Premier League Title Winners Every Season WITHOUT The 'Big Six'
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- From Newcastle United and Leeds United in the 1990s to Everton, Burnley, and Wolves in recent years, HITC Sevens takes a look at every hypothetical champion of England during the Premier League without the big six of Manchester United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Man City, and Spurs.
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15:15 It shows how recent the 'Big 6' is when in 2003/04, Portsmouth, in their first year in the Prem, finished above Spurs and Man City.
Tbh I feel like spurs barely count
That was 20 years ago to be fair, and I'd argue that in terms of fanbase, Spurs were still a big club at the time, even if they weren't trophy winners (obviously). City surpassed Portsmouth in the league for the next two years after 03-04, and Spurs did it for the next three seasons.
@@NineHandsthey consistently make it to the top 5-6, so imo it counts
The Big Six is much more recent than that - It was still a Big Four until the early 2010s!
Spurs only had two Top 6 finishes between 1990 and 2010 {5th in 06 and 07}.
Man City went 17 seasons without a Top 6 finish between 92 {5th} and 2010 {5th}.
Everton had 5 Top 6 finishes in that same period.
Blackburn had 6.
Newcastle had 7.
Aston Villa and Leeds United both finished in the Top 6 NINE TIMES!
For sure, I remember the big 4 but the big 5 and 6 was only in the early 2010s its weird how long people think it was
Moves did an absolute magnificent job turning Everton from perennial relegation fodder to a regular top 6 side.
Moyes=goat
thats just been the last 2-3 seasons
They were more mid-table generally in the preceding years, but he still did a fine job on a limited budget.
@@iankemp1131Yeah he bumped them up a fair few places and held them there for a decade just about
@@iankemp1131 they finished 15, 17, 14, 13 and 16 in the preceeding years..hardly mid table
Wolves, Villa, West Ham, Brighton and Newcastle would love this scenario today
Villa are ahead of 2 of the the so called big 5, I refuse to put Tottenham in the category
as a Villa fan we are winning
@@matthancock260Half the league is ahead of Chelsea tbf, so that's not particularly impressive
@@matthancock260 you refuse to put the team with the 6th most trophies won in the 6th spot in the group of the teams with the 6th most trophies? Exquisite logic
Wolves have basically been docked 8 points this season - We'd be 6th...1 point behind Spurs and 4 points ahead of Man U if Refs and VAR hadn't cheated us earlier in the season.
6 points ahead of Man U if we'd put away just one of the myriad blatant chances we had against them at Old Trafford in August and the clear penalty had been given!
Everton were of course in the original big 5 during the inaugural EPL season alongside Man Utd' Liverpool' Arsenal and Spurs which is really hard to believe nowadays but Everton certainly are a long with very rich tradition and have played more seasons in the English top flight than any other team
Yes this was when English football was real. Now its full of fake plastic dishwasher clubs like chelsea and man city
I can't understand why he excluded Villa.
They’ve not played outside the prem since it’s inception.. which is impressive when you look at how many times they just about escaped 😂
@@Linesjointspenaltypointsswear to god if Everton needed to beat Real Madrid to stay up they’d win 5-0
God as an Everton fan this was a depressing watch to see how far we've fallen. I'm glad some people could see what an unreal job Moyes did for Everton though. Great video mate.
You can have him back if you want
@@westhamaremassive8099 gladly.. you lot really need to be grateful for what he has done for your club, youre sitting in 7th talking about wanting him sacked (js won the conference for west ham)
@@kskhas6750 grateful for what? Ruining our youth academy being an arrogant idiot. Playing 20% possession dross. You take him you watch that dross because we don’t want to anymore. Anyone could of won that cup in the prem. here’s a stat combined all the teams we played in that competition combined didn’t have a net spend near us. We were favourites by a country mile so anyone could of won that trophy with that squad off players we have the 8th highest spend in the top 5 leagues in Europe. But yes Moyes is the reason we are so good. Not the fact we have paqueta Bowen kudus an overall unreal squad in general no it’s because of David Moyes
This video is the example of what would have happened if the super league happened.
Yeah in some ways it would be nice if they just buggered off and let the Prem become the old Division 1. May as well send all the prem teams away as most of them aren't even big clubs these days (who the f supports Luton, Palace, Bournemouth, Brentford, Brighton)
@@jackbrownio3 Palace and Brighton have a sizeable fanbase.
Agreed as a seagull, I can still acknowledge that palace are actually also a big club with a lot of fans and no one shuts up about selhurts park@@hakc97again
@@jackbrownio3 I know that was hardly meant to be a serious comment haha, but, to be fair, the last Division 1 season did have some big clubs in it, like you know, literally Luton Town and Crystal Palace, Notts County, Oldham, Wimbledon, and in the previous few seasons, clubs like Millwall and Oxford United. I mean, Brentford are probably smaller than all of those clubs, and maybe Bournemouth, but we (Brentford), couldn't really fill our old 11000 seat stadium, so I don't know what'll happen when we get relegated again, now in a 17000 seater stadium.
And a collapse of the pyramid below yeah, great
Leicester finishing 5th back to back was miraculous looking back at it
So fucking close to the CL in both years, it must've been such a disappointment to lose it at the last second! 😞
@andrasszabo1570 and being 3rd/2nd For most off the season
Forgot to mention Leeds's greatest achievement in 2000 was Erling Haaland being born there that year
A year later, Erling's dad would be mimed by a drunk Irishman in red.
@@DavidLimofLimReport he wot
@DavidLimofLimReport he's a football 2008 fan he will have no idea what your on about because football didn't exist before then
@@jayhall6793 yes, English football didnt really exist for foreigners before around 2005 tbh
So basically what we have gathered is that the new big six is Villa, Newcastle, Blackburn, Leeds, Leicester and Everton are the new big 6, whilst Southampton was the 7 team that was always in the league but never really close of winning, (such as the current Everton)
Depressing watch as an Everton fan take me back to those late 2000’s early 2010’s years😢
Yeah I would've classified you as part of the big 6 because a lot of them time you was battling for europa league often when you were managed by Moyes and Roberto Martinez
Back to the good old days when it had only been 15 years since they won a trophy instead of nearly 30 today.
How about Scottish league winners without Celtic or Rangers that would be an interesting one perhaps Hearts vs Hibernian would become the new old firm
Going back to season 1985/86 with 1984/85 being the last time someone outside of Celtic / Rangers won there would have been 8 different winners. Aberdeen would have been champions 12 times, Hearts 11 times, Motherwell 6 times, Hibs & Dundee Utd 3 times and finally Kilmarnock, St Johnstone & Livingston all winning 1 title each.
Spanish league winners without Real Madrid, Barca and Atletico; German league winners without Bayern and Dortmund; French league winners without PSG; Portuguese league winners without Benfica, Porto and Sporting Lisbon
Day 21 of asking a "What Went Right for Stade Brestois?" Video
This is currently, by far, the best season in club history, one which could result in their first ever qualification for Europe in over 70 years of existence. There's a fascinating story to tell, from going bankrupt and slowly climbing back, to various great names that played there such as Ribéry, Makélélé or José Luis Brown, to the story of the Brest president going up against the Colombian drug cartel. Plus, you can have a lot of Brest related puns.
Would love to see that concept for other leagues, such as Spain
Didn't Lens do the same last season?
@@akunwanneprosper7016 I would argue that this is more impressive in Brest's case as Lens are former French champions, have had impressive European runs in the past and has a bigger budget than Brest who has the 15th budget in France
Is Alfie a Liege or a Brest man?
@@dazwold or Arse(nal)?
I will happily admit that I am a Brest Man.
Best German players in the premier league of all time. (Day 609)
I will not give up until the video is made or Alfie himself tells me to stop. Everyone else telling me that will be ignored.
If you don't believe my number, just go back to the previous videos. I'm at the bottom most of the time, but I'm there.
Hell yeah great idea
I rate the dedication ngl
I don't care about the subject of the video but I feel you have earned it. Go on Alfie!
You are back with it lol
We are krauts, do not expect that XD
I remember the first premier league season, especially being a villa fan. UTV!
Thoroughly enjoyed the video Alfie.
As a Blackburn Rovers fan I can safely say I would be more than happy if this was the universe we lived in
*Alternative Video Idea:*
Premier League winners if each previous winner was removed
The year is 2099, and Spurs have finished 2nd yet again.
If you did that, then the 2022/23 winner would have been Brentford as the only PL winner that hadn't won it before and this year's winner would be Luton as the only PL team left that hadn't won it before. The favourites for 2024/25 would be Hull, Norwich or Preston.
@@DM_Andy probably Southampton actually
@@yatman6305 If the PL winners couldn't win again then Southampton would have won it in 13/14, Leeds in 99/00, Ipswich in 00/01, Leicester not until 15/16, West Brom in 11/12.
@@DM_Andy it's a little confusing really, when you word it like: " if the teams that would have won the league but didn't already did..."
Can't believe there was no 'Further Adu'joke in the video... devastated
This is one of my favorite ever vids of yours Alfie. Love it. Thanks
CHAMPIONS 2014/15 🥲❤️🤍❤️🤍
Chelsea in 2014/15!
@@connorarendse1202 have you seen the video??
@@dev0nSA1nt missed sunderland!
@@connorarendse1202 what??
frrrrrrrr
Solid video idea Alf, always thinking outside the box. Keep up the good work.
I'd like to ask if you could incorporate more players'nicknames? I think it's a shame the English side of the game doesn't partake in it as much, as say the Latin side.
I'm sure as you go, you'll find more obscure ones, but for now I'll give ya 5, and whoever you mention in the video.
Di María - El Fideo (The noodle, because he's skinny)
Enzo - La Perla (The pearl)
Ivan Zamorano - Bam Bam (He liked the Flintstones as a kid)
Gary Medal - Pitbull (Yeah)
Cade Cowell - El vaquero (The cowboy, this one is interesting because it's so recent, but he's really taken to it since he's moved and he's become a fan favorite. )
The rate that these high quality videos get pumped outs at is insane
I remember seeing the statistics for the 20/21 season after the Super League episode, if you took out all the big 6's results, West Ham would actually have more points than Leicester.
I was wondering if this way of doing it would look different, glad to see it confirmed already
I guess I’m going to have to be that guy, but to be really true to the mission of this video, you’d have to deduct every point that teams got from the Big 6 clubs instead of just looking at the real world table. But I appreciate that it probably would’ve been way too much work.
Just wondering... when compiling this video, did you go purely based on final league positions each year, or did you actually remove each team's results versus the Big Six? In many cases it would have made no difference, but it may have done on some occasions...
I would have done it the way you said, but I got the impression Alfie just went by league position, as he is the sort of person to say if he does something more conveluted. Oddly enough I would have expected Alfie to go the extra mile, because it is something he often does. If I was being cruel I would say I am disappointed in him. But I am not; and this was still entertaining.
Newcastle's Robson era was some of the greatest campaign The Magpies have done, especially with the likes of Given, Bellamy, Shearer, Lua-lua and Ameobi.
You’re forgetting solano and Robert who are so underrated
Premier league, la liga and bundesliga have missed the teams you know over the years!
@HITC, rate the top 10 series. But the What on earth is going on at... and the deep dives into Countries are top tier lad.
Love from New Zealand. Keep it up!!! It's always red panty night when you drop
Interesting video! I didn't fully appreciate that the one year I was living in East London was that exact season where we won the "non-big 6" table - I was mad we dropped under Man United during their banter era.
That’s cuz Man Utd at their worst are still a better club and team than Wet Spam, lol
Alfie dropping another banger. Any morning I see a new vid I know the day will be good.
Love the Villa on FIFA reference. Those years were what made me a Villa fan (as a yank) and I’ve been along for the ride ever since.
God that Big Sam Bolton team was good. Reason I'm a Bolton fan to this day. Its... its been rough.
Thank you for recognising Beckford. Quality Striker. Loved him at Leeds. MOT
Lovely video as always for Alfie! Does someone know channels who do similar videos, maybe also for serie A or other league?
As a fellow Englishmen who despises the Premier League and all that comes with it, I love this video.
It'd be a lot of work but I'd be curious if the results remain the same when you remove the matches against the 'big six'
In fairness the last time the top flight of English football was unpredictable season to season was the 70s. Title winners, Arsenal, Derby, Everton, Leeds, Liverpool, Nottingham Forest and even then Liverpool became dominant by the end. But come to think about it, Bob Paisley made the 70s less predictable than 1960s top flight.
In sum. Before the Premier League , it was a big five (Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal, Everton & Spurs). During the 90s, Everton and Spurs dropped back to mid table, at best. Leeds, Blackburn, Villa and Newcastle competed at the top end on a semi regular basis - before most dropped back by the end of the decade. Chelsea, for the first time since the early 70s, rejoined the elite in the late 90s - cemented further by the Abramovich takeover. For most of the 2000s, it was a big four (Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool). Man City, and following in their slipstream, Spurs, come up at the beginning of the 2010s, to turn it into a big six. Everton, Leicester, Villa and Newcastle have tried occasionally to crack the elite at different points in the last 12 years, but not on a consistent enough basis. And that is where we are now.
chelsea was never a big club even in the early 70s. Before they started cheating in 1995 they had 4 trophies in their 90 year history, spent a third of their history in the lower leagues, had an avg top flight league position of 13th and regularly played in front of crowds of 8,000 people. They are more comparable to a wimbledon or charlton level club.
@@JuanCarlosOmar1 Not one to defend Chelsea myself. But between the mid 60s and early 70s, they were mostly in the top five, and finishing as London’s top side regularly. They were having a purple patch in winning trophies, and were regularly in the top six for top flight attendances. Similar to Spurs since 2009 (accept for the trophy bit). Most historians of English football agree, Chelsea were a big club in that period. As for the low attendances. That was in the late 70s and early 80s, where they spent huge chunks in Div2.
isn't the Aston villa owner like the richest outside of Man City and Newcastle?
Either him or the Arsenal owner.
Sovereign wealth funds should never have been allowed to own clubs.
how, as a spurs fan, have you managed to rob me of even more titles by choosing the big 6 instead of just former winners
Yeah - I was dwelling on this - Apparently we are a big club!!
In all seriousness - before The FA Cup lost its lustre and it was all about winning the league or Premier League - Spurs were regarded as a big club because of the FA Cup. It’s been 33 yrs since we won my favourite trophy. But some won’t care because it’s not the Premier League or UCL. Crazy in that everyone bangs on about the trophies but if we won The Europa Conference it won’t be good enough for a team like Spurs (according to some media types)
In the last five years the "most unpredictable league" has been won four times by the same club.
Imagine if Alfie also had to cover all pre-PL seasons as well.
As a Spurs fan I think we don't deserve to be called "big six"- We would have had one title......
Alfie’s Freddy Adu joke gives me so much joy
2:24 you really have a way with words alfie
As a Spurs fan, I dont recognise that we are treated the same way as Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and Man City.
We have gradually built our way into a position where we can more or less safely assume a top 8 finish every year, but we never start the season with a real prospect of winning the league.
We got to a UCL final off the back of signing one player in three windows
Everton spent 200m a season on dross, and we’re the rich bad guys
It seems Spurs are on a place all of their own, just below the top 5 but above everyone else. Good idea for a video though... "are Spurs really part of the big 6"? _Sit back, relax and join me on a journey to North London..._ 😄
Of all the videos made to take the pressure off as you research something deeper, this is certainly one of them
Another suggestion: Independent Yorkshire XI if all eligible players declared allegiance.
Also independent Cornish XI, see how they'd do against San Marino
Or give them Devon as well so they could have Ollie Watkins: the pride of Newton Abbot
How about La Liga without the big 3 (Real Madrid, Barcelona & Atletico Madrid)?
Alfie, what was your method?
Did you remove the results/points all teams got against the Big 6?
Did/would that method have created a different result than just using the "highest finishing non-Big 6" team?
I'm going to be a pain, but if you're serious about recalibrating the table without the 'top 6', you should remove the results of the remaining teams against those six in order to work out the real 'winners'. Also, as you say, the notion of the 'big 6' has changed over time, so it's slightly unfair to include Man City (and Chelsea pre-Abaramovic) in the early years, while excluding Blackburn and Newcastle who were among the biggest teams in England at the time.
Northampton mentioned 💪💪
Hopefully one day this could sort of become the norm. Prem and other top 5 leagues NEED more competition like this to happen more often
Blows my mind why you haven't yet featured my team Ipswich in a video. So much to talk about there.
Suggestion: Similar video for other leagues, or for other cup competitions
I love your intros
Babe wake up! Alfie just posted 🔥
Does this video take the end table of each season and simply remove the positions of the big 6? Or does it remove all points gained/ lost for teams against the big 6 and recalculate the table accordingly?
The first one is the correct answer
The English Top Flight has always been interesting starting with Big 5, then Top 4, now it’s Big 6. Soon we shall witness new or evolved players.
Possibly video idea - which cities have the most professional clubs, so London has 7 in the prem, 1 in the champ, 2 in league 1 and 2 in league 2. So that's 12 London clubs in our professional leagues. I know you could also include 5 from the national league and 1 from but those leagues aren't considered professional like the 92
2 in the Champ (Millwall and QPR). Buenos Aires has the most globally with 24
@@jackjude wow, they have 24 professional teams, are they all in Argentine professional league structures?
@@AmazinJ89 from what I can tell 18 are currently in professional leagues. Wiki "Football in Buenos Aires" , the last club in this list play in _Primera D Metropolitana_ which is amateur. Maybe the 24 is a world record for having 24 at some point? I suppose the boundary of what is considered Buenos Aires could also be a factor?
Man United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Man City, Tottenham, Everton, Aston Villa, Newcastle…
"It's this degree of chaos and excitement that should happen every season that makes football fun."
To which the Lords of the English Game said "Well, we can't have any of THAT, now can we?"
As interesting as this scenario is, it should be remembered that the owners, managers, and players of the missing big six would/could been involved among the other clubs (and national leagues).
A "Big Six"? Sounds like a dream for the German football fan, having Bayern München win the Bundesliga for 10 years now, only being somewhat rivaled by Borussia Dortmund.
Hey Alfie, I have a video idea for you - with Liverpool’s Caribao Cup winning team containing three sons of Premier League players, maybe you could do the 7 best nepo babies (headed by Maldini?) or the 7 worst (and you could add your own perspective on whether Alex Bruce wins this one!)
This is David Moyes’ world and we’re all just living in it
The main take away I took from this is that Moyes is insane
This would be so much better than what we have now!
5000-1 baybee! That was such a miraculous year, the right people in the right place at the right time as the top 6 falter.
Probably a lot more work, but it would be interesting to see what the results of this would be if every result against Big 6 teams were removed from the final points totals as well
Don't think that the stats were adjusted for the teams not playing the top 6.
Ridsdale was like me at the blackjack table in Vegas.
Yeah, and Leeds went bust too.
You can thank Ridsdale for all the FFP stuff now thats his legacy
Before watching the video, I specifically remember that the second half of Crystal Palace's season under Tony Pulis, we were really good at beating every other club in the league EXCEPT the big six (in fact we were top of the table if you excluded the top 8's results). I wonder how high up we would be with just the top 6 removed.
And then the first (full) season under Roy Hodgson was the complete opposite. We upset the Big Six repeatedly and lost to the teams at the bottom of the table.
EDIT: Oh, you literally just checked the table to see who was closest to the top. That's boring. I was hoping for some actual data analysis.
would be interesting (but time consuming) to work this out with the points from games vs top 6 teams in it. Basically making a 14 team league table
Chaos and excitement = fun so....
Just play heads or tails for game result. Maximum excitement.
So basically Leeds, Newcastle and Everton are by far the big 3 in this scenario.
A great video would be FA/League Cup finals and winners since 2000 without the big six.
I wonder how much the table would change (and if it would change at all) if we would also remove the points of the matches the big 6 were involved in
2:44 I was about to point that out
The old premier league in the 90’s reminds me of how the Brazilian serie A is today - very unpredictable with teams that were promoted one season leading the league that same season like Botafogo and almost even Grêmio
Blackburn were majorly bankrolled. What was the other team, Newcastle? It was pretty rare still. Man Utd and Arsenal dominated
Off topic but what are people's thoughts on how Luton will do in the Champ next season? (Lets be honest they're going down which is no shame considering budget & the shambles of the 2 'better' promoted teams) personally I think they'll float around mid table with the big players they'll lose & I don't think many players 'too you'd for the level will trust they can go back up
Not over 'til it's over... the so-called experts said they'd be down before the Christmas decorations but they're the best performing promoted team. There's also the small matter of a possible (deserved) points deduction for Nottingham Forest. The fat lady hasn't even warmed up yet, let alone started singing.
This isn’t title winners without top six, this is the highest finishing team excluding the top six, you would have to take out the results against the big six to get a true result. Come on Alfie I thought you put more effort in to your video than this
I probably won't cry 😢
If we take Newcastle as an example, people complain under PSR that they cannot spend big. BUT their Stadium can be either upgraded and enlarged, increasing revenue. They can invest heavily in their Academy. They can look at ways to increase revenue. None of that involves PSR.
it’s crazy that it costs 8x more to watch them prem on tv in england than it does in the states. peacock is $5 a month and gets you the prem and also top flight rugby
alfie not cracking that adu pun after saying "without further ado" doesn't feel so right
Yeah we really need that🥲
I know a certain individual who supports burnley, and would be very happy with this
Unless I am mistaken, there's a methodology error: if you want to figure out who would win the league without the big 6, you'd need to discount all points taken against said big 6, to eliminate any crappy patch of form from one of them. Not sure it'd make a huge difference, but that could actually be interesting
Did you expunge all the results of matches involving the 'big 6'?. This could have an effect on where 'the rest' finished.
The 7 best trophy-less seasons
All these people saying Tottenham shouldn’t be in the big six yet they finish in the top 6 most seasons. They also have brilliant facilities and a lot of money, silly people.
God I miss the days when Spurs were a midtable club. Curse you ENIC and Levy for ruining everything, I hope your own fans chase you out as soon as possible. They could really use their own Todd Boehly.
Found the Arsenal fan
@@carltonlebossGuess again :)
I've always wondered why Everton and Newcastle have had a long-running hatred of each other. This video explains exactly why. They're battling for best of the rest.
I remeber that Burnley season so well. I trust Vinny but man do I miss Dyche
The polish Ekstraklsa is kind of like the 1992/93 PL season. But here everyone is so mediocre that every score is always possible. Lechia was fighting for the championship only to drop down year later with the same squad nearly and also every few years a random club like Piast wins the league only to struggle to not go down in the following year
Still no Barry Vennison, but a mention of Stan Staunton will do I suppose
What if ... Champions of premier league without bosman ruling !!!
Including Newcastle in the "Rich 7" is assuming FFP isn't a thing. The owners' hands are tied, it's why we had to sell Saint Maximin, get Hall on a loan to buy, couldn't buy anyone in January, and Dan Ashworth has thrown his toys out the pram.
To finish 4th with a squad including the likes of Jacob Murphy, Miguel Almiron, Sean Longstaff and Dan Burn is crazy. I'd say only Leicester winning the league is a bigger shock in the last 10 years.
I admire Alfie for always taking a moral approach with his videos, and that's partly why he's one of my fave football content creators. But I would be interested to know what he would do if his beloved Hull City got bought out by a state. It's a catch 22 for Newcastle fans, and I'm sure it's the same for Man Utd fans in regards to the possibility of Mason Greenwood returning.
Of course Newcastle are rich. You'd have to be an idiot to think otherwise.
At the beginning of April 1993, during the first PL season, Norwich were actually sitting top of the league.
Cheers mate
@21:19 it's the very nice philadelphia unions stadium. DOOP!
Summary for those too lazy to watch the whole video: more than 90% of the teams here are Everton, Aston villa, Blackburn, Leeds, Leicester city and Newcastle