Warhammer Lore The Great Horned Rat and Verminlords
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- čas přidán 22. 08. 2024
- Welcome back to more warhammer lore. In this video we cover the Great Horned Rat the patron deity of the Skaven. Little is known about the Great Horned one, but by looking further at the various Verminlords we can gleam insight into this pestilent and ruinous deity. All fear his glory! Hope you enjoy the video and make sure to like and subscribe for future content.
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The Great horned rat is the Chaos God of Ruin. Rot without rebirth, Slaughter without bravery. Plotting to destroy, not to gain. Art of only killing.
So essentially the aspects of the other chaos gods without their virtuous aspects.
Khorne's mindless slaughter without the honor
Tzeench's plotting without care for the bigger picture
Nurgle's cycle of stagnation cut off, with nothing to continue after rot
Slaanesh's hedonism without the pleasure
I like that, sums up the skaven perfectly
@@thetsarofall8666 this is why I like to headcannon that malice/malal is chaos but with order to tempt it, destruction of everything around him so something more may grow, he is the end and the beginning, he is terror but he wants you to fight him, he is the madness that infects but he is also the helper who gives them comfort, malice is the very end of all chaos gods and their very beginning of the gods of order as well
I think I know what idea formed the GHR: existential fear.
Think about it. The Skaven have nothing but their own lives and their own accomplishments. They seek to become more than they are, committing their atrocities in the hopes they’ll be remembered. In the hopes they can make it before they’re gone from existence.
They’re scared, frightened, little children playing at adulthood for the fear that they’ll cease to exist at any moment. They hide this fear with exaggerated words and egos. With great accomplishments, they boast to try and forget just how scared they are for every second of their lives.
And their god, so bathed in his own terror, as to fear his children’s power over him. For that, he subjugates them as little more than pawns in a game he can’t even pretend to understand to play.
And fear without temperance always leads to ruin, removing the best aspects of other great attributes.
you are a hidden gem in the lore community
Hidden-secret gem-jewel of the lore-tale pack, yes yes
Dude, I want to fight a verminlord in Vermintide 2 or maybe a future title in the franchise. Make it a proper boss fight, and that'd be do cool and tough.
I think he's sort of like a chaos undivided aspect that got out of control and became its own entity once its worshiping population swelled beyond measure.
Only 169 skavenslaves for summoning the Horned Rat what an absolute bargain!!!
And now in Age of Sigmar, the Great Horned Rat has joined the pantheon of the Chaos Gods as a 5th Chaos God.
really? that's awesome !
Played the crap out of the original Warhammer Quest ages ago. When our group got to maximum level, there were only two models in the game that my wizard couldn't just instantly kill with a snap of his fingers.
A Greater Daemon of Khorne, because it was just flat out immune to magic. And those GD, pos cheating ass Verminlords.
Their rules allowed them to deploy by popping up next to a hero, and immediately going first in a bonus close combat round, regardless of any other rules. We had to start grouping up around my wizard to prevent him from being assassinated by those things.
Verminlords have my respect.
I'd say the Horned rat is not as much an aspect of any Chaos god, as it's born from them. It would not surprise me that it once was a greater demon of chaos undivided carrying aspects of all the chaos gods that through completing the screaming bell managed to spawn the skaven as worshippers. As is fact in the Warhammer universe: If enough people believe it, it is. With enough followers, this once greater demon ascended into godhood.
That's just my personal pet theory.
An understandable mindset, however you forget that *all* gods start that way. I can actually help prove it, too!
Imagine, if you will, a vast ocean. Like all things do, life crawls out of this ocean upon the islands standing defiantly against the current. Eventually does this life seek to explore, to learn and so they swim and sail about this ocean to the best of their ability.
As a consequence of venturing back into the womb from whence it came, this life creates ripples in the ocean. Filth falls off the skin and fills the water around it. All things around it-in their natural order-are suddenly met with anomalous substance in their waters.
Unable to do much else, all within the ocean adapts as more of this contamination falls off the boats and bodies entering the water from above. To adapt, one must eat and grow. To do that, others must perish.
As the earliest instances of our souls gaining sapience was war held, birthing Khorne out of his dormancy-having feasted greatly on the lesser entities in the Realm of Chaos. From here was the first Chaos God born in true, his name and power sending shockwaves through the realm that he called his home.
Thus did the cycle repeat itself a dozen fold, with daemons and entities of the Sea of Souls growing independent of whatever masters might’ve owned them. The Great Gatherer, The Coiling Ones, The Ever Raging Flame and The Devourer of Existence are such examples of daemons whom grew to become gods themselves-diving low to hide in the abyss wherein the greater gods might not find them in those inky depths.
It's how all of the gods came to be, sans a couple (Morghur, for example is a mortal whom attained deific status). This means, you're right....and wrong, simultaneously. Beautiful how Chaos works, innit?
I think Horned Rat is the god evil, he embodies the negative traits of the four chaos gods without the positive aspects.
@@wyvernnemecek595 TL;DR
@@slebenacht8465 CHAOS IS OCEAN, GO BRRRRR
Anyone ever seen the spot in The Plaguefathers Domain called "The Lair of the Thirteenth Lord"?
Seems horned god is mix of all 4 chaos gods...humm...
Seems more Nurgle than anything.
Okay, after watching the video I see where you're coming from. Skaven themselves always struck me as a combination of goblins (hordes of small, sneaky, cowards) and dwarves (machinery and technology)
The lying of Tzeentch, the hygiene of Nurgle, the anger or Khorne, the cruelty of Slaanesh, and the not existingnes of Malal.
or maybe...mayyyybe.... the horned one is Malal
Maybe the chaos gods are actually aspects of the horned rat and not the other way around. He seems to be the äquivalent of the devil too, especially if you look at the story that mirrors the tower of Babylon (don't remember the name of the story tho) where a bell drove a whole city mad and corrupted it because they struck a pact to complete a tower in honor of their gods...
I think the horned one is indeed a manifestation of all the chaos gods embodied in one entity. I think the chaos gods once made a deal between themselves a long, looooong time ago. They saw the skaven were so numerous that whoever claimed their worship would be the most powerful chaos god and ruin the "balance" of the great game. Thus they all gave a little bit of themselves and created the Great Horned One. A proxy so to speak, worshipped by all skaven and dividing it's worship amongst the chaos gods themselves. As such you could call him a unique deity but one created and inexorably linked to the four primary chaos gods.
For the next Skaven DLC in Warhammer two, I could see them do something with the Skaven like what they did with vampires and bloodlines. You would choose one of the vermin lords and get buffs as well as being able to summon one of the vermin lords for your army.
This is great stuff, exactly what I want to learn about Warhammer that can be hard to put together so succinctly. Looking forward to digging deeper into the videos and hopefully lots more to come :)
Way to point out the psychology of these characters. I didn't realize that they were aspects of the Great Horned Rat. Good video.
God I love skaven lore it's so good.
Your lore never gets old. I've listened to dozens of times.
It's interesting to think that the great horned rat may be some renegade Chaos god that is partially made up from all four chaos gods. Perhaps he was an experiment gone awry by the gods, an attempt to make a single greater demon made from all four of them and instead created a whole new monster.
Perhaps the Great horned rat has always existed and saw the chaos gods and due to his jealousy and envy, he tried to be all four at the same time(if anyone has played darksiders 3 to the end you'll kinda get what I mean) Cause of all the traits the great horned rat has it's his extreme jealousy and pride that seems to be exclusive to him. The rest feels like he's taken minor parts of the other four putting his own twist on them.
His warrior verminlord is a proud warrior with skill and expertise but underneath is a prideful and somewhat cowardly (Going second) kind of personality. Desperatly trying to be the center of attention but at little danger to himself.
The assassin one is basically everything Eshin wants to be, the perfect assassin, perfection, makes me think of Slaanesh.
The plague one is clearly going to be Nurgle, nuff said.
And the final one is a magic user, Tzeentch is the chaos god most commonly affiliated with strong magic(I know Slaanesh and Nurgle have magic uses but Tzeetch feels more focused on it) but they also are the most planning and schemeing, something that Tzeentch is also all about, the plans within plans.
While the exalted verminlord is a representation of himself specifically.
So I wouldn't be surprised if the great horned rat is some kind of project of the four chaos gods gone rogue, or was made by accident, or an entity that's jealosy and pride made it try to be all four.
As someone that never really dug deep into Warhammer Fantasy lore these videos are useful for being atmospheric, informative and concise. A great way to pick up the lore of a faction quickly.
Great video! The Skaven are awesome, I need to homebrew some of the Verminlords for my next D&D game
Honestly sounds like he's a literal, and grotesque, offspring of Nurgle and Tzeentch...
Sounds to me like the Great Horned Rat is the embodiment of Chaos Undivided. Perhaps he is the true deity that chaos cultists whom worship chaos undivided unknowingly worship.
I hope queek made it to be a verminlord.
Nahhh he die at the hand of thorgrim
@@jfp1809 if end times count as canon
The video was great
But there’s something you might not know if you look at the chaos realms map in the place where it’s supposed to be the realm of Nurgul there’s a landmark called The Thirteenth Lord
Now at this moment WH3 hasn’t been released but CA might be hinting at the great horned rat. I believe there’s a high chance we will see him in the third game.
Yes yes
Maybe the Horned One was able to snatch power from all the chaos gods. He is godlike bc he survived the theft. He learned from the rats as a child and used their tactics to avoid the divine wrath. And in victory assumed the visage of his teacher.
What if the horned one is the fantasy equivalent of malal, who doesn't exist, from 40k. Chaos yes, but the one that will destroy everything, even the 'inferior' gods themselves.
Btw way most people do not know this but warhammer fantasy came first
Mala is Malice but copyrighted avoided
I'd like Queek headtaker to come back, I don't care if the lore say he died I want my crazy skaven back.
He maybe could come back as a Verminlord Warbringer?
@@shumakarimani241 gonna be honest I was thinking about that, if Queek came back with his dwarf gouger and trophy rack on his back that would make for an amazing model and boy would that be amazing. But I also don't think that would happen, since he didn't follow the horned rat, or give him any real worship.
@@kampi798 the horned rat seems to like those who dont follow him and given queeks beneficial insanity i would say its a blessing
@@kampi798 where does it say queek doesn't worship the horned rat? All skaven worship the Great Horned Rat and Queek even screams his name in a few of his short stories
@@kampi798
I think it’s the Grey Seers that Queek disdains rather than The Horned Rat.
Bro...ive been gone for a while but I was so glad to find your stuff when I came back! Thank u for your videos! 👍🤜🤛💯
I think warlord queek headtaker was actually favored by the horned rat. He was the only skaven lord that would dive head first at any enemy he sees and would go out of his way to challenge an enemy hero. A skaven with no fear that scared the other skaven and he killed a lot single handedly for a skaven lord
good work man im glad i found your videos
Hello single skaven looking for a broodmother to date
I'm a man-thing too and I want-wish for a video-movie called "Skavens are the best-best faction: *13 reasons why* " , yes-yes!
Maybe it is the chaotic balance of the two gods a bastard child of the two constant forces since chaos is essentially a force of nature?
The Horned Rat is the chaos unbivided
Amazing video , here's hoping they add them in a future dlc for total war warhammer .
When you take into account that the Skaven have a verminlord for each chaos god it would be a tantalizing theory that the Great Horned Rat is in truth the head of the Chaos Pantheon and the Skaven are his chosen people...
the skaven were such an iconic race for me ever since i first played warhammer battle march. while i was playing the chaos campaign the first time i saw the "black robed rat man" as thorgar the blooded put it i was like "dude sick!" they became one of my favorite races from then onward.
Battle march was really underrated it was a fun Warhammer rts before total war did it. Plus they actually nailed the cool chaos Deamons and other unit rosters. Wish it was more popular in its time then it ended up bejng
@@UnholyWrath3277 I like total war warhammer because it showed me that there were a wider range of races and factions to choose from such as the lizardmen, the ogre kingdoms and norsca to name a few of my favorites.
@@thegametroll6264 well ya I like total war Warhammer as well it did the genre well I was just saying battle march did the idea before it and wasnt as popular as total war showed it could have been. My only gripe with total wars take was chaos lacking a huge portion of the potential roster it could have had but supposedly that will be a big priority of total war Warhammer 3 so fingers crossed
@@UnholyWrath3277 the beastmen are my favorite children of chaos and I would like to see them get the rework the deserve at this point.
I swore there was a story about the great horned one stole a portion of another chaos gods power and was just a normal rat before that.
man that first verminlord at 5:41 would be scary to fight. i want to fight it or run from it in vermintide 2. it can be like left for dead 2 the witch lady and can one shot you by grabbing you, if picked up the only save from being instantly down is another teammates saving you, would be cool if something like that roams around the map the whole entire match while you try to avoid it its slow but stealthy and carries a dark aura and everything around it when it approaches, you just don't know which direction its coming from. it can have the HP of 3 rat ogres, and has 100's of little normal rats that circle around it that protect it from some damage and the little rats attack people who melee it at times. the normal 4 legged rats on the ground scatter after taking to many hits or attacks but regenerate like a shield overtime around the verminlord waiting for their next meal to come.
ability's:
grab-grabs a hero and put them into dying state if the hero or teammates don't use a knockback affect on the target in a few secs.
rat swarm: circle of small swarm rats that shield the verminlord from attacks and do little damage overtime to heroes in close combat.
lunge attack can lunge and attack a hero at a far distance.
Fear: being in close combat while facing the verminlord applies fear overtime making you do less melee damage until you leave close combat for a sec.
Scream: verminlord does a massive shout that summons rats to aid it in combat.
All hail great horned rat yes yes...
Just discovered your channel today. Praise the dark gods! Love your videos
HEY WHAT'S UP GUYS IT'S ME THE GREAT HORNED RAT THE FORTH CHAOS GOD
I JUST THOUGHT I'D POP-POP IN ON Y'ALL TO SPREAD THE INFECTIOUS JOY OF GREAT HORNED RAT DAY
HAVE A GREAT GREAT HORNED RAT DAY EVERYONE-ONE
"But what about Slaaneshmas? We only started celebrating it last year!" [WHEEEEEEZE]
SLAANESHMAS IS FFFAHCKING DEAD-DEAD
Yeah I'd have to agree with the statement he isn't a manifestation of the existing ruinous powers, the Great horned rat is his own chaos god in AOS after canonically achieving said status after the end times in fantasy
"Loose until you win" is the skaven way
so there is a variety of horned rat gods I see
Can you make a beastmen lore video series
Already have.
All the more skaven to sacrifice to the great one
169 slaves?
That's like.... 13 x 13
What could it mean? 🤔
Love me some horned rats
Starting in this warhammer trailer the Horned Rat is now apart of the Pantheon of Chaos Gods and is now 5 gods not 4 :D
I only get my lore from my fellow rats
Love your work
I like to believe the great horned rat is his own entity and is equal to if not greater than the other chaos gods. Especially if numbers of worshippers matter
You left out Lord Skreech Verminking when you were talking about the verminlords.
skreech verminking is my wifu!
My only question is did the GHR create the Skaven and/or they're just avatars of its own image or the Skaven were merely waiting to hear the call of their god. Even Chaos followers would pledge loyalty to a Chaos god or to the whole group but i've never seen a Skaven pledging to them (alliances don't count since both groups want to destroy everything and everyone)
Yo the fact there isn't a Slaneshian Verminlord made me think: Skaven have sex?!
If you didn't know 13x13=169
Great video. Very helpful. Would you say the exalted Verminlord is clan Scryre’s Verminlord?
I wish you would keep doing lore videos :(
Great horned rat find Nurgle over sentimentality disgusting.
and that is saying something.
i love how almost all of this is taken almost word for word on the warhammerfantasy wiki page
And the Wiki page is sourced from the Army Books and Roleplay that I litterally read from.
insta sub ;D great lore videos love them!
Is it possible the horned god is something of a representation of Chaos undivided?
Deceiver: Slaanesh
Corruptor: Nurgle
Warbringer: Khorne
Warpseer: Tzneech
what is the background music?
Great videos btw, eloquent and detailed, love it
100% Malal / Malice, finally has a place now but i liked the name more.
Warhammer fantasy came first
No offense
But your vids are amazing to fall asleep too
Almost ASMR like
Ty
Nice video. You are so much better than arch. I find his sarcastic manner really irritating
It's not a competition.
blazednlovinit when did I say it was. I think this channel is better than arch
Arch is as toxic as a chihuahua shit
My favorite theory is that the horned rat was the 6th chaos god
12:04 based
Hey Jumbo when you ware doing the intro to the Vermin Lords you mentioned that they use Glave's dose that mean all Vermin lords have them but only the War-bringers one exalted lord decide to use them?
From what I understand the reason it is mentioned as them using Glave's is that the Warbringers are the most common type actually seen in battle and therefore the most often associated when talking about Verminlords in general. Similar to how when you think of Bloodthirsters you usually assume they have axes, but the could use swords or flails in the lore. So, hopefully that answers your question. Also, thanks for watching and commenting.
Thank you! So much for your time! BTW Give Majorkiller's video "The Age of Sigmar explained by an Australian!" It's so funny!
he is obviously chaos lol
I love all the lore here but i guess my biggest question is how tall is a verminlord exactly? Would it be as tall as a chaos giant or even bigger?
It is stated that Verminlords are as tall as a Giant. Which has quite a bit of variance, but I would put them in the very large category.
@@jumbothick2984 awesome! Big rats make big plague!
forgot Lord Skreech
Literally word for word from the Lexicanum. Not cool man, not cool