2021 Porsche Panamera GTS vs The Cheapest V8 Panamera You Can Buy
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The 2021 Porsche Panamera GTS (USD $154,700, CAD $176,360) is everything you could want in a luxury performance sedan, but for 1/5th of the money, is the 2010 Porsche Panamera 4S (USD $25,700, CAD $31,988) all the V8 AWD German Sedan you need? Watch to find out! SUBSCRIBE!
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"What...!?" "I don't understand..." 😂 Thanks for having me on for this one! For those curious, I did a fairly basic analysis looking at the number of options in each category, and multiplying across, and came up with a number of about 1 quintillion. Probably low. It's a fun question to think about, but definitely needs some healthy time to derive/explain. To simplify it, we came up with the 60 yes/no options to keep the bit from sounding as dry as one of my videos. As always, y'alls production is on another level, keep crushing it!!
Praise maths!
J Dogg! I’m with Thomas at the moment.
DA FAK?????? 1 QUINTILLION!! Cant wait for people to flex on their porche Panamera calling it a "one of a kind" XD
Why ya gotta “Ew!” Thomas? 😂
Not within 10 +/- of actual. Channel reported.
The quality of these videos is getting better than TV shows funded by networks
You are correct. Ita really amazing how youtube channel's by the people for the people are getting better views and ratings than one no dissapointing channel that rhymes with toter smend...as i call it the "you didn't know this was just an ad for a merc and not s review until 4 mins in" 🤦🏾♀️
They've been there for a while now.
ABSOLUTELY agree with you.
Shhhhh keep it down, they will hear you!
These guys make cutting the cord barely an after thought
James is right. I sold my mom for a Panamera and I’ve never been happier. Thanks James.
I'd sell my mom for a mk4 GTI and a quarter pounder from Dons
What was her trade in value?
You naughty naughty
This sounds like something you’d hear in a radio commercial in GTA
Aaaaand you will saving money on Mother’s Day gifts. Win win!
I spent $25k on a 10-year old Porsche, and they're right. It's a maintenance nightmare. In 1.5 years of ownership, it needed an oil change.
Well Porsche is owned by VW so I’d expect they’d engineer in pretty decent reliability in modern Porsches
The Panamera was my all-time favorite car from Porsche and is becoming my ultimate dream car, what I'm gathering from this is I would have to have an oil change regularly for this car then? :( What about the mileage or fuel economy?
@@VigorousDragon819 I have an '09 Cayman S. Actually, as an update, at 12 years old there's a ton of maintenance for Cayman/Boxsters and 911s (I don't have Panamera's schedule). I just did oil change (yearly), engine air filter (4 years), cabin air filter (4 years), spark plugs (4 yrs), serpentine belt (6 yrs), and cleaned the throttle body (6 yrs). I did these things myself (thank you to a good friend and youtube videos to show us how). We saved $1000. I still need to do brake fluid (every 2 years), PDK clutch oil (6 yrs) and PDK trans oil (12 yrs), which I will pay a shop to do. Also, I had an ignition coil go out on me a few months ago.
@@Lucky008aau Porsche is expensive, but I hope when I reach 40 or 50; I'll be able to own one. I heard it doesn't matter about your profession, just as long as you know how to manage your money😁. I'm not very good at managing money but I'll learn eventually.
@@VigorousDragon819 Yes, it's all about money, investing, and having few other "wants." Live below your means (spend less than you make), invest the difference (S&P 500) early and often. You'll get there.
"I'm with Thomas at the moment."
"Eww."
That's the funniest shit I heard in a month.
agreed!!!
I think he replied “who?” Not “eww”
@@arsalanahmed6063 no he said eww, which is way funnier.
Haha that was hilarious
What happened a month before?
After you called EE, i expected him to show up with a whiteboard :(
I was hoping a whiteboard with random maths would be his picture on the phone.
That would it make it better, but having him on the phone is already cool. Baby steps.
The not lit up shaming button for the cooled seats killed me
Only Porsche could make you spend $150k on a car and still feel poor
@@ThatRosco458 they want us all to shrivel up in embarrassment "pah,
p a t h e t I c p e a s a n t s "
Maybe ventilated seats is standard equipment but the sport seats fitted in this car do not come with this feature?
@@joakimquensel597 They could still remove the button tho.
I love how they let us know that the older Panamera is on sale at a specific dealership and then unload on all of the things wrong with it. I'm sure the dealer loved that! 🤣😂🤣
In an ideal world the dealer should be aware of all the things wrong with the car and inform a potential buyer of those anyway although that's not how it usually goes 🙈🙈
@@K1LLeRc0ckthen he would never sell the car
21:51 "I'm so happy the didn't do like what, some other manufactu" *AH SCREW IT* "BMW has done."
*TRULY, LOVELY, YES!*
Tbh if BMW did the same with one of their models like Porsche did with the Panamera, then BMW would get slated for not being different enough
@@santana9537 I agree 100%
BMW has done it exactly as Porsche did it
on the 128ti, as matter of fact i just watched Matt Watson complaining about it on his CarWow review.
@@TheGbizaille 😂
I read this comment a few seconds before he said it
3:05 James - "You could sell your mum"
- What the heck 😂😂😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
also... did the camera fall over and it somehow snuck into the edit?
The dark web is a fascinating place
@@der4815162342 No, it was meant to be there
Yeah would've done that. I mean wouldn't do it
crazy to me that at like $35k you can find cars fully loaded with cooled seats, heated seats, etc. but a $100k+ car still doesn't have standard cooled seats. God I love Porsche though
That's why Porsche is so good at pulling money out of your pocket.
This may be better than Top Gear this days. Congrats!
*is
what do you mean "maybe" it just is
Definitely
Heck, it's almost as good as the old one, minus the high budget messing around of course...
I was going to mention that this gives me the thing I have been missing since they left. Grand tour just isn’t the same either... TH has been killing it in these videos
The 2010 Panamera: *exists*
Clarkson and Hammond: COVER YOUR EYES!
May : Coughs
Bmw: hold my beer
OH ITS BACK
@@sephiros9883 And BMW Also Gets Smashed LOL.
Panamera Wins.
The best car review channel on CZcams. You guys rock!
I went in between. Bought a low mileage 2016 Panamera Turbo in 2020, with just 30,000 miles. Upgraded to bigger turbos, 200 cell cats, downpipes and a tune. It now has over 700 crank horsepower and eats 911’s for breakfast. Also modernized it by adding an aftermarket Apple CarPlay kit. It’s a whole lotta car now, for a fraction of the cost of that new GTS that can’t even keep up with mine!
You can eat 911 with potatoes but 911 is poster/dream car of all we have more than 50 years old. 930 turbo, 993 gt2, Gt3 Rs... eat 911's, eat.
Would love to see some videos of it
Try hard much?!! 😂
Shows you specifically the option you didn't get. Suddenly i feel ok about the blank switches
Seeing engineering explained as guest really made me happy
I love this series of cheap vs expensive!! You should try something with a Mini Cooper, like a Mini Cooper s r56 vs a mini GP😵
@locouis how do you find its reliability?
One of my unicorn cars is a R53/56 Cooper S. Perfect future-retro styling, perfect size, more-than-enough performance. As you've said the only concern about it is the reliability. It's a good second/third car as long as you have a mechanic you can trust (and afford).
@locouis would you recommend it as a second hot hatch along with the Peugeot 308 GTI and a Honda Civic Base model?
@@georgekalifatidis2547the newer one (2016+) are very reliable, older than that they are very unreliable
Nah
Nothing better then a Sunday coffee watching these two lament about options lists! Love it!
I was about to say 😎🤩
hope you had a great weekend boss
This... this fills that hole in me that “Top Gear” and “The grand Tour” used to...
Top gear presenters were childish knobs, these guys are great
The Grand Tour is not bad at all, as I'm currently rewatching it.
Another fantastic video, I cant emphasize how enjoyable the production is. You guys really produce a review similar to top gear uk from the jokes to the information delivery. What irritates me with other reviewers on youtube is many of them seem like its difficult to drive fast and review the car simultaneously but you guys nails it.
This intro might have been the best one yet. And I didn’t think we’re gonna be able to get better. Your guys videos are absolutely great, but ur into are amazing.
I really enjoy all of your videos! This channel has a "special thing" that only a hand full of other channels have. Keep up the great work 👍
simple guy here, i see throttle house upload and i click on the video.
Same
for an older car... that is one beeeaauuttiful interior damnn... always loved porsche or say panamara interiors
That non touchable cooled seat button is actually exactly why luxury brand options are just ass
The intro alone is pure gold! And the fact that you brought in Jason Fenske (Engineering Explained) is priceless!
Totally agree with Thomas! Keep the analoge gauges and mix with digital. This makes the car a car and not an iPad I am looking at when driving.
My favorite car channel. Thank you for making all these great videos!
not only the BEST Canadian channel one of if not The Best on CZcams. You guys just keep getting better
I love theses old vs new comparison vids!👍
Cooling seat button. This was so funny. I really love your show. So refreshing! And i v been watching top/fifth gear for 20yrs. I think that comparison explains a lot.
I have a 2010 Panamera S and absolutely love it! The reason these two look so similar side-by-side is because Porsche nails the design of their vehicles at the onset. As a result, their designs are timeless, and experience incremental evolution -- as opposed to generation revolution as other manufactures do.
is it reliable im thinking of buying one used
like does the engine or anything cracks
@@sulaimanhafez431 Very reliable.
Whats the milage on yours when you got it and what is it now
@@elringa2617 I got the car about 3 years ago with 65k. About to hit 79k now. It was my daily driver when I got it. Now it is a secondary / weekend car primarily.
That intro is scarily accurate. One of my quarantine activities last year was optioning out a Panamera GTS, wishlist version and practical version.
My practical version was north of 200K US and I wasn't even half way through the options.
The comedy factored in with your reviews are simply hilarious!
Good job guys!
I feel like the older steering wheel looks better and the spoiler deploying was just 😍🔥🔥
I've owned my 2013 Panamera S (RWD) for a million years and that thing always keeps me second guessing. I look at Mercedes offerings (although I do own an S-Class), Audi, BMW, Bentley, the lot . . .and it's hard to replace the feeling that a N/A V8 with a crap ton of revs gives you. They're sharp and, after watching this video, instead of looking at Ferraris, I may simply consider buying another Panamera, just a smidge newer.
That explanation of the panamera models by James was brilliant! Absolutely hilarious. Well done, gents!
The way the wing comes out is just amazing by its self
One thing you have to keep in mind about the new interior that doesn't necessarily go for the old one: tech ages. When the interior is full of high tech screens and options it might look cool now and in the upcoming 10 years but after that, it will look dated, whereas a sleek classy interior with not too many bells and whistles will stand the test of time for much longer. It's something the designer of Bugatti talked about and I agree with him completely. A Bugatti has a pretty minimalistic cabin, but therefore it will never become this outdated car.
Similar problem with the maintenance aspect that they kept bringing up. The new one will have leaky seals and failing hood struts when it's old too. Will it be easier to service? Probably not!
I think they are comparing mindsets: 'old and it's your problem' vs 'new and then buy another new one before it turns into a problem'
Sorry... If that was true, the Trabant would "stand the test of time".
The key is to have the bells and whistles without cluttering up the cabin with 30 needless buttons that could have been managed under a virtual menu.
@@jasono2139 did you just used the trabant as an argument as why what the CEO of Bugatti is wrong hahahahahaha?
That's a very good point, the reliance on tech nowadays guarantees that cars will become obsolete so much sooner than they used to.
agreed, Bugatti is completely timeless, check out the climate control/stereo with those tiny screens inside the circled dials (similar to the ones in the Audi R8) and the very small screens in the gauge cluster. Even if that tech goes obsolete, you'd never know inside a Bugatti, which overall will remain elegant and free of big screens or button rows. But then, how many Toyotas could you buy for the price of a Chiron?
I’m lucky to own a 2010 Panamera S, I got it for $20k and in the last year and a half and with 151,000 miles, the only thing to fail was the starter.
Looking to get one as well, how are maintenance costs? Do you get lots of looks from people, does it turn heads still?
Answer
@@PSXuploads Didn’t see this till now! It has 168k miles now. Still turns heads and gets tons of complements. Luckily Porsche doesn’t change their designs too much but imo the older model is better in every way except the rear end styling (which you get used to after a week.)
@@Sup3rSn1per so in the extra 20k miles nothing broke down?
@@ptybuay507 nope, just a starter which was a 1 Hr job and did it myself. Still running strong.
Every time I watch you guys it's like when I first saw Top Gear. Bravo, keep it up :)
I was a big Top Gear admirer back in the days... the one with Clarkson, May and Hammond... was sad when that era ended... those guys bring big smiles back, and add a great dose of humor to car reviews... love it ☺️
Move on its been 8 yrs!
"But 30 grand and I'm pretty good at buying old broken German cars"
The first step is admitting you have a problem, either that or you become Tavarish
*Hoovie.
@@tibor29 at least hoovie is charitable to the local mechanics.
It’s gotten to the point where I rewatch their old videos over and over again until they upload a new one
You guys are by far the most entertaining car reviewers to watch!
I own a 2013 Porsche Cayenne and love the buttons. The thing about car reviewers and mags, they never really get to spend enough time to get used to the cars. In Cayenne/Panamera's case, once you group the buttons, they make sense. Like 4 buttons for Auto/manual fan directions. Levers for fan speed, temperature, AWD mode, and suspension, easy access without looking. My other car is a Tesla Model 3... I'm so enjoying the tactile experience. :)
The Engineering Explained collab was what we all needed
I just realized Throttle House is this generation's Top Gear 🤣. Bravo guys.
This is the best video ever! Thank you guys.
I thoroughly enjoy every single upload guys!!! Thank you for all the superb entertainment!!!! God Bless
I love these new vs old. You guys should do a new A8 vs a 2007 a8
It's honestly amazing that you all did this video because I was literally about to look on AutoTrader at one of these while I take a dump. Yes as you continue to read this I'm currently pooping. I'm a bit backed up, I need to get more fiber honestly. But, thanks for the video in all seriousness while I poop.
Dude I love these series. They should make more of these
This channel is excellent; will never miss a video
Editing is ridiculously good
6:16 that launch looked so intense! Great quality videos guys!
You guys nailed it again. Excellent review.
THis is really the best style of videos you guys do. I can totally see myself basing my purchase or either or from this if I had the $$
Let's keep these old school
ew school comparisons up and hope to see more collabos!
970 Panamera Turbo is A LOT of car for the money. I agree with other comments the spoiler on the 4s was just a pop up did not open, motors go out and ppl put turbo spoiler on it. Only the Turbo and Turbo S and later the GTS had them. You can buy a well maintained 970 Turbo put FVD downpipe and a Tune and have a 600hp 585 ft/lbs. 0 to 60 3.3, 3.4 seconds. Add techart paddle shifters to keep multi function on wheel and be under 40k with a car that has under 50k miles, pdk, and awd. Still not enough cough up 20k more including install and FVD turbo upgrade, new ECU tune and TCU tune and have all the above plus 730hp/700 ft/lbs for under 60k. Thats a lot of car. Best of all you don't see many of them.
Great video! Always a pleasure to see an upload from TH
Analog gauges in front and displays on the side. That’s the prefect setup!
Gosh, I needed that intro this morning
I didn't expect that conclusion about the Taycan...
I loved the old Panamera interior then, I still love it now. Buttons FTW!
This has got to be the best video throttle house has made. Loved it ❤
I loved this video 🤣 the visuals are great and so is the commentary.
James explaining the turbo trims is so funny
This is a seriously good comparison
the quality of these videos is amazing
I can so feel Thomas, with his physical buttons and real proper steering and love for "old" cars 🥰
Best and most entertaining channel on CZcams!!
another Masterpiece guys! Greetings from Athens, Greece!
I really like this type of video. I've been looking at Panameras as my next car and there is no way I could afford a new one so its good to see how the old ones have shaped up after all this time. Particularly the potential repairs which is a big concern for me.
Did you get your Porsche?
@Omkar Patil I didn't mate. I actually ended up going with a Cupra Formentor. Great car. Obviously not got a V8 but engine is quick enough and is packed with features
I really like these segments !!! This is the 5th one I’ve watched.
Loved the intimate eye contact as Thomas delivered the "For tall people" line. I really felt seen as a tall people.
I like the older one. New cars are getting heavier and way more complicated. Plus I love the beautiful tan interior, over the black dungeon of a interior in the GTS. Thank you.
I still remember when the Panamera first came out years ago. Man, I feel old...
Amazing video. You two work sooooo well together
Lolol!!! When Jason answered the phone I absolutely died!!!! Love you guys!!!! Another excellent review, the used Porsche Panamera is a excellent reliable vehicle. Porsche is absolutely at the top of the JD power and associates list.
i agree with thomas, i remember thinking the panamera was ugly back in 2010 but now have to admit that has aged well.
That helmet clip in the intro will always be legendary! 🤣
DING
The monopoly reference was funny 😆then the whole cool seats segment. 😂😂😂 love this channel.
“Only on the Summer Solstice” 😂😂
Keep up the GREAT work guys !!
Hey great job. do a video on the old acura nsx vs the new acura nsx plz
The older Porsche literally got tired of the crap and closed it’s own hood lol 😂 awesome video!!
Honestly these intros are why I keep coming back, they're always so funny 😂
I enjoy seeing channels that I watch have cameos of other channels that I watch.
Interestingly enough, that spoiler on the 4S must've been added aftermarket. The spreading spoiler was/is only available on the GTS+ models. I had a 2013 4S--one of my favorite cars to this day.
GTS and Turbo models get the folding wing
What’s your top car?
@@jasonengland2357 I agree 100%
Sorry, I would still get a Panamera over a Taycan now or 10 years from now!!! I am torn between the 2 variants shown here, but might lean towards the 2021 over the older one shown. Great review. Nice blend of facts, analysis, and opinion/preference. Thanks
When I was growing up in the early 2000's my grandfather was switching between lexus ls500s, and Audi A8's, Then in 2010 he picked up a Panamera and he is on his 5th one now. Very unique and cool cars.
Got love the bit at 6:40! James is hilarious! Turbos and non-turbo models with turbos??? Say WHAT!!?? Hahahah!!!
24:19 the reflections are amazing!
Liking before watching the video never fails with you, guys.
Love the special guests they get on the show
Can't believe it's been almost 10 years since the panamera came out it came out when I was six and still don't quite love it as much as I should for an aged Porsche
I never understood how people think the panamera is ugly. I think it looks good, which I generally don't like 4 doors, but the stinger and panamera are exceptions
I think the issue that most people (me included) had with the first generation Panamera is the "Hunchback of Notre Dame" style profile line.
I agree
I think it’s ugly ..,way too big for me
Mmmm the first gen was ugly
They probably think it's ugly because when they think of Porsche they think of the same 911 looking 2 door design they been producing for many decades. Anything different is "ugly" to them. It's like Harley Davidson. As soon they as started making the Buell, they're like; "What is that F-ing thing?"
08:00 "What are you really gonna do with your .7 of a second? You could clap..."
That’s actually a pretty big difference. 5.5s for the S is a bit of a disappointment...
Thomas and James videos just makes my day
The intro was enough for me to like the video, the rest was bonus!
and also to comment now that i think of it