Adam Kay on Junior Doctors
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- čas přidán 23. 10. 2017
- Russell speaks to comedian and former Junior Doctor, Adam Kay, about Junior Doctors and the NHS.
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You know you've read Adam's book too many times when you know every story off by heart
I laughed,i cried,i winced and I nearly vomited into my mouth afew times whilst reading this book.
I have no regrets because it was fantastically written
As an rn, my job couldn't function without our lovely junior doctors. You'd be surprised how many of them rent houses together. Because they aren't paid enough. 8 hour salaried days quickly turn into 10, 11 12 hours. Unpaid. They're on the floor, when the consultants are driving home in their audis. Doing tasks us nurses don't have time for, because we've got 5 or 6 or 7 patients. If you're wondering who's doing the most work for you behind the scenes, it's the junior doctor.
No one works for public health for money. If that was the case, we'd all work private.
I'm an F2 thanks I reli appreciate that. There are no easy days, just days that make you wish for death and others which are merely tolerable
Pierzing.glint1sh7 would you recommend your family members becoming doctors ? Since you know the struggle
@@khalidahmed8852 sorry to interrupt but as someone who's seen Dr's do well and seen doctors fail, the difference between a good Dr and a bad Dr is who's in it for the right reasons. I can promise you, if you're in it for money and glory you're have a rougher time that people who are in it for passion. We have one doctor who clearly is only where he is because his family are in medicine and obviously liked the status and respect they received. He's only his first year, but he's manged to isolate himself from all staff. No one speaks highly of him. He doesn't help other people so other people don't help him. I won't go out of my way to speak to him unless it's vital to the patient. I won't go out of my way to help him. And he struggles. He leaves on time still, but everyone in the hospital dislikes him and he never seems happy.
However we have some incredible junior doctors who go out of their way to stay late if its for the patient. Who listen to nurses. Who have great patient rapport. Whose seniors will take the time to educate them. And I (and most other nurses) look for them. If I see they're being bothered after hours, I'll direct my colleagues to take it to the on call. I'll educate them on their mistakes. And I'll always have their back if they have mine. They might not get out on time but they are far superior doctors that the first jackass, and their knowledge and professionalism is incredible for year ones.
Lesson being, if you want to be a doctor for selfish reasons, you'll struggle. Or if you want to be a doctor because you're a good human being, it's still a grind, you still get home late but in a supportive environment you'll do just fine. We have a junior doctor currently with two kids. And she's doing fine. It's stressful. She has good days and bad days, but I don't have a doubt she'll get through it.
It also depends what country you train and work in. The NHS is hard work, and we have many many junior doctors from the UK who have a much easier time in our country because the working conditions protect our juniors.
kate thanks this was extremely helpful
@@katenz100 Can I ask what country you're in?
Ex-Ward Manager from a psychiatric hospital here. I resigned recently because the expectations are so so high these days that they are simply not achievable. The care we are able to deliver due to continuing shrinking budgets is genuinely (and we no sense of irony) depressing.
I once averaged out the tasks I needed to do in a working week based on the past 6 months and realised that I needed to do 50 hours a week in my 37.5 hours just to have a chance of meeting the goals set. I managed over a ward where my staff were injured, in part because of the poor delineation between mental health, criminal culpability and drug misuse, and in further part due to the chronic lack of under-staffing. I watched patients getting the best care we could, but it still not being enough because of the lack of care available in the community meant that patients often cycled back into hospital.
Its not right. Its not fair. Nurses, even more so than doctors, are attacked, ridiculed, abused, neglected and ignored. If the public TRULY cared about the NHS they would send a message to the Politicans who run this country with their votes and stop supporting those who undermine our sacred NHS.
People are too misinformed and blame it on migrants instead of the ruling government.
It's even worse now that your sisters, our sisters, were clapped for weeks during the worst of the pandemic, and now are being vilified and crucified by the papers for striking - the same papers which freeloaded off a social media campaign
''Shrinking budgets''
>>>every year for the last decade record high budgets to the NHS.
Keep believing the lie. Can't handle that you were underworked and overpaid, that's the reality. Spoilt turnip.
It’s ridiculous really. U train for so long to be in such ‘high valued’ positions only to learn that the government don’t care about you or giving you the proper budget/tools for you to continue.
Love Russell for popularising Adam Kay, god knows he needs more screen time. Just read his book and it is an incredible, disgusting, hilarious eye opener. We need more people like him.
One thumb down.
I guess Hunt is allowed to vote too on CZcams.
Probably the bloke who made the chairs....
Hunt the Cunt
It's quite ironic that junior doctors struggle so much yet they are usually the absolute best especially with complex issues, you're still a person rather than a problem or a number which does happen in these understaffed and overcrowded hospitals
Best GP I ever had a was a junior doctor. Was devastated when I heard she had moved on on her rotation.
It's 1:00 and I'm just finished reading his book. Looking Kay up to see what his voice sounds like and whether he's still traumatized...
Sarah Greer that’s quite close to what I’m doing currently
Same as me! It’s 1230am just finished his amazingly true book... and wanted to hear his voice too
Voice ? What voice !
Spoken with such passion. Doesn’t exactly sound like someone who was just in it for the money!
willdow this is the kind of illusion the book was trying to break. Doctors get paid fuck all. As a Senior House officer, he was paid £6.60 an hour. Even without the extra 20% of hours put in for free accounted for, pay is piss poor. Doctors in the UK deserve twice what they get paid
Charlie Whelan,
Good doctors deserve more for sure.
How good was Kay, though ?
Maybe it is a good thing he left.
Wonder what some of his patients have to say about him !
apollonia Genuine question: how would a “good” doctor be determined?
apollonia This is one of the most common questions asked at med school interviews so you tell me. What is a good doctor.
He did not need the money - he had plenty from his family.
Such a good book!
There’s not many things that make me proud to be British. The NHS is a very rare exception
Proud that 50% of your nation's taxed income goes towards a failed experiment limping on its last legs? keep waving that flag, keep screaming how 25k/year for a 40 hour week is ''overworked'' and ''underpaid'' when 99% of the country earn far less than that, doing more hours than that.....
stunning and brave...
Best book. I read in years...Nhs my old employers I know exactly what he means.This book should be compulsory reading for patient and politicians alike.Adam you brilliant
Hands down the best book I have ever picked up- and I don’t want it to ever end
Such a brilliant book and a wonderful man. When I was reading it I could relate to so many of the experiences, good and bad
Only think about doctors when there is complaints to be made. Only selected can handle and deal with the pressure of this role. I appreciate Russell putting it into perspective, those complaining about their job should watch a day with NHS.
These guys deserve every penny.
If you think a doctor here deserves 70k/year, then you need a lobotomy. Seen the NHS backlog recently???????????????????????
The book is pretty accurate about how life is for junior doctors in Britain (and Australia!) and has been this way for decades. It was my experience in Australia, and my father's as well....
Well said mate. As a former nurse, if you get through a day without being covered in pee that isn't your own, it's an easy day. We used to have hospital laundries that washed our uniforms, then some bright spark decided that we could wash our own uniforms but domestic washers aren't built to thoroughly cleaned the type of nasties we're exposed to, plus your exposing you family to these nasties, perhaps we should have sent all our dirty uniforms to C/Hunt. Perhaps our clean uniforms aren't as clean as they were thus exposing patients to the residual nasties?
I saw Adam Kay live once, it was the most I’ve ever laughed. Such an intelligent, nice guy..
I think this is the only Russel Howard interview I have seen where Russell actually respects the guest and doesn't give slight digs.
Probably because he does respect him. I mean who wouldn't?
I’ve been seriously considering a career in medicine for a couple of years now, but I always had other options that I also wanted. After reading both of Adam Kay’s books, I’m certain that medicine is what I want to do. In short, he’s awesome
Good luck bro
The sad thing is, that as you go more to the East (in Europe) it gets worse and worse. I work as a resident doctor, and I have paid on multiple occasions for medicine or lab exams that they were too poor to pay themselves. I even have a small box of medicine in my locker for emergencies (it's not a rare phenomenon to find our clinic's actual emergency stock empty). Sadly the ministry of health in most countries heavily exploits the empathy of its workers.
Amazing book. Got to the end part and had to tried not to cry on a train. Although i should have and told people why i was crying and to read this book 😆 I love Russell but never noticing him interrupting/talking about his own experience so much when interviewing someone?!
Anyone else been picturing Will from The Inbetweeners narrating this book all along? Voice twins!
One thing he said is true, most doctors have had similar experiences, but few have written about it. The mistakes that you guilt about for a very long time, the few triumphs that sometime you are the only one how know about, being humiliated by your seniors, abused by patients. It's a wonder that more doctors don't quit the profession early.
cos 50k/year wipes away those tears quite easily. with rent and bills covered for by the taxpayer on TOP of that 50k/year.....
@@JejuIju clearly someone didn't listen at all...
I'm reading his book right now!! He's a naturally funny guy!!
get his book on audible he narrates it very well
Read his two books but would not like to listen to his silly voice !
love this interview!!
Whilst I had my fair share of awful and negligent care with quite frankly some of the worst doctors I’ve ever met. But to those who changed my life and have gone the extra mile, you never forget those. And what’s amazing to me is that it’s comes so normally to them. All NHS workers deserve so much more than this system gives them....
Maybe they weren't bad, just crushed by this awful Tory government.
@@burnedflowers141 Yes lad, nothing screams ''the tories ruined me'' like a 70k/year salary for going: ''you got the sniffles mate''.
Absolute melt. You unironically believe that labour didn't go to Eton? didn't do cocaine with the tories? didn't have the same family holidays? didn't all get along?....
You unironically think that ''muh tories'' are ''muh enemy'' but ''muh labour'' are ''muh saviour'' - you're a pure brainlet.
They are both, one and the same, but plebbs like you will NEVER understand that. Hate the tories? but LOVE labour? you're the problem. Love the tories, but hate labour? ditto.
They are one, and the same.
Corbyn - literal nazi.
Blair - illegal war.
Starmer - ignored muslim grooming gangs.
Yes, labour has QUITE the track record of protecting the working classes of this nation.
Melt.
ONE, AND THE SAME.
Why are we not doing anything about this if it’s something that is close to all our hearts?!?!?
We should make sure we do not end up with the likes of him !
Love love love the book!!!!
Great man Adam
Powerful.
Finished reading this book tonight. It’s a perfect way of seeing what life is like for those carrying out these jobs. And will make you wonder how the politicians can dare to make such bullshit claims.
I’m so late to the party but this book was incredible!
The 1 dislike is jeremy hunt
I feel for Dr Kay nearly starting to cry at one point.
He is my New favourite role model
Why do people act like doctors should not make money? Do you work for free? Med school cost a fortune, you work crazy hours, with huge pressure. If it was only about money, you could find a high paying job that doesn't include people dying, shit, piss, blood and vomit.
Med school is free in England mate.
Issue isn't doctors being paid.
Issue is doctors/NHS staff larping that they're peasants and paupers on 70k/year ON TOP of free rent/bills.
@@JejuIjuI'm sorry you are very wrong. Since the coalition government, medical school has gone up from £3000+ per year to more than £9000 per year multiplied by at least 5 years of university for locals in England (let's not mention international student fees as they will make your eyes water), and it has been decades since any junior doctor in England was given hospital accommodation - we pay for rent/bills like everyone else
It's adorable that he thinks Jeremy Hunt isn't a sociopath.
All the doctors i know who are F1s and F2s are planning ok taking AT LEAST one year out to recover from it as an ‘F3’ to decompress physically and emotionally
And then go to New Zealand
Even more so, thank you NHS during Covid-19
Love Adam Kay 😂
I just read the book. It is the funniest thing I've ever read.
I can confirm this book is hilarious
At the end when Kay was saying what he'd say to Hunt if he say him I really thought hunt was going to come out
I once wrote for a patient to have a single scotch every New Years Eve, for three consecutive years.
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So funny
This genuinely inspires me to become a doctor
Hopefully a better and more dedicated one.
Good Luck.
The last 30 seconds... am I right? Honestly.
Absolutely get them to shadow doctors
Jeezh
How did they not bring up the London underground song written by the amateur transplants. 🤣
The NHS can be very patchy. They can do some great work in fact in my personal case I cant really fault them other than perhaps waiting times. HOWEVER the NHS in west wales is a different story as I believe they possibly failed to save my father when they could have with quicker better diagnosis and far quicker actions. NHS cover in far west wales is not safe IMO...
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Is that the bloke who did that London Underground song omg
Yes, yes it is. Amateur Transplants
3 thumbs down who are these people?
Can some one please confirm: Is this the Adam Kay from Paracetamoxyfrusebendroneomycin?
Yes
Amateur Transplants FTW!
Meat in the room 😂
Hi
I agree with his point for nhs staff. But anyone who gose into private medical practice is on it for a new car.
I didn't know that Jeremy Hunt was an actual person. I assumed it was U.K. rhyming slang for something that features prominently in the working day of Ob/Gyn doctors...
Pretty sure giving an old lady in a hospital whisky is a stackable offence
It's really odd how all his stories are direct quotations from the book.
Sarah Greer possibly he has had consent to use the stories (or a very similar telling of a story) by the patient themselves. To use other stories may leave him open to a lawsuit? Im not sure about it all but confidentiality would have been considered for his book and this interview I think
London underground
nah we prefer it when hes screaming about the tube strikes
Brilliant book showing genital warts and all.
He reminds me of will from the inbetweeners
I like Russell, but I wish he'd let people finish their stories before intersecting.
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The nimble eggplant clearly hurry because pipe connoly float with a wandering wine. shaggy, accurate gold
First view
First viewing
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Many kids in our day are to busy focusing on makeup and looking pretty online, no wonder doctors are declining they can’t deal with the gruesome stuff.
what do you mean? That young people/potential medical students are less resilient to the unglamorous reality of medicine?
well that's load of bs
I think it must be hard for kids today because they see these CZcams stars who seem to make millions and have flash cars/houses/gear from not doing much work at all. They don't realise that 1. Usually that YT star has rich parents or a wealthy contact who's set them up initially and/or 2. There are thousands of people trying and not succeeding to reach the same level but of course we only see the successful ones.
Cybta IT and when you put it into perspective that you spend 7+ years training to be a doctor only to realise that your hour to pay ratio isn't great and that patient safety is being undermined by the government who want changes in the healthcare system. I'd say it's got less to do with 'the gruesome stuff' and more about if there is a job at the end of your training-especially for those who have come to the UK to become uk doctors. tbh I'm not fussed by the 'gruesome stuff' and if anything it becomes interesting since you can compare real life injuries to those portrayed by the media/game industry
Violet Moon I presume by your comments that you are training to be or are in the healthcare field. Good for you. :) I'm pretty sure that if you've trained in the UK then your qualifications are recognised/respected worldwide (I'm in NZ btw) so you could travel if you wanted to.
He is a light weight. Many kids from wealthy schools who are pushed to be doctors just are too lazy to work in NHS. Many poor kids, or ethnic minority kids from working class backgrounds had to work hard to get into medical school and they often make the best doctors as are grateful/ hard working been in a GP.
Sorry, what do you know about it?
What the fuck would you know about Adam's experience as a doctor, you disgusting person?
NHS is great and doctors/nurses are amazing but doctors are still paid too much though....and the job is often a result of a priviledged education and upbringing.
and then people like Rusell gets paid x10 too much... its disgusting.
how about cleaners and labourers and drivers and everyone else who keeps society going who get paid less than 25% of what a lot of doctors get and less than 5% of what Rusel gets.
Tax russel and 90%
As a junior doctor, I earn less than £13 an hour. Now that doesn't sound too bad, does it? But then remember that I'm not working cushy 9-5 shifts, I'm working whatever hours I'm required to work. Nights, weekends, bank holidays, Christmas day, whatever I'm told to work I do. On top of that, how many days a week do you reckon we leave on time? I'll give you a clue, it's not often. There are days where we stay hours late unpaid to make sure our patients are safe regardless of whether that patient is screaming abuse in our face. Then there are all of the fees to actually remain a doctor, our annual registration fee, indemnity insurance, etc which we pay monthly, yet another drain on our salary that we have no real control over.
Do you still truly believe that £13 an hour is too much to pay for a doctor? Do you really think that their role in helping to save your relatives' life is worth less than £13 an hour? That's sad to hear. It's no wonder that so many doctors are becoming disheartened and choosing to leave the NHS. This government doesn't value the job we do (nor does it value the hugely & in my opinion, more important job that nursing colleagues do, or the other healthcare roles our hospitals rely on to function). Doctors and nurses are leaving this country in droves to work abroad where working conditions, pay, and progression is better but rather than do something to stop this, the government sits idly by. And with supporters like yourself, no wonder they get away with it.
Last thing. Not all of us come from privileged upbringings. We worked hard to get the grades to get into medical school, and we worked even harder to pass our medical degrees. And now we continue to work hard to pass ongoing examinations to progress through our career (examinations and courses which are extortionately expensive and paid for by us personally). Don't diminish us and suggest we deserve to be paid less just because we've worked hard all our lives.
I love my job and I love helping my patients (whether that be helping them to get better and leave the hospital, or helping them to have a peaceful and dignified death) but my god, it's beginning to wear thin how much the government have tricked the public into seeing us as the devil for asking to be paid what we are worth.
@@Aa-ne8fr most people don't do 9-5 anymore other than teachers and civil servents. What you e said applies to police soldiers cleaners film crews wear House workers cooks drivers pilots ect
@@Aa-ne8fr this blows my mind that people could ever question why should a doctor deserve to be paid more... 13 an hour that is robbery... that is robbery... I live in the US.. our Healthcare System is ridiculous.. the only people with good insurance is the rich and the poor because the government provides them with it.. but the rest of us would give anything to have something like the NHS what those crazy people are taking for granted over there.. of course you guys deserve so much more
Have no respect for him.
He should have left medicine in his first year... better still, when he was still studying !
Well, he has found a void occupation : trying to make people laugh with his awful voice.
I would love to hear from some of his ex-patients !
Are you a doctor?
Nat,
As a matter of fact, yes I am.
@@apollonia6656 haha I wasn't trying to make a point with that question just curious. Why do you not respect him? Do you not relate to some of the things he talks about at all? :)