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In our latest Elder Scrolls: Skyrim video, we discuss the Thalmor perspective of man, and why these high elves think they suck.
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Imagine being a high elf who agrees with everything stated in this video then soon learning you're a part of an ancient nordic prophecy, the Dragonborn.
*Problems in playing Skyrim as an Altmer: Part one*
And imagine THEN joining the Stormcloaks
@@Rockcroc2000Rm1wE3erWmNfkL Hey, best way to defeat an enemy and conquer their land is to infiltrate their ranks, by becoming Dragonborn, and then leave the country on its own, unable to receive outside help, by removing the Empire from Skyrim. SKYRIM BELONGS TO THE MER!
If you want to do a real alter,thalmor build let the war rage on so both side use up their men and resources but if you have to pick a side ho stormcloak because they have no real allies out of Skyrim and they can’t really run away either you could pretend to be an undercover agent so that justifies killing your own men
[Internal screaming]
"Take an elf who could had 500 years vs a man who has only had 30 years to practice. Who would win?"
Me: Akatosh
its auri-el you dimwit
The one with the wabbajack, of course.
@@mythshark409 Tss, you are obviously confused my pointy ears friend, Auri-El is just a fanfic of the great god of Humans, Akatosh. Case in point, Alessia received help from the Dragon God, not you the Altmer clan of suckers known (before genocide) as Ayleids.
But don't worry, it's no big deal, you can continue, no one cares. Especially not your god, it seems so.
Auri-El is just how some people call him, nothing more
@@DarthKader Elves are superior ?
Then how comes history is dominated by humans, and not elves ?
I mean, despite your fancy magic and technology, and the era of the elves lasted but a fraction of the era of men.
You're so powerful you can't even comprehend how weak and pathetic you are.
Dwemer: Why literally being sucks
So, hey. I am a safety technician here in this dwemer laboratory and I sorta hate my life
@@IWillLeakYourIPDontTryMe Yeah imma activate the numideum and make my entire species vanish. That's how depressing my life is.
Think about it, instead of revenge they were like, get us some of that action
i laughed out loud at this
"I'm not a man, but neither am i a boy" - Jarl Ballin'
"funny"
Baby I'm looord of the rings
@@ra_alf9467 yes... "funny"...
Ra Alf “”funny””
Ill jist continue this... "Funny"
The Thalmor I encountered had a dramatically shortened life expectancy.
Thalmor lifespan in Alinor 500 years.
Thalmor lifespan upon entering Skyrim... 12 steps
Hahaha! Hard to resist killing them isn't it
Anthony Dolan I make it my life’s purpose that all Thalmor I meet must die, think of me as the thalmor equivalent of a Terminator
@@ripteargaming600 racist
they came to a rather suprising and sudden end, who know that "axe tot he face" was such a common disease in skyrim and that it was so fatal for the Thalmor
Fun fact: if you are an Altmer and you disguise yourself in Thalmor Robes, the Thalmor Embassy Soldiers won't be hostile.
Ebony Ember LIES, the engine isn't that smart.... is it?
Joel Nigga The disguise works until you enter Elenwen's Solar :)
I am actually tried this and it works, if you wore the thalmor cloth and you are any race (you can find some in the embassy during the quest) the soldiers will say "let me see your face" once they see that you are not a high elf they will attack. if you were a high elf, they will say "why aren't you at your post".
Ebony Ember whaaat!? I had idea! Thats awesome!
Markus Andersson Yeah, isn't it?! ^_^
Thalmor soldier: * have been training for hundreds of years *
Thalmor soldier: * still uses novice level destruction spells *
“ELVEN SUPREMACY IS THE ONL-WHUAUGHH”
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
It's almost as if skyrim makes no sense.
Is it wrong that I always wanted to kind of side with the Thalmor in Skyrim? The Empire is a shadow of its former self, the Nords are idiots. Ya know?
@Adam Edward how do trump supporters sound?
To every elf you slay, whisper in their ear:
"I was a leek farmer for 30 years and last week I thought adventuring would be neat."
Fuck the talmor, beat them barehands and teabag everytime you win
No, I can only go so far...
Or one better:
“I used to be a farmer, then you brought your problems to my land…”
😂
All of you suck. The worst thing they did was start a war and outlaw a fucking warlord who couldn't stop at his own ambitions
So every time I slaughter a high elf, I'm beating someone who in theory, has had decades more training than myself? Way to inflate my ego.
^Yes
Captain Obvious Thanks, Captain Obvious.
But you are the legendary, unstoppable warrior of legend -dragonborn- PLAYER CHARACTER!
but the dragonborn is practically a demigod
It makes it Hilarious though, how during the Oblivion Crisis, a Sap drinking pondscum could kill people with literally 100 years of training in straight combat. The hero of the oblivion crisis is "Nothing Special" aside from their uncanny luck.
Why Humanoids Suck - A Dragons Perspective
They can't fly, oh fuck he downloaded the flying mod KILL HIM NOOOOW
Why mortals suck -Mehrunes dagon perspective
Gods perspective Why mortal suck they don't live forever
why humanoids suck a mudcrabs perspective
Cease fire “That Septim guy happens to be an admin, it was not very pleasant”
High Elven swordsman with 500 years of exp , nord with 30 years of exp ..who wins.
The Argonian Dragonborn with 30 min of exp.
Tell 'em.
I would tell you that isen't cannon but with dragonbreak in the equation the last dragonborn is somehow all races of men and mer att once.
@Mr Stxne Alxne Makes you wonder, since High Elves generally seem much cleaner and tidier than humans.
You're god damn right.
@@nicolaszan1845 they ARE healthier and cleaner
elves, nords, redguard, lizard people, or cat people. everyone is just a walking loot to me
@@Muzaffar127 also breton
How did everyone forget orc the best race!
elves, nords, redguard, lizard people, or cat people. Tell me why I should waste a single thought on any of you.
Boys, girls, dogs, elders - theres nobody I wont fight!
dontworry boutit nah it’s khajjit
Wow. Even the notorious evil assholes have a deep, shockingly believable story that drives them. This is what makes Elder Scrolls great.
yes, too many shock revelations. awesome.
Still, very confusing.
I absolutely love how nobody is realizing that the Thalmor are really, really similar to the Nazis, even when taken from their perspective.
Just compare the (actual unbiased) history of the Nazis to the Thalmor. They're incredibly alike.
They're not 'evil' for seeing through humanity's bullshit. And according to the lore of the series, the Empire's society was based on Altmer traditions and customs. So really, the Altmer have spent the last 700 years or so watching Men bastardize their culture while constantly boasting about how great they are.
Bestest Kitty You can't really compare them to Nazis since the Gods existence have measurable effects in TES. Nazis relied heavily on escape goats for political agendas.
And you think the Altmer aren't scapegoating humans?
The elven religions are based around reaching divinity via the teachings of their favoured gods. For the Dunmer, this is the worship of Azura. For the Wood Elves they worship the forests and for the Altmer, they *used* to worship Auri-El, but lost the teachings of Auri-El somewhere in the past, which resulted in the current (as of Skyrim) Aldmeri Dominion. This is a result to them losing this means to reach divinity (which is mirrored directly from Nazism, wherein Nazi ideology stated that the germanic peoples were once gods, but due to *OTHER* races lost their godhood) and so they seek to literally destroy humanity in order to re-attain godhood by controlling the world, which is also a direct mirror to Nazi ideology. At this point, it has very little to do with the gods actually having real effect on the world as A: if they destroy the world they'll join with the gods and give the pantheon back a lot of their power, B: due to the Oblivion Crisis and Auri-El/Akatosh helping humanity for so damn long (since the Aelid rebellion leading to the first empire) they're probably feeling a bit salty about Akatosh on its own and C: they're also looking to get back at the creators of humanity, Shor/Ysmir/Lorkhan and Kyne/Kynareth/Kynarti for what they think, was stealing their divinity to make Nirn and humanity.
All of these are direct parallels to Nazi ideology. I know it'll turn your stomach to read, but Mein Kampf is a fascinating look into the mind of a rational madman and his beliefs, and gives great insight into the ideology behind what he did.
It’s cause Isildur didn’t cast the ring into the fire
Wrong universe man
@@eduardolapenda7268 No it is the right universe.
@formless777 #bilbobagginsimnottryingtorobyou
Kin died so he could keep the ring......
@@rasheedqe c0da makes it all canon
I think it’s funny how humans can kill elves in combat. 500 years of combat training, and you lose to a guy who hasn’t even been alive 30 years.
You could attribute a lot of that to elves simply underestimating men, but after a while it becomes ridiculous that seasoned, century-old elven warriors can eat shit to fledgling young adults.
@@Resi1ience I like to think that elves are REALLY slow learners. Kind of like how baby horses can walk right after being born and humans need over a year. Elves probably need 10 years to learn to walk.
@@montanawhite5699 plus most of them are mages, and unless you're mannimarco, you're gonna have a hard time stopping a nord from shoving 50 pounds of steel up your ass
@@montanawhite5699 also with how long they live it's possible they mature slower than humans anyway, like how in alot of fiction elves are still children when they're eighty
@@Resi1iencemost the time when i come across a skirmish between the Thalmor and any other person they decide to fight with they win . Though they dont fight well agaisnt stormcloaks ive noticed unless they have a mage, if its just 3 foot soldiers they'll lose.
Imagine being a dragonborn constantly dragged into everyone elses problems all while being paid minimum wage and only gaining peoples respect by risking your life for stupid books and low quality loots >0
Thats a security guard to me
Gaining people respect? You killed the world eater and still being hunted for killing a damn chicken.
i’d be shouting too damn 😓
This is why you say "fuck it" and join the Dark Brotherhood and start worshipping the Daedra.
Minimum wage? Nurelion pays you 5 gold for finding his phial, lmao.
“I AM NO MAN!”
**chops off Alduin’s head with a great-sword**
Madame Ghostie *removes helmet; is Eowyn*
Nokits Ackerman ; is Merry, Eowyns pet hobbit.
"I am no man!" *removes helmet* "I am an argonian!"
That was one of my fav scenes in the movie!
I AM NO MAN
Wips out titties
36 Questions Mer have for Men.
SEANN hah lol
That redefined 'mansplaining' real quick. Though Tiber Septim would be the pro manspreader. Can't keep his kingdom to himself. :p
LOL
You sir made my day.
Why do you feel the need to conquer everybody? Is it to prove something to us?
Thalmor be like
"Why you booing me I'm right"
Robin Ydal me be like: FUS ROH DAH
originaler 31er ok but they still be right though.
@Cactus Juice Thousand times better than trying to annihilate Falmers during the ancient era. There aren't exactly any completely just race in Tamriel, but some are more just than other. Nords are just barbarians that kill based of emotions, not justice.
I wish you could tell Ondolemar: "I wanna agree with you, but you're too late!"
Don't want to get biased or anything but the Nords only killed the snow elves because they attacked them first. And as for the high elfs, they want to get revenge for being conquered by Tiber Septim. Both have reasons of course. Thalmors banned the worship of Talos for their emotions too.
Really wish becoming part of the Thalmor was an option, if only to have more options and things to explore in-game.
"Anakin, the elves are evil!"
"From my point of view, the humans are evil!"
had to be said.
THEN YOU ARE LOST!!!
LAVA GROUND!!!!!
"It's over, Dovahkiin! I have the high ground!"
Trey Pehl From my point of view you have the lava ground!
Lava ground!!!!!!!
That's why I like the Elder Scrolls Lore, The history is very nuanced. There are some Nords that are racist but they have a bad history with elves, like the massacre at Saarthal. Argonians and Khajiit are seen as drug thieves which in some cases are true and it doesn't help I am a cutthroat Khajiit in my playthroughs. The Dark elves may get shit in Windhelm for the wrong reasons but in Morrowwind they are enslaving Argonians.
Every race has some baggage on their head and I appreciate the lore team isn't making one out to be better than the others.
Good video.
Though personally I find High Elves to easily be the worst. Yes, Tiber Septim was wrong to attack the summerset isles, but then to use that as an excuse to attempt to wipe an entire race from existence is pretty sad. Then to go preaching about blasphemy and heresy while beliving that they have the basic *right* to godhood makes me think that all of their culture is based entirely around being better than everyone else.
High Elves are pretty messed up. The Nords are racist to elves, then the High Elves take it to another level and become race supremacists. They are now trying to conquer the mainland.
Pretty messed up.
it's like real life yay!
The Nords wiped the snow elves off the face of the earth though...
the high elves don't enslave people tho they use goblins lol... i honestly think nords are the most racist in all of tamriel, high elves just have high standards, Bretons are cute but dumb, orcs just keep to themselves, khajiits are cute kitties but are drug dealers lmao imperial are cowards, wood elves are vicious af
imagine how many more wars we'd have if we lived 1k years
Actually, we would have less.
Longer life span lead to lower natality, which would lead to a revalorization of life
My favourite Elder Scrolls Quote "Why the Race of Men suck including their Women" Makes me smile each time I hear that.
Relax everyone it doesn't mean "why males suck" it means "why humans suck"
It's like everyone's on guard waiting for some video to post that's gonna piss them off just so they can hate, often seems like a sad world of masochists we live in these days.
Dan D. We aren't being serious.
You may not be serious but you can't speak for all the others who left comments, hopefully most aren't being serious but with the way things are these days more than half probably are.
Most of them are trolls, They're just cracking jokes for the most part, I haven't seen one that looked serious yet. and I doubt even a SJW would say something so retarded (Should I really be doubting that..?) they most likely don't even accoate with video games because they think they're all abusive to woman etc. (Which some are but it's a select few). and I just passed out gonna take that as a sign to get to bed.
Elves are superior to men in some ways and men are superior to elves in some ways as well. Most notable ones being the breeding rate between the two species.
There should have been a quest for people who wanted to side with the Thalmor maybe after joining the Empire the High Elves would approach you offering a position as a spy. Not that I would have joined them but it would still be a cool option.
True
They already included that option essentially. It's the "Join the Stormcloak Rebellion" option since Ulfric Stormcloak works for the Thalmor.
GodspeedHero not really, thy are playing everyone so war goes on, also he doesn't know he sorta works for them
@@vaevictus4637 Nah he doesnt work for them anymore, he just unwittingly plays into their hands, backing the Empire of Man is the only solid choice, not the rebellion puppets
@@jm6456 exactly. some people just cannot read with understanding. In the Diary, They are indirectly helping ulfric and he isn't aware of it. They just want civil war to continue.
High Elf Dragonborn: "Elves and Humans? Oh, you mean those walking treasure chests."
“Too short-lived and short-sighted to acquire the wisdom of the elven people” DANG
When the elves accept mankind for what it is, mankind will accept that talos is a god not worth worship. This is to say, never.
I seen the title. I instantly fell into a pit of darkness. Then I seen the rest if the title.
First darkness and despair and then light.
Hacim saw*
basically dead That which have been sawed cannot be unsawed.
Why Men Suck - A Thalmor~
Dfq wahahahaha
Yeah my first thought was "Wait is there some drow-like Straw Misandrist lore in Thalmor history that I don't know of?"
Then I realized it was Men as opposed to Mer not Men as opposed to Women.
I never thought of it like that before, and yes, this did alter my viewpoint a bit as to the Thalmor's reasoning. It's pretty understandable now why they despise Talos and want all worship of him eradicated. It's a lot deeper than just 'grrr humans suck and can't become gods'. Still dosent justify their actions, but at least I get it.
Sadserpent Another tid bit the construction of the Numidian also decimated the Khajiit of Elsweyr effecting their land even to this day and burnt a path through Valeenwood, it is not just the Altmer who have reasson to hate him.
Death Watch Trooper. the Numidian attacked elsweyr and valenwood too? I didn't know that, I've only here how it attacked summerset isles
milward78 The Numidian was built in Elsweyr which ressulted in the deaths of thousands of Khajiit and left a large area of land poisoned. Then it had to get to the Summerset by marching through Valenwood burning the land as it went.
Death Watch Trooper I thought the tribual of morrowind gave the Numidian to tiber septim, how did it end up in elsweyr,
milward78 Tiber Septim did not receive the Numidian in one solid peace he had to smuggle it out of Morrowind in sections and then find a power source for it. The reconstruction of the Numidian was done in Elsweyr because they did not want it built in Cyrodiil.
Thalmor amuse me . The have had centuries to master their craft. Yet they drop like flies when faced with Ash guardians and Ash Spawns.
The Thalmor are hilariously weak. I've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than them.
I know right but canonically they are stronger than the empire. Very unimmersive lol
@@bean_7325 I mean I would say the imperial soldiers aren't exactly strong so that's not much of an improvement lol
Your gameplay=/=Actual strength of the faction
@@borrburison648 > me one shotting dagoth ur after having maxed out stats
"Dur hur this demi god is so weak!!!"
Why are youtube comments so stupid lol.
I will admit the Thalmor are better than my Nordic kin... better at dying.
Well I hope this is a joke cuz if it isn't you didn't learn anything of this video now did you?
Heck! My imperials are better by far
Elves make a nice *squish* under my battleaxe.
@@clericofgreed4351*Denounces the elven ancestors*
Cleric of greed r/wooosh
Man wants to become super powerful mage, but lives to short, so man becomes a vampire and lives forever. End of story
Talos is no god you filthy heretic
Or become a mudcrab. Just go to ask for it at sheogoraths shrine. He'll happily turn you.
I'm talking from experience
Cyanide Slushie Talos ascended to some higher plane of existence based on blessings and intervention in Morrowind, but that doesn't make him Aedra or Divine.
silverblade357 but you cant find him in sovngarde
KevkyHD You can't find numerous other heroic Nords in Sovngarde either. That doesn't mean they also became one of the Divines, cosmic beings that gave of their own power to build the mortal world of Nirn. Why would being a bloody conqueror responsible for the deaths of thousands grant him that kind of promotion?
This gets down to the fundamental problem with elves as a concept in fiction. They are manifestly superior to humans in almost every way that matters, and hence pose something of a problem for writers in that they have to justify why elves don't either dominate humans entirely or preside over them as a ruleing class.
In the original Tolkien conception of elves they seem superior to humans, but they don't see themselves as such and in fact regard humans as the mysterious and superior ones since humans can escape the world when they die and move on to a new existence, where as the elves are eternally trapped in this universe and can't ever venture beyond it. (They are simply reborn on another continent when they die)
This is a factor that is extremely specific to Tolkiens own cosmology though and did not really translate to the other fictional work that borrowed his conception of fantasy elves hence generations of fictional elves who are better than humans full stop, and who are only kept from dominating the setting by human plot armor.
In the old D&D games this was solved by making elves really slow learners...You generate a 1st level character and roll for their age, which ends up being somewhere in the 100 - 200 years old range. Whereas your average 1st level human character is only like 19 years old. Then they progress in levels at the same rate ... but Elves have a level cap and humans don't. So they begin learning skills really late in life, and never really get ultra-super powerful. Sucks to be you, elves!
That's not really true in TES though. As mentioned in the video, they have longer lifespans and improved magical abilities (though generally lacking the power of Thu'um), and that's about it. Humans have faster growing populations and superior martial prowess. This aligns pretty well with the TES lore/history, in that elves had older, magic-focused civilizations that were more sophisticated due to accumulated knowledge over longer lives, whereas humans were still eventually able to conquer with pure military might, numbers, and in the case of the Nords, the voice. The question of the video is more whether elves are "better" in some subjective, cultural sense rather than being more overall more powerful or capable.
You also forget that with superiority also comes wisdom (in the case of Tolkien) men breed fast and expand fast in that world. It is much better to have them as a semi-ally then conquer them.
Not to mention it's just morally wrong, and being the more intelligent almost immortal race they are they probably as a whole favor doing the right thing.
Elves also like the status quo and dont really wanna fuck shit up as they are tied to the magic in the world (a whole other discussion as this is actually a huge weakness) whereas men are not.
Also dont forget that the creator and God in Tolkens universe SAYS HIMSELF THAT MEN ARE HIS FAVORITE CREATION. Not exactly the best idea to enslave gods favorite pet project lol.
Elves are more skilled, more magical, and much longer lived. However in a war of scale the humans massively increased birth rate evens things out.
Jacob G Humans are also physically a lot stronger.
picks high elf joins stormcloaks
savage level:1000
No I just wanted a good mage
Southwestern spy!!!!!!
For real my every playthrough though
Makes sense though, you'd be weakening the empire
I actually did that, then again my high elf is a mildly psychotic vampire who only cares about her personal amusement and doesn't give a flying fuck about the Thalmor or their ideals. She became a Stormcloak *solely* for the sheer lulz of forcing people whose core belief is "Skyrim belongs to the Nords" to acknowledge an Altmer as their hero and savior and answer to her under the pain of death. The ultimate act of trolling
Prediction: elder scrolls 6 we play in the 2nd great war against the thalmor
And lose
I hope elder scroll 6 allow us to explore tamriel but well I'm expecting too much right hahaha
@@horacthy8577 probably won't happen lol its too much work and bethesda is lazy af
Bethesda will never greenlight the Pelinal standalone in the DOOM engine. Why even live.
Maybe Todd Howard will give us all the sweet ability to genocide the altmer in a grand elven holocaust.
They've probably suffered from erectile disfunction for 900 years, that's gotta be depressing.
McGeouch No wonder they seem a bit pissy.
Just look at Calcelmo
Hey, I am an Altmer. We have an awesome alteration spell known as erectus that keeps our dick up for days on end!
I'm sure you mix Erectus with Woodflesh to get some extra potency.
McGeouch That's irrelevant. Even if we did, we have mastery of the spell stone flesh. Just in case we feel like being as...solid(😏) as rock. FYI, it feels great.
Seems like you had a high elf holding a razor to your throat while you were writing your script.
Nah milk drinkers won't dare go near a knife, they probably threatened them with politics and other stupid word stuff... meanwhile I SLAUGHTERED 127 ELVES WITH A FUCKING FORK!
Damn those High Elves to Oblivion
Foul heretics, GLORY TO THE ALDMERI DOMINON!
This is a terrible name Just wait for the second great war when the Empire kicks your eleven asses.
Ethan Salazar , now u see the truth!! That is the eleven superiority!!!! Long live the Thalmor!
Insecure mortal men vs CHAD immortal Mer
Nah m8te
I loved the way you described Tiber Septim as a neanderthal. Perfect description. lmao!
The empire will remember that the stromcloaks will remember that hero of kvatch will remember akatosh will remember that talos will remember that
An old pervert Neanderthal who forced a girl to get an abortion.
@@averageenclavegeneral7039 oh goodness sheogorath is coming to the summer set isles in full blade gear ready to kill everyone there
I always thought that the reason the Thalmor outlawed Talos worship was to spur on the rebellion. The Thalmor occupied the Imperial City for two years before being driven out. Since neither the Thalmor or Imperials were able to beat each other in the Great war, they had to come up with a treaty for the time being.
Ulfric was an Imperial soldier that had been captured during the Great War and had been interrogated by Elenwen. He "escaped" later returning home. The Thalmor would know a lot about him, including his feelings toward Talos. During that time the Forsworn had taken over Markarth and was trying to become a recognized kingdom in the eyes of the rest of the world. After the Great War had ended and the treaty signed, the Empire wanted the Reach back, creating a militia lead by Ulfric in order to push them out. After overthrowing Madanach, Ulfric demanded to allow Talos worship within Markarth before he ceded control of the city. The Empire said sure, but the Thalmor (knowing Ulfric's beliefs) insisted on rigid adherence to the treaty. This pissed Ulfric off and was a key moment in starting the rebellion.
When you are in the Thalmor base and read Ulfric's dossier - he is listed as a "dormant asset" that they no longer have direct contact with. Implying that he was once and asset and that they did have direct contact with him. This also implies his escape from the Thalmor wasn't actually an escape in the first place, meaning they either let him escape or simply freed him. The Markarth incident is what made him too angry to talk to the Thalmor anymore, and spurring the rebellion.
What I thought was that during the war the Thalmor realized that Ulfric could be a useful tool to them. His zealous belief in Talos could potentially be used against him. I imagine Elenwen would have insisted on the White-Gold Concordat being upheld in Markarth simply to anger Ulfric.
But why do this? Why start a rebellion in Skyrim in the first place? One, the Thalmor are not strong enough to defeat the Empire outright, and need to break off pieces so that it's more conquerable. Two, should Skyrim leave the Empire they lose access to Skyrim's warriors, lumber, and silver. Three, this would also deplete some of the Empire's resources in a needless fight. Four, should Skyrim leave, that means the Empire must pull out of Skyrim too.
They will also want the Thalmor to leave, but here's the thing. They won't. I figured that the Thalmor's plan was that after Skyrim - in a now weakened state after just fighting a war and no longer having the support of the Empire - will be easy pickings for the Thalmor to conquer. Also, Skyrim not being in the Empire anymore means that the White-Gold Concordat doesn't apply to them. If Skyrim's on it's own, there is no treaty protecting them from a full Thalmor assault. And the Thalmor can do it legally without violating the terms of the treaty. Then the Thalmor can take their resources for themselves.
But another BIG point that nobody seems to think about is the fact that Skyrim is Cyrodil's northern border. The Imperial city is almost straight south from Helgen, over the mountains. This also means that the Empire actually couldn't defend Skyrim because that would mean violating the treaty and potentially starting another war they aren't prepared to fight. This literally puts the Empire in a position that they cannot defend their northern border from being taken over. This would put the Thalmor at a huge strategic advantage, because they will have free access to points very close to the heart of the Empire, while the Empire won't be anywhere near Summerset Isle. I always thought that the move to ban Talos worship was purely a strategic one - not a moral one.
Well reasoned, and this is why I back the Empire. The Empire is temporarily appeasing the Thalmor for strictly political/military reasons, not because they condone the Thalmor. Whereas the Rebellion are inadvertently playing into the hands of the Thalmor. Ulfric and his lot are too short sighted to realize that even if they win the rebellion against the Empire, they're doomed. They're not only a bunch of nationalist, racist bastards, they're dumb as well. Good riddance the Rebellion. Would be cool if TES VI comes with this exact history included. The rebellion wins, and then the Thalmor kick their arses.
'A stormcloack victory is also to be avoided' the same thalmor dossier about ulfric. If stormcloacks pull it off, they would be a considerable threat to the thalmor, thus the elves just want to prolong the war, not pick a side and win. Everything that fuels the war further comes to their advantage
Talos is also the warden of mankind in TeS. Reasons are both political, magical and of envy. In tes world aedras are dead, theyr blessings still "work" because people worship them. Talos blessings reduces shout countdown of 0% : it is useless. Probably because only in skyrim he is still prayed. And also the merkind are descendents of the aedras, but a man achieved Chim before one of them. They want to damnatio memoriae Tiber septim.
Dianna Bowen this has been the most helpfull answer, honestly.. but still why do you think that the thalmor also stated that a stormcloak victory should be avoided? do you think that if skyrim and empire are seperated that would double the forces against the thalmor? even of skyrim has withdrawn from the empire the hate for the thalmor is just as same, and all the more reason for the nords to conduct their own skirmishes against the thalmor since theres no treaty to stop them? now the thalmor would have the nords to deal with while semi-expecting plots from the empire itself? if skyrim becomes independant could the empire secretly and indirectly aid the nords in their skirmishes just to preoccupy the thalmor and launch their own from beneath the thalmors nose then finally regain allaince with skyrim with the abolishing the ban of the worship of talos now that the empire has regained higher ground? ☺
Dianna Bowen it’s a bit of both you see the thalmor don’t only want Elven rule on Tamriel they want to completely undo all of creation so they could go back to being et ada see fudgemuppets video on the thalmors secret plan for more information
When it all comes down to the events of the Dawn Era, elves and men have always been predestined to war. There is a huge conflict of religion that goes far beyond just Talos. Ever heard of Shor, the Nordic God of the Underworld, also known as Shezzar, the Missing God to the Imperials? Well, the Elves know him as Lorkhan. Lorkhan the Betrayer. See, the elves are decendants of the Old Elnofey, who themselves are decended from the Divines themselves. Also, the Divines used to be as powerful as the Daedra. When Lorkhan created the mortal plane of Mundus, he enlisted the help of the Aedra and many other divine beings to do so. Magnus and his followers fled creation upon realizing they were losing their power as a result of the creation of Mundus, and those who stayed, that is, the eight Aedra and countless Elnofey, lost their divinity and became mortal. After a few generations, they became the Elves, while other lesser Elnofey became the lesser creatures and other forces of nature. This was an act of total betrayal to the elves, because it is due to Lorkhan's actions that they ever die at all.
On the other hand, when Lorkhan was creating the mortal plane of Mundus, he also used his power and Kyne's to create a new race to inhabit the mortal plane; the race of men. While elves believe that Lorkhan is a god to be reviled, men believe Lorkhan, or Shor, to be their chief deity as they owe their existance to him, and they also believe that Lorkhan did not trick the Aedra, but that they in fact gave up their divinity willingly so that they could exist. You can already begin to see the potential religious disagreements.
Talos really just adds insult to injury, and it all goes back to Lorkhan/Shor. While everything in this video is true, and it alone would be reason enough for the elves to be frustrated, there is also one other aspect of Talos to consider. You see, most people aren't quite informed about Talos, and the life of Tiber Septim. Talos the God is actually not Tiber Septim, but rather the combined souls of three different Shezarrines, including Tiber Septim, Zurin Arctus, and Ysmir Wulfharth. When Tiber died, he did not immediately rise to divinity. We know this because Talos was not a god in Daggerfall or Arena. See, way back in the Mythic Era, long before Tiber was even born, Ysmir Wulfharth was the first Shezarrine, or Aspect of Shor. He borrowed power from Shor himself to defeat House Dagoth at the Battle of Red Mountain, but Dagoth Ur struck him with Sunder, one of Kagrenac's instruments of Tonal Architecture, capable of rewriting the laws of the world. As a result, Wulfharth had his powers sundered from him and he became an undead being. He would from now on be known as the Underking, an immortal decaying zombie that would turn to ash upon being killed, but then reform. Much, much later, he met Tiber Septim as he was forming his Third Empire. Zurin Arctus was his battlemage, and also a Shezzarine. Arctus was among the best mages to ever live, and Tiber consulted him for divinations and artifacts of power to use in his conquest. When they aquired the Numidium from Vivec, Vivec did not give them the means to power it; the Heart of Lorkhan. Instead, Zurin Arctus would have to create a new way to power the Numidium. The result of this is steeped in controversey and contradiction. Some claim that Zurin Arctus and Ysmir Wulfharth gave up their souls for the creation of the power source willingly, while others claim Tiber Septim in fact took them by force, or even gave up his own heart, but the result was the creation of the Mantella, a powerful soul gem containing the souls of Arctus and Wulfharth. By using the souls of two Aspects of Lorkhan, Tiber found his substitute for the Heart of Lorkhan. Considering how Daggerfall ultimately ends, it looks likely that Tiber Septim did in fact engage in some devious actions to power the Numidium. Later, when he died, he did not rise to divinity.
Here is how Talos actually became a God. In the events of Daggerfall, you are asked to retrieve the Mantella and either give it to one of the kingdoms so that they can conquor the Iliac Bay with it, give it to the Empire so that they can do the same, give it to Mannimarco, or give it to the Underking. See, when the Underking had his soul extracted to fuel the Mantella, he did not actually die, as the very concept of death no longer applied to him after Dagoth Ur struck him with Sunder in Red Mountain. In order to die, the Underking would have to destroy the Mantella. He wanted this to happen as he could no longer bear living as an undead creature. This happens no matter what ending you chose in Daggerfall. The reason why is because of the nature of the Numidium and the Mantella itself. They use Tonal Architecture on a level which Kagrenac and the Dwemer as a whole were not even prepared for, and so every time someone activates the Numidium, what is known as a Dragon Break occurs. During a Dragon Break, very strange things happen to time and to the laws of Mundus itself. The first time the Numidium was activated, the resulting Dragon Break caused the uncertainty of the events of the Battle of Red Mountain as far as what happened to Nerevar is concered as well as the Dissapearance of the Dwemer. When Tiber activated it, it caused the uncertainty of what happened to Wulfharth that we just talked about. It also caused the time during which Tiber conqured Alinor to be lost to history, which is why there are no clear accounts of what happened as opposed to the other provinces. This time, when the Mantella was used either to activate the Numidium, ascend Mannimarco to godhood, or for the Underking to find the peace of death, a new Dragon Break known as the Warp in the West occured. Again, it caused the events of what occured during this time to be lost to the memory of everyone in Mundus. What we know is that at the end of the Warp in the West, the dozens of kingdoms of High Rock became three, High Rock fell back under the control of the Empire, Mannimarco ascended and became the Shade of the Revenant, the Numidium was destroyed along with the Mantella, and the Hero of Daggerfall and the Underking died.
How does this all tie in? With the destruction of the Mantella and the death of the Underking, the other two Shezarrines could finally have their souls ascend. Also, because of the strange effects of the Dragon Break on time, their souls were sent back in time to the moment of Tiber Septim's death. The result is that all three Shezarrines combined their souls and ascended as Talos, the Ninth Divine, and because of the Dragon Break, it is as if Talos has always existed since the death of Tiber Septim.
Now if you are still with me, you now know that the Elves hate Lorkhan because Lorkhan caused them to lose their divinity, you know that Tiber Septim wasn't quite as morally upstanding as the Empire or even the Nords would have you believe, and you know that the existance of Talos is a result of the combined souls of three Shezarrines, or aspects of Lorkhan, rising to divinity to replace the Missing God. Talos isn't just the god that was once a man (or men in truth), it isn't just that these men brought about their humiliation in Tiber Septim's conquests, but it is also that these men that ascended are literally all avatars of the one divine being that the Elves hate even more than the Daedra. All of this, along with the collapse of the Altmer government during the Oblivion Crisis that left a massive power void in Alinor, pushed Altmer society over the edge and created the Thalmor.
Amazing! Long read but worth it. does this mean that Talos is like Lorkhan reborn in the eyes of the Altmer? no wonder they're pissed
Holy shit... TODD HOWARD HIRE THIS MAN
MaxTheMaximumGamer you didn't have to write an essay :,)
Thank you for putting this much down, you must have had to do a lot to track down all this information. You should apply to the lore team for Elder Scrolls 6.
MaxTheMaximumGamer The Elder Scrolls games have the most deep lore of every single video ever
The Thalmor are actually surprising tender hearted. When I wolf down their hearts, I barely need to chew!
Pelinal Whitestrake called, he wants you to help him kill kings.
Im still setting every elf I can find on fire tho
Their genetic superiority aint made em fireproof yet
What about the Dark Elves?
I prefer the good old Wuuthrad. Elf grinder never lets you down!
Special Bastard if you keep burnin em they gonna evolve so use fire, ice, and sparks for good measure so they can’t evolve
@@VivaCristoRei9 Or use fire so they get weaker to ice and electricity, like bacteria adapting to antibiotics but in the process their defense against bacteriophages becomes shit-tier.
I'm dunmer are fireproof
Why good movies suck - A Tommy Wiseau perspective.
George Zhang i did nat hit her I DID NAT
Ur thearin me appawt lissa!
George Zhang Anyway how's your sex life?
I am so angry.
Water story mark
I like humans cause they don't got 500 years of time to fuck around lol. An elf can train for 500 years and could still be beaten by a man only 30 years old.. Guess that mortality really gets us up and moving
Primary yeah the nords and similar races are fueled by fear and hatred were elves only have arrogance and hatred
Humans are you driven by hope, will, pride and love
Well its a fictional world created by humans, so of course humans would beat up almost immortal elves to fuel the gamer's ego and also because it would be one hell of a boring game if elves could just stomp humans as if they were roaches. IRL I dont think we would be able to compete in any aspect with such a long lived species.
Ehh, I think we would have a chance, pure adaptability is humanity's strength, to change with the sudden currents and go with the flow. Longer-lived species are susceptible to 'taking the long view' to literally and getting stuck in the past or sacrificing everything for a future 300 years from now. Living in the present is very important for ever civilization, they may have more insight on how to do things, but if its influenced to much by teh old ways it could lead them to ruin.
Primary humanity live long but must be very good at magic they live for 2 or 3 century
This inspires me to try out an RP character based on the fact that as a child he witnessed this attack by Tibus and grew to despise man. Everything you knew has been destroyed. you wander the land searching for a new start. For years you are a vagrant, for intensive purposes, you become a bandit. You one day come to the Skyrim boarders where the Imperials do not recognise you as a high elf because you simply do not look like it, how you are dressed, the dirt, the clothing. They think you are some spy for the Stormcloaks and so capture you along with the Stormcloaks. that's how you end up on the cart. you still harbour a deep hatred for man and anyone who worships Tibus. You lie through your teeth and fake being nice to get by but you wish you could roast hem where they stood. At times you do lose it and kill them. it's in one of these times where you lose it after hearing one too many praises of Tibus and talking down of your people that you discover you are Dragonborn, that you can shout as the dragons do. would be very interesting to see how you navigate the game like this. your character may change his views in the future from kindness from man but it would be gradual and you would deny it greatly. obvs this would be very much an RP character.
I hope Bethesda can pull themselves together and give us a good in depth view on this in the next TES game. Would be awesome if you could actually side with them and see different perspectives and different factions in the Dominion.
What about the whole "we hate lorkhan because we are no longer divine" thing.
Elves believe themselves to be the direct descendants of the aedra, and because lorkhan tricked them into creating mundas they came to despise him. Lorkhan himself is believed to have created men, so the elves hate men because they are the, "embodiment?", perhaps creation will suffice here, of lorkhan.
Little Spac this is exactly it, elves followed Auriel and despise creation, man followed Lorkhan and embraced it
They built the towers to imitate Auriel and ascend like him
Reckoning I think the Ayleids worshipped Daedra, which is why they left Summerset in the first place. This explains why Akatosh favored their men slaves, they actually worshipped him.
Well kind of. Ages ago after Lorkhan was punished the remaining Et'Ada who participated in creation either became one of the Adra or became one of the Ehlnofey. The Ehlnofey fell to Nirn in two groups: a dense group who banded together and tried to preserve Et'Ada society on Nirn (the Old Ehlnofey) and a scattered group that found there way after wandering Nirn for ages to the Old Ehlnofey. Instead of being welcomed with open arms they where shunned. Due to unknown events a war started between the less numerous Old Ehlnofey and the more numerous Wandering Ehlnofey. This war sunk a great deal of land under the sea leaving us with the Nirn we have today (Tamriel, Akavir, Yokuda Pyandonea, Aldimeris, and Atmora). The Old Ehlnofey became the elves and the beast folk and the Wandering Ehlnofey became men and where scattered from Atmora to Yokuda to Tamriel.
Assuming all tis is true than literally every sentient being in Nirn is a descendant of Padomey and Anu, Anui'el and Sithis, Auri'el (Akatosh) and Lorkhan.
the elves and the men are descendants of elnofeys.
Why not being enslaved by an Alien overlord suck - A Thanos perspective
More like a Darkseid perspective
Thanos is more about eradication than enslavement
“This is simply a luxury men cannot afford”
*laughs in vampirism*
Or general wizardry. Isn't Abnur Tharn over 100?
As a Vampire you're a direct dscendant of an STD through rape and will have a miserable afterlife, goodluck
This video hasn't changed my mind about the Thalmor.
I already fully supported them.
I can't wait until an elders scrolls game gets set in the summerset isles and there will be daily comment wars between elf sympathizers and Nord sympathizers ten fold the ones that go on currently
Elves are superior as individuals, but men have a significant advantage as a species. Because of their mortality, they can achieve a lot of things in a short amount of time. The ambition of men, their culture of martial prowess and hard work, coupled with their strong physique, makes them better conquerors.
The world doesn't need conquistadors. The world needs a utopia, much like the elves had during the late first & second era. & then Talos of Atmora happened... (fun fact: the title "Talos of Atmora" was adopted by 3 men in the second era. The first being Wulfgaar, the underking.)
+lynnthegreat10 My point is that Elven civilizations aren't built to last, not against men
If we also assume that race breeding is the same as our own world (given high elves selectively breed for superior traits) then the men races have an evolutionary superiority. Creatures that have shorter lifespans are much more likely to sire children quicker in there lives over a creature that will live for a longer lifespan. Because of the the short lifespan, to ensure the species existence, they will constantly have children to spread their genes, and their children will do the same. This cycles through generations at a faster rate, and it has been proven in the real world, humans will adapt and evolve based on their location to survive the new areas. A pure white family that never had any other race than lets say canadian, if they moved to africa, and their family settled there indefinatly, eventually their children will become naturally black, having developed an increasing amount of melanin to protect against the sun.
While i can't confirm how high elves fuck, it can be safe to assume that will a 1000 year life span, having 20 babies isn't a high priority until exceedingly late into their lives. Elves while genetically superior in terms of abilities and lifespan, would not be able to adapt anywhere near as quick as the men race, whether it be from climate change, or disease epidemics. The very same trait that extends their life (magic) is the same anchor that ties them down and could very well crutch their evolution, having a dependency of it
I see your point. But I think that Mundas would have been better off without men.
Lynn.... Wulfgaar was never called Talos of Atmora... and I have yet to find the "other two" You are clearly referring to The Arcturian Heresy, which can't be used as actual source material. Wulfgaar is a fucking greybeard. You are talking about Wulfharth who wrote the book mentioned above... Get your shit together before you start spouting "facts"
I kill thalmor on sight but I understand why high elves hate talos and they have the right to hate that tyrant but one tyranny doesn’t justify another
Not like the Aylid didn't use men as slaves and St-Alessia rebelled.
@@BlackLotus30 st alessia and company really dropped the bal (punintended) hard tho
In the Elder scrolls it does, fuck the empire
I could really do with an extra 500-600 years of life; 400 just does not seem like enough :(
I have a theory but it's based on ESO events...sort of. I know ESO isn't popular around here, but the AD main questline opened my eyes to a few things. SPOILERS: in the questline, you run into a group called the Veiled Heritance. The VH is an Altmer supremacy group (very Nazi-like) that is partially supported by the Maomer. Anyway, at one point in the questline, you find that the VH begin to infiltrate the Thalmor. 2E Thalmor are nothing like 4E Thalmor. Rather, 4E Thalmor are VERY MUCH like the VH. It is my theory that after Tiber Septim decimated Summerset and after Crystal-Like-Law fell in the events of Oblivion, a resurgent VH infiltrated the Thalmor and staged a coup of the AD. It makes perfect lore sense (since the VH were not completely wiped out in ESO) and explains the 4E Thalmor mentality. Anyway, it's my theory, nothing more.
Patriarch Makes sense and ESO is canon lore so yeah, I can see how it's possible.
Patriarch I’ve been thinking this for the longest. All hail Queen Ayren! 2nd Era Thalmor!
Tiber Septim literally recreated Cyrodiil not just in his present, but backwards through time. That level of power should be enough to be convincing of his Godhood. As for remembering ancient wrongs, the Elves kept men as slaves, by the Nine!
Altmer didn't have human slaves, that was the Ayleids. Altmer kept to themselves on their pretty little island and only used goblins as slaves.
*only
FunkyFyreMunky talos was a liar a killer and a dictator who killed whoever had a chance to surpass his reign as high king, fuck talos... I’m a high elf and yes I support some objectives of the thalmor but I do believe we should all be neutral to each other instead of having cold hatred towards both man and mer, but fuck talos though he was an evil barbarian who had undeserved abilities in which he used for himself instead of his people
To be fair, good or evil has little to do with godhood. Most people define a god by their power, not their moral compass. There have been plenty of evil gods in the world of Tamriel. Like the FunkyFyreMunky said, his level of power should be enough to be convincing of his godhood. Deserving of worship? Probably not. Deserving of the title? Undoubtedly.
I know what you mean, I can't tell you how many times I've gotten bad mouthed from someone in Skyrim and then thought "Bitch, I killed The World Eater, your punk ass better watch your tone before I kill you and your family" I realize their speech is scripted, but I do not hesitate to follow through and slaughter them for any back-talk.
On their hatred of Talos, it's not just Tiber Septim killed so many with Numidium, or that a man is being worshipped as a god (Reman was the 9th before the Warp in the West and is still worshipped as a minor god in some regions, and the Thalmor dont seem to care). It's that Talos is more or less Lorkhan reborn, and to the Altmer, Lorkan is not only basically Satan, but Talos is the main force keeping their binding mortal coil together
I'm glad to have stumbled across this video. I've been trying to rp a character that supports the thalmor and it's been hard to level a perspective. This helps!
As a player of Argonians, one of only two (playable) races native to Tamriel (the other being Khajit), I see this as a bunch of invaders striking against other invaders. It matters not who invaded first. (^_~)
"Ours is to smile at your passing, friend" takes on a whole new meaning with that perspective.
But of course, marsh friend.
Getsugaru Argonians aren't even really native, they were just created by some magic trees from another Kalpa.
Actually, the lore (as far as I've been able to find, at the very least) is very much unknown on Argonians in the Dawn Era; What we do know is that by the time the Aldmer arrived and began exploring Tamriel in the Merethic Era, the Argonians were not only already there, but also that they had a tribal (preliterate) culture, which would imply that they had reached sapience in Tamriel rather than having traveled there from another location. Likewise, while they have a strong connection with the Hist trees, there is nothing in the lore (that I have been able to find, anyway) that states the Hist created them. However, if you have a primary source that states otherwise, I'd very much appreciate it if you could share this source with me.
There is a Theory that Argonians are no different than the Hist themselves, and hist are just... "Elderly Argonians" Given that no one sees them breed or really how they age, they might even flip genders during there life like fish, always being stuck as female when very old and providing "milk" (Sap) for the newborns while they are tree-like.
I gotta admit... you also made another point. The hypocrisy of the Blades. Tiber Septim was a ruthless, blood-thirsty tyrant... and the Blades dedicated their existence to protecting his bloodline... because his line is dragonborn. But the Blades ask you, another dragonborn to kill a pacifist monk dragon because he was a one point a ruthless blood-thirsty tyrant...
The Blades suck. They're a pitiful, washed up, desperate pair of broken and defeated cowards. They succeed as a group only in allying themselves with people of power and destiny, playing the role of guides and friends, all the while trying to manipulate them.
What does this have to do with Thalmer and why men suck?... the Thalmer destroyed the idiotic cowardly Blades after the Mythic Dawn proved them incompetent, after they sent a crackhead to help guide the Nereverine...
Men suck
Not to mention Paathurnax is way more useful for humanity alive than dead. Hell he was even getting started on teaching other dragons how to overcome their nature.
Hey hey hey, watch your mouth. Don’t you dare disrespect Caius Cosades. He may have been a crackhead, but he was the best damn man on Vvardenfell.
+Naruto Uzamaki Nords was doing raids on Dunnmer villages to kill farmers and other unarmed elves - kids and womans. Not to mention other things they were doing with them. Nords also killed an entire race - snow elves. But fuck it you just type "Humans were slaves" yea, slaves to ayleids. Ayleids was enslaving every race. Its like Imperial killed my family so i will take revenge on Redgards and Nords. But its not even truth. Humans were enslaved by Ayleids so i will take revenge on every race by conquering them all. Really? Did you even think this through?
There is a difference between war and doing raids for fun, like Nords did.
Also you typed before that Talos wasnt a tyrant because humans was enslaved earlier by the elves. But what do have ayleid elves with other races? Okey lets take it they are elves, but then why did he conquer human races? That argument makes no sens.
+Ricardo Santos, Could you tell me what are you taking about?
This is another reason to become a vampire from a roleplaying perspective in Skyrim (at least if you aren't an Elf!), because you gain those centuries of time (especially since the dragonborn is already powerful and nobody is likely to kill them if they aren't an idiot and say start something in the middle of town and even then you'll dominate if you have the right equipment!)
According to uesp, "Altmer live two to three times as long as humans; with a 200-year-old Altmer being old and a 300-year-old Altmer being very, very old."
Why Women Swallow - A Nord Perspective - Elder Scrolls Lore
i dont get it..
I’m laughing so hard
Spitters are quitters
"Talos spoke to me and told me to do it."
Emil Joseph im such a killjoy white knight - Emil Joseph
Ironically, the ban on Talos worship has caused an increase in Talos worship, even among the Imperials who are supposed to be enforcing the ban. So, instead of weakening the despotic Emperor who became an Aedric god, Talos is becoming stronger than ever before. He might eventually become stronger than the chief Elven god, Auri-El, because of this. Oops.
That would be very interesting. If Talos were indeed to become the most prominent divine even over Akatosh, I wonder what that would lead to.
That would lead to divine retribution against the Thalmor.
Interesting, but doesn't make much sense. It's just that I don't think worshipping gives strength to a God.
I agree. The idea does not sense, but it is fairly common fantasy make-believe theology. It seems more the result of trying to make human beings more significant than they are in relation to the divine. I would not go to the Elder Scrolls for solid philosophical theology. However, increased worship could give more strength to the political cult of a God.
A conflict between the gods would be interesting indeed. The strife between Lorkhan and Auriel would be a reflection of the nature of the relationship between Anu and Padomay, wouldn't it? It would be cool to see that struggle play out in the course of a main line Elder Scrolls game.
I think it is true that the divine strength coming from worship received is true for Elder Scrolls but is nonsense in its own right, which is fine.
Wow. Very interesting take. I might actually play a high elf for once.
While they may have more time to train it doesn't mean much for one simple reason.
How does a rookie beat a master. By doing something the master didnt expect. And humans are full of surprises
All of my charecters in my 1000+ hours in Skyrim either passionately hate Thalmor and attack on site or side with them. I wish there was a joinable Thalmor faction mod with its own quests, and torturing Nords like you can in the Dark Brotherhood to level up skills. Such as one hand flame and left hand Heal Other...
Well if you a high elf.
Disgusting!!! Altmer are pathetic! Sad!
Elves kept men as slaves and slaughtered them for fun just because they considered men "the inferior childish short living animals" way before Tiber Septim decided to take revenge on them. You should support your own kind, shame on you.
Jbrightshadow93 93 joining a club of murderous cut throats is is one thing but joining a glorified Nazi scum party is another.
So in your playthroughs you either kill or don’t kill the thalmor?
Decades of training doesn't mean much when you're pitted against someone with significantly more real combat experience and strength. The Altmer are notoriously studious and to their detriment. Their bodies are already more frail than the average Nord, and their proclivity towards academics does nothing to narrow that gap. So, yes, while the high elves may think they're genetically superior, that is only due to their lifespans. Nothing about their genetics will put them on even footing with a Nord that's physically superior. The Dominion better start working on those push ups.
Their armor and weaponry are some of the finest of Tamriel.
Besides, their wizards are the strongest in known history.
Hjalti Early-Beard Didn't do them much good in the war. The Dominion started out mobilized, had three different fronts opened up (Cyrodiil coast; Eleswyr; Valenwood), faced an enemy they deliberately goaded into fighting by making outrageous demands while they weren't ready etc.
And they still got skinned at the Battle of the Red Ring once the Empire recovered from the initial shock. Magic and good quality weapons alone evidently aren't enough to overcome the Imperial military's discipline, numbers and talent for strategy. There's a reason why the Dominion wants to keep the civil war in Skyrim going on for as long as possible.
+Mirjana Grahovac
That was only one exhausted army, which in itself utterly massacred Legion forces. It was only a fraction of the full might of the Dominion.
Divide and conqeur, it's a basic strategy, has nothing to do with weakness, just intelligence.
There is no such saying as "divide and conquer," you mean "divide and rule." And you missed the point entirely. I wasn't suggesting that the two sides were equals in the war; my point was the Empire started that war completely on the back foot with all the advantages in the Dominion's favor and still managed a stalemate. The Empire is not going to be caught unawares next time, and the Thalmor lose in the long run if either faction in Skyrim wins the civil war quickly (as they explicitly say in the letter in the Thalmor Embassy about Ulfric). Though the key word in that sentence is "quickly," as if it drags on...it does indeed become a great gift to them.
Yeah well physical strength don't mean to much when you can just endlessly summon dremora warlords to fight for you, frenzy your enemies so they kill each other while you blow them up with destruction magic.
Thalmor Agents attacking me: "Elves are superior!"
Me: *laughs in level 67 Breton mage with Atronach Stone*
With the evil Tiber Septim gone and his precious Numidium, nothing can stop the Dominion.
Except a dragonborn and an army of storm mages/archers. Drain their magicka and make them get close, then hit them all with a shout. The archers cut them down as they get close, the Dragonborn and his dragons cut them down throughout the battlefield. Humans can fuck and spit out babies much quicker, so we have the breeding advantage.
@@lsswappedcessna No a dragon born can not
@@borrburison648 I think a literal demigod trumps a bunch of bitchy genocidal elves. Especially bringing their allies into it. Got a thalmor problem? Bend Will half of their army. Call in a dragon as an ally. Unleash a violent thunderstorm that strikes them all down, elf by elf.
Master the thu'um and create your own shouts that can not only bend the will of mortal, dragon, and Earth alike, but can also bend the wills of time and space. Miraak shows that the thu'um has far more potential than we realize, using a seven-word shout "[dragon name, three words of power], zii los di du," that can steal a dragon's soul without lifting a finger. What of the Last Dragonborn? What kind of abominable shouts could they come up with to fight the Dominion? Perhaps an even more potent form of Durnehviir's soul tear that works on AoE? Perhaps a shout that calls the ghosts of not just one, but many ancient heroes, to battle alongside them? A shout that combines Storm Call, Frost Breath and Cyclone, creating a much larger tornado, hail, and lightning? The possibilities seem pretty endless for a dovahkiin who has truly mastered their abilities to Miraak's degree and beyond.
@@lsswappedcessna you realize that the dragonborn is mortal, and therefore can and will be killed by someone more skilled in battle, which, in case of the thalmor, there will be. Not to mention this scenario is very hypothetical since, the common theme in elder scrolls games, the character you play as has no bearing on the lore once his objective is complete
@@borrburison648 This entire situation is hypothetical, yes, that's the nature of any kind of theory based on a videogame. Epic Rap Battles of History is also unrealistic and yet people enjoy the "what if?" What if Jesus Christ himself freestyled against Obama? The idea of it is completely unhinged, but fun to think about.
And no, the Thalmor aren't necessarily better in combat than the Dragonborn. He would have betters among the Thalmor's ranks, for sure, but how common would they be? I doubt very common, because whatever skill the Dragonborn has is undeniable.
This all goes out the window if you defeat Alduin at level 6 like I somehow did on my first playthrough. ONLY did the main quest because stupid 12 year old me thought there was a time limit until Alduin absorbed the soul of every living thing or whatever. Sounds dumb now but it made sense then. Pretty sure the common Thalmor agent was actually a higher level and more skilled than that Dragonborn, lol.
How I and most others play it now, doing every side quest they find and eventually hitting Level 100 or higher, though. I imagine the average Thalmor couldn't hold a candle to that. Especially since the thu'um is an entirely new (to them) school of magic that they have no access to or ability to understand beyond "it exists and makes dragons clap our cheeks like a cheap Dunmer whore."
I heard another, completely different theory, in which I suspect the Thalmor want to destroy the world by prohibiting the worship of Talos.
This theory basically suggests that the elves view themselves as the mortal descendents of the Aedra, and indeed many races of Mer had more contact with Aedric beings than any race of Man. You see, the theory is that Talos isn't just up and worshipped, but that he basically became Lorkhan, the creator of Nirn, but most importantly, the bane of their existence. The elves blame Lorkhan for their limitations, believing he forever broke their connection to the spirit plane -- and the elves believe they can only return by destroying Nirn. If this is all true, then Talos not only represents Tiber Septim, who conquered the elves, but also Lorkhan, who denied them what they thought was their superior existence. It doesn't help that Lorkhan supposedly despised elves and was seen as a hero among men.
As such, if they can prevent the worship of Talos, they might weaken his power and make the world easier to annihilate. It's also suggested that there are seven towers that hold Mundus out of Oblivion -- the two that come to mind being the White Gold Tower and the Throat of the World. At least two of these towers must be standing in order to keep Nirn from falling into Oblivion. So far, the White Gold Tower is one, and the Throat of the World is another. I believe the Heart of Lorkhan was another. If the elves can destroy most of these towers, they can destroy the world and send it into Oblivion.
Consider that, during the Winterhold questline in Skyrim, we see a situation where Ancano - a Thalmor mage - starts drawing power from the Eye of Magnus, and the implications seem to be that what he was doing would have, in time, destroyed the world. It's quick to assume this was a reckless grab for power, but it seemed that he could only benefit from the eye's power while channeling it directly. So, what, was he going to stay in that chamber forever? No, it seems more likely he had a goal, a motive. It's possible that Ancano had a means to speed up the process that was taking his bretheren centuries to achieve, and that his goal was to destroy Nirn. This makes more sense when you consider one theory was that the Eye of Magnus contained Mundus itself.
Of course, that's just one of many theories.
also to point out. every province of Tamriel has a tower and a stone(much like the sigil stones found in Oblivion). It's also my understanding that all towers must be destroyed in order to break the mortal realm. I can't remember them all of the top of my head but.
province -------tower/stone
Morrowing = red mountain/Heart of Lorkhan (destroyed)
Cyrodiil = White gold tower/Amulet of Kings (destroyed)
Skyrim = Throat of the world/? (if Alduin is the stone then destroyed)
Valenwoord = Falinesti/? (giant tree)
Summerset = Crytal Tower/? (maybe destroyed during Oblivion crisis)
High Rock = Adamantine Tower/Zero Stone (?)
Hammerfell = ?/?
Elswyr ?
BlackMarch = Hist?
Also the Brass tower which I would assume is a dwemer replacement for red mountain since the Heart is it's power source.
It's true that the races of man were an invasive ruthless collective, but at least they're not trying to unmake Nirn...
Garuelx but they may have a hand in it aka landfall Tiber septim put the wheels of that in motion when activating the numidium
Or are they.....
Unmake Nirn to become they’re original deity form.
Tell you what, when I see a high elf rockin the numidium, then ascending to a higher plane such that their blessing gives the divine crusader the power to follow Umaril into oblivion to kill him for good, I will gladly acknowledge a 10th divine. Until then the high elf gestapo can hold that shit.
A high elf did rock the Numidium, then ascended to godhood such that their blessing allowed their followers to bend the eternal laws of Arkay himself and capture the immortal souls of lesser men and mer!
#ManimarcoIsThe10thDivine
@@HasturTheOzonBoozer Well at least you're admitting that Talos is the 9th.
"A prehistoric neanderthal nuking the USA" This is.... this is just. I can't even anymore.
"High elves are wow so superior"
That weakness to magic though.
High Elf Nazis go home
Nop, it isn't in lore
I like how this Skyrim political video was better handled than American political videos.
That's because it's fictional so people don't relate to discussed matter as much
Honestly, do you care much for the life of a creature whose short existence is more of a nuisance than an actual benefit to the world you live in? Do you care about a mosquito's life? Or a rat? "They spread diseases, they're dirty and attack us!"
Yeah, so do people.
I completely understand the Thalmor pov. Doesn't mean I like them any better but they kind of have a point...
You make such a good case from their point of view, I wish we could be given a more balanced approach in the game. Not only are they arseholes to you even if you're an Altmer, when going through the main questline, we're being led by black-and-white Delphine who won't stop telling you "THALMOR VERY BAD" every two seconds. While everything else in the Elder Scrolls is typically very balanced, the player isn't really given any chance to see the Thalmor point of view.
There is a mod to join them, but only for dominion races, and I think my Dunmer (for example) would be more sympathetic to the Thalmor than to the Nords.
The Argonians did nothing wrong, The An-Xileel did nothing wrong, The Hist can never do wrong!
Pretty sure I remember seeing a lore video that said something about the hist trees being demonic extensions of sithis
Thalmor: "We have banned Talos worship!"
Beggar: "You know you can afford a Tyber Septim or two. It's not much to ask."
The main reason men have not lost is that because of their short lifes they are able to reproduce way faster than any of the elves, this is why some elves ate still recovering from the great war while men already have a new generation ready to fight
It's okay to be racist if your an elf.
"elves cant be racist"
Which race of elf? Aldmer? Altmer? Bosmer? Chimer? Dunmer? Falmer? Dwemer? Orsimer? Ayleid? Sinistral? Sea Elf?
ummmmm. the one with the pointy ears
SirDuck lolol
Bretons are Man and mer
An elven swordsman who's had 500 years to perfect his craft? Highly unlikely. Most elves live to be 300 at most. That guy on Solstheim is an exception.
There's that bit about Barenziah who was pretty damn old, but she's also quite a unique case. Also, there's Gelebor, but he's a Snow Elf, and they're almost extinct, so we don't know too much about their natural lifespans. He's also a paladin of Auri-El, which, for all we know, may come with nifty perks like an incredibly long lifespan or even biological immortality. But who knows.
Some of the archmages are much older Divath Fyr is fucking 1000 years old so yea some guys saw tiber septim !
Divayth Fyr is 4000 years old at the time of Morrowind.
Maybe not the basic men at arms but most of the high ranking elves are very old.
"What you learn here will last you a lifetime. Several, if you're talented."
Squared Up and the night mother is a burned dark elf
One day I will create an origin of a character who was a child of the daedric prince in a book for Bethesda.
And the father is Sheogorath. No one knows the mother... either an Argonian concubine or a Sybil of Dibella. Either way the mother gave birth while held prisoner in Rataway Vaults for insanity. Sheogorath sex is a death sentence or worse, but those who survive to tell about it swears it is the best.
Thalmor: Noooo you can't just beat me, I have centuries of experience over you! Foolish Mortal!
Nord: haha axe go swwwiiisssh swiiiisssshhh
Nord: NOOOOOO YOU CANT JUST BAN WORSHIP OF MY GODERINO!! EARLIER GAMES PROVED HE'S DIVINE!!!!
Thalmor: haha lightning goes bzzzzzzt
Mer people: Noooooo you can't kill all kind of Elves just for your gate
Pelinal: ahah genocide Mer do schwisch braaaaam
Lmao if only this was true.. bcs when I see stormcloaks fighting with thalmor, elves slaughter them every time 🙄
The Nord Swordsman with 30 years of experience is still my bet.
Who do you think is stronger, Boromir or Elrond?
If the gameplay didn't have to be fairly balanced, the long lived elves would almost always win.
@Dex4Sure well the last dragonborn can be any race. Not to mention being dragonborn isn't restricted to nords or humans. it's just the most famous ones are since the dragons mainly gifted those in skyrim with power. Plus outnumbering a race doesn't mean much if you consider the 500 companions defeated the whole race of snow elves. not to mention a tower full of high elves defeated so many daedra during the oblivion crisis that the bodies almost poured over the walls. Plus Tiber only managed to beat the dominion after obtaining a dwarven metal god despite outnumbering them even before that. It all comes down to individual skill.
@@sparklepawz1185 the last dragonborn is canonically a nord. As far as I know there has never been a non human dragonborn in lore
@@johnlowrey2572 Martin Septim was a dragonborn. In fact, the entire Septim bloodline were all dragonborn. So there were probably more imperial dragonborn than nord dragonborn cannonically.
@@lorddestructor1596 oh yeah, but they're all human. That was my point
That we are superior to men is an established fact. For example, take this belief in Talos. The "ninth" divine. Heh. Certainly you don't believe such things? Or perhaps there is something you'd like to confess?
No, I dont worship Talos, only Akatosh.
Superior genetic of high elf allow them to have:
3d degree burn from a candle,
Fear of campfires,
Snowfallfobia,
Getting electrocuted to death by one AA battery.
Seriosly, they have ton of weaknesess to elements.
Dam elves I bet they had something to do with this
Right, because there has been an uncivilized ape conquering your lands you send someone out to get the Eye of Magnus, one of the tools Magnus used to create mundus itself, so they could not only erase man from the face of nirn, but also erase man from history. not just the books, I mean history itself, if the Psijic order would not have intervened, man would never have existed.
That's assuming that pathetic whelp could have gotten his hands on the eye of magnus and the staff of Magnus. Even if he did manage to get the Eye and Staff of Magnus without the help of the Dragonborn, the other master mages would have been there to stop him. Some would have lost their lives, but they could have stopped him.
Uber Thalmor Elenwen was pretty cool - Odd how she sounded just like... Boethiah
they have the same voice actor
If you've played skyrim you should know they hired about 3 voice actors for the hundreds of different people in the game.
Samuel Hamer-Mathew "3"
Hyperbole, hyperbole everywhere
TFW you spent years playing Skyrim and you buy Fallout 4 only to find out Desdemona finally cured herself of the werewolf and become an underground railroad
I would very, VERY much have loved to learn that Boethiah was somehow involved in the Thalmor-Imperial-Stormcloak Civil War business. It's right up her alley.
It's far more complicated, Talos is reincarnation of Lorkhan who was slain by Akatosh - the Aedra most reveered by elves. This too is a simplification, but that's basically where you should look a lot more.
Hopefully elder scrolls 6 has the option to be an evil high elf and the thalmor as a faction
Evil? Are you sure thats a good term to use?
I’ve recently lost some of my respect for Tiber Septim now that I’ve heard more about him.
Okay...
Imperial spy!
@@DaBobbyShurmda you must have proof of my espionage first...
@@elizabethculpepper4050 Bro all Tiber Septim did was break time and rape Barenziah...
@@yesiamawatermelon4126 impregnating her and also forcing her to get rid of baby also.
Tiber Septim was an important man in history. Just like all the great, he had his sins and virtuous accomplishments, both of which were far greater than those of any other person in his time.
You can respect Tiber Septim as the great unifier of Tamriel while also despising what he did to Barenziah. Numidium was the best way to achieve his goals quickly.
You sold it am playing a high elf now
Centuries old elven superiority when the indomitable human spirit walks in
It's a great accomplishment to have made this video before orcposting.
say what you will but they lost to the redguards for southern hammerfell
The Aldmeri Dominion didn't lose to the Redguards for Southern Hammerfell. A small fraction of the heavily weakened Aldmeri Dominion lost to the Redguards for Southern Hammerfell after underestimating the Redguards, and they *still* managed to devastate the entire region in the fighting. What would happen if it was the entire Aldmeri Dominion at full strength falling upon Hammerfell without underestimating their foe like last time?
Tbf everyone till this day has lost to the redguards. Tiber Septim included
And they stood alone for five years! The stormcloaks have every right to be enraged about the dishonorable surrender. However, that does not justify their assistance in destruction of the great empire, in my opinion. My loyalties will always lie with talos, and his empire.