Studying Abroad: How Kenyans Are Subjecting Kids To Slavery In Foreign Countries- Dr. Albert Kochei
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- GUEST: Dr. Albert Kochei- Board Director, Communications Authority and 1st Speaker, Elgeyo Marakwet County
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The problem is, no African parent can prepare you for life abroad unless the parents themselves have lived there.
💯 True
if u have frank contacts and also believe what they say then ur good to go! I recall someone telling me to lower my expectations n he mentioned the struggles i'd encounter. Best advise. If u try to advise people with the truth they think ur jealous. After many yrs I came back n dont regret it.
This is true
@@mrsauslandervery right.
This conversation is extremely profound. My two siblings went to America when they turned 18 in the mid 90s and they are bitter with life. I went to America after I finished college in Kenya and I was way mature by that time yet I struggled to stay in America and returned to Kenya. I would advice that children be allowed to do their first degree or diploma in Kenya and allow them to mature so they’re able to acquire the mental ability to handle life abroad.
Your sure you very much for what you want to teach this children not to be happy study in Abroad All dirty maner are coming from abroad so
I came to UK after college and after struggling to get jobs. I was still not mature enough. When you give people this advice, they think you are jealous.
First degree before coming here if possible otherwise please learn the virtues of hard work I know somd who survived worked three jobs went to school and even transformed whole villages not one globe fits please work hard and avoid those unnecessary groups.
Good ❤
At last someone is starting a conversation that has been long overdue, I experienced this first hand. Studying abroad literally “killed” me , but we shall live to tell. There are a few positives but it comes with a cost.
It’s been about four months that I’ve been watching Spice FM. When I first discovered it, I was questioning why there are not as many views because to me, this is it! Honest, fair, educative, interactive journalism at its best compared to any other media platforms. I’m so grateful to see the number of viewers growing by the day. This is encouraging. Many Kenyans have been yearning for a platform like this. A platform on which high profile individuals/public figures have the opportunity to discuss freely, be held accountable through tough questions, educate, and inform Kenyans without fear of repercussions, hopefully!😊
I am a British/Cameroonian. I have always prayed for this platform. We need these types of intellectual discussions in Africa.
I am in the US 🇺🇸 with my family. I came with the green card lotto. I watch in disbelief travel agents on TikTok and other media telling people that they will bring them to Canada to a ready job. If anyone with information try to explain wanasema ati ni wivu. It’s so sad nobody wants to listen
If you can't pay for school fees and don't have a full scholarship stay and study at home dear people
fully agree - I don't think it is the job of the child to pay fees
This is a very important discussion, i applaud this gentleman for coming out to discuss this subject. Currently my family is hosting an international student from kenya whom my daughters met at school and felt she needed emotional support . Parents need to understand the circumstances these young international students go through when sent out there without proper emotional support.
You will be blessed Sir.
Have been looking for conversation like this ,barikiwa sana home is best
May God bless you and yours
As a child, I used to think life in developed countries was a paradise where money drops like manna from heaven. Having tested life as a student in one of those countries, I no longer hold that view. Africa is so blessed with everything: good climate, natural resources and people who have time for others (out here everybody minds their own business).
Ruto is busy trying to secure 250k Kenyan youth's jobs in Germany 😂😂😂
the colonizing society is sick. there are very very deep social problems in europe and the us, and they even strongly stretch back to before their slave trade and native american and australian mass genocides. they have exported their problems and living in the midst of grave social problems, and that also partly explains their declining birth rates. the cost of surviving abroad is so high, you have to pay for things that are taken for granted -- childcare in the us costs 1000s of dollars for instance.
1 correction that I would want to add in some countries like the US , kids on student visas are not allowed to work outside the university program. So when they need money, they find underground jobs that might be dangerous or not regulated
Parents are sending kids abroad with hope that they gain permanent residency with work permits/visas in foreign countries to escape the joblessness in Kenya. U are subjecting the children to physical and mental distress. Parents n students should research for full covered scholarships which are the best option. China for instance offers full covered scholarships under ANSO Scholarship. The challenge is communication but with translation apps , one can navigate. Kenyan communities or groups exists also to represent the students while in China and subsidized accomodation is offered for foreign students.China is also among the safest contries in the world, no crime and no drug abuse. The only issue wt China is its difficult to acquire citizenship unless by marriage
We as a country have glorified other people’s countries, especially Europe and America. Our leaders have ran down our local universities and other institutions, tuition fees for marketable courses is also very expensive locally and lecturer are frustrating our children. A course that would otherwise take 5 years, takes 6 -7 years with a tuition fees of 700k- 1million and yet no job opportunities available. We need to overhaul the entire government.
I am 100% with you dkt. I am an african australian who have lived here for more than 15 years and have benefited from government support since I arrived in this beautiful country. But if there is one tough and challenging situation I have witnessed here, it is the living struggles and desperation that international students, including our kenyan brothers and sisters go through in this country. kids could even go hungry for days until they start begging for handouts. many of them even end up serving in brothels and sometimes become drug carriers. parents need to think twice before making final decision and make sure they are enough funds to support your children before send your children. It gets to a point where the feeling is as if these children are being either punished or thrown out because they have become burden to their families. Please listen to what Dr Albert is meaning in this discussion
Daktari is effectively articulating a very important topic. I hope all parents listen. I also hope the Ruto regime listens and stops pimping Kenyan youth to overseas to earn peanuts and die in distress.
The struggle in Kenya is worse than the struggle abroad.I don't know whether it is only me.I am abroad but to me there are pros and cons like in any other situation.
Even the depression in Kenya is worse, at least over here they can even give you medicine and some crazy checks.
Legally, all international students taking undergraduate courses are only allowed to work up to 48hr, and they only pay the first trimester to be granted the visa. What happens is students arrive in Australia and start attending uni but the trimester goes really fast, and the stress and depression quickly kicks.
Am studying here in South Africa and Dr is 101% right. For me, i am always honest to those back home.
Was in India for my undergraduate course and later USA for many years before I came back to Kenya, I can give a lot of insight on student life abroad..........
Depression is true, quality of food is also bad and the culture shock is real. I am in south Africa and when you speak to most locals in English they get scared or they discriminate against you since most can't hold a conversation in English. The food tastes flat and social life is so different. It's been 4 years and still I feel depressed
I live in Australia, and Daktari has raised an issue that needs to be addressed because things aren't going well outside of here. Many students are afraid to speak out for fear of being victimised or jeopardising their visas, but I believe it is past time to address these issues. Thanks, Dr. Kochei.
Absolutely true
I feel like daktari has not given this topic the weight uts needed, this needs more and more conversation
True I studied in Australia and have experience of what international students go through. Parents please pay full college fees and upkeep for your children.
Abroad is not for the weak at all. I'm just fortunate that my mum had experience working there and my dad paid for my Master's tuition fees but it was still HELL before I got settled. Fortunately, my parents don't have these financial expectations on me but I send them money as a token of appreciation. All the problems he's discussed here I've gone through it's just by God's grace I got through it all. Please let your children know the reality of this life (do research on platforms like CZcams) because it's not easy AT ALL. If I didn't have Jesus by my side, only God knows where I'd be now. It was worth it though!
Most people don’t understand but, unfortunately, even kids from rich families go through hell. So, it’s not necessarily about money but, the level of preparedness prior to going to these countries. It’s a sad affair of things. I can’t imagine what these international students are going through when my daughters who are residents and have lots of grants still have a fair amount of loan to pay. Sad indeed!!
Our biggest problem in Kenya is that we've messed up higher education and haven't prioritized MEANINGFUL JOB CREATION! Once kids leave high school they enhance employability by flying out. That is the tragedy that is Kenya.
True. I believe it was jeopardized when all institutions became universities. Education became a scum.
Volume.
I agree 💯.. we have a big problem of no job opportunities even after graduating a degree in kenya..
Nope. Once you fly out, why would you come back to look for a job in Kenya? To me that is shameful. Anyone coming back to kenya should be coming to provide employment-direct or indirect.
Dr Kochei has it correct. I have lived in Toronto and seen many students in such circumstances deal with severe mental health challenges and depression due to the factors clearly highlighted. The reality is that there are some of us living in diaspora who will negate this and paint a rosy picture. The impact of racism by itself has broken adults leave alone young children who have no maturity to deal with life abroad. There should be orientation and on boarding in Kenya before students leave.
This is the best conversation this year. Parents please wake up.. this is not responsible parenting please.. yes you want best for your kids.. please .. if for you it’s soo hard to raise school fee for them .. how do you expect an 18 year old to do.. came on please.. God has blessed you with children.. your heritage.. not at cost of sending them when they do not have life skills .. They be broken down forever ..
I study In Finland and what he says it's true. If the parents haven't prepared financially you will struggle. I have seen people stressed out, having 2 or more jobs to pay tuition fees, rent, and other bills such that they skip classes and it affects their life balance and here if you don't attend the classes the immigration will be on you when renewing your permit. If the parents have prepared themselves then you will of course have it easy and finish your school and graduate or even have a part-time job to pay some of the bills. The moral of the story is don't pressure yourself to do something because you heard somebody is studying abroad and now you want to do the same because people come from different backgrounds also research enough on the country you are planning to study. This applies both to the parents and the children.
All parents need to listen to this gentleman
I can attest to this so much because back in 2019 after I was done with my kcse I left for the US to join the rest of my family since my mum relocated there and I was doing fine up until I realized I went there with no plan at all, and the lockdown made things worse because I didn’t have emotional support and I didn’t know how to talk to my parents without them seeing I’m being ungrateful. So I suffered in silence and even isolated myself from my Kenyan friends and family. I came back to Kenya in 2021 and though I’m going back abroad soon, I’ll never regret coming back here because it really helped me grow and heal enough to now face the life abroad once again, now that I know what I want.
This conversation I have always wanted to start, I'm glad you raised it. Worth every attention it deserves.
I came to China when i was 20 yrs, and in China coming as a student means nothing else is allowed except from Studying. Am still here but let me just say it's not easy. Covid period itself was Hell on earth.
Pole man
let our young people know that money has no geographical location
The problem is not parents or children. The problem is current kenyan system of education. For us who went to study in 1990s we had no these issues.
Abroad is a prison kwa waafrika. You can never rise kazi ya utunwa. Shinda ya mweusi ni minyororo ya akili, kujichukia na kuabundu adui zake.
I am a student in the US currently and i agree people need to know what's they are getting themselves into. I would love to mentor some of these students coming up here.
This is a good conversation that needs to be addressed. Our society needs this honest information
Thanks
True, one of my nephews went for an undergraduate abroad and he was a cocaine addict, he was jailed several times and he was brought back to Nairobi for rehab
I moved to Korea for my masters in 2019 and will relocate to Australia for my PhD under the Melbourne research scholarship. I totally agree with Daktari. I would never send anyone who is not done with an undergraduate abroad unless they have a fully funded scholarship am certain of the terms or I'm living with them. You will simply traumatize the young ones.
I would love to connect with you please. I am almost finishing my MA in Kenya and would love to further my education abroad. Please revert upon receiving notification.
That proverb is spot on, it has insightful content.
This is a great conversation. I totally agree that parents themselves need to be educated about what it takes to live and work overseas. It is never a walk in the park
Well done Daktari.
Study in Kenya up to University or College level then go abroad for further studies. You will be well equipped academically and more mature to deal with the culture and advancing yourself economically. Unless your parents can fully fund your lifestyle abroad be warned it is not easy even for the locals to live a good life.
Best show.Thanks alot.From Rwanda.
The best discussion indeed,and this is the reality on the ground,Again parents cannot control what the kids do out there especially the one's who have travelled out of the country,
Dr Kochei is so informed. I live in Melbourne and I totally agree with him.
These challenges exist in every setting if they are not drinking in Melbourne they are drinking in Ongata Rongai. Problem is nobody is there to give these kids pointers once they land, there are ways to navigate these countries but nobody gives advice. Then you give someone $2500 AUD per week? + Alcohol? Noma!
@@Ian-zx1cc
It's not about that alone.
Very very important Discussion! It is never easy out here!
I a gree with him I’ve seen students taking their own lives because of these stress
We have also seen leaders trying to airlift children abroad for education, the famous Marakwet and Uasin Gishu scandals. Leaders are misleading parents and communities. Thank you Dr Albert for bringing this out in the public and initiate a conversation around higher education in this country.
Thank you Doc for highlighting this problem
Great conversation!
Amesema ukweli kabisa... Grts from Germany
Guys if you're young, inexperienced and have nobody to hold your hand abroad don't board that plane. Age and maturity is critical in coping out there or else kitakuramba big time..
This is a topic that has to be discussed honestly.
How can some of these students speak up when there is already a societal stigma that u go abroad to uplift your family not come back "crying" as a "failure"
We have idolised money over everything. Some people would wish to even visit home but finances can’t allow them. Being abroad is great in lots of ways but it’s not all pros.
We come from a mentality of lacking
Glad someone started the conversation. Fly out for masters or for a second degree. That way the skills on your first degree will help big time. Form 4 leavers should be a No.
The question to ask is "why do this children or parents feel the need to educate their children abroad? Is it because of a failed system? I received quality education abroad I could never ever receive at home. If a parent can afford it and they do it right. Do it. Africa needs experts, and excellence should be welcomed and celebrated and not sneered and jeered upon. I am ever thankful for the country of my education.
It is mostly because of prestige.
Kenya will continue growing because there are platforms like this that promotes intellectual discourse.
Interesting that this is now spoken about 👏🏽. Families and friends don’t listen you’ll tell them how difficult things are and you don’t have even spare money they don’t care, uko Australia tuma doo
Tribalism and nepotism destroyed the country long ago. Going abroad is just a way of try to make a life overseas.
This is so true. I couldn't secure a government nursing job back in Kenya. Let's not discourage youths from seeking opportunities abroad. Life is not the same for everyone.
10:50 This is so true, as someone that is currently living abroad almost two years now. If I was a young girl I don't think I would have handled the pressure I have faced so far. The Nairobi character development played a major role in building my capacity to handle
This guy is talking from no experience at all. Thousands of Diaspora remit 4 billion dollars, where do you think this money come from?
He is right that there should be more information but that information should be how to cope with life there, and how to fend for yourself.
@@alexisgachachannel1276 I don't think you took your time to understand the guy. He is not saying people are not making money. People are having a tough time especially young clueless kids that are struggling. The culture shock is crazy and the expectations from parents are extreme. Trust me in as much as people abroad are remitting billions living abroad is not as easy as you think. Am telling you from experience so many people are going through so much. Don't talk on assumption have you been through it? And he is saying people need to be educated before they are sent to those countries
@@alexisgachachannel1276 exactly
@@alexisgachachannel1276 The gentleman knows exactly what he is talking about. My daughter is a student at university of Massachusetts and i pay $7500 per semester. International student in the same university pays way beyond that and meals and housing are not included. Imagine a situation whereby a student has to work to pay school fees, housing and meals and at the same time go to school. This is very overwhelming to the children of the age the gentleman is talking about.
Excellent African elder , this information is lacking , kindly how can this great mind be given stage in all the radio and TV stations and also in national meetings/forums to assist our Kenyan population on these important issues?
I agree with him 1000%
Good coverstion . However to study in Australia immigration demands to see enough funds for tuition and upkeep before they issue a visa unless they are giving fake bank accounts
As it is there is no way a student can work and meet all that . They are allowed 20 hrs a week of work. It is tough even for professionals so please do your research first and do the right thing.
I disagree with most comments here. The issue is not the children, its the upbringing. When I was growing up during schools holidays right from primary school I would go to pick coffee for money. By the time I left high school hussling was not a problem.
I hussled as I studied at Mombasa Polytechnic in factories.
This is true even for adults!! The depression is real. The fees in USA is almost twice the Melbourne fee. We can use that money better in our own countries.
I lived with a 19yrs old and I had enough Parents did not care to send money for food or accommodation, I fed her and when she started working she refused to eat food from fridge , refused to eat beans and said they don’t eat at home , got to a point and I had to kick her out .
Parents let your kids do house chores and have a diploma or degree prior to sending them abroad.
Don’t make our abroad parents their parents.
When we report to parents what their kids are doing they deny.
Yeah, teach them how to respect the people offering them free accommodation, food and extras.
Someone listen to this guy. You can sleep hungry in Aussie but not in KE 🇰🇪
Mshemiwa ameongea ukweli! Please inform Kenyans. My roommate, from Uganda had to be sent home after spending 4 months in a psychiatric hospital receiving injections and medicines he has no idea! Even into the hospital was by force given that the management of the residence unit was afraid he could commit suicide; jumping through the window or something..😓 Sadly he even suspected he lost his manhood in the hospital upon recovery (from injections).
Your Djibouti saying and the Kalenjin saying reminds me of a quote which I once saw (can't remember where and by who).
"It is better for people to think that you are a fool than for you to open your mouth and remove all doubt of you being a fool".
Dr kochei, we as the nation should change the narrative that going to study abroad has much benefit than been in our own country. First step creat opportunities for young generation in the country. That will end the need of the wishful thinking, by making families understand life is for living not competing leading by example. That what this continent have done creating opportunities for their people that why our own people are attracted to go...
Dr.kochei 👏🏼👏🏼
Very important subject, add to the fact that some do not have means to survive but family back home demands money on a constant
This man is very composed
Get on touch with me.i can help these children.i lived abroad for decades i just returned home sweet home kenya. It was not easy.
Very good conversation on this platform. Pure bliss fro Spice FM.
Om the subject matter, unfortunately our goose is cooked. Why? Simply because the same parents you expect to engage kids belfore releasing them abroad, they have no clue about those countries and the situations there. They rely of the stereotype information that its greener. They have no access to the feedback we are talking about here. They have no finances to support the kids whole there, and thats why they findraise, they can not therefore fundraise every year about 4.5 m to sustain the kids there, and that a reason why once the kid is there, they are already expecting goodies to come down. Take the example of the gulf and the much broadcasted experience our sisters go through. What have we gotten even out of the activism? The answer is More people going to the gulf countries.
Very good conversation Daktari
A topic that has been ignored for long , parents and the Government need to address this issue... it's heartbreaking what many young Kenyans go through, after graduating coming back home becomes another issue simply because the school fees was paid for you to become someone in a foreign land ....by the time you get that courage to come home majority have nothing yet the one's they left in Kenya have something to show for.... parents should send us out here with open arms and be ready with open arms to receive us when we say out here it's too much ...allow the children to come home without judgement
University education in Canada and Australia is very expensive even though students can do part time work, it is just pocket money not enough to pay tuition fees. If when the students work part time a parent still needs to chip in to keep them going on.
The worse is even sending a form 4 student for his next studies... shocking awaiting, that person will nolonger be the same...worse for even a girl child.
We ended up homeless and shocked to the core! Paying your own fees can break you easily. And you dont pay in bits at all.
This is very true. Looking back if I had to do it again, I would have waited until I was at least over thirty years old to travel abroad instead of the naive nineteen year old I was when I did it……..
We are sending children to study abroad because of frustrations in unemployment with hope of working there
Very goood conversation but don't forget to look for a school abroad after this. Reason is because they've messed our higher education system
From the U.S. here, let me tell you, I had to grow up really really really fast! Just to survive! Don't get me wrong, I'm thankful I'm here now, but when my siblings wanted to come here, it was not only no, but h... No!
This is not new, it's been going on for at least 30 years plus to the best of my knowledge. It's only now that there is mass focus on it. Many kids are sent out penniless , with parents using fake bank statements to obtain the student visa. Some kids left Kenya years ago, went abroad, dropped out of school, lost legal status and went underground. They are now adults, stuck abroad, living with fear everyday of being arrested and deported back, penniless as they left. We need to fix our country by growing enough food, providing clean water and building infrastructure ourselves.
But also, for those who get the opportunity to go abroad to get a full on picture on the do and don’ts, the pros and cons, and honest opinion from those who came before them. And the parents need a “come to Jesus”talk from individuals like this guy, and those who’ve experienced hii maisha. Those who came as students and either made it or not and how they handled it all.
@@jotayathey can't listen to you 😂😂😂😂 ask us, these kids come and make $3000 a week, what can you tell them? Plus of course we are an alcoholic nation.
Your are in government can you advise the government you are working for to create employment opportunities for the young children to get jobs after finishing University. Again the president wants to take the youths to Germany to work. Go talk to the president to make legislation for the youths to get employment.
I have friends who don't want to come to Kenya but they went to study 😢their visa expeird they are out of school
Not only Ausd...Hata hapa Uganda where Kenyans go for their A level education..Vitu ni noma!
I dropped out of high school in form 3. Never been to campus I don't have any degrees and I've never worked for anyone. I taught myself valuable skills that I use to make money. In my mid to late 30s now I have 2 businesses, a whip and now planning on getting some land ndio niwachane na rent. I've got a wife and 1 kid hopefully tutaongeza mwingine next year. Don't listen to your folks all the time especially if they're from the village (which is majority of them) hao ni mafala wenye hawajui kitu. I got disowned by my entire family father, mother, sister coz of the risk I took and to be honest I'd do it all again to show them how stupid they were 😂. Don't be unhappy trying to make other people happy especially your folks. Mzazi atakuuza into slavery na afurahi juu umepanda ndege finally 😂. I made it here in Kenya and so can you or anyone else, jitume Na usiogope kitu
Personally, i think travelling itself and the knowledge you get itself is success. We need to encourage more people to travel abroad to learn. Africa is backward because of lack of knowledge. I know a lot of people in the continent who think they are rich but in my mind, they are very poor people.
@@rexona1178Backward ni wewe.
The Uasin Gishu Education Fiasco is not a National Crisis. It is Just Bad, Poor Planning by some Village Politicians who thought they knew it all, without consulting any experts. They should be held accountable. Many have gone Overseas and Succeeded against all odds. No Risk No Gain. Understand risks and Plan accordingly.
After Diploma do they get jobs here or ?. How many students finish masters and retire in Kenya with a job. Go talk to the president to create jobs for Kenyans
Such a timely conversation living abroad is not easy even for grown ups I can only imagine what young students are going through. Like Doc said, It is also important to show the real reality of living abroad. Loneliness, Black tax,even with the language never settling in fully, being different in terms of race for the first time , expectations,among other things. The government also has a role to play to ensure that there is an enabling environment back home for job creation and self employment.
16:15 Students go to study thats right, If you are going to Australia to study the first requirement is you MUST show that you have sufficient funds to cover your cost of living for the first year of your study. If the first year of the Uni/college fees has been paid. You now have one year to work hard to pay for the next year. This comes down to an individual kama wewe sio husler at home in Kenya you will not be a husler abroad...One year is not a short time,there are plenty of opportunities and if disciplined and stickler to plans and goals you'll make your fees for the next year and more to send home for support. It always comes down to an individual.
Even with parents affording school fees is not advisable to send a form 4 leaver abroad. Is NOT Good at all!!! Please Please parents beware!!!!!!!!
Very advisable. Emphasis on the "advise".
And not every one can handle challenges out their.
Kenyans and their leaders need to know life outside Africa continent is very different; from laws, policies, and education systems. Social-economical lifestyles differ. Mental disordered and drug abuse very common for those from Africa.Leaders should develop their Nation to save their citizens.
Daktari thanks for starting this conversation. Has been in Bangalore India for the last 2 months. African young pple are doing terrible things i.e good percentage.
That cost benefit analysis needs soo much more airtime. I have spent quite a lot of time abroad yet unfortunately my report is that most people do not want to listen when you give them the realistic picture. Many of us want you to go abroad, just not uninformed.
Experience is the best teacher. Better learn from his experience than your own.
Some mistakes are too costly.
If we adults who are older and have come with a jungu are struggling,how about a young person on their own?
True. Many people in Kenya don't understand.
I’m in the process of publishing a book that will address this issue. My book will offer guidelines to new immigrants moving to the United States of America,,what to know in advance and what to do when you get here.
I truly agree with Mweshimiwa, moving to a new country is extremely challenging even for seasoned adults, how much for young inexperienced students!!!
I should write another book to specifically offer guidelines to students and parents.
Please look at the job market in the countries you are sending your children and advise the parents and the students accordingly.