Nirvana Were a Feminist Band
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00:00 Intro
00:46 Title Card
00:53 Aberdeen, WA
01:32 Been a Son
02:01 Sappy
02:36 Olympia & Riot Grrrl
03:05 Sexual Violence
04:18 Cobain Interviews
04:52 Polly
05:50 In Bloom
06:25 In Utero
07:03 Actions with Words
07:36 Conclusion - Hudba
Remember when Kurt stopped in the middle of a concert to stop a sexual assault? And then the rest of the band members laughed at the dude who did it and made HIM feel uncomfortable? I do. A beautiful musician, gone too soon.
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@Johnny Okeeffe thanks
That doesnt make him a feminist lol
@@hwfq34fajw9foiffawdiufhuaiwfhw i assume you were ironic, so, no, people who consider themselves "normal" usually don't do this. They're more like, standing by and either looking away or waiting for someone else to act. This is the watcher effect or spectator syndrome, and getting up to say "fuck you, stop it" is acting like very few people do.
And this is, of course, a problem. What should be considered normal is standing up against sexual assaulters and rapists.
ironic how so many male nirvana fans are raging misogynists and somehow think they know "what kurt wouldve wanted" when theyre literally the people he didnt want listening to his music
@Warlord there's literally so many just in this comment section what are you talking about
@Warlord Then you haven't looked enough and just because you haven't come across one doesn't mean they don't exist.
@Warlord lmao, I have better things to do dude, take a look at the comment section as I said. If you don't believe me then I don't, I don't actually care if you do, you're just a random person on the internet
@Warlord The proof exist everywhere, on the internet and in real life, you are just blind to it and is just being a troll right now. How come only you here is saying they don't exist when the original comment has 72 likes, meaning people agree? You lack common sense and awareness.
@Warlord bro literally just go to newest comments
People who don’t think Nirvana was a feminist band clearly didn’t listen to Territorial Pissings.
And are the exact people he was singing about in In Bloom.
THANK YOU. YOU WIN THE INTERNET.
You deserve reddit gold, kind stranger 🏅
“He’s the one who likes all our pretty songs and he likes to sing along and he likes to shoot his gun but he don’t knows why it means” oooh
@czarpoesia And if you save yourself
You will make him happy
He'll keep you in a jar
And you'll think you're happy
He'll give you breathing holes
And you'll think you're happy
He'll cover you with grass
And you'll think you're happy now
*YOU'RE IN A LAUNDRY ROOM*
*YOU'RE IN A LAUNDRY ROOM*
The clues that came to you, oh
have you ever heard their song moist vagina.
'I'm not the only one' is 1993's '#metoo'.
@Shaggy Rodgers I'm pretty sure that line was written from a raped woman's perspective
@@nitimurinvetitum_ i think it is but it could go both ways
@Shaggy Rodgers well, considering the perspective from most of the song, and interviews he's had about it, it's probably from the perspective of the victim
@Shaggy Rodgers its from the perspective of the victim lmao
There was also that one time they had a concert in some latin-american country. They had an all-girl band as their opening act, and they got boo-ed of stage. Kurt was pissed at the crowd after that, so they played the first chords to "Smells like Teen Spirit" and just stopped to tease them several times, then just played songs nobody wanted to hear until they ended the concert early. There's footage of it here on youtube, it's pretty funny.
Yeah, that's pretty funny trying to piss off your customers.
@@jjwest1272 you're right, it's hilarious
Where they booed off because it was an all woman band or because they weren't all that good?
@@janetreid4515 What? You mean a band with merit? Who cares, they were all women, so obviously they were good.
@@janetreid4515 Knowing the machismo of rock music it's not a stretch to assume that the all women rock band was booed on the sole basis that they were an all women band.
The same people who listen to Nirvana/RATM and are homophobic/sexist are the same people who don't realise they're the ones being criticized in movies like the matrix and fight club.
It's so bizzare how so many people are just blatantly ignorant like that.
I think this very channel talks about it in a video about RATM, but to a certain extent, these people sympathize with the way the message is presented. Nirvana, just like RATM, has an anger and irreverence that feel justified and purposeful, and that moves much faster than the lyrics do. You can listen to one of their songs and get the feeling that the music carries, even if the don't understand the lyrics (be it ignorance or in some cases never having even read or heard them properly). It feels absolutely like shit, but sometimes people will just get the anger and not get how to direct it at the systems that the band is desperately signaling at with their lyrics.
Fight club is about the feeling of being trapped as a man in modern society and being unable to unleash your true self. American Psycho has a similar message. The Matrix is also a metaphor for feeling trapped, feeling like your life is fake etc. These are all films about individuals who can't be themselves and are trapped by societal standards. It's something I relate to on an emotional level myself.
@Yaldabub fight club is about the idiocy of traditional masculinity. The author said he wrote it to piss certain people off. American Psycho is about a serial killer, and is a criticism of capitalism. The matrix is about philosophy and being transgender. Please take a media literacy class.
I also recommend getting therapy if you think American Psycho is relatable.
Kurt lost his virginity by raping an autistic girl. The man was a perfomative feminist . Look up some of his history.
@@Yaldabub then you missed the point of FC and AP. FC in particular is aggressively making fun of people who choose all these ways to deal with their problems - they are destructive, explosive and violent, and they don't address their problems in a way that could even change anything, they just want to destroy for the sake of it. It's anti-social. It's stupid.
Excellent . I still can remember listening to Nirvana with a boyfriend when I was in my teens.He was this homophobic Hockey player who loved Queen and Nirvana. I remember that I explained the meaning behind many of Nirvanas song were opposite to what he believed.He actually became more accepting and open towards others after that...
How long after that did you break up?
No he didnt
@Charlie Cross my grandad was a homophobe who loved Queen 🙈 I'm happy he bought me up on Queen but would confuse me when he would make jokes about Freddie being gay.
Electric Shrapnel
Pretty quick...I am bisexual..😆
@@charisselinnellmorton851 oof
I wish there were more men out there with the empathy and emotion of Kurt. He was gone too soon.
Men are men. Kurt acted more like a masculine woman. Feminism is outright wrong.
Jaeger Entertainment what’s wrong with it?
Jaeger Entertainment stay mad incel
@@jaegerentertainment6865 dont breed
@@tchmsery6055 Lol why not?
When Nirvana came to Argentina in 1992, they brought with them a band made entirely with girls called Calamity Jane. The public in the concert treated the girls like shit and Kurt was so mad about this that he wanted to cancel the full show. Finally his partners convinced him to play but he refused to sing "Smell like teen spirit" as an answer to the audience attitude.
I didn't know this. what a great bit of info!
The would probably have treated any band not known to them as shit regardless of their gender. That's what happens normally in big ass concert when the opening act isn't well known and doesn't connect with the public.
Cobain + Nirvana have a weird relation with South Americans. The first incident I heard was how he walked past a child shooting up on heroin in the street. Openly just sitting there on the sidewalk and the kid looked up at him and smiled saying
"Hey, Kurt Cobain, Nirvana ! ! ! You guys rock" or something close to that.
It was a heck of a blow for him because he was also starting to use himself but I don't think he saw his own habit as being a way of condoning it for others.
Today I've got a couple of Brazilian friends on Facebook. They often share Kurt Cobain meme's a lot which is weird because the context of the ones I have translated promotes an oddly skewed perception of Nirvana. They have a very right wing leaning ideology and yet they seem to LOVE NIRVANA.
Am I correct for the majority or do you think I probably just have some weird ass facebook friends ? ? ?
@@danm3047 Because it didn't happened. It's made up
@@valcrist7428 um, no, it very much did happen. The concert was filmed and it's been talked about in countless interviews and articles.
Kurt was a strong feminist and very vocal about being anti-racist.
99 Bottles of Bleach fun fact: you made that shit up.
And very pro- suicidal!
Hahahaha. LOL
You people are a walking meme at this point.
I thought the Suffragettes weren't feminist...? You're really inconsistent regarding your claims about them, considering what you've said in other threads.
And yes, the Suffragettes were quite racist, like most white people at the time. This is why later on 2nd and 3rd wave feminism moved to rectify this, except your allies all hold the position of "Early feminism was better!"
@99 Bottles of Bleach Based!
Kurt Cobain was so ahead of his time it was crazy.
We need him now more than anything
also, kudos to this guy for making this video
Kurt was not ahead of his time at all. He was in the perfect time. Had he been from another time period, they wouldn’t make it. No one cared about grunge until 1992, when Smells Like Teen Spirit.
Well now that you say this we can say that you are not a nirvana fan
Now that you say this we can say that you don't know nothing and That you are not a nirvana fan
@@simorto me or nathan
Then why dont more people just think and take action like that instead of relying on someone who isnt here anymore?
The people who claim to love Nirvana but are dismissive of their blatant progressive feminism are the same kind of chuds who unironically say "I liked RATM until they started getting political"
Yeah he did well at picking a partner in Courtney love, Kurt was a preacher man.
I support actual feminism that wants equality not just women perfect man bad
true feminists totally support the issues men face too and they definitely don't think women are perfect and men are bad. feminists just want equality and respect for women, but also both genders. the radical, "feminazis" that make a bad name ruin it for almost all of the feminists out there.
@@hypatonic that’s so based holy shit
@@hypatonic no they don't feminists fights for equality for women people who fight for man rights are mra or what i am egalitarian
This might help some people to understand that Cobain was not just a "troubled kid", but a commited man who was fighting and resisting in such a variety of fronts (education, youth emancipation, mercenary media, feminism, etc).
He was so committed that he blew his head off and left his daughter without her father. Oh, but feminists say you don't need a father anyways so no biggie.
@@ayatollahal-avtomat8382 It wasn't a fucking suicide, dickhead. Seriously, look up how the police investigated the scene (if you could even call it a proper investigation) and look at the evidence that it was a murder. Don't go around perpetuating the false narrative that he selfishly committed suicide
@@emiliosgregoriou8943 ok but it was a suicide. He had a history of depression and suicidal thoughts.
Dont go all conspiracy theorist here. That shit is just dumb as fuck
@@ayatollahal-avtomat8382 people like you shouldn't be fathers. Feminists want people to be treated equally. If a father is a bad father, and his kids are better off without him in their lives (you think abusive parents should be tolerated? And pedophiles?) then yeah, their kids don't need them. Kids become healthy well adjusted adults with or without one parent, and with same sex parents.
@@emiliosgregoriou8943 Either one could be true, there's a lot of evidence on both sides of the story. However, I'm on the murder side because of the argument stating the amount of heroin found in his blood would make it hard to shoot the gun.
This proves why nirvana is my favorite band and will always be
@@yo519_ ok anime pfp
Guns N’ Roses is one of, if not my favorite band, but I don’t look up to them as people at all. The members of nirvana especially Kurt understood stuff that many people don’t get today, and that is something that you can’t say for GNR.
Woah, I appreciate your honesty!
What did they understand? There mentality was cultural Marxist bullshit.
@@hardluck8732 Being against rape does not make you a cultural Marxist. The lack of understanding here seems to be on your part.
I get what you're saying and I agree, but not even Duff McKagan? From what I know, he seems to be a really cool guy
Jenny John he’s a trolling reactionary
Kurt was ahead of his time. Nirvana is one of my favorite bands. I really didn’t think of them as feminists until I really dove in to Kurt’s life and Nirvana’s music. He is a sweetheart.
Ahead lol he litteraly fucking kill rock n roll. fck him first of all second of all may he do heroin in hell now
They put Morals BEFORE Money, something Nobody does anymore!! They were and are such an amazing group of men.
NIRVANA SAYS GAY RIGHTS
P E R I O D
@Gupster 23 Wokka-wokka
@Gupster 23 we’re already the gay lefts
As a trans bisexual fan of nirvana this just makes me fucking euphoric
Quite literally lol 7:15
hi axl
hi axl
Where's Axl?
hi Axl!
miggy gotta love Dave
*proceeds to furiously jump into Daves drumkit.*
Kurt is the anti-incel man and we STAN
no he wasnt at all
so many male nirvana fans are in denial lmao sad
@@girlsnightgirIsnight an incel means involuntarily celibate? Isn't attached to any stereotypes or ideologies at all. Kurt himself talked about having trouble getting laid himself. Basically ur saying he's anti men receiving love and affection alright
....is it crack?
@@girlsnightgirIsnight good one man avoid the question with a poor comeback real smart
Nirvana - Territorial Pissings
Never met a wise man, If so it's a woman.
I was waiting for this I was disappointed
When I was an aliennnn... cultures weren’t opinionnnssss...
It’s like he was saying “I wish I was part of a more intelligent species that didn’t wish to generalize and stereotype everything.”
Lol
The first wise man I knew was my mother. My father was a complete dipshit.
Mister E
Awww that brings back my late high school and Uni days
Wish Kurt was here today to educate the people who are still misogynistic today.
conservatives so often miss the point of the media they consume. movies like fightclub, games like bioshock, music like... literally the entire punk movement. the message and satire just flies over their heads
Don't you just love pjw
I freaking love when they use Born in the USA as a patriotic song.
@@EquestriaGuyor ratm and only listen to the ‘fuck you i won’t do what you tell me’
can u explain the meaning behind fight club?
Tell it to Johnny Ramone.
Don’t copyright this video I allow it
What if ur alive lol
But does Courtney allow it?
Please don't impersonate the dead even if you're just doing it for fun, it's kind of fucked up
Who brought you back to life!?!?! 🤣
@@LydCal999 I completely agree. Wtf, if he really respected him, he wouldn't be such a dip
such a good synthesis for people not familiarized with nirvana, their music, and the message they were trying to convey to the world. This is a great video to show to any person who thinks Nirvana was just another "angry garage band" of the 90s.
They were THE angry grunge-band. You think grunge, you think Smells Like Teen Spirit
"I like the comfort in knowing that women are the only future in rock and roll" - Kurt Cobain
Shariam Arpi And lo and behold, many great new rock bands are fronted by women today.
When it comes back they'll bring it back. It's the truth. Everything is cyclical. We're not in a rock phase now.
Except they were not.
That's pretty sexist.
Rock and roll is dead and has been dead for a while. Rap is the future of music.
Kurt is such a amazing person
Yep, agreed !
My dad is a huge homophobe but he loves Nirvana I showed him in bloom then came out he told me to get out of his house
In Bloom is one of his favorite songs 😂😂😂
I hope you're okay! :(
Damn. What a asshole. I know he still your dad but man, I know how that feels.
I’m so sorry to hear that, i hope ur doing well and are ok!! Proud of u 💜💜
God the irony is real
I hope you're doing better now
Hope youre doing alright, youre a legend
Oh boy these comments are gonna be fun
Here’s one,
Kurt was a feminist,
And then a woman paid a man to blow off Kurt’s brains for his money.
If if it happened.
Jason 'Ryback' Hemingway,
Throw in an emoji so that people can tell that you meant that tongue in cheek. Otherwise, you just sound like a moron.
No, throw a emoji only if you have a mental disability, they aren't necessary for normal ppl
If Kurt Cobain could read these comments he'd probably kill himself again
and what are their politics and general outlook on life?
Thanks for this. I was a huge Nirvana fan back in the day, but I was so young that most of these messages pretty much flew over my head, and in the intervening years I never quite took the time to go back and hear them. It's not a stretch to learn that, coming out of the scene they did, they would share such views, but it certainly seems true that, for whatever reason, their legacy in popular culture hasn't included their passion for social justice and their role in bringing that discussion into the music mainstream.
I came down here to comment exactly what you just said. I'm 37 years old and was a huge fan of Nirvana as a teen in the 90s, but these messages completely flew over my head as well. I'm a feminist and am blown away I never caught any of this. You're also dead-on that unfortunately their passion for social justice isn't remembered when thinking of their legacy.
Cheers to Polyphonic for making this video. ♥
"Intelligent opponents" So people who defend rape? Don't think that would've helped him out man. The insight you're supposed to glean is literally spelled out for you in the video, that shit happens way too often and mostly by the people women are closest too, really not that hard to comprehend.
Same here man, gotta revisit their catalog now.
Yep. This totally flew over my head as I was a teenager listening mostly to Nirvana. Now Im a 36 year old guy, and the line that stays with me is "teenage angst has paid off well, now Im bored and old".
:D
Thats what good songwriters do. They write lyrics in a sarcastic tone or a sort of cryptic way, they know some people will get it and the morons will take it literally. I was also too young to understand it all back Nirvana's heyday though.
To all the stereotypical straight men in the comments : feminism --> women = men, NOT women > men. Therefore, Nirvana was a VERY blatantly feminist band. Now if you're not okay with that, you go against everything Kurt Cobain stood for, so maybe stop listening to his music and go find another random male artist who enjoys degrading women (trust me, there's a lot).
Humanism > Feminism. Same equality stuff but without the hypocrisy of feminism being for equality but doing nothing about divorce rights, fathers rights, circumcision etc.... also no man hating which is great. Kurt was a feminist in the sense that he lied alot and married a abusive racist lol.
@@SonicJaneStooge Feminism is for men and women. That means yes, all the things you listed there are a part of feminist goals. It means fighting for equality, also in these (few) aspects where men are disadvantaged.You might not experience it (or just won't admit it) but men are suffering from toxic masculinity too. Now, the phenomenon of this toxicity explains why some men opress women, but it's not excusing it. "Hating men" directly translates to hating patriarchy. Feminism is not hypocritical. But some men are very pressed about being confronted with the flaws of their own perspective, where sexism doesn't play a role.
@@beyondtheheadrush3863 Feminism is full of hypocrisy. Also it's for women and women only. Feminists say all the time "I could never be friends or date a guy who isn't a feminist/shorter than me/broke/*insert any preference here*". One dude said "I could never date a feminist" (not even agressively btw) & he trended cause all these feminists started insulting him calling him a "fat fuck" (body shaming). "probably living in his mom's basement" (shaming someone for not being rich enough to get a mortgage).
@@SonicJaneStooge this point of view is very narrowminded. Dating preferences have nothing to do with equality. I myself would not date someone that would believe that I am of less worth than them. Saying that fighting for human rights (feminism) and preferences for height, status etc. are the same thing is very harmful and ignorant. I do agree with you on the shaming though, that should never be okay or a part of feminism.
The point of you, that feminism was only for women is also not true. It is also for everyone that doesn't fit into society's gender norms and patriarchy and gets opressed for that.
@@beyondtheheadrush3863 That's the hypocrisy I'm talking about. Feminists be like "body shaming is wrong". Some dude: "I'm not a feminist". Feminists: "you probably have a small penis" LOL. There's so much of it. With abortion feminists be like "my body my choice". When men say "hey what about circumcision? My body my choice applies to us too" Feminists: "we're busy right now. call back later lol." Same with politics. Tons of feminists protested Trump for saying "grab em by the pussy". When Obama was deporting over 3 million people and bombing 6 middle eastern countries where was the protest? Again so much hypocrisy. Only talk about toxic masculinity NEVER talk about toxic femininity. Seom even deny it exists LOL. Hence why being a humanist > feminist.
this is why I love Nirvana...
Rest in Peace Kurt Cobain
You love nirvana because their feminist. That’s gross
@@jaegerentertainment6865 *they're
@@jaegerentertainment6865 OH GET GRAMMAR CORRECTED BITCHHHHHH
@@jaegerentertainment6865 YEAHHH TAKE THAT BITCHHHHHH!
@@jaegerentertainment6865 your gross
kurt is a *WOKE KING*
69th like
*was
Yep
*WAS*
@V eesel no, u r.
i know so many people who likes nirvana but are sexist and homophobic
*the irony*
Yeah its so dumb
Yup especially scrolling thru the new comments
The comment section is filled with angry men who just discovered that their idol was a feminist.
this went straight to my comfort playlist. i regularly need a reminder men like kurt existed, exist at this very moment, somewhere. i just miss him and never even knew him. thank you kurt, thank you endlessly
i love contain dude, seeing people like andrew tate made me lose hope but i come to this video for comfort to know that men like kurt exist
He's the one who likes all our pretty songs
And he likes to sing along
And he likes to shoot his gun
But he knows not what it means
Knows not what it means
And I say yeah
I live in Olympia, WA. Nirvana is everywhere (Not that I'm complaining.) I get my guitar lessons the same place Kurt would get his guitars fixed and they even have signed things from him and receipts of him crashing overnight hanging framed on the wall.
I really enjoyed this video btw!! I love Nirvana and their messages and what they stood for, amazing job on this :)
Where that?? I wanna visit!!
Andrea Chung music 6000
I live in Seattle WA!
This world needs more Kurt Cobain's.
No wonder he shot himself, he felt like no one of his fans understood him and his messages failed to reach them
Bruv he shot himself mainly because Courtney Love was abusive.
None of you have a clue about why Kurt killed himself. He killed himself because he became what he feared the most, a famous mainstream artist of his time.
Movere Ergo Sum If by “he shot himself” you mean Courtney Love shot him then you’d be correct.
Movere Ergo Sum no.. he shot himself because of how bad his stomach problems got. He used to take heroine to help treat it
Hometown Rapper No mate he got medicine for it and eventually resolved the problem czcams.com/video/gYlmulYxYyE/video.html
I know.. Kurt loved women and he genuinely loved them, not just for their bodies... Guys now days would call him a white knight, but he was a true gentleman.. and I would take that any day over a "nice" guy....
You're being wrong yourself too. You're generalizing all men and associating them to one property.
Was he a "supreme gentleman" though??
Defintley not, that honor goes to the late great Elliot Rodger
Disasterbator beat me to it lol
Kurt almost killed himself in Rome when he thought Courtney would cheat on him. Courtney herself admits that she thought about it. I believe his beliefs contributed to his misery. I believe he killed himself because he felt like he was weak and was depressed how he could be a millionaire but his baby mama would still think about cheating.
If Kurt was alive today, he would still be a feminist.
He'd probably still be shooting smack too. Most feminists are dysfunctional, most drug addicts are dysfunctional. Makes sense he was both.
Francois Dillinger, feminists from the 80s were actually feminists. ‘Feminists’ From nowadays aren’t feminists, they are dick-heads who think women are superior to men.
He'd probably be more hardcore about it since as you can see the internet has brought out the scum and made them believe they matter. Since horrible people are always the loudest people like him would fight it harder. In the era of trump and kavanaugh, every good soul knows we need to fight harder. It's terrible that he didn't prioritize his health. It was a loss.
Can you blame feminists? They have to live in a world with boys like you that were breast fed tell the age of 5.
He would probably be a SJW who gets offended by everything.
The world would have been a much better place if we had more people like Cobain!
We have a lot of people like Kurt now...they are called Anti-fa
I mean he was a heroin addict
Yeah, if only we had more heroine addicts.
This could make me cry. Such a wonderful soul
just like punk rock was a response to prog rock, grunge was a response to all that glam metal shit that was a thing in early 90's; both with music and philosophy.
great video, man. nirvana was such an important band to me as a teenager of the 90's. it's great to see that people still listen to their music and talk about their lyrics. cheers
pipomaggi and then it all went to hell... (Creed, Radiohead [early], etc.)
oh man, creed was the worse...
Nickelback>Nirvana
Dragon - mil50010
I don't give a shit. I'm only writing the truth.
Honestly I forgot how much Nirvana's music helped me . They've always been one of my favorite bands but as someone who has dealt with sexual assault listening to them really helped me in a time when I was down. I loved that Kurt aligned himself with topics that are still controversial today.
You should definitely listen to Hole too. Courtney Love is a great feminist song writer that really captures the female experience in terms of sexual oppression, beauty standards etc. Her lyrics are very dark though, sometimes to the point of triggering. But still, it's great how she channels pure female rage. Live through this is a great album, Pretty in the inside too if you like a more grungy, dark punk sound
The band was very ahead of their time and had strong messages on social issues which is really lacking in today's rock music. Most of the messages today are very cliche and marketed not genuine.
rock, while still being one of the top genres, is not in the spotlight the same way other kids of music are, like pop music mainly. I can guarantee that there at least a few bands or artists that sing about important things, but you just haven't heard of them yet since you may not listen to those genres
I remember listening to Nirvana as a kid and getting frustrated because I knew I liked it but didn't know why. I felt like I could almost -- but not quite -- understand it. In retrospect, I can say they absolutely got me thinking. Not so much about feminism (dyed-in-the-wool feminist from birth, intersectional before it became trendy, never ashamed to say it, so no awakening needed there) but about what I expected from the music I listened to. I mean, I still loved the 80s pop/rock/metal that shaped my early childhood, but I know I thought a lot more critically about music and its messages after Nirvana happened.
I feel privileged to have seen them in their prime.
That’s one of the reasons I liked the “Seattle” bands because they were openly feminist and felt like a corrective towards the sexism endemic in a lot of rock.
Let's be totally honest. If Kurt Cobain were alive today, angry young misogynists in Reddit, Twitter, and CZcams comments would be calling him an SJW.
Actually at this point, feminists would be calling him a misogynist just for being a man.
Only a couple obscure people on Twitter would call him a misogynist
@@RuminatingWizard I'm a straight, white male and have never been called a misogynist because I don't promote sexist rhetoric or anything that inherently lacks egalitarian views. If you respect every other sexuality, gender and race as your equal you won't be attacked.
@@RuminatingWizard yeah, they would just look at the title "Rape Me" and unleash
@Eliana Piriz what is a straw man?
A Nirvana video! Heck Yeah! Cobain has literally been quoted as saying he wish he was gay, just so he could piss off homophobes." I always thought that was so cool, especially since Nirvana was the FIRST band I ever fell in love with as a confused bisexual teenager. Hearing that helped me come to terms with myself.
I'll respect Kurt forever for that. He never forgot what it was like to "be different."
Just to could piss off homophones?
Just homophones or all homonyms generally?
99 Bottles of Bleach what's your point?
He wish he was gay so he wouldn't have to date someone who physically abused him in public and was hailed a feminist hero.
Of course he never put in those words, but courtney love took the message.
He put that in this way because feminism was never about equality and he never had a chance to complain.
Sexuality is a capitalist lie
the more I'm learning about this guy, my respect for him is increasing manifold. His thoughts, lyrics and words are relatable entirely today. We need guys like him, man.
There was not a drop of toxic masculinity to be found in that band. One of the reasons why they’ve never stopped being a favorite of mine.
Kurt Cobain, one of the most aware and underrated songwriters in rock
Dragon - mil50010 The difference between those two and Cobain are astounding, Lennon and Mercury were both groundbreaking artists musically and lyrically, but Kurts way with words that have double even triple meanings is what I think makes him underrated
Sailor Jerry Kurt said he wrote his lyrics last minute and didn’t put any thought into them
ABRAVExSTOVE that’s what makes him a genius
deadboyvivivi Kurt said he didn’t care about his lyrics nirvana was a great band because of the impact the had and their sound but their music is actually very simple from a musical theory standpoint
Well, I suppose most artists considered to be 'greats' get far more tv coverage, but that's arguably due being more pop friendly with wider appeal. Many teenagers that went to live Nirvana gigs in the late 80s to 94 will be well into their 40s now. You might have to wait a while before they have a foothold in the media you consume, but I'm sure I've seen a Nirvana documentary or two on tv before. The last concert seems to be on here, Munich Germany 1994
Truth. One issue I had with Christopher Cross' Cobain bio was how the author glossed over the grunge musician's feminist politics, and his involvement with riot grrl punks, his love of the Breeders, and advocating for Patty Schemel as a replacement drummer for Hole. Like somehow those things didn't correlate to his affection for his mother, sister, daughter, and Courtney Love. Or even the fact that the R&R HoF performances by Nirvana were all headed by women--a fact Cobain probably would've loved.
I feel like the person who's really upholding the feminist legacy for Cobain and Nirvana is Krist Novoselic--or the dude who was in Nirvana with him for the longest amount of time, and the one who still has a serious pulse on the PNW punk scene. Not that anyone else associated with Nirvana is terrible, but Novoselic has done some pretty amazing things to ensure Nirvana's legacy remains entangled with the parallel riot grrl scene.
Not only a feminist but also a left wing revolutionary
They were left wing revolutionaries back in the days when the left wing supported free speech. He would’ve hated today’s leftists so much
@@MorgansTrainClips i can’t remember that the left was against free speech? Unless you’r one of those that claim that greta thunberg is a nazi...
@@eouroshopper4423 who the fuck is saying Greta Thunberg is a Nazi? I’ve never heard anyone unironically think that in my life. However, the CEOs of CZcams, Facebook, and Twitter are obviously anti free speech, with that being what I was referring to in my original comment
@@MorgansTrainClips i met a old guy on insta who claimed that Greta was a nazi becasue her ideology on renewable energy was a concept brought up by the Nazis and therefore also made her a nazi😂
@@eouroshopper4423 well I agree that guys an idiot but the fact that you used that as an example for why I’m wrong when there are probably a total of 10 people in the world who unironically believe that is kind of unfair imo
Fantastic video, Jesus Christ, the respect I have for Nirvana and the messages they wanted to spread will never stop growing
you forgot to add this as one big one. On October 30th, 1992, Nirvana were booked to play a major show in Buenos Aires, Argentina. They were so big at that point in time that they just about sold-out José Amalfitani Stadium, which can hold nearly fifty thousand people. Prior to their set, Kurt Cobain witnessed the negative reception their hand picked opening act received, and was so incensed that he considered canceling the gig. Nirvana ultimately did perform that night, but they were sloppy and their set-list was more than a little unusual, as they purposely incorporated rare songs from their catalogue that they knew most of the audience wouldn’t be familiar with, including a couple of unreleased numbers. It ended up being one of their oddest shows, and it was all captured on videotape by a professional film crew.“When we played Buenos Aires, we brought this all-girl band over from Portland called Calamity Jane,” Kurt recalled. “During their entire set, the whole audience-it was a huge show with like sixty thousand people-was throwing money and everything out of their pockets, mud and rocks, just pelting them. Eventually the girls stormed off crying. It was terrible, one of the worst things I’ve ever seen, such a mass of sexism all at once. Krist, knowing my attitude about things like that, tried to talk me out of at least setting myself on fire or refusing to play. We ended up having fun, laughing at them (the audience). Before every song, I’d play the intro to ‘Smells Like Teen Spirit’ and then stop. They didn’t realize that we were protesting against what they’d done. We played for about forty minutes, and most of the songs were off Incesticide, so they didn’t recognize anything. We wound up playing the secret noise song (‘Endless, Nameless’) that’s at the end of Nevermind, and because we were so in a rage and were just so pissed off about this whole situation, that song and whole set were one of the greatest experiences I’ve ever had.” (from Nirvana: The Chosen Rejects)
This is one of my favorite "fuck-you's" Kurt ever gave.
When I was young-(boy)-er, there was this guy who would sexually harass me without me knowing what harassment was. Obviously, he took advantage of my innocence since I was four at the time. He did this every time I visited his home because my mom was best friends with his mom and dad. Then there was this year when my mom told me about rape, I was eight at the time then we went to his home for a Christmas party and he lifted me up to the mirror and put his hand up my skirt and into my underwear. I knew something was wrong, my mom told me about it, and I managed to get out before it got worse, and I convinced him to let me go. When it came to the part where you talked about Polly and its story, I began crying. I was eight years old when it happened and when you said "Can you imagine how much strength that took?" I remembered what my mom said to me when I told her about it.
One of my friends was raped at a really young age too, the rapist was either a relative or a very close friend of the family. He was caught in the act by some family members, and the family forgave him after he apologized. I don't know if he was prosecuted for it, but he absolutely should be. My friend was traumatized, and their family did nothing to protect them. All they did was tell the rapist that what they did was wrong, instead of making them talk to a therapist.
This is why I get so annoyed at all the anti social justice Warriors that act like being a kind person is new.
There are so many alt-righters in the comments
Also a bunch of lefties
TomHasError lmao what’s wrong with being a leftie?
TomHasError because kurt was a leftie himself.
@@frappe8855 so why would there not be opposition
TomHasError never said there wouldn’t be, but it’s stupid to act like leftists watching a video about a leftist is the same as right wingers coming onto a video to complain about a leftist.
Yep. I became a fan of the music as a child, but as an adult after reading books, watching interviews, quotes, etc. I also became a fan of Kurt as a person.
He was a self admitted feminist, anyone doubting that should read or watch some of Kurt's interviews. He even played at Rock for Choice (pro choice benefit). He was against homophobia, racism, sexism, a lot of the issues important to so many today.
Considering the amount of macho posturing bands did back in the 80s and 90s, I think it's awesome that Nirvana were so openly against that shit.
When I turned 14, an uncle of mine gave me 2 CDs. Nirvana's Nerermind and Pearl Jam's Ten.
Yeah, Pearl Jam rocked and still does, but Nirvana just blew me away. It opened my musical world to punk and old indie bands and just felt like something that got me at the time.
I have all their albums, Books and DVd and they are still my favorite band of all time. I knew they had songs that explored women's issues, but I never really stopped to think how it was such a big part of their music.
Cheers for the video.
You need to do one for ELLIOTT SMITH
Yes, and Jeff Buckley maybe together with his dad, some tortured guys.
Toasty Cabbage Waffles Smith is a genius who is always overlooked
its hard to understand elliott smith, one video wouldnt do him justice
i love elliott smith
Yessss Elliott is so underappreciated
Could this be similar to The Beatles not playing segregated audiences?
The Beatles didn't play segregated audiences because they are British. It wasn't progressive of them, it was regressive of the U.S culture.
@@Pheatan I never said it was progressive. I was comparing Nirvana's actions to The Beatles.
The Beatles refused to play in segregated concerts because of many factors, like not being from the U.S., being influenced by many soul artists of colour (that's why they called an album rubber soul), and other factors. Either way, they did a good thing
Well, yeah kinda
It sucks how many people who claim to be nirvana fans who are misogynists, or bigots of any kind. kurt would hate literally hate their guts
Now they are trying to twist it into a modern vs old feminism thing as if he would be happy with the state of women now in several countries. Idk how these misogynists are so ignorant to suffering, the whole Hamas thing has really shocked me and these people are still acting like women aren't constantly targeted.
do a video on joy division and how they influenced indie music and mad chester
Yes PLEASE
Now that I've heard of him, I would be more interested in a video on Mad Chester. Sounds like an interesting fellow!
its a genre of music from the city of manchester. manchester had a thriving indie scene and included some of the most influential bands of all time like the stone roses, oasis, the smiths, the happy mondays, the inspiral carpets and new order
Deadass, b
I can assure you Joy Division were not fascist. Sure, they had a Hitler Youth on one of their EP covers but that doesn’t automatically imply that they’re Nazis. Read into it, I’m sure you’ll see that they weren’t.
the jam oasis were not apart of the mad chester movement, oasis were apart of the brit pop movement. Madchester ended in the 90s
Hey dude, cheers for including that "No means no" bit. That's awesome of you.
so like everyone is tough anyway seriously you need some guy on the internet to tell you this stuff
Actually, legally, no they can't. Rape is the act of inserting a penis into an orifice without consent. Women can sexually assault, which is virtually the same crime, but they can't rape (bullshit I know). I think the focus is on women because they make up almost all sexual assault victims and are far more likely to be sexually assaulted than a male. Although yes I agree, men can be sexually assaulted to, and it is very hard for a man to come forward and report this. A more general approcah the subject would be great
Chongo Power I completely agree.
Except when you are kurt cobain, than no only means no when you shot your own face instead of living through it.
Because that's so stunning and brave to take that position.
I'd be very careful with people that overcompensate this hard. Not for nothing that a lot of male feminists are sexual assaulters or rapists.
such a beautiful video!!! it gave me chills!! it’s so refreshing to find a video like this. wonderful commentary and it was put together very well!!
“A waste of sperm and eggs” has to be one of the simplest but most effective insults out there.
Congrats on the video and especially on promoting "No Means No Worldwide"!
@99 Bottles of Bleach But that is true. Feminism equals equality
I've noticed the people least receptive or sympathetic to Nirvana's 'feminist' leanings tend to be the most passionate floaters of Courtney killed Kurt conspiracy theories.
Arno Theadorno Metal fans
Cobain married the prototype “feminist” and killed himself to escape her. It says a lot about Cobain and his opinion of feminists
maybe so
@@mattkierkegaard9403 Like fucking hell she was. She regularly tears down women and abused her daughter. Fuck her and fuck you for saying that.
@@AnthyLoneExoria And yes she is still hailed as a feminist icon.
Dude these people getting upset over women deserving the same treatment as men is fucking funny
The right kind of feminism.
The kind that we need nowadays. Nowadays a bunch of assholes just hijacked the movement
@@MorgansTrainClips stfu
@@mondo3556 that’s the exact kind of intellectual response that I would expect from someone with a username like that lol, you just managed to perfectly represent everything wrong with modern politics
@@MorgansTrainClips I dont need to intellectually engage with someone making such an idiotic claim
@@mondo3556 yeah, you keep telling yourself that, kiddo
An ad of Dave grohl came up before the video lol
So great to see the amazing charity plug at the end of this video. Also great video, was so awesome to see you covering these topics :)
Thorough. Nice editing, as always, and schooling me once again on the big details I somehow overlookef.
Thank u4 making this video. Kurt was so upset when the exact abusive men who he talked about started listening to his music & singing along. The song "In Bloom" was a song written about those men. The inside joke was meant to show how they sang along, not knowing that what they were singing about went against everything they were. Kurt's songwriting & strength in his beliefs should be taught in music classes everywhere.
I wanna slap my face when people say "Sappy" is about Kurt's turtle.
People are going to try to say “Oh well Feminism is different now”
The same argument against the current wave of feminism has been the same argument FOR DECADES now.
Just because people shape these arguments to be new doesn’t mean they are.
Mr. Ouija They are though lmao, new problems cause new arguements.
Yes, feminism, was never about gender equality (and I'm serious) that's why curtney is hailed as a feminist hero as well s kurt, even though she was frequently publicly abusive towards him and that she's recorded being sexually abusive towards people to this day.
I’m a firm believer in equal rights and treating not just women but everyone with respect. That’s my problem with the very extreme form that has transformed an idea of equality to an idea of superiority. In my opinion it tarnishes and disrespects the hard work done by people like Susan B. Anthony, Elizabeth Stanton, and Lucretia Mott. I dunno I just think we should be kinder and more respectful of others. It’s something I’ve been working on myself and I have to say it’s so much nicer
Mcfly Murderface no but those are rooted in fear, and fear is rooted in misunderstanding. The best we as people can do is help each other become more educated and stop reducing groups of people’s people into a single charicature
Feminism is just as reactionary and backwards now as it was when it was first coined.
Thank you for this video. I wish for more people to see it. It’s great and I love the message and awareness you’re trying to spread-especially with the organization at the end of the video. Great one
"He's the one who likes all our pretty songs, and he likes to sing along, but he don't know what it means"
Great video man. It's great to see someone focusing on these issues that were so important to Kurt. I was just old enough that my own views on the world were being shaped when Nirvana broke out into the mainstream. I gravitated heavily to them and picked apart kurts lyrics.
I think this is how he would want us to remember him.
I loved this video, just about as much as I love Nirvana and their music. Nirvana was a band ahead of it's time, yet made it a whole generational movement. I feel like definitely the messages got lost among so many fans they had, and I can't claim that some of these songs meanings didn't miss me either. But I'm so glad they weren't afraid to speak out, and just be a booming voice among the crowd someone that they couldn't ignore.
7:53 the drummer syncs with the beat in the background of the video
Jacob Frey u mean Dave
This is shit I literally tell everyone, Nirvana was incredibly woke and respectful. Kurt hung around women when he was younger and realised how language and music oppressed women. Fuck man, the rock scene rn needs to listen more closely to shit he wrote and said.
“Never met a wise man
If so it’s a woman”
- Territorial Pissings, Nirvana
@Generic Name I think you might be applying a certain connotation to the term woke which is associated with 'whiny liberalism' but yes, Nirvana was woke. And you can be woke while having that punk attitude. being woke is punk.
"If you're a sexist, racist, homophobe, or basically an asshole, don't buy this CD. I don't care if you like me, I hate you" - Kurt Cobain
Sorry if you don’t like the word, but that’s what they were
I’ve got a new drinking game. Take a shot of vodka for every comment you see saying that sappy was about a turtle.
I now have liver poisoning
Turtle
Turtle
Turtle
Turtle
Turtle
I died
Take a shot every time polyphonic says "sound"
Wish Dave Grohl would've continued this activism instead of going more pop rock... That's the biggest gripe I have with the Foo
At least he isn't doing it in Nirvana's name. He was at least respectful to Kurt Cobain and went his own route.
Grohl wasn’t really in Nirvana though. He was hired help and that’s all. The basis for Nirvana was built in poverty in WA during the 80s. Grohl showed up in LA in the 90s.
@@mattkierkegaard9403
Dave Grohl appeared in 2 of the 3 albums by Nirvana (the 2nd, Nevermind, being the best-selling), went touring and hung out with Kurt and Kris. He was really in Nirvana all the way in the end. Sure he joined late, but Ringo joined the Beatles late and he's considered part of the band.
@@mattkierkegaard9403 lol what, he was their drummer for 5 years, you're high.
@@TooCooFoYou Did you ever hear what Chad Channing said about being in Nirvana - you were in the band but you were never in the know.
Cobain & Novoselic started the band in Aberdeen, Washington 1987. If you weren't in it then you were never in it.
Grohl was an employee and nothing more.
Wow just looking at the dislikes shows how many salty people there are
There's a reason for that, there are misandrists who say they're feminists. They say the fight for equality even though they've demonstrated that they think women should be superior. Thanks to feminazis, the word feminist has become synonymous with misandry
@@cryo311old saying that misandry exists its the same that believing in reverse racism
@@marcelosaletti1183
It does exist, also there is no such thing as “reverse racism,” racism is racism. Your arguments make no sense.
@@cryo311old No, it doesnt, there is no such thing as hatred for man. The only thing that may overwhelm man is inside of sexism, things like "man must be tough, and they cant be emotional, or they need to be alpha, etc", THIS can screw any man, but still under the idea of sexism, the same thing that is a huge problem for woman. There is a whole cultural and historical background to sexism, hundreds of years of sexism, misandry is just term for weak dudes who felt attacked by the reaction of all this hatred. Its the same for racism, racism against white people doesnt exist, in the west at least it doesnt
@@marcelosaletti1183
There is a thing as hatred for men, dismissing that is sexist. Just like how misogyny is sexism towards women, misandry is sexism towards men. Sexism is simply just hatred or prejudice based on sex or gender, men do have hatred towards them.
I'm a new Nirvana listener and this video is a great guide for me to know about them more. Thanks a lot :)
I am glad a man voiced it (because so the anti-feminist movement has one point less to criticize) . Shared it on social media. Well done.
Plz do a video on The Doors or even Jim Morrison himself
I second this comment
Agreed. Please? 🙏🏻
I agree with this
just show me the way to the next oppressed girl
Yes the doors !!!!!! Jum Morrison is amazing
ive been a big fan of nirvana and only recently found out about bikini kill (oddly enough), and it JUST clicked that tobi vail is THE tobi vail from bikini kill
What a fascinating video and thanks for sharing.
I have recently came across your page and I am intreged!
Learned new stuff about one of my favourite bands growing up in the 90's and if I may ask polyphonic if you can do a video covering Imagine if you have not already done and also Reveloution 🙏,
Your videos I have watched have been interesting and informative but not in a negative way to say the least...I have learned subjects of my favourite bands and ones I grew up listening to!!😊
Please keep up the good work and the fantastic video work🙏👏👏👏👏
This video is gonna make some people mad, I can already feel it
Well, it did make me feel disappointed as it showed (beautifully, btw, nothing against the video itself) Cobain truly did believe in what's now become a big pillar of modern feminism (which I heavily dislike even as a left-leaning person).
I really hope it doesn't because it shouldn't
I mean, mad at the channel, people should be mad because it's been fucking 30 years and people still don't get that being an asshole is not a good thing in general
Everyone w a little common sense was a feminist back then but today if we had common sense we would be against feminism, or at least we would be MRAs.
For ex, if we have 60/40 ratio women to men in college, when are gonna start pushing young men to go to college?
aidan's angels no, that's a no true scotsman fallacy hon, I think its a bit past your bed time
You make incredible content and I am glad that for Nirvana, you explained their lyrics, their message and how socially aware they were. Not just they are grunt and cool. This is a great video and I love that you teamed up with No Means No because things are very important. Your videos are very good and really inspire me, I appreciate your channel very much.
Nirvana changed the world for the better, throwing out misogyny and fascism from the mainstream. Anyone in the comments claiming feminism is cancer have a twisted idea of feminism, feminism is equality for men and women, ridding of oppression and misogyny.
I love this video. I've always enjoyed watching the exact people the song In Bloom is about sing along and claim they are huge Nirvana fans.
There’s a video where St Vincent says that Nirvana were feminist and this guy in the comment section kept calling everyone a bunch of “soy boys” for spreading lies. In Bloom is basically about him!
Thank you for this. I hadn't listen to Nirvana in a long time and I did not know these things about this band. Also reminded me why I love them so much. Thanks!!
So many people in this comment section are so mad for no reason. Like they clearly don't know the definition of feminism and it SHOWS.
@ that's not 'today's feminism', it's performative feminism. There are still may organizations that are actually trying to tackle the bigger issues like rape, feminzide,
the fact that in many countries woman are still seen as their husband's property, the fact that in many countries it is still allowed to rape woman on the streets, legalizing abortion,
Getting rid of the wage gap
ect...
Just because most of the shit you see on Twitter, buzzfeed, Facebook or where ever you get your Information about feminism from is kind of ridiculous, doesn't mean that's all there is to it.
@ yeah see that's what I'm saying. That's not feminism. Feminism isn't 'hating men' it's wanting to be seen as an equal to them. Also feminists help with men's issues too. Like the fact that many male victims of SA are often looked down upon or told that they 'should've enjoyed it', like that's a thing that directly stems from the patriarchy and feminists are also against. Or that men's suicide rates are so high because they were always taught to supress their emotions. That's all things that feminism wants to stop, so it's not only for women's benefit, but for everyone's. Feminism isn't trying to take anything from men we just want the same things that men have for woman all across the globe. It's simple really, and beneficial to everyone. There'll always be extremists that are saying that they hate men, but every large movements has people like that. It's not what real feminism is though
@@dennisdebro5444 True. That extremists ruined the name of the “feminists” that leads to hate actual ones.
'Sappy' means so much more to me now. Thank you!
I fucking love this video! This is so great, there's so many things I overlooked in their songs. I would love to donate to No Means No Worldwide