into Resistance to Fire while making you immune is strong. Honestly nothing is more of a power move then burning something immune to fire.
When twilight was in the UA, I was so excited for it and when the official one came out, I was over the moon for weeks.
It’s still my favorite domain to this day and I’m glad that so many people recognize how powerful it is.
Because anyone who says that clerics are just healers have never played a Cleric.
The Level 3 Wolf Totem Barbarian feature is amazing for campaigns that don’t allow Advantage on Flanking in combat. Especially in a melee oriented party.
I swear to god every time I click on a random, unassuming video I get met with another channel I didn't know hirumared had.
Okay, I know it's just a video, but we're talking about subclasses that immensely improve upon the base class I take it? How are we putting the Swashbuckler Rogue, which encourages rogues to play like a melee tank (incredibly stupid), over:
1. Chronurgy Wizard -- even for a wizard, it breaks the wizard.
2. Mercy Monk -- fixes many (not nearly all, but many) of the base monk's issues.
3. Peace Cleric -- Similar to Twilight Cleric, fundamentally breaks combat at level 6, on a class that is probably around the top half of classes?
4. Rune Knight fighter -- allows you to get an arguably better barbarian rage while keeping fighter features and scaling, without multiclassing. Incredibly good buff to the class.
5. Hexblade Warlock -- the single best one-level dip in the game. Also a very reasonable damage dealer, allows the warlock a huge amount of versatility.
6. Zealot Barbarian -- by level 14 you are, for all intents and purposes, unkillable, on a melee damage dealer/tank.
There are probably even a few more. I'm just shocked that Swashbuckler, or Battlemaster Fighter, or even Divine Soul Sorcerer, can make this list over some of the above suggestions.
Even considering putting a monk on the list is a sin in my book, but I'm mostly behind ya on this.
If you're only doing a one level dip then it's not a very powerful subclass, it just has something nice other classes can use.
Dip one level of order cleric with any caster class to get a free attack from any weapon attacking allies.
No oath of vengeance paladin? Idk man the pure offensive might of that paladin is borderline insane
Paladins are moreso powerful for their Chassis than the subclasses themselves. Like Gloom Stalker is significantly more powerful than the other rangers, meanwhile Vengeance isn't even indisputably the best paladin in the eyes of optimizer's, let alone by far superior to the others.
Vengeance Paladins can solo a Lich
On Echo Knight you mentioned that it can make 15 attacks in one turn, but the maximum is 11, or 12 if hasted. You cannot use two Action Surges on the same turn.
Where is Chronatugy Wizard or the Bladesinger? Maybe they are hiding with the Vengeance Paladin waiting for you to remember they are around?
(I know everyone has different choices but this looked a lot like more of a combat focused list and there were holes IMHO)
Yeah, the classes you mentioned should Likely be on this list, especially Chronorgy. This top 10 list seems quite biased given that some of the listed subclasses are 100% not amongst the strongest 10.
None of these 10 are better than Divination Wizard or Chronurgy Wizards. Also no Bladesinger...
Hexblade as well should be here. Then you get Life Domain clerics, Dream Druids who are also broken. This video is very bad. Love your content usually so idk if it was lack of research or trying to make controversy.
I mean, wizards as a whole class are broken AF
@@shounenda4291 those 2 subclass let you decide if someone fails/succeeds on a roll which is massive and strong asf.
D&D Logs is awful.
The inclusion of Hexblade really depends on how you frame your ranking I think. Hex dip is insane, but I think Genie is probably the better subclass if you want to play mostly as a Warlock.
And I'm not convinced Dreams is generally better than Shepherd, Moon or Stars Druid tbh. But I don't know what you base your ranking on.
Hexblade is a dip subclass, it enhances over classes but you never go all in on it. It has no business being on this list. Now if the list was top 10 subclasses to dip into to enhance your other class then yes.
Man, Wildfire Druid never gets any love. A free 15-foot teleport every single round? Additional 1d8 to healing and fire spells? Auto self-resurrection once per long rest?
Rope trick with a scribe wizard is superb.
Divination Wizard sends her regards.
She told me bring you this.. It's a no-save polymorph..
I always wonder if the armor from the amorer arteficer works with wild shape, since the pover amore is that arteficers class featur. Tbh a bear in a heavy metal coat would be really cool
I just started a new campaign, we’ll be at minimum level 11 by November. I’m playing a swashbuckler rogue, had our first session last night it was really fun. I used a stat array called flawed legendary (18 which I put into dex, 16 which I put into charisma, 2 14’s which I put into constitution and wisdom, 10 which I put onto intelligence and 7 which I put into strength. + 2 charisma for being a half elf so I have 18 charisma, + 2 into dex for custom origin so I have 20 dex). I was constantly bragging (all in good fun of course) about my +9 initiative bonus which will turn into + 10 upon our next level up by the end of next month although I’ll probably take the resilient feat for charisma which’ll only give me + 2 to charisma so my initiative won’t be increased but I will get advantage in charisma saves so if we get to level 13 I’ll be proficient in every soft stat saving throw as rogues already get intelligence save proficiency.
I have been curious about the Battle Master Fighter but the wide range of choices makes it confusing for me so an explanation video would be very useful.
Battle Master fighter is a very solid fighter subclass! Their fantasy is the idea of fighting smart, implemented in-game with a pool of maneuver dice. Those dice allow you to make your shots more accurate, knock an enemy prone, frighten them, etc.
I'd call them the battlemaster the most 'standard' fighter sublcass. Simple idea but effective.
@@gatorguard5931 Oh? Even more standard than the Champion? Interesting.
Clarification: I tend to prefer the more spell-casting classes because I enjoy being able to use magic when I can so I'd need a good reason to play a - by comparison - imho less stylish class. Then again, I use that term and I may be speaking out of ignorance as when I've tried to play a fighter in the past, I find it boring because all I can do is go in, hit maybe once or twice, and then do nothing.
The Battlemaster's manuevers are kind of like low-level 'spells', in that they can enact similar effects to certain attack spells. They're still single-target focused, so you're not going to get to do big sweeping effects like fireball or hynotic pattern, which might not make a battlemaster the ideal pick for you. I think if you like spellcasting a lot, outside of Eldritch Knight, you'll struggle to find a subclass that really works for you with a fighter.
If you want a melee spellcaster, I'd recommend any paladin or a Battlesmith Artificer, both of whom can have a lot of utility while serving more of a tank role. A hexblade warlock or a bladesinger wizard can also fill that niche quite effectively, though I would argue they're not as well geared toward absorbing damage.
champion is the basic fighter, Battle Master is the advanced option, as it could be a trap if you picked your maneuvers wrong. An issue addressed in Tasha's.
Battle Master is what you wanna play if you find most martials boring or you could from Pathfinder. Since Echo Knight is a far superior subclass (and usually banned), it's probably your best option.
Tasha's suggested builds for Battle Masters are surprisingly solid for WotC competency, so you could look at those if you want it simplified.
I think you missed what is by far the best target for arcane trickster's spell thief, which is ofc, the enemy's counterspell
Im currently playing a dual wepon gloomstalker with the sword of the undermountain king in one hand and the sword that sings in the other. Its broken. Especially with spike growth and the barrage spell. I kill more than any of my other party members. My paladin, wyll, is in 2nd place, he destroys most normal enemies in 1 lvl 3 divine smite with the BOL mace. I really like my party. I have the Gloomstalker Ranger, Paladin, Fighter, and a Cleric. Its crazy strong.
This should be titled “subclasses that don’t include Bladesinger, Hexblade and Twilight Cleric.”
You said specifically that the moon druid can't use/ wear their items in wildshape and that is completely not true. Its not just drop them or incorporate them into your form it states specifically you can wear them if physically possible by the form. A magic ring can be a septum piercing on a bear, magic tattoos can work, and many forms could wear a cloak or necklace to gain more power in animal form. If you just made a mistake that's fine but you stated what is says in ability but left that part out. Thats not helpful to people learning about a new class.
Please do cover Genie warlock, Id like to see that, perhaps even a video breaking down warlock subclasses and ranking them
You can google “rpgbot warlock subclasses” if you don’t wanna wait for that video to come out. It’s a written guide that goes into detail well.
You need to find a better scriptwriter or source for your info because like the video that claimed the Monk's capstone was one of the strongest in the game, this video would be hotly contested by pretty much any dedicated D&D content creator who is aware of even the most basic optimization.
The fact that Peace Cleric isn't even on the list is kind of a joke.
Now I want to see a Maneuvers video
S tier classes: bard, paladin, sorcerer, warlock
Are all strong class, but more over, focus on stat boosting cha,
so they are strong at both combat and role play encounters.
I assume the list took this into account, and the other choices involved the fact they were fairly good for solo play
The moment I heard Swashbuckler, i was satisfied. Best duelist in the game and i will not let anyone disagree.
I know it’s all opinion, but I’d argue that you may have left off a top 10 that is stronger then this top 10 overall. Here is some great options:
Paladin- Vengeance/ Watcher/ Ancients
Sorcerer- Aberrant/ Clockwork
Barbarian- Ancestral/ Zealot
Druid- Shepherd
Warlock- Hexblade
Fighter- Rune Knight
Bard- Eloquence/ Lore
Cleric- Peace
Wizard- Bladesinger/ Divination/ Chronurgy
I'm loving my lore bard right now.
Just made a Gloom stalker swashbuckler lvl 10 and she has +19 to initiative with silver dragon shield 😍
Hexblade is stronger than Genie no question. Additionally, Divination and Chronurgy being left off this list is the wildest take I’ve seen in a min, where is the wizard love at? Wizards are bascially 100% agreed upon as the strongest class in the game, so how did none of them make the list? Other than that, this list is not bad. I’d agree with the rest of the people in the comments and say certainly the swashbuckler is a great subclass but doesn’t feel as broken and OP as the top 10 or 12 subclasses in the game do. That swap and a couple subs for wizard subclasses and you’d have a pretty solid list
Hexblade's power really comes from multiclassing. It's the best dip in the game no doubt. But if you were playing a single class warlock, I'd rather be a genie than hexblade. And I think none of the wizard subclasses made it on here BECAUSE the base class is so strong, same with paladins. I don't think this list is perfect by any means, but just my 2 cents on that.
Nah hexblade would be on a list of best subclasses to dip, you'll notice people rarely invest deeply into it and tend to main a different class entirely when using. That's because hexblade isn't strong, it just has a useful ability.
genie warlock's elemental gift and sanctuary vessel feature tips say "swashbuckler rogue feature"
not hating, just wanted to point it out!
Bear isn't the only totem?
Path of the Zealot Barbarian, if built right, can be an absolute monster of a character if only because they basically have no penalty for dying and can continue to fight even after they have died so long as rage is up.
And they only die when their rage ends if their HP is still 0, which your HP can't go lower than in the first place. Furthermore, at level 15 all barbarians keep their rage up unless they're knocked unconscious or it's ended willingly. That means the Zealot Barbarian has the full duration of their rage to get healed for any amount once Combat ends to avoid death (as long as something else doesn't just kill them outright).
At high level Zealot is the best Barbarian, but where 90% of DnD campaigns are played, both Bearbarian & AG surpass it for their low level beef abilities.
@@malmasterson3890 I would also throw in Giant Barbarian as it is an amazing range based barbarian (one of the biggest limitations for barbs) and deal some good damage too after 6th level
@mohammadmurie I made this comment before I saw it, and yeah I 100% agree. It's definitely my favorite Barbarian now, and maybe my favorite subclass in the game.
@@malmasterson3890 Pog and yeah Giant and AG Barbs are 2 of my all time favorite subclasses in the game personally as I love the themese and new playstyles they bring for the barbarian, my favorite class
where's Hexblade, Clockwork soul, or bladesinger?
Is it really one of the strongest subclasses if you only take like two levels in it to enhance something else? No. Hexblade shouldn't be on there.
May... Cant believe the assassin blasphemy... Sure the others are basically just magical or warrior rogues... But i get a guaranteed crit which makes me tell my dm exactly how i slit that guards throat
Pre watch comment. Better have the moon druid on here
One thing that bothered me, is that you kept saying "Feats" even though none of the things here are feats, they are all class FEATures. Feats are there own seperate thing in 5e.
Imagine an Arcane Trickster using Spell Thief to steal Eldtritch Blast. 😮 Bye-bye Warlock! 😂
Divination wizard, shepard druid.
Lore Bard over Swashbuckler Rogue
Twilight Cleric is a subclass you will rarely if ever get to play because it's so busted that it's banned at most tables.
Serious top 10.
1. Moon druid
2. Twilight cleric
3. Peace cleric
4. Chronurgy or Divination wizard followed other subclass wizards
5. Gloomsralker Ranger
6. Vengeance paladin
7. Battlemaster or echoknight fighter
8. Aberrant mind or divine soul sorc
9. Eloquence bard
10. Hexblade or genie warlock
Do a random 4 of the top 7, and the game is broken
Who cares or needs rogues, monks, or barbarians at all in this list.
Divine soul should be swapped with clockwork. No way in hell is divine better than either.
Spot on
Replace vengeance Paladin with Watcher. Clockwork and aberrant are both better than divine soul. Shepard Druid is better than moon Druid.
@@brannenpfister2579 Shepherd just enhances what all druids can already do just a little bit.
Moon druid is way too high, vengeance paladin isn't even agreed as the best paladin subclass.
Hexblade is a dip class, if it were actually powerful people wouldn't just dip into it for the useful stuff that makes other classes better. Even a pure warlock would want to dip into a different subclass after a couple levels if they could.
I’ve never met or heard of a single person who chose Totem Warrior and didn’t choose bear.
Echo knight is freaking brutal
moon druid
you said take one level of monk for UAD
based on dexterity and wisdom
most creatures don't have good enough dexterity to make use of this
True many of them don't have dex, but they don't have an ac higher then 12 either. Even at early levels it's still higher with a wisdom of 16.
I did exactly this build in a COS campaign. It's actually pretty a substantial boost to the wildshape AC.
18 AC for Giant Spider
19 AC for Giant Owl
20 AC for Air Elemental
And that's without the additional things I managed to obtain to further boost AC, such as the tome that raises Wisdom to 22, the weavers monument giving my character additional elemental damage resistance, and the beacon of Argonvost +1 to AC and saving throws.
A 22AC Air Elemental with 144HP and a bunch of element damage resistance was practically busted.
Still died cuz Strahd is more busted, freaking walls, man.
Ray kish audacity
Clockwork soul, diviner, divine soul, aberrant mind, chronurgist seem like whiffs
No chronurgy wizard, no peace cleric, no hexblade?? -1 /lh
playing a gloomstalker kenku ranger. in full darkness i am invisible. so awesome. DM and i are making a shinobi NPC. One who can hide in light. Thx samurai jack
1. Chronurgy Wizard 2. Twillight Cleric 3. Peace Cleric 4. Clockwork soul 5. Aberant mind 6. Shepard Druid 7. Gloomstalker Ranger 8. Eloquence Bard 9. Oath of the Watchers 10. Hex blade. As you can see I've depictated everyone that agrees with me as the Chad and everyone that disagrees with me as the soyjack.
Nope. Hexblade definitely can't be counted since you only grab like 2-3 levels in it then put your levels into another class entirely. If it were actually that powerful you'd keep going, it just has some nice abilities for other classes to grab.
Circle of the Moon scales poorly because the beast options are worse the longer you go. The game needs better beasts to use. It would be nice if they got an automatic multiattack in beast form. It’s a great concept but ultimately lacking.
My favorite character I played was a Moon Druid but I saw the setbacks early on
Especially with a lot of higher CR beasts being dinosaurs. Good luck convincing your GM why you have seen those before.
That being said, a lot of official WotC DnD adventures don’t really go that high with character levels, so the moon druid is solid in those ones.
I’d put Echo Knight at #1
Jus sayin
Wow
No Lore or Eloquence Bard
2 more Magical Secrets sells a subclass more than adding the cleric list to a class that learns only 15 spells
Cutting Words also works on reducing AoE Damage, and inspiring yourself with peerless skill works on initiative, stealth, Counterspell, etc
Like, if you want to invalidate rogue in every way but sneak attack, take pass without trace and stealth expertise on a lore Bard, then grab an early counterspell so you can pick up wall of force and find greater steed at no loss at 10th level
Also, a 1d6 to 1d12 saving throw penalty that almost no creatures are immune to means Eloquence Bard can melt all Legendary resistances with just Polymorph Spam Alone
This is ignoring how both are better casters and equivalent/better skill monkeys than Rogues, especially when Bards can pick any skill unlike rogues
Like, unless you *really* want sneak attack or metamagic, you'll get everything the top two subclasses offer if not better by just going lore bard and picking the right spell or two, especially with the rest of the Bard Class.
Again, extra Magical Secrets on its own usually justifies Lore Bard as a top 10 outright just because the right two spells can completely warp how your party plays. Again a Lore Bard with Nondetection, Stealth Expertise, Pass Without Trace, and their winning smile and stealth selection is leagues better for party stealth, individual stealth, casting utility, and the like than an Arcane Trickster can usually hope to reach.
I think you're grossly underestimating cleric spells and metamagic as a combination.
@@shadenox8164 I never said Divine Soul should be off of the list. It is a good Subclass, but to have 16 Spells Total gets really rough.
Like, I have played a few divine soul sorcerers, I enjoy playing them. But I think you are underestimating how much of a drought the Divine Soul Sorcerer has in regards to spells known. Even if you split it 50/50 that is 8 Spells for each Spell List, not even enough to have one for each spell Level.
2 Additional Spells from any spell list in the game, not counting against your base class' spells known actually makes it easier to pick magical Secrets Later on a Lore Bard as opposed to making it more difficult.
Choose the low level MSecrets you want to open more high level options so you aren't giving up on Counterspell/Revivify/Fireball/Spirit Guardians/whatever low level spell you would have wanted if you choose other higher level options like Find Greater Steed
You can get great mileage out of Divine Soul Sorcerer yes, it just complicates your base kit.
Admittedly if it got the 10 Additional Spells known like the Tasha's Subclasses it probably would be one of if not the best subclasses in the game, but the lack of a large spells known expansion *hurts* when sorcerers already struggle to learn enough *Sorcerer* Spells alone, handling both is not really possible unless you severely neglect one spell list.
No Artificer Armorer?
Rake-ish audacity.
Happy Gloom Stalker is here, but rather confused that
Ancestral Barbarian isnt here(I mean totem is good but Ancestral is the most litteral Party tanking), Rune Knight the actual 2nd best Fighter while Battlemaster is 3rd best(Also find it funny you rate BM higher than Echo who is the number 1 best Fighter), Chronugy Wizard, any of the Paladins, at least Twilight Cleric is here but Peace Cleric is also pretty stupid
Also really? Divine Soul over Clockwork Soul?
Is Swashbuckler really as good say, the Fey Wanderer Ranger who esentially become a Charisma class as a Wisdom class and is heavily a party supporter class as if Ranger werent allready good party supporter to begin with
Oh yeah, Eloquence Bard is also really stupid good
None of the Monks and Artificers have as good subclass as everyone else, okay maybe Mercy Monk and Battlesmith
Also you have NO IDEA how strong Shepherd Druid is in the late game compared to Moon Druid
I cannot on any planet see how Echo and Rune are anywhere near Battlemaster given how much damage and flexibility he has over them.
@@aleksander10101Rune Knight is pretty much Battlemaster but way more Magic focused
While Echo Knight has SOO many utility
You can spamm Echo Knight infinitely, there is no limit on how many times Echo Knight can be summoned
Unleashed Incarnation is pretty much Fighter's equivalent of Dread Ambusher but you can choose when to proc it or not, oh yeah and you can esentially be a long ranged character while playing a melee character
Its also just good at protecting others, oh yeah and the Echo is treated as an Object not an creature which can do a LOT more thing
Look up Pack Tactics and Treantmonk video, they explained it better than i am
Totem is on par with ancestral for the most part, different ways of "tanking" sure, but being resistant to all damage doubles your HP outright which is insanely powerful. I do agree Clockwork Soul is the best Sorc subclass and Eloquence bard shoulda been on here. I think the power of the Sheppard druid is really based on the fact that the base druid class already has the most broken summoning spells in the game so it's really hard to say that the subclass of sheppard druid really makes that play style. ANY druid can be the most powerful summoner in a party, a sheppard is just a little better at it then those other druids.
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i'm sad that there is no paladin subclass included
Happy not to see the Diviner Wizard on here. They have one unfun (for the DM) feature and really not much else.
WHY IS THIS VIDEO AN HOUR LONG
With Divine Soul Sorc at number 1, I believe the term "highly subjective" might be an overstatement. That being said, you've hit many of these nails on the head.
I think people grossly underestimate the combination of cleric spells and metamagic. But number one was probably too high.
I'm really surprised Peace cleric/Vengeance Paladin/Clockwork Soul Sorcerer/Eloquence Bard weren't on here.
100% on 3 of these. Every day I get closer to being convinced Peace is the best Cleric. Not just because it's one of the most powerful subclasses, but because DM's are usually more willing to let you take it over some of these others & just 1 level is an insane dip for most classes.
@@malmasterson3890 Curious, which of the 4 don't you agree with? Obviously, everyone has different opinions. Vengeance is definitely the one of the four I'm 50/50 on whether it should be on the list, but the love for it in the community is insane lol
@taylorsmith9197 It's Vengeance yeah. I don't think it stands out enough among the other paladins, nor am I convinced it even is the best of them. Paladin itself is such a strong Chassis that the subclasses don't really impact it's power all that much. Wizard is very similar, but I make an exception for Chronurgy.
@@malmasterson3890 I tend to agree, I was mostly surprised just because it is so popular for so many power builds.
not oath of ancient paladin the aura is insane...they nerf it in one DND and now is shit I hope they add more resistance
Rake-ish
Barbarian isn't going to have the most hit points under normal circumstances.
No divination wizard eh?
What's with the Rogue favoritism in this video lol? Swashbuckler is okay but not nearly as good as many other subclasses in the game not in this video, and Arcane Trickster is probably one of if not the best Rogue subclasses, but I don't know if even that breaks the top 10 best subclasses in the game, let alone top 2 lmao. Off the top of my head: Chronurgy Wizard, Divination Wizard, Peace Cleric, Lore Bard, VengeancePaladin, and Hexblade Warlock are all better than at least Swashbuckler
People only dip into hexblade for some handy stuff most of the time, that doesn't make it strong it makes it useful.
Fairly certain it’s pronounced “rake-ish”
Divine soul isnt #1 and leaving out eloquence bards and chronurgy wizards is a mistake
Agreed. I think Divine soul sorcerer might be the best if it, like aberrant mind, got 10 bonus spells learned from the cleric list, leaving them with 15 spells known to pick up sorcerer spells. However, the weakness of sorcerer is its limited spells known, and simply giving it more spells to learn doesnt really fix that. If the fact it can learn cleric spells is the bonus, just play cleric because you aint taking any sorcerer spells either way.
Kinda gives me a Top 10 Subclasses For People Who Want To Play Casually.
Otherwise we'd be seeing a lot of Wizard here.
(Casual play is very fun, and my favorite, I'm purely making fun of a video claiming to be a top 10 but not really being that just picking decent subclasses that everyone knows)
No divination wizard? Porten, alone, is very broken
Part 2 maybe?
@@harryblocks i hope so. He missed very strong sub classes
" this list is very subjective and depends upon the campaign "
@@emeraldcityelicitor2281 Still. Portent still very busted, because, it can be used not just in combat, but, social encounter and other stuff that call for abilities checks and saving throws
Downvote for you. The first damn minute of the video addresses people like you
Divine soul honsesly pales in comparison to peace cleric... or even the sorcerers in tashas that remove the one weakness sorcerors had which was lack of spells, it doesnt mather that divine soul has acess to the divive spell list when their spell selection is pathetic
With the Twilight Cleric, you can't actually use Twilight Sanctuary with Steps of the Night as you described, as it emits dim light (the same wording as other light sources), rather than reducing the area to dim light (as Shadow of Moil does). As far as I know, Shadow of Moil is the only spell or feature in the game that reduces light levels in that way.
I'd love to see P2E vids. 5E leaves a bad taste in my mouth after the OGL drama, and I've been enjoying the other system more and more with every campaign.
What a strange list
I understand you're evaluating subclasses and not the base class. Although, I wouldn't even consider even one rogue. As for wizards, already been said.
So you clickbait with "most powerful" title but then don't event present the most powerful ones, nor do you give a proper scale or explanation to how you judge the subclasses power. Like arcane trickster and divine soul are both okay but nowhere near 2nd and 1st place.
Like divine souls only really powerful feature is the fact that you can get cleric spells which are probably the best early game spells. Otherwise it has once per combat you really need to make a save (because using it to attack is kinda foolish imo), a bad way to use your sorcery points which forces you to be right next to the other creature. Unless you are the only healer in the party or there are two half healers (for example divine soul and lets say celestial warlock or something) this is not a great option. Then you have 8th lvl to your next power, at a lvl which most players do not play. If you don't have a way to gain 30ft flying speed at lvl 14 you are truly playing in quite a hardcore game (I mean there is a race that just gets this straight away sooo). And then at 18th lvl you have a feature that is good but this is your subclasses capstone so its should be good, however it is not so good that I would want to go divine soul all the way to 18th lvl
Would really like to see more analysis and less cinematic´s
And the Divine Soul really gets hosed with the number of spells know. So the best feature of getting access to cleric spells isn't a slam dunk. You either grab so many cleric spells that you are essentially a squishier cleric with metamagic, or you are a sorcerer with healing word and revivify which isn't nothing, but not even as good as the Tasha's sorc subclasses
@@taylorsmith9197 Cleric spells weren't actually balanced around metamagic. That's not a combination to sneeze at. First place? No. But I wouldn't underestimate it.
@@shadenox8164 I mean it isn't a bad combo. Divine Soul Sorc is rightfully considered one of the stronger subclass options by many, but since the Tasha Sorcerers came out, I don't think the Divine soul is in the running for best Sorc subclass, let alone best subclass overall. I think the existence of healing word really puts a damper on the whole Cleric + Metamagic combo. I can't think of a spell that another full caster doesn't get that makes that combo so powerful outside of MAYBE Revivify and metamagic (which i did mention in my previous comment).
Want to use extended spell with Aid or Death Ward? Clockwork Soul already can do that and have more other spell known than the divine soul and have other strong subclass features on top. How often do you need to be able to subtle spell nearly ANY cleric spell? Not many Cleric damage spells that would truly benefit from empowered spell. Heightened spell could be nasty, but you don't need cleric spells to get the most out of that one. In fact, I tend to think that the Cleric really doesn't have any unique save or suck spells. It's a very good class and combo, but don't see it anywhere near the top
The fact that Twilight Cleric isnt top1 makes me question this entire list. Also Gloomstalker is probably the best martial subclass in the game.
Umm, hexblade is the most powerful
Nope, people dip into it alot, very few people main it because it has some useful stuff, not because its powerful.
Nah hexblade best
Nah, that's a dip subclass. It has like a couple good abilities to grab and then you pick a better subclass in another class that it'll improve, but that subclass is still better hence why you're focusing on it and not hexblade.
Dude you have to do better research for these videos. Divine Soul at #1 is a HUGE miss. Peace or Twilight Cleric absolute spite this and that's just off the top of my head.
How do you pronounce Panache properly but mispronounce Rakish(Ray-kish) as Rackish?
I wanna Ax you a question!
Is this a youtuber inside joke to drive people crazy?
Just randomly mutilate "sum werds" for the lulz...
This video is wrong on every level
these lists are so bad