1:00:00 im pretty sure you need to unlock liquid fueled engines to get further rocket missions. You lucked into this eventually. Progression is a _real_ problem in career mode. Some other gotchas: * Solar panels are in the rover tech tree. You need to unlock these fairly soon after achieving orbit or progression stops. You don't need them -- the battery in the command pod is sufficient for all missions in the Drool system -- but it is required nevertheless. * You need to prioritize unlocking the (apparently) useless GATT Charts tech. This unlocks the proper map view. The next tech in the same line unlocks maneuver nodes. In addition to simply being useful, it is required for progression. * You need to complete a mission whose objective is "Achieve orbit in " to unlock the first new launch site. This only unlocks the pad -- if you want the adjacent runways, you need to complete a different mission.
@@KUStuctEng So now an entire new dev team gets to spend the next year learning the entire codebase from scratch, yeah that inspires confidence in me that the game will be released this decade.
Thank you Quill. You fixed one of my gripes about this game. The x2 physics warp was too slow. I never thought to go looking for a setting to increase it. Duh! I really enjoy the building and flying mechanics, a serious improvement over KSP I think, but it is missing so much of what makes KSP good. There is no sense of place. For example, you don't build in a VAB, you're in a endless void on a blue hexagon? Also, I miss the science, comm relay networks, and isru stuff from KSP. Basically a reason to build and send things somewhere. Juno is just a little too plain sandbox and could use some pizzazz and a sense of discovery... Still a good game though!
It miss lot of the flair of KSP 2, and is less polished but I was hooked the first time I had to design engines procedurally. Vanilla I think is a better game, but with mods KSP1 is probably better
1:39:55 In one of the movies, I think it was The Undiscovered Country, Spock asks McCoy if he wants to help perform surgery on a Photon Torpedo. Pretty sure that's what you're thinking about.
1:28:25 "I have to replay Mass Effect, and make exactly the same choices every time cause anything else makes me feel bad". They say play a different character, but that's actually a valid approach, that implies taking shit seriously.
I wonder if for Quills first Probe with to many stages he could have written a program that after stage 3 wait so long then open the cone. Removing the need for a fourth stage.
Looks really good! The kind of game I'll support almost like a different mod for KSP1 -- and because we do want to encourage more industry in this genre.
I was on the fence about getting Juno, thinking "Do I need it if I got KSP?". At around 1:40:00, I think I've made up my mind. When there's actual rocket science to do, but you could just go the Kerbal route and wing it through experiments, I'm all in. It's fun sometimes to check things like the air pressure to exit pressure ratio, and to have fine tuned control over thrust. This is the kind of stuff I wish KSP had borrowed from Children of a Dead Earth, and now it seems Juno is that middle ground. I'm not saying Juno is better than KSP, both have their ups and downs. It will probably take a while before I could get away from the KSP mods that allow programming and stuff, because I really like making old-school Apollo mission style programming too.
Once mod support is added (either by the studio or by fans) it will take about 0.5 seconds before cutesy aesthetics are added :D It's like the number 1 complaint among the currently 10% negative reviews on Steam.
I like Juno. it offers a program language. I could calculate all the orbit equations and use Linear Algebra stuff. In fact I spent much more to program it and debug then I just enjoy it automatically fulfill different tasks. Can KSP do this in a similar simple way ?
Watched through the whole VOD and yeah, this is going on the wishlist. KSP with better tutorials, programmable launches, good physics, and support for more interesting vehicles? Yes please.
hmm, look interesting, the big question with these, will it gets fully done. many ksp follower game made but most did not get far enough to be worthwhile, let lone any mod support to be fun beyond the first few runs.
The game is out of early access from more then a year. It is still updated with new things to do but I will consider it feature complete at this point. It's better then KSP 1 with mods? Probably not. But it may be a valid alternative, but I never got past a moon mission in this game (about 25h of play) so it may be boring later.
Crazy to think that when NASA goes back to the moon, there are a LOT of people out there who KNOW what all that data is saying and could step in and run it if the space control center went down.
instead of forcing turn 45 degree while fighting the atmospheric drag, the moment you reach 100m/s speed, turn 5 to 15 degree only (so basically 80 degree +/-5, test it out), and not 45, and then just unlock stability control (or lock it to prograde), and let itself naturally by on its own, it is called gravity turn... it's the most efficient to get most out of the deltaV it works in KSP, I always launch like that to orbit, I never played Juno, it should work here too if physics is correct
After so many different rockets, hundreds of launch videos, etc... Saturn, Soyuz, Apollo, Atlas, Falcon 9/heavy, Starship (do you see wings on any of them? no, unless like Starship, returns, but it can fold it wings away for a reason) People still put fins! on space rockets , Crazy Also, after first 20 hours in KSP you learn it fins are for planes, not rockets... or for rockets that stay in atmosphere and want to go straight (like warhead rockets), it's not for rocket that is going upwards, trying to get out from the atmosphere especially on 2nd stage is stupid to put fins Just use RCS or reaction wheel... and don't turn too hard, fins are just drag in atmosphere, and they will just "stabilize"? no, its not stabilization that they just block you from turning slowly Imagine if you had "wings" on your legs, when do a head jump to underwater , does it help? not really you don't need it to stay stable, just don't try to turn too hard don't put your hands sideways... put them straight out and do slight adjustments if you want to turn beginners put fins on rockets, because they don't know how to turn, and it becomes a bad habit... like you were always using a chair back to be able to sit up straight
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1:00:00 im pretty sure you need to unlock liquid fueled engines to get further rocket missions. You lucked into this eventually.
Progression is a _real_ problem in career mode. Some other gotchas:
* Solar panels are in the rover tech tree. You need to unlock these fairly soon after achieving orbit or progression stops. You don't need them -- the battery in the command pod is sufficient for all missions in the Drool system -- but it is required nevertheless.
* You need to prioritize unlocking the (apparently) useless GATT Charts tech. This unlocks the proper map view. The next tech in the same line unlocks maneuver nodes. In addition to simply being useful, it is required for progression.
* You need to complete a mission whose objective is "Achieve orbit in " to unlock the first new launch site. This only unlocks the pad -- if you want the adjacent runways, you need to complete a different mission.
Well given KSP 2 was recently killed, we could certainly use some alternatives.
KSP 2 was killed?
@@stellemark96 The dev studio in charge of KSP 2 was dissolved and the devs were laid off.
@@NightKevthey released a statement saying KSP2 was moving studios, they aren’t killing it. We will see
@@KUStuctEng So now an entire new dev team gets to spend the next year learning the entire codebase from scratch, yeah that inspires confidence in me that the game will be released this decade.
this is what happens when you don't buy enough nba 2k player packs! /s
Thank you Quill. You fixed one of my gripes about this game. The x2 physics warp was too slow. I never thought to go looking for a setting to increase it. Duh! I really enjoy the building and flying mechanics, a serious improvement over KSP I think, but it is missing so much of what makes KSP good. There is no sense of place. For example, you don't build in a VAB, you're in a endless void on a blue hexagon? Also, I miss the science, comm relay networks, and isru stuff from KSP. Basically a reason to build and send things somewhere. Juno is just a little too plain sandbox and could use some pizzazz and a sense of discovery... Still a good game though!
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So glad to see this. I have seen this game posted about in KSP2 threads. I have seen mixed reception from KSPers though. So highly interested in this.
The best "alternative" for KSP die-hards will always be KSP1. Juno is pretty decent though.
It miss lot of the flair of KSP 2, and is less polished but I was hooked the first time I had to design engines procedurally.
Vanilla I think is a better game, but with mods KSP1 is probably better
1:39:55 In one of the movies, I think it was The Undiscovered Country, Spock asks McCoy if he wants to help perform surgery on a Photon Torpedo. Pretty sure that's what you're thinking about.
1:28:25 "I have to replay Mass Effect, and make exactly the same choices every time cause anything else makes me feel bad". They say play a different character, but that's actually a valid approach, that implies taking shit seriously.
I wonder if for Quills first Probe with to many stages he could have written a program that after stage 3 wait so long then open the cone. Removing the need for a fourth stage.
Looks really good! The kind of game I'll support almost like a different mod for KSP1 -- and because we do want to encourage more industry in this genre.
Hell yeah, Juno!
It might not be up your alley, but I'd love to see you try your hand at KSP1 RP-1
The only thing with this is that it feels a bit sterile. The mechanics seem solid though.
Juno is a good game I just couldn't get used to the UI and mechanics.
Safety squint saving you from fall damage is just too hilarious
4:01:00 could add landing flaps and do more of a aircraft design
I love how quill clearly enjoys playing this game, he's as genuine a gamer as it gets
So, another KSP? I'm interested, love to see more.
I was on the fence about getting Juno, thinking "Do I need it if I got KSP?". At around 1:40:00, I think I've made up my mind. When there's actual rocket science to do, but you could just go the Kerbal route and wing it through experiments, I'm all in.
It's fun sometimes to check things like the air pressure to exit pressure ratio, and to have fine tuned control over thrust. This is the kind of stuff I wish KSP had borrowed from Children of a Dead Earth, and now it seems Juno is that middle ground.
I'm not saying Juno is better than KSP, both have their ups and downs. It will probably take a while before I could get away from the KSP mods that allow programming and stuff, because I really like making old-school Apollo mission style programming too.
I miss the cuteness of KSP but the rest looks solid.
Once mod support is added (either by the studio or by fans) it will take about 0.5 seconds before cutesy aesthetics are added :D It's like the number 1 complaint among the currently 10% negative reviews on Steam.
Solid fuel rocket to help a plane gain altitude? That must be a rocket-assisted lift force, or R.A.L.F...
this is the real ksp 2
0:50 Rich dude is like "I don't have the patience for patents!"
Algernon Fizzlebottom, because Alan Muskrat was too on the nose :D
I like Juno. it offers a program language. I could calculate all the orbit equations and use Linear Algebra stuff. In fact I spent much more to program it and debug then I just enjoy it automatically fulfill different tasks. Can KSP do this in a similar simple way ?
Watched through the whole VOD and yeah, this is going on the wishlist. KSP with better tutorials, programmable launches, good physics, and support for more interesting vehicles? Yes please.
Love it!
hmm, look interesting, the big question with these, will it gets fully done. many ksp follower game made but most did not get far enough to be worthwhile, let lone any mod support to be fun beyond the first few runs.
The game is out of early access from more then a year. It is still updated with new things to do but I will consider it feature complete at this point.
It's better then KSP 1 with mods? Probably not. But it may be a valid alternative, but I never got past a moon mission in this game (about 25h of play) so it may be boring later.
Bruh that accent is 10/10.
Better than KSP 1, not by a long shot. Better than KSP 2, yes by a huge margin.
exactly. Do you have a timestamp where quill discusses this?
Crazy to think that when NASA goes back to the moon, there are a LOT of people out there who KNOW what all that data is saying and could step in and run it if the space control center went down.
Algernon Fizzlebottom.
That is all.
I hate bald Elon musk
We still have ksp1 😅
Day 1 explosion DLC 😂
Thats how KSP 2 should've been...
You should play Cosmoteer! It’s still early access but it feels like a cross between KSP and FTL
instead of forcing turn 45 degree while fighting the atmospheric drag,
the moment you reach 100m/s speed, turn 5 to 15 degree only (so basically 80 degree +/-5, test it out),
and not 45, and then just unlock stability control (or lock it to prograde),
and let itself naturally by on its own, it is called gravity turn... it's the most efficient to get most out of the deltaV
it works in KSP, I always launch like that to orbit, I never played Juno, it should work here too if physics is correct
After so many different rockets, hundreds of launch videos, etc...
Saturn, Soyuz, Apollo, Atlas, Falcon 9/heavy, Starship
(do you see wings on any of them? no, unless like Starship, returns, but it can fold it wings away for a reason)
People still put fins! on space rockets , Crazy
Also, after first 20 hours in KSP you learn it fins are for planes, not rockets... or for rockets that stay in atmosphere and want to go straight (like warhead rockets), it's not for rocket that is going upwards, trying to get out from the atmosphere
especially on 2nd stage is stupid to put fins
Just use RCS or reaction wheel... and don't turn too hard,
fins are just drag in atmosphere, and they will just "stabilize"? no, its not stabilization that they just block you from turning slowly
Imagine if you had "wings" on your legs, when do a head jump to underwater , does it help? not really
you don't need it to stay stable, just don't try to turn too hard don't put your hands sideways... put them straight out and do slight adjustments if you want to turn
beginners put fins on rockets, because they don't know how to turn, and it becomes a bad habit...
like you were always using a chair back to be able to sit up straight
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Absolutely not anywhere as engaging as KSP.