Are Dual Motor E-Bikes better?
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- čas přidán 7. 06. 2024
- In this episode I'm testing an ALL WHEEL DRIVE electric bike! The Ariel Grizzly is a dual motor electric bike featuring two 1,000watt hub motors and it's capable of almost 40 miles per hour!
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00:00 Intro
00:51 Ariel Grizzly Specs
02:17 Front Wheel Burnouts!
04:26 Drag Race vs Ariel X-Class
07:11 Off Road Testing
12:31 Hill Climb Test
14:34 Overheating the motors?
16:19 Suspension Thoughts
18:15 Middle of nowhere!
24:06 Switchable All Wheel Drive
25:14 Summary - Zábava
I have the Grizzly and the trick to avoid front wheel spin is to start from a stand still on the rear motor only. Once you’re rolling, switch to both motors. It carries me up steep hills at 30 mph and I weigh 265 lbs.
That's awesome to hear, Raffi 👍
Good tip!
My D work the same way but my modified all wheel drive X is better two separate throttles' better control
Wow!!
I was beginning to lose hope because I'm 245lbs, thank you!
Dunno your definition of steep. I'm pulling 220# and max (if speed built up) 23mph uphill. Still hella good, two motors is essential for fun factor.
Great job guys! Best review I've seen yet & I've been watching many of them✌
Thanks!
Great video man I have watched a lot of them on the Grizzly and this was by far the most fun to watch Lol!! That front tire shredding is hilarious.
Haha thanks dude
Thanks Adam, Always Love and Appreciate Your Videos 💕😊
I appreciate you!
Nice e-bike review with beautiful view and drone shots.
Thanks!
Once again Mr Swords a fantastic video love the content keep it up my friend 👍👍👍
Thanks!
Hi Adam, Espectacular electric bike, powerful. Great video!!! 👍👏
Thanks!
Loved the video Adam. Great bikes & amazing fun. Stay safe M8, cheers, John.
Cheers!
This E-bikes are great practice for people who wants to learn how to use a motorcycle, I myself want to learn too.
Thanks Adam the camera guy ! 👌
Cheers!
I recently bought an E bike and I use it WAY more than I thought. This one looks awesome
They’re so fun!
Great content as always 👏
Thanks Dennis
That front tyre looks 1/4 gone after all that wheelspin. LoL. Great review. Great content. Laughed as many times as you did Adam. Lots of love from Australia. Abs.
Oh it was 😂
this is sick!
It is!
Man it’s gorgeous there! Looks like a great place to ride.
Love the prison analogy. Too funny. Great video guys. Keep’em coming. You guys are like laurel & hardy! Great goofy team.
Cheers!
That looked like a lot of fun! I was worried that with the added power from the dual motors that you could easily lose control and zip over the edge of the hills. Thankfully, you are an expert rider. I could see myself having a blast on an e-bike if I was 30-40 years younger, and several pounds lighter. Adam, thank you for another exciting video 👍 Thank you to Jordan as well.
Haha yeah me too
I'm 44,this thing is a blast.
I have an AR D-Class. It's the baby brother to the Grizzly. It's plenty fast and powerful with dual 750W motors for my first bike. Do wish it had a rear suspension and 52V battery.
Nice!
Offroad climbing is best suited for a low geared setup, so motors can turn freely, without amping up and overheating. Geared hubmotors will NOT last long riding in this style you demonstrated. Gears subject to strip, and motor winding damage imminent…I love low pressure fatbike tires for the traction they provide, and the smoother ride! I live in the hills, remote, so I built a 26” fatbike frame, with a low standover, harley seat, and a gearless 1000 watt hubmotor with double gear reduction(jackshaft). 8 mile an hour, flat out….but I can pull and climb all day long without any heat…and direct drive means I can utilize regen for braking. I’ve been using it to skid 12 ft green logs out of the bush…no problem😀
That’s so cool and great information Jim!
Adam like a kid in a candy store i loved and enjoy this nice Adam.
I was haga
That thing is cool! Fun video, thanks. 👍😎🇺🇸
Thanks for watching
Wow, I love this. Beautiful nature and views and cool bikes. I love electric bikes. 🙏🥂👍
Thanks Effy!
Great footage and cool bikes. Usually there's a setting for soft-start so you don't spin out the front wheel. I'm thinking of adding a front motor to compliment my 1kw rear. Thinking fully independent systems is best.
I wish there was!
rockin the G-SHOCK like a boss 🏴
i bought a talaria recently they’re awesome 💫
I’m willing to bet the bike would fly up that steep section with all wheel drive engaged. Also, early congrats, you’re about to smash through 100K subscribes 🎉
It was in all wheel drive the whole time
👍nice bike ride and have fun 😊😊
Extra kudos for double wheeled doughnuts in the dirt Adam! 😅
Fantastic trails - would love to ride there 😎🤜🏻
Haha thanks!
Cool thing about those ape hangers handlebars is you can fit extra lights to pimp it!
Lool you tortured that bike!! Companies that gives you stuff to review, must really believe in their products, cause you give them hell 😄 love from Malta 🇲🇹 ❤️
Haha they all know the score!
Fun stuff. I just ordered a dual motor Fabulous EMX Extreme. I don't think I would like those stationary seats, and being above 750W takes it above the legally recognized ebike category in most states. Furthermore, I would guess it is the additional wattage causing it to overheat. Here in Alaska people not only use them for commuting but hunting and fishing.
Aaayyyoo!! Happy Sunday 🤙🏾
Happy Sunday!
Great video Adam hay what's happening with your motorcycle we have not seen that in a long time
Is that v1 or v2 for the xclass? New xclass is supposed to top out at 36. I have a v2 Kepler and it tops out at 36 too.
How much would you wanna see Michael test it out 😂
Super fun crazy sick ahhhhhhhh crash 😂
The Grizzly is actually over 3500 watts peak (1850 each motor)
I learned to ease into the throttle or the front tire wears out quick on the Grizzle. And the batteries only run one battery at a time. It will default to the rear if both are on. You probably drained the battery out on that climb because it should of carried you up even that incline. I'm very surprised bikes haven't begun going dual motor after the success of the Grizzly. Most high performance scooters are dual motor right now. Imagine the speed of ebikes with 3000 watt motors. I think the reason bikes like the Surron don't is the weight of a motor in the from would limit kids doing wheelees.
And my Grizzly never gets old, I'd never ever downgrade to an X class. When I change the switch to ride one motor if i need to preserve power I never last long on it. The reason you have 2 batteries is to make sure you don't run out of power. The extra weight can be illuminated by just carrying one battery by removing one.
How do you control the front wheel spinning out in corners? I can imagine tumbling over of the front wheel starts spinning going through a corner.
Is it possible to switch the throttle and handle bars?
Great video, are you in Laguna Beach? I was just out there.
Close!
Beast of a ride. Looks like a big bunch of fun? 👍🇬🇧😉
It sure was!
Shifting the rider's weight forward will also reduce front wheel spin. There is also a setting in the controller to reduce "ramp up rate" of power applied to the wheels.
Weight distribution doesn’t help. Where’s the setting for ramp up?
@@AdamSwords It varies by controller type, but they all have it. Some call it delay, or other names. They all do the same thing. They adjust it so that high power isn't instantly put to the motor.
I wonder if you knew you could switch the wheel drive from rear to front to all-wheel drive. Would you have gotten a better range out of it?
I have an Onyx as well, main ride. My play bike is a Surron. I did try the dual motor Ariel and it performed poorly on trails. It felt so weird, the weight distribution was odd. You should do an off road, side by side with a Talaria or Sur, both 3k mid drives.
Is it easy to pedal as well ?
I remember flying my drone from a sail boat and forgot to put it on moving home location. It stopped flying as it was too far from the original home spot and the battery was going basically it was going to land in the sea. Luckily we got the boat back to the point just In time 😅 won't forget next time!
Damn!!!
is that Griffith park area Los Feliz? or maybe somewhere in Orange County?
Crystal Cove in OC
sweet, im buying a E/bike soon and wanted to see what trails are in O.C. where I could ride
mountain bikes too. but for sure when I get my new E/bike. thanks man.
How did you end up in USA? Just wondering.. I love the Grizzly but I like the dual motor bikes with regular bike seats and adjustable seat posts.
Got on a plane at London Heathrow 🙌🏻
Here is the Truth.
Listen up young Padawan.
I know ALMOST everything about Vehicle Design and am now planning to build a 2WD 'Bicycle' for myself, and your Video has refined its Design a little further.
It is EVIDENT that having too much power in a front motor is a BAD Idea if BOTH Motors are controlled from ONE 'Throttle' therefore a 1000W Rear and 750W Front is a wiser ratio.
(Also with Tyre and Rim width sizes.)
Further, independent Thumb Throttles are recommended for Rider Power Balance.
Next, there is already FAR TO LITTLE WEIGHT on the Front of a Standard Rover Safety Bicycle Design that's front tyres always last FAR longer than the back.
Identical wheels for different Steering and Drive Jobs makes no sense and are chosen for Economy of Production, NOT Engineering Efficiency.
Are MOTOR CYCLE Wheels the same ??
Sit on a normal Bicycle, weigh F + R on bathroom scales.
See the difference.
At MINIMUM this should be calculated for Tyre Pressures.
The Batteries in a Leccy Bike should be carried in FRONT of the Frame, one each side.
I think that I will style mine in like Honda 50 Leg Sheila, +maybe ADAPT them !, one each side fixed to the frame, behind the steering head.
This will not be the first amazing Bike that I have built.
I have a VERY Nice Muddy Fox Full Sus just waiting for its opportununity.
Forks like on a Fireblade !
Last thing, I am 72 soon.
Never give up.
🚵💨💨 WHOOO Hoooo00OO !!! 🚓🚓🚓💨
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I purchased one a couple months ago and your going to have to replace them tires soon
😂
so is the extra weight in the front/ motor PULLING from the front wonky at all on regular pavement riding?
Nope
How do you survive in a 1000 degree temperature,where I live the hottest we ever get is 100 degrees,that's insane
Haha
Takes practice but after you reach 10-15 mph you can switch to both which makes it bit safer but lean forward a bit
It needs launch control if the front kicked in like a powerband or vtech after a certain speed it would be smooth 😤👍🏽
He got nervous when he asked him. How much do he weigh?😂
It needs a front motor cutout like the Fabulous Havoc has. Turning on power will throw you off.
New Found Glory FTW 🙌
Yup
I would like to see a race between the 2 bikes now that you know that you can switch which wheels drive the bike.
Crash helmet if you atr going more than 15 mph?
Yes
I had the same thought. Have fun! Be safe!
I was curious about beach sand performance since I live by the longest fresh water beach in the world
Presume that you can use either the front motor or the rear one separately ?
Yup
I feel like Grin Technologies would have something that would temporarily delay or weaken the front motor, to prevent that annoying burnout. Like an adjustable ramp up for the front compared to the rear or something. Not only is that destroying the front tire. But that may also make you fall accelerating out of a tight corner.
If I was to build a dual motor ebike, the front would be like 500watts, and the rear 1000, or, I'd use a Cycle Analyst from Grin to limit the Amps of the front motor, because of the linear relationship between torque & amps. Less Amps, less torque, same voltage top speed, and maybe a throttle signal bypass, to go around the CA, a direct throttle signal to act like a boost button.
Yeah adjusting the power curve for the front would be great. Essentially keep it at 25% power up to 5mph, then slowly ramp up the percentage after that until say 20mph.
For hunting here in Nevada I got an E-CELLS Super Monarch Crown e-mtb. 2 wheel drive, 2 batteries, dual suspension, 2.3 mm thick brake rotors, 9 torque sensor assist levels, ROK SHOX shocks, Shimano Deore gearing, Samsung batteries. AND all for $5,100. Compare that to the way overpriced RAMBO Megatron at over $7,000.!
Sounds epic! Glad you’re pleased!
All-wheel drive for Canadian winters obviously.
I was using a 70mph awd scooter for a while now, thinking of switching to awd bikes... a gravel road with an awd personal electric vehicle like this, God it's amazing.
We do wonder how well this would work up Mt Everest. I'd be doing 50mph until I hit a turn, then I'd go flying 😂😂
Those scooters terrify me!
@@AdamSwords yeah, it cured me from my suicidalness 🤣🤣
Needs to comes in the Swords Neon Yellow 'n' Black other than that Rocks out.
Haha yup
How long does it take for each bike to charge from empty to full?
A few hours
sweet I just love both bikes and your back ground was soooooo pretty, thz Adam your the best keep up the great videos and tell mikiepooh he is missed.
love 2 the both of Y'ALL...
ps us women r call gals.....lol 😆 oxox
Cheers!
Please make some more motorcycle content 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Catalina island was featured tonight on “UFO Witness” (the undersea alien base) . It was really good, lots of stories of an underwater UFO base around Catalina island. Have you ever seen anything??? I definitely wouldn’t be going out there at night after watching this!!! It was on Discovery HD here in the UK (Sept 16).
I’ve heard rumours about there being weird sightings off the back side of Catalina. Never seen anything myself though.
@@AdamSwords might be great if you did a video on it, maybe interviewing anyone that has had experiences around there, then maybe do a night trip with a few of your mates??? By the way I’m from London, am insanely envious of your life lol, my son is hoping to buy his first jet ski this Xmas , I’m hoping my son can come out there one day and live in the sunshine zipping about on the ocean and do what I never got to do… yet.
my friend just bought one and EVERYSINGLE time we ride it we are just giggling and laughing. i have a 48v 500w custom ebike chopper and it gave me the idea to maker a dual motor dual battery version of my bike. a dual 1000w motor chopper bobber ebike.
I also have a dual motor ebike. The other day, i was going off road and my front wheel motor flew out the front fork. Does anybody have this issue with the dual motor ebike.
You should test both bikes with rear wheel on only.👍 Or you ride with rear wheel and turn on front if needed. Oh.. Toward the end of the video you figured that out. 😁👍 I have the Kepler which would be about the X class specs. The Kepler is probably much easier to pedal longer distances and has the 26" fat tires which may give it some better off road advantages. Larger wheels roll over things a bit better.
That doesn’t sound like fun at all 😂
@@AdamSwords I had to update as I was watching and commenting.. Sorry 😂
I have a Grizzly, I'll never buy a bike that's not awd again...
Not just for the speed, I've been in snow and sand going slow and just couldn't go where I've gone with single drive
Yeah I bet in bad conditions its wild!
Ask them to make one that looks like a 1970s Raleigh Chopper and I'll be all over it. You can't get more ' more is better' than a Chopper.
That would be cool
Love it! Perhaps a helmet might be a worthy addition at those speeds and some pepper spray to ward off all the angry dog walkers 🤣
You’re not wrong
@@AdamSwords 😬 I have a ‘normal’ e bike and people in the UK don’t like how fast you can ride on them 🤣
Epic
🤘🏻
I'm pretty sure those 2 red buttons on the front change from front and rear motor .
No way that’s good that the front always spins out so easily in all modes except single rear but you’re going to go through tires like crazy.
Is using both batteries at the same time strictly for Speed? And I'm sure with one battery can get up to about 28 mph like most, personally I would use one battery at a time to get double the riding miles. The dual-battery seem like such a waste to use at the same time , but that's just my opinion, they are some awesome bikes
I've had the grizzly in my cart for a week now. I'm reluctant to hit buy because I'm 6foot3 and I'm worried this will kill my knees if I try to pedal on it. Any insight?
You don’t buy these bikes to pedal them…
@Adam Swords I get that but you kinda do, especially when you have bored local police waiting to see if you actually put effort into pedaling or go full motor.
Wondering if you ever bought it??? 6’4” here. Plenty of ways to mod the seat… absolutely love it
How tall are you and weight? Want to know if it mattered.
It’s a cool bike, but it’s basically a low powered motorcycle. At a certain point, get a license plate and insurance. I’m not enthusiastic about people going crazy and ghosting out on accidents.
I understand what you’re saying. This isn’t close to motorcycle power though, my Onyx on the other hand…
My X has front drive but I can control it throttle separately and I can adjust the power way better way safer 🔧😍
That’s cool!
What watch it that?
get the Vee Tire Co E-Huntsman 20 x 4.0 Ebike Tire and youll cut out most of the spin
What’s the total weight it can handle, and height for tall old folks, I figure with a Camelback water bottle, and a catheter, kneepads, beanie hat with a GPS tracker we would be safe, huh what’s ya think? loads of fun watching you play you whippersnapper!
Not sure!
Adam, Yet another fantastic video. Just one quick question please. What happens if your battery go's dead? Is pedaling that monster much harder than a "Normal" bike? Live your best Life you only get one...
Yeah they’re pretty heavy to pedal without the assist
I retract my last comment.. I think it's because of the switch on the handlebars..😂😂😂 I should've waited to comment...🤷😂
Have u tried out the Ariel Kepler?
Nope
Everybody always thinks the power loss is from heat issues, it’s voltage sag. The double motors pulls a lot more wattage causing much more voltage sag than single motors.
Nice to know
Ampd bros ace demon x
Seria possível vc falar o seu peso. Porque fica difícil ter uma noção
Swords.. can i have one of your 100 ebikes?? lol
😂😂
Put it in rear wheel drive only!!
Yup!
Lovely Cheesecake!
@Adam Swords you need to get producer Michael on 1 in a video just for the hell of it that would make for such a funny video 📹 😄 🤣 😆 😂 😀 I can't see his face now 🤣 😂
From a standstill start with one motor mode and once you are 10-15mph then switch to dual motors..
Did a lot of studying before I bought the Ariel grizzly finally bought one and both batteries give out in less than a year.very disappointing
I really really wanna try an All Wheel drive two wheel vehivle on norwegian winter roads, or a parking spot,
wonder how this is to slide around with. probaly not the most safe thing but deff fun when you get the hang of it
Adam you need to bring this to Norway in upcoming February
And about who you give this to
Im that kinda idiot that can handle this kinda Crazy ha ha.
Another question is how Long time would it last with me, I would Abuse this Thing everyday 🤣 and im like 130kg but it probably still Fast with a chubby guy like me
Would be fun!
You need a vesc controller
What’s that?
what if, you put a mid drive on that bike too. make a 3 motor e-bike.
Wild 🤯
the controller is definitely overheating not the motors or battery.
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