Single or Dual - Electric Scooter Efficiency
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Let's solve this once and for all. Does single or dual motor get better range? By how much? This riddle has been solved.
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Something VERY important to consider is that your rear motor will likely overheat in single motor mode if you're cruising above 20mph. I overheated my King GT rear motor on the single motor range test but didn't catch it on camera. The economy gained in single motor mode isn't worth the potential damage in my opinion. It's likely one of the reasons Dualtron scooters ONLY have dual motor mode.
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Agreed, I burned a controller in single motor mode with my Speedway 5 bought in 2019 (which is minimotors brand, like dualtron), it is not worth the economy. The difference in power consumption is probably due to best acceleration (more power) in dual mode. Regenerative brakes maybe help to minimize this effect. Nice video ! 👍
Not all dual motor scooters or ebikes has that kind of overheating issues.
All or almost all of the Kaabo Wolf scooters has a design flaw that let's you easily overheats the motor when running it in single motor mode.
I use dual motor for long distances IOT maintain long term reliability. The tough nut to crack is which mode is superior for traction purposes, I constantly switch back and forth between modes when off road.
I always use single motor on my 9+ to preserve battery but swap to dual motors for hills or boosts. The rear motor does get warm but not to the point its hot. So your video proves that single motor is indeed more efficient but you are saying it can cause it to overheat?
if you do get the time or if its possible.. any chance you could test this with the Vsett10+R 🤔🙄🙏
I think one of also the biggest things to consider is the wear and tear on your electronics. One motor is going to be getting way hotter and be used more which is going to lead to more failures. I would believe if I had a dual motor I’m probably always going to run it in dual motor
yep that`s what I`ve heard and why I opted using single motor or at least during the summer. Do you have any idea if using single motor in colder weather negates the overheating? Afaik going for 1wd also puts a strain on the controller though I`m not sure why it would.
Oh I just saw this, I aid the same thing , plus you'll have more power ready in dual motor mode.
cold weather certainly would negate some of the heat and act basically as a coolant. these hubs are all air cooled designs. most have slots in them to let air pass through, some do not but the whole hub acts as a heatsink which dissipates into ambient air, hotter the air the less cooling effect and vise versa.@@isellcrack3537
Just got my Wolf King GT Pro😎 Sadly I moved from Seattle but always wanted to ride with you GOW! Keep up the good work.
The answer depends on rider weight, if you are light enough for single motor to be efficient then single motor will take you further, but if you’re heavy and one motor struggles to push your weight then dual will take you further.
I agree!! And one more.. don't forget that this test is with low weather temperature... if Ginger make this test in summer there is no luck on one motor..!😘
hills too though not just weight..
Not to mention that even if he did more tests with results in favor of single motor usage, in the long run, you'll likely need to replace that rear motor much earlier. Shared load, for me, is more forgiving on the motors.
More tests on needing on othe PEVs.
I seen other scooters and E-Bikes gets better range in dual motor mode.
I seen some gets better range in single motor.
Most of the testers/riders has been lightweights or normal weight.
Ginger is over 200lbs
Amazing how you go to the points and questions we all have, instead of being just a video ad for the brands...
Just bought one, fan from NZ 🇳🇿. Thanks for your efforts and great content
Either way, I think when the weather is warm the range is better overall.
True 💯
Don’t think that is one of the factors 🤔
Great test video, but I am slightly surprised by the results. I did some tests on my Varla Pegasus (the only scooter I have that shows current on the display), and tested 6 modes up the same exact hill (gear 1,2,3 / single & dual each), and dual gear 1 used the least amount of current. In single motor, gear 1 was almost double the dual motor current.
So I would have expected dual to slightly outperform single.
But you are right, I think any range improvement in single motor is negated with the wear and tear on that motor. And for those that may prefer single motor for less torque, it is probably better to adjust the power level in the P-settings and still keep it in dual.
Also, thank you for putting the name, model, link, and a discount code for the scooter you were using. So helpful.
If you have time, put links to everything you show or use in your videos, we love to buy the same crap people are already testing and using... and I mean, everything!
Cheers!
I always wondered this, great vid for clearing that up
Be that as it may, you'll wear down that rear motor way earlier. If I got two, I'd rather share the load. 😁
I love this. Didn’t know about single v Dual until recently
Great video as always thanks! I’m torn between this scooter or waiting for Apollo pro in q3? Voro has refurbished for $2995, which is 1000 less than a pro for a lot more range, and self sealing tires , the 2 main things I would want . I’m a 200lb rider, would you recommend this over the Apollo pro? Thanks
Great topic, thanks for your efforts.
Ive asked this for years and no one on any channel has given a definite answer. Thank you Ginger ❤
Nice Vid I was always curious on the outcome as well.
Nice to see a video of the wolf king gt pro. N I see u gave cruise control another chance
Great Video as always.
I've got a question, I have the Wolf warrior 11 GT, Have you had any issues with the rear suspension bolt? My mantis one snapped a few years ago so i upgraded the bold from those hollow ones.
I concerned my Wolf will have the same issue and im scared!! any advice would be amazing. Thank you
an interesting experiment Ginger!
I have to admit...I assumed that the physics of energy would show that it would be a wash...maybe slightly better range in dual motor as you're not fighting the resistance of the front motor. I was wrong. :)
I would mention that, and I could be wrong again, but there would be more heat and wear and tear using the single motor only...so I still think it's better to always use dual motors and distribute the effort required across two motors...but I guess if you need the extra range one day, single motor it is...Hats off to you for making this video...exhausting work :) Cheers :)
I think that the greater wear of the motors is negligible, in practice it is perhaps a greater demagnetization of the magnets and perhaps greater wear of the bearings.
It would be a closer result if you were able to keep it at one speed the entire ride without slowing down or stopping because when you speed up or go from a stop, dual motor will draw more energy.
Great job!
It's true, the Electric Scooter Podcast is no more except for the final episode which features GoW in a Sin City interview. Thank you Ginger for supporting the show over the past two years and over 100 episodes!
Surprisingly close actually!
Great test! There is a bit of a difference and I would suspect that this difference in power usage may stay similar with lower speeds in absolute numbers but because of lower overall power consumption be more prominent.
I see it less about range and more about conditions. If it's wet outside then single motor (rear) is best, otherwise dual motor is best. The reason I prefer dual motors except for rain is that in single motor mode you are working that rear motor harder than normal and it's going to wear out faster than if the load were being split between both motors, especially if hills are involved.
I have now a Wolf Warrior 11+ (60V35Ah). Even with low settings and slow speed, I never get more than 60 km.
Is there a noticeable range difference between mine and the King Pro GT ?
Very nice video. I always enjoy your content. I hope we get to meet your sister when you visit her and do some of the reviews you mentioned. Have fun be safe and take care
If you make it to Raleigh we have well over 100 miles of Greenways . Incase u want to do a nice long ride. Neuse river Greenway is probably my favorite. Goes by the river for 35miles one way with some great views
Hi there, how may we get in touch with you about a scooter review? 🙏
So have you heard if riding in single motor can burn out the controllers or just the motor?
Did you get the charger from ewheels? If so, did you change the end? They only offer that in gx16-4 configuration..
I have a gx16-4 to gx16-3 custom adapter I can pop on the end.
As a new owner / rider of the wolf king GT pro, what should be my guideline to know when I am close to the “end of the line” so I don’t wind up stranded out on a ride?
Know your cut off voltage
Be carefull when opening throttle at the exit of corners because the motor will force the front wheel to slip first before the back due to less weight on the front [ in conditions like slipery deck or strong scooters in extreme cornering ]
Pin it and hope for the best.
99% of the time, people say dual motor mode is more efficient. I’m so grateful that you actually tested this. People that say dual motor mode is more efficient, have tend to be highly educated, and speak with absolute confidence.
i am amazed by your results. what is also interesting, is that i have always thought that somehow, it made sense to me that one motor would be more efficient under most conditions. especially when those conditions match one another, for each test.
i appreciate very much that you made this video! thank you for a very concise, clear, and easy to understand, video, and test. great work!
You are ( sensitive word used but CZcams flagged me for it , rhymes with dumbass ) You took this video as gospel . One motor is way less power and the amount of battery saved ain't worth the extra load on the one controller not to mention the heat in the motor. Remember heat is what destroys a magnet's push and pull . .
If you riding area is flat and you dont weigh a lot, it really won't change all that much however if you ride in an area that has steep hills and what not, then you will get a lot better range in single because you only max out 1 motor on the hills. It comes down to what your roads/hills are like
what part of north carolina you comming to if its near charlotte we can ride in charlotte i have a zero 11x
Dude I'm down in clover sc. Close to you! I've got a wolf king gt pro. Are their any groups you ride with In charlotte?
i think it depends on the speed. if tested on economy mode like 25kph the whole way the final results could be a lot different. try to do the test at different conditions.. eg. speed and terrain.
Hi! 2x500W motor or 1x1000W motor? Are there differences in performance? Thanks!
Great question but I think it would be equal in performance as both will put 1000w in total power.
*Ive had many electric scooters, 27 to be exact. That I have bought, sold, and traded. I have two rn, a Nanrobot Lightning 2.0 which is duel motor, and Fluid Vista, which is single motor. Both can go up to 31mph.*
What’s really interesting is that my fluid vista has faster acceleration, and it can get up to speed just as the same as my Nanrobot with duel motors.
duel means fight
*dual means two
@@allemander hahajhahahahahahah sick guy , 😂😂 but you right 😂
My brother lost his leg 6 months ago and use to travel around on his regular scooter. He was bummed he'd never get to ride again. I'd love to get him one of the dual motor scooters but they're so much money. Anyone know a good website to look? I don't have money yet but in the future it would be cool to know where to look
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3rd test - use single motor mode excwept when speed drops such as going up hills, turn on dual motor mode for hills etc.. The theory is that with dual motors working there is less strain on the motor because with a single motor the single motor will call for more power to try and maintain the speed which will cause more battery drain.. Single motor would be working a lot harder for a longer period of time.. So when going up hills use dual motors, otherwise use single motors...
But if you're in dual motor up the hill then you're automatically using twice as much power, no?
That was my point.. even tho the dual motor is calling for more power, would that offset the single motor having to work twice as hard to climb a hill that would also take longer because of the slow down in speed..
It would be interesting to cut the front motor down to 10%-25% and try this in dual motor mode. I'm sure that would take care of the heat issue also.
Love it
Why are some/most of these scoooters more expensive than E-bikes? Supply and demand?
😆😅🤣😂 Awesome video in true GOW style. Thank you Mr. Wheels...
Anytime, Mr. GiL
"Burning question..." Maybe not the best word choice during battery fire controversies, LOL. That said, in my repeated experience, when all else is equal (ambient temperature, tire pressure) in the case of steep hills, dual mode is way more efficient. Less power sucked going up hills as two motors are working together, more re-gen is added from two motors if coasting some on the way down. An exception perhaps, from mostly flat ground testing. Maybe a separate repeated hill test is warranted.
ima put this in simple terms, screw single motor mode.
ur only using 1 motor but guess what, that second motor becomes an absolute dead weight and as ginger mentioned in the comments, the potential damage is not worth whatever minor range increase u might get.
They should do a re-make horror movie like The American Werewolf or Silver Bullet (1985 Corey Haim) with the main character being chased through a wooded bike path or trail at night on a Kaabo Wolf GT and dusting the Werewolf but you have to add some close calls scenes where the Werewolf almost catches the main character ! Man, I can see the drift scenes on the dirt paths in my imagination clearly 😂. Where’s Michael Bay !? Lol
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The only time I ride In single is if I'm practicing my wheelieing capabilities. Which I'm usually going less than 10mph
If it's just 7% more battery usage to have it in dual motor, I'll pick dual motor any day, since my commute is less than 8 miles one way, and almost anywhere I would go with my scooter would be that distance or much less.
Dual motor mode translates to more torque and greater acceleration particularly at higher average speeds.
In fact i found little difference between the blistering acceleration of 2 motors, versus adding in Sport Mode when in rear wheel drive only up to around 40km/h.
* I'm just under 70kg.
You have proven that there is at least a 10% efficiency gain to be had by using the rear motor only.
But at what maintenance or parts replacement cost over time?
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Of course it's more efficient to ride in singal motor mode! I thought u told me u hated the wolf king GT pro??
About what I figured, single would be slightly better. I’d still probably choose to go dual unless I really, really needed the extra range because of the better acceleration and if you really needed to get out of the way of something fast, I’d feel better knowing both motors were on.
try that on place where basdic incline is over 10degree and vere go lover.. dual will be beter for no cooking motor but actualy rotate
Look at all the Green Grass. How jealous. Not one drop of snow where he is. 🙄
Hmm 8% difference with a single datapoint... Not enough for a confident vote
A device with double motors used in single mode is completely different from a device which is actually designed as a single motor... in the latter case the real single motor will have more autonomy..
The unused wheel will not be a freewheel, there is a certain resistance compared to an electric scooter with a single original motor...
*So if you have a device with an original dual motor, it is better to use both motors. And put yourself in mode 2 and don't drive too fast if you absolutely want to have autonomy
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Anyone who claims that running any scooter in dual motor mode is more energy efficient clearly doesn't understand physics.
Of course this test is with low weather temperature... in summer i believe 2 motors will win the test..!
And one more basic thing.. ISSUES!!!
If you are using only rear motor with motor temperature 60 Celsius and up rear motor or controller will burn...
So... is it worth it to use only rear motor....?
If I want to make economi to my scooter use 2 or 1 gear... always 2 motors!!😉
And my scooter power is 2 wolf GT in 1...💪😘
So another question,Soft start or hard start,which one is better?😂
For battery? Soft start, no question.
I think it also depends on the scooter But I'm gonna use this one anyway
Ok only 7% difference so concider the fact dividing the power x2 saves wear n tear on one motor working by itself , AND you have more torque ready ..dual mode seems like a no brainer to me.
But more strain on the controller ? And loss off power. And slower. Am i wrong. You did all that video and had the opportunity to give all kinds of results but chose to say here screenshot this .
Dual ruff terrain and hard climb,and tow as needed otherwise use feet to propel most of the time if your really looking for efficiency.lol.
Single on straight road, dule up hills.
on light weight or sine wave scooters single motor gets better range
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Now you need to stuff a 8000w fat fatty fat motor from UU motors in and see if it uses more ?? Larger motor . That motor is very hard to find with nanny state internet . But it's out there 6.5in same size tire. They say larger motors are more efficient than small
you again lol
am try findt hat motor am in the UK should be able to get it
@@smoxesk great luck friend . you should CZcams that stuff ? I wish I could ? I have a few techknowlagy advancements Id love to just give away to anyone to greatly improve scooters ,and other bikes / motorcycles . all frames are pure junk on scooters and bikes
@@Vmaxfodder I am slowly learning how to build electronic scooters just building up the courage to actually put things to practice, hopefully I will get thier , and if you still gave some parts in the future maybe able to build you something but that would be years from now
Get your hands on a slack scooter bro
If not anything dual motors in step hills is good, the beefy scooters has so long range still though, i bought one and I am not even touching one bar of battery, 😂😂
You get 50% more with dual battery mode.
1 scooter is too small of a sample base.
I have seen scooters and E-Bikes get better range in dual motor mode.
I have seen them getting better range in single motor mode.
Yeah this is really only useful information if you need to get that extra range to get back when you're low on battery. Then you would just ride at a slower speed in single motor mode. Otherwise, the efficiency isn't worth it and you're wearing out 1 motor more than the other
I can't believe it! Lol
Im too fat to use single motor for long periods🤣, so ill stay in dual for longevity of my rear motor.
OK not to dual 🤝
Ginger, it can be variety of problems why you overheated rear motor. As a person with mechanical background I can tell:
1. lack of grease in the bearings, or poor quality grease, or not greasing wheel bearings would lead to produce an extra heat.
2. bearings may be defective and as a result they produce extra heat.
For example, in my scooter back wheel bearings was to tight from the factory and I does not know that until I change them after 6 months. So, scooter used more electricity to accelerate and ride shorter distances because of that.
After buying brand new bicycle some people brought them to mechanic to adjust and grease both wheels and drive train. So, cheap bike start to run as high-speed bike. The same with scooter, if you properly prepare yours scooter it would run good. It is why so important after the warranty ended disassemble and check, clean and lubricate the electrical contacts, bearings, and other moving parts.
Only then efficiency check would be accurate.
Also I would like to add that if you got free of charge scooter, it is a charity.
What factories/companies give for charity?
In my experience all what was returned, repacked, some defective parts changed, when product can past at the lowest level quality control, it go to charity, advertisement at store windows, etc.
Therefore, this means you should check every 200 - 300 miles mechanics and electronics on your scooter to be sure it is run properly.
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could you be more specific to say what do you think about this issue?
@@ap3401 Yes!
Thought I lost a bit of acceleration on one of my scooters will send it in for a check up under warranty happy now I hot a 2 year warranty instead of one year
15ah 48 battery got 25 miles range 25mph
18ah 52v battery got 18 miles range duel 30-40mph
single motor scooters are way more efficient. A dual motor scooter in single motor mode still has to fight the rolling resistance of the front motor.
@@slick1908 there is a lot of speculation when comes to duel motors and single but I will say get more range from my iscooter ix5 only when hit hills does then the battery drain real quick on rhe iscooter ix5 but my other duel scooter gives me more range on hills as more efficient, I think it is all about how fat you are and how you ride , and the vaults providing more efficency?????? One day I will get both my scooters scooters charged and I will do the test, using same route ,.I will.use single kn both scooters see the ra ge then I will harte again and do a duel test with the same route and post my scientific analysis of the electric scooter
Single motor will burn the controller out
The controller has overheat protection and turns off power to the rear motor if you ride in single motor mode for too long. But it won't burn out the controller. Maybe if you overheated it every day for a month or something.
These non-ghetto communities are soo beautiful. Hopefully that one group of people stay out of these communities.
First comment bro
My results are much different when riding offroad and on dirt hills where traction plays a huge part. Single motor will not get you as far...
Eco mode uses single motor mode for a reason.