Riz: Parallels with Thomas Mann’s 𝘋𝘦𝘢𝘵𝘩 𝘪𝘯 𝘝𝘦𝘯𝘪𝘤𝘦 (Beastars Season 2 Analysis)
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- *A note*
I have been reading the comments in the video and I want to clarify something that I may not have been too clear about. I do not, by any measure, equate homosexuality to pedophilia; that was not the intent of what I was attempting to communicate. What I mean to equate, and what I do believe I clarify in the video with my contentions outlying the two, is the similarities on their journies to vice. When I juxtapose Riz's consumption of Tem in Beastars to Aschenbach's predatory activity around Tadzio, I am not calling Riz a pedophile nor am I saying that all gay men are pedophiles (I am very much aware of that harmful stereotype). I am instead comparing the paths they took to committing equally base actions. When Mann writes Aschenbach, he clarifies that, at first, he has a separate attraction to the masculine aethstetic. It is when he realizes that it is not an aethstetic appreciation of masculinity but an attraction -- not to minors, but to men in general -- that he does not know how to react properly and thus misplaces this realization with volitionally preying on a child. I am not saying that Aschenbach is gay/bi and ergo a pedophile. I am saying that he realizes he's gay/bi but mistakes his sexuality for pedophilia/misplaces it onto Tadzio voluntarily out of confusion because he cannot properly process this newfound, self-truth bomb. Thomas Mann makes this distinction in Death in Venice far clearer than I could ever eloquate. I say the same for Riz: he realizes his attraction for Tem through a longing for male companionship but (potentially) mistakes it for predatory instincts. Like Aschenbach, he does not understand nor can he come to process this realization properly, and thus caves to what he believes to be predatory instincts. This does not mean that this was an act of pedophilia, nor does it assume that Riz (and all gay/bi men alike) are pedophiles. It just draws parallels between two characters that experience a corruption arc when failing to process internal emotions and aesthetics; the thesis does not ever state nor intends to insinuate such an abhorrent and backwards position apropos the LGBTQIA+ community, specifically gay/bi men. I hope this clears things up and I am sorry for the potential confusion.
A character analysis juxtaposing Riz’s descent to that of Gustav von Aschenbach - the main character of Thomas Mann’s novelette, Death in Venice - to illustrate his corrupted expression of suppressed emotional feelings and his sexuality.
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Citations:
Itagaki, Paru. Beastars, Volume 1. Shonen Champion Comics. 2017. Print.
蜜漬けの記憶. Beastars. Orange Studios. Itagaki, Paru. Season 2, Episode 7. Orange Studios. 2021.
Mann, Thomas. Death in Venice. Dover Publications. 2018. Print.
Visconti, Luchino. Death in Venice. 1971. Panavision.
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Please read my description! Very important clarification in there!
From the first moment Tem told Riz he was scary, the bear fell head over heals for him. I believe the real reason Riz really didn't take his pills that night was to impress Tem. Noticed the quotes. Tem-Riz, you seem kinda off; your body looks swollen."
Riz-"You noticed?"
The bear says this enthusiastically. So I think Riz wanted more than friendship, but he went about it too quickly and drastically with not taking his pills. Sometimes, being subtle is the more safer option.
that's a good assesment
He shoulda taken less pills instead of tossing em'.
Or maybe just not.
I think the whole Riz Tem eating ordeal was just a fabrication of Riz's mind. He held Tem as a concept, an ideal and not as a real person. That's why he says they are still friends. Tem didn't want to die, in the moment of fright he called him and all carnivores monsters, what he truly felt at that moment. That was the real Tem, he was scared to die, he did not accept his death and even if he did, he did it out of suicide because he knew he couldn't escape a bear, that there was no chance of survival. I believe either Riz fabricated the whole "i accept you for who you are A.K.A eat me" so he wouldn't have to deal with the trauma or Tem said it in a suicide attempt as i mentioned.
But yknow what. This is the same anime where a wolf constantly wants a bear dead but just stops hating him the moment the bear asks for a break because either he wants to talk some BS or because they chose the worst place to kill each other ever. So he might have aswell actually wanted him to eat him. Beastars wasn't actually that realistic emotion-wise in this part of the series.
Edit: Riz was the perfect psychopath character. He felt like he was right in what he did and he was portrayed as such, he was portrayed as calm, collected, kind and mature, while Legoshi was portrayed as impusive, juvenile, and immature for wanting to bring justice for Tem. He was basically the pink dress wearing villain from Harry Potter, the one more hated than Voldemort. They are both portrayed as if they are right, because they believe so, and the other characters agree with them because they haven't seen the psychopath's crimes. But they are not. Remember, just because someone is calm, doesn't mean they're right. Remember that GET OUT OF MY CAR NOW, video? The woman was calm, but she was actually teasing him the whole ride and cancelled the ride the last minute before arriving, so the driver wouldn't notice and she wouldn't have to pay. She knew exactly what she was doing, she purposely made the driver mad through the ride only to catch the moment he snapped on video, in order to make her look like the victim. That's what Riz does.
There is gay horse, now we have a gay bear. Beastars is a very weird literature.
its wild
At this point they all gay, the gayest straights ever written
All these characters are Bisexual like seriously
All of them can be gay if you try hard enough-
To be fair, the female love interests only exist for about 10% of the time when the plot requitres them, so the rest of the time it's the guys getting intimate with each other with enough sexual tension to make to leopard girl dominatrix blush.
Beastars does state that predatory instincts are treated very similar to sexual feelings, with Legoshi training to control himself so he doesn't devour Haru, his love interest. In the Manga, this is also seen with Airdo a lion, going out with a rabbit. She ends up in the hospital, after he attacks her when going for a kiss. So, all of this to say, Riz was definitely into Tem in more ways than one. It's possible he developed feelings for Tem, and became somewhat obsessed with him- so obsessed he felt he couldn't hide himself nor should he have to. After all, he and Tem shared a special relationship right? So, it would honestly make perfect sense for Riz to be gay or Bi, and having that contribute to why Tem died. Riz views it as an act of love, and twisted as it is, we're told by gouhin in earlier episodes/chapters that this isn't uncommon.
I do have a feeling that legosi might Haru because of the skull that was shown in the beastars intro in season 1 which looked to be as a “rabbit head” I know that legosi is trying to control his carnivorous instincts but I still think that it might get the best of him but stil I’m not 100% sure tho but this is my theory
@@hanimbocugu1996 hey 👋, manga reader here I can a 100% say without a doubt that he will not kill Haru. ( not trying to be rude 😅)
@@somerandomblkgirl thank god or else I would be a little worried 😅
riz ends up with pina, so.... how can it be more obvious...and unlike tem pina didnt care he got hurt before
@@intarc0giotto do they? I never got that impression from the manga
i don’t know why, but the way riz describes the flavor, warmth, and texture of tem, the object of his closest interpersonal relationship, the person he figuratively gave up his life for, and the person he trusted so deeply, haunts me
It’s immaculately haunting because it twists a dagger into such an intimate idea such as a loving relationship.
RIGHT it made me so uncomfortable and seeing people be like ‘oH HeHeHe he’s so Gay’ like yeah but no.. this is just straight up creepy
This is such a fascinating take on the murder-solution arc of Beastars, and Riz's motive for murder. Or at the very the possible symbolism behind the motive
Thanks mate!
I think he just lost control over his predatory instinct, you people forget they are animals with human like society, but they still have instincts
This is an interesting take. But I think that moment where Tem says he accepts Riz..Is part of Riz's delusion. We know from the opening scene, Tem died calling Riz a monster..That tender moment was all in Riz's head. He even admits later that he fabricated those happy memories to ease his guilt.
Holy shit this is a really good character study of Riz's psychology and how this was a nexus event of the entire series
I feel so bad for Riz sure he is responsible for his actions but his society failed him as well instead of trying to help bears deal with their predatory instincts they just medicate them which is a lazy and painful way to “solve” a problem
I completely agree with you. I feel like this could have been prevented of society would've cared for predators for once.
@@xxfiredragonxx7771 a lot of things could have been better if carnivores were treated better one example is the lions of the Shishigumi as they all had no choice but to enter the crime world because everyone already treated them like criminals
Welcome to the gay side of beastars! Here we have: gay bear, bi horse, bi alpaca, lesbian alpaca, lesbian tigress and a bi deer
Also angry gay horse
And a bi wolf
And don't forget the lesbian jackal/zebra couple in the club!
And the gay peafouwl
Hopefully he can have a nice gay non-murdery relationship with Pina then. RIP Tem.
Nah that’s relationship has got too many “imma murder you” interactions for it to be healthy I think.
@@beajack4990 it's about the manga I think, pina visits riz often in prison
I really wish we got more of them in the manga after it was revealed that Pina visits him. I think their relationship is good symbolism for Riz starting over with a better path.
That’s not actually a bad assessment of what happened. One small point Riz at the end of his and Legosi’s fight admits to idealizing Tem’s final moments. Tem was the one animal Riz wanted to be closest too. He wanted Tem to truly understand him, and the guilt of devouring Tem drove Riz kind of crazy. The reality of Tem’s last moment is Tem died alone, scared, and fighting for his life. We know this because in the shower fight scene Riz says that there was blood and signs of a violent struggle. His body was bruised and battered.
Riz is most like one of 4 homosexual characters in the Beastars manga.
Who's the other 3
@@uwu--owo
First and not one of the other 3 but an argument can be made the Loui is bi. However that’s nether here nor there. Dom the pea foal from the drama club is the only character Paru has said was gay. He also speaks in the feminine way of speaking Japanese. So it was kind of straight forward. There are two background female characters in the manga that given the dialog and the fact the are getting vary friendly makes them most likely lesbians.
@@uwu--owo well pina was confirmed bi
@@polarisscale7030 when?
Legoshi is ambiguously bi in my opinion especially when it comes to Louis. And of course pina too
Riz's pill weren't for his instincts or urges, they where muscle suppressants so that bears don't get too big to prevent [insert-alpaca-death-here]
After I finished the season I rewatched Tem's death scene from episode 1. And I came to the conclution that that "nice moment" they had before the murder was Riz's mind and not the reality.
There's also evidence in sentences like "I'm happy I decided to remember Tem's death as a good memory" meaning that he willingly decided to believe that Tem was happy with him getting eaten by Riz.
So this is a really good take on how things turned out and I totally believe it, after all Legoshi says: "he's right we're not so different I would've eaten Haru, because of the strong love I feel for her, if I hadn't gotten help".
Ahhhh, So that´s why Riz never got a girlfriend...makes sense.
Very cool video, dude.
@@orwxll8082 👍😁👌💖
Frankly to speak it's hard to have a Bear as Boyfriend in Beastars world. First of all the series don't seems to show a female bear in Cherryton School, only male bear Riz and his Roommate. So the option much likely an interspecies love. Bear in Beastars are the largest carnivore with the average of more than 2 m in their 17 and Riz is the same like Legoshi that have unnatural growth (This world mostly use human height scaling, with Louis around 1.7 m). Not to mention Riz doesn't seems to have problem with same gender interest since he barely make friends and obviously a close one. Given a concept of Bear depicted as Monster because the growth of their muscle mass. A standard panther capable of ripping a herbivore so you can expect just how easy a bear to rip herbivore arm as if it was a paper. That's why Bear who pass 2 m have to go through restraining pill to suppress their muscle mass. So it's easy to understand why Bear have a hard time get a close friend. The risk of being rip apart not worth to start a friendship as the society would think. And after become close with Tem, Riz being obsessed and doesn't want to let Tem go away as he can't guarantee he will get another one like Tem. This is the where he messed up, he should back off a little after wounding Tem. Try to convince Tem that he means no harm and be more patience. Tem would understand because he is friendly one who can understand as he does when knowing how monsterous is Riz
@@-ArdhaniChandra True
For anyone who's wondering the actor who played the boy is called Björn Andrésen and he also has a interesting story. There is even a documentary about him called 'The Most Beautiful Boy in the World'.
I had no idea! I’ll go check that out later 👀👀
@@orwxll8082 Yeah. He's literally the original inspiration of the "bishounen" concept in manga.
When I was watching the scene of him killing tem, the vibe I got off of this ordeal is that Riz loved Tem so much he killed him. Which we know is possible in the world of Beastars said by the doctor in the black market. So it is most definitely a plausible theory!
Why do I feel like I’m in church rn
My guy really just went *"herbivores = minors in the beastars universe"* bruh moment
I remember that in the manga Riz had started that Tem had not accepted him at all and instead Riz just chose to remember it that way. That he’s not stupid and on some level realizes that, just that now they can be together forever now that he’s eaten him, he doesn’t want to be his last memory. Many carnivores do this when they end up eating someone, where they don’t remember (or dont want to remember) and instead fabricate some other event in their mind.
Riz should have taken his normal pills everyday
Literally the whole point is that the pills don't help.
I know that. It's a joke. Look up the song "Mask"
While it is an interesting take to have, I don’t believe the parallels really work between the two fictions. The core foundations of the character’s motivations were completely different. Aschenbach’s obsession for Tadzio was based on his admiration for his physical appearance. Where Riz’s obsession was for to have someone understand him for who he was. Riz wanted self validation, himself to be understood. Aschenbach lusted after someone for their superficial appearance. The only parallel that was present was the fact that either predator character had an obsession at all that resulted in some form of madness. You could also argue that the size difference between Riz and Tem could have been symbolism for the dynamic of the adult Aschenbach and Tadzio, but it is a fairly thin comparison. Aschenbach’s obsession never resulted in his death. His dying was just happenstance, while Tem’s death was directly in relation to Riz’s obsession.
Aschenbach desired the superficial exterior of another.
Riz desired acceptance for his non superficial interior
that's a good detail that i forgot to incorporate when considering interpretation; I am glad you brought it up because it's integral to the storytelling of the piece as a whole.
I don't think the character was written to be gay, but I KNOW the wrighter of the manga is VERY aware of gay people(SPOILERS) (gay sex club)
By rewatching beastars recently, I think most of what Riz says about how Tem said "how he will accept him no matter what" yada yada is made up.
He made that up, so he won't feel guilty about devouring him
This video is a wonderful assessment! It pleases me to see someone actually take the time to go over Riz's character and motivation like whilst embracing the high possibility he acted out of attraction for Tem. It's something we could use more of tbh- it feels like a big part of his character!
(Spoilers from the manga, anime only's be aware)
I feel like this could further be supported by his new relationship with Pina. It's much more subtle, but learning that Pina comes to him twice a month in juvi, and Pina considers him his "first male friend" while wanting to know how he should look to Riz, (asking him if he should let his fur grow out or have it cut) etc., feels like a implied symbolism for Riz to start a new.
He's found a new partner, a herbivore who's fully aware of what he is and what he's done, and yet still accepts him for who he is just like he wanted Tem to do.
It's quite sweet actually ^^
Glad I wasn’t the only one who just saw gay ✨ when watching the Riz arc
Bruh I saw gay throughout the whole show and manga
@@FurrySupportMain True, very true
This is a nice take on the arc, Tem is literally one of my favorite characters despite.. yeah haha, he’s just so cute. RIP Tem 🗿
wow :o very impressive character analysis, it's interesting to look deeper into Riz's reasoning and mentality during this arc. I thoroughly enjoyed watching this video, good work! :D
For a second I thought that your fursona was Legoshi's Grandfather
Wow Riz in into Vore? I'm Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Surprised
"but really if it wasn't important to the story I'd laugh"
I totally agree! I really felt like Riz loved Tem so much that he couldn’t control himself.
I think it’s implied that the tender moment Riz and Tem shared at the end was just a fantasy by Riz as he was actually just eating him
"Memories Coated in Honey"
Yup.
Honey was used as a thing to cover up and push away the pain...
And so this moment was him covering up the memory of him eating Tem as a predator with the false memories of Tem accepting him (after the "Carnivores are all predators" line)
That was certainly my interpretation.
Riz crafted a memory that was less painful than the reality. I think it's very obvious in the juxtaposition of them hugging, then a flash to Riz covered in blood.
Thanks for this, beastman mentality is a very interesting thing to ponder on
RIP Tem....
but watching Legoshi kiss Riz right in the mouth gave me slight wood, worth (jkjk :'])
haha gay bear make brain go brrrrrrrrr
lmao
actually we should be glad for beastars direction, it's finally something other than 'she killed her/him because she was jealous'
4:33
Tem moment
“Imma be racist real quick”
-Tem the alpaca, (don’t know what year/day this is taking place in)
Now that's a bear if ive ever seen one
I actually cried during this small story in Beastars as I had some sympathy for the Bear. He felt depressed and insecure of having to take meds and having to eat honey due to his predatory instincts. Meeting someone who accepts him truly as who he is made him believe he could truly be him self. It just made me so miserable to see it turn so corrupted and bad in the end, cause stuff like this can happen in real life and it’s scary
Don't be sad. I think the overarching moral of Beastars that we see (over and over) is that it should *never* be on the Individual to cope with the systemic oppressive issues that are pushed on them by society. Riz was given medication to dull his instincts instead of being taught how to understand himself.
This is a truly fascinating take on Riz’s arc - I really loved this
Thank you for bring it back!
Nice job, bro
These kinds of videos is why I'm glad CZcams has a playback speed setting.
not even a minute in and already subscribed, i just love the way you explain and talk!
This is such a great video. The way you analyzed and compared the two and then articulated it in such a clear, concise way is just * chef's kiss *
ty
Great video, and your last mention how its a great corruption arc is spot on. Hope you would do more beastars videos!
i listened to the whole thing and i really did enjoy this!
Very interesting take on Riz’s arc. Not one I would’ve ever thought of (the connection to Auscenbach) but I like seeing all these Beastar videos popping up in my recommended
I honestly loved this video. You made a BIG investigation.
Maybe the same thing is going to happen between Him and Pina.
Because in chapter 182 they're seen very close, I think it would be his new "love interest" but not in such a sick way as with tem.
i knew it. how Riz described Tem even after devoured him felt quite umm sexual in a way. also how he wanted to devour legoshi too at the last fight really made the idea stronger for me. so the french between Legoshi and Riz that time kinda rubbed in a funny way lol.
this video is awesome omfg
Comin' back to this video 1-2 years later because it's such a banger.
Much appreciated!
amazing video! It’s interesting how there’s so many similarities between such vastly different stories
i love him
yaes
also i hope youve been doing aight mate!
@@orwxll8082 I love the panda more he can give me his bamboo 🤪
Congrats you've made it to my CZcams recommendations!
God I love beastars, I wish it wasn't so hard to convince people to read/watch it. I keep trying to convince my boyfriend to at least watch the anime but all he sees are furries
Ikr! It’s a great show. There’s an amazing story buried under all the fuzzy animals lmao
@@orwxll8082 but kids watch kids movies with talking animals
pretty positive the whole fluffy scene of Tem and Riz right after the whole "you carnivores all suck" thing was a false memory, very serial killery type stuff
This is so so so so fascinating
I like the way you talk, you sound like one of my friends trying to explain something to me
Omg I just noticed it’s back yay
So Death in Venice is just the shota version of 'Lolita' the American book and movie. Or the perspective of Mokun from ep 1 of Boku... Don't watch it tho, trust me don't look it up.
Humbert died in prison. Shame Mokkun couldn't do the same.
I just binged this show yesterday, but to this puts an interesting take on it
Amazing video
people really do be makin 13 minute videos ab a bear who eats a llama on why he’s a serial killer homosexual y’all REALLY read too much into a furry comic
i just got done watching season 2. have not read the books but imma scope out this video.
You do know that the whole part of Tem "accepting" riz & basically offering himself up to be eaten was just part of Riz's delusion, right?
I read the title and went. "the what..."
This...wow this is a good video.
Seeing the parallels, I wouldn't be surprised.
Taking beasters as a straight up allegory just doesnt work for me for so meny reason....like i kinda have to warch it as literal
I don't know to what degree I agree with you, but I wanted to say that the "tender moment" they share before riz eats tem I believe was something he made up in his mind. He hallucinated Tem saying these things because its what he wanted to believe, but he even admits himself that deep down he knew it wasn't a true friendship. It shows what tem actually said: he called him a monster, and cowered in terror. This wasn't what riz wanted, he wanted to remember this fantasy relationship he'd curated while they spent time together. The only way he felt he could do that was to commit the most "intimate" act of predation, so that he would always 'carry tem with him', so they'd always be 'close', ending the relationship while it still felt good for Riz. That's just how i interpreted it though.
I don't *fully* agree but I can definitely appreciate your argument and it does make a lot of sense to an extent. I can relate to the way you connected it to prior knowledge of yours, presenting it in a way that you could develop a convincing argument. I don't feel like any of what I just said makes sense but whatever.
I get what you mean!
This was a good analysis but my only personal correction, besides Riz suppressing his true memories of how Tem died (as others have also pointed out) is that Riz's medication was to cause muscle atrophy because of his height. It was to suppress his strength rather than his instincts. Honestly I feel like it began as desperately wanting Tem to talk with him as his true self that led to Riz chasing him, the smell of blood, a cornered prey and Tem's words combined that caused him to lose himself long enough to do irreversible damage. It hurt so much to read and watch...
People who do "intellectual" "academia" shit during their free time >>>>
sdsdad ty
there's actually a very good amount of queer subtext in beastars, very nice take !
You are a Galaxy brain i love it
this kind of also reflects the movie Ichi the Killer which is one of the most disturbing yet also surprisingly funny movies I’ve ever seen? Idk if I’d recommend it but the styling is impeccable and some of the filmmaking is very interesting. The title character of the movie gets off to horrible violence and is very emotionally unstable and was programmed to be a killing machine after having been in an accident which caused him a lot of brain damage. Ichi is very unstable and is very pent up like Riz, but has an even harder time coming off as a normal person. There is another character who is more the main character I’d say who takes just as much pleasure in violence but has a sort of masochistic relationship to it and is very open and flamboyant with his style and personality. Ichi is hunting down the remnants of this out and proud characters gang while this character is hoping for the ultimate showdown between himself and ichi. He wants the pain that ichi will bring, but also wants revenge on him for killing so many of his fellow gang members. It’s a really wild movie
I’m sorry but the train picture was so funny 😭
That is if you believe tem said the last part, it was implied that the first part of his speech was real ,the last part was what riz wanted him to say, and the truth didn't matter because nothing would have saved tem anyway
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me the first two minutes to this video "What is this gay Lolita (I mean the book of course)?"
Dang the only comment not hearted I’m sorry
What I’m wondering is how your school allowed y’all to read death in Venice 🤨
You can get away with stuff in college lmao
we read this in my 12 grade lit class no one in my class finished it except me cause it was the last stretch of class.
Disaster gay, got it.
11:09 Makes me wonder why tho
Like if a regular person has an aesthetic attraction/realizes their sexuality it isn't through such terrible ways. I wonder what makes them different/why they expressed those feelings in such fucked up ways
Interesting vid lmao
Do a video on that little cat man with bats and magic poop
I don't think that scene where Tem was asking to be a part of Riz actually happened, rather it was part of Riz's delusion about his relationship with Tem. Tem didn't even really like Riz that much.
I see furry youtuber. I follow. Good shit man!
Very interesting analysis!
Also you pronounce Tadzio very wrong haha
thank you! out of curiosity, how does one say Tadzio? /gen
@@orwxll8082 Honestly I have no idea how to explain pronunciation, but you separated the name into Tad-zio and put stress on "i", so it came out sounding more Italian, while whole "dzi" is a trigraph so it's pronounced as one sound/letter. I don't know how to explain how "dzi" sounds like, so I just recommend slapping whole Tadzio into google translate on polish and make it read the name
sorry for god awful explanation, i tried my best!!! ❤️
@@greethree2819 oh ye i forgot polish does that with consonant clusters lol
thank you though!
Hah I knew it I always had this guy feeling when they were together
I- I thought they were gonna kiss...
They did a lot more than kissing 😰
Legoshi only got to first base :,(
I have never seen beastars or any anime but agree with this iguana (?)
It’s very good you should watch it!
for some reason my vid started ay 9:40 and i definitely didnt watch this before lol
wierd
I loved the beastars, I really liked the character of riz because he loved them, but now he can have someone else to love like Pina. RIZ x PINA UWU
Are we really comparing the relationship between two teens to that of an obsessive weirdo stalker and a random kid he had no relationship with? 🤔
You know that the whole predator prey thing is 100% a sexual innuendo, and also the whole eating thing is supposed to be like assaulting. It’s a lot more on the nose in Japan apparently where that is more apparent there as opposed to the west where it’s more of a subtle thing
But why did legosi eat louis ?
@@estelaangeles2346 seggs
@@chronicandironic8701 this is the funniest response I have ever seen in my life
Thank you
@@orwxll8082 no problemo, I love your video btw. The humor in the video was amazing
@@chronicandironic8701 glad you liked it!
The carnivores eating the herbivores has a lot of connections to sexual feelings. It even comes up in beast complex and is used to make a story about a one night stand that changes the life of a character.
I find it actually interesting, because though it's a 100% negative thing it still Carries a few positive and sweet messages about sharing your true self.
Though I'd hope that people take this as metaphor so I don't end up being offered a leg in my next relationship lol
Mostly unrelated but I still refuse to believe that Louis is supposed to be straight.
After his monologue about loving legoshi he’s def bi
What is an aschenbisan homosexual
I explain in the video!
This is literally a gay troupe of kill my gay. Riz was sweet and cuddle till he got hyped up n forgot how strong he was n lost it this is literally most gay attracts muscle guys forget how strong they are n when they hit you they almost knock your head off
Ow shit that sounds plausible, like if someone was in a type of relationship where physical pain is part of the sex and someone just accidentally forgets their strength in the heat of things and ends up really hurting someone
@@PichuElric most likely what the lamb found attractive about the bear was his strength n height. N most Asian bl, yaoi, gay art forms take on alpha n omega troupes with a lot of rape or noncon this could be they're version of this but more edgy like berserk
No relation.
I knew he was gay yay
I’m already obsessed with Louis/Legoshi shipping and now your going to make me like Riz smh
“To the three people who haven’t seen beastars, read the manga, or know what it is” why did you call me out
lol
I think something about the whole situation that’s interesting to consider is whenever Riz talks about Tem & that night, he explains that it “made up his adolescence.” (In the English dub he explains it as “his precious youth.”
Riz talks about killing, fantasizing, and eating Tem the exact same way adults reminisce about how they snuck their first kiss away from their parents- or skipped class.
*****TRIGGER WARNING from here on out: talking of sexual themes & sexual assault with Manga/Anime spoilers ****
This is made more intriguing when you realize that there are sexual undertones and parallels to carnivorous instincts *all* throughout both the anime/ Manga that makes you really look at this situation through a different lens.
Eating, other than sex is considered the most primal, natural want that humans have- both wants are connected to the limbic system in our brains, and they both bring out similar reactions. There is a general correction between emotional sex cravings and emotional food cravings (I can provide a source for this if needed)
Even in us, there’s a big tie between being hungry and being aroused.
When Haru was kidnapped and harassed by the shishigumi, even though the Lions was supposedly just “inspecting the meat”, what they was doing had sexual undertones that is tantamount to sexual assault/attempted r*pe when you really look at it. I got my mom to watch Beastars with me, and she was instantly made uncomfortable when she saw the lions force Haru to completely undress and pin her down while looking under her dress.
The strip club scene (& Cosmo’s story) from S2/Manga is another one that instantly pops up in my head when reminding myself of the sexual undertones of carnivorous instincts and devouring another.
Cosmo explicitly stated on stage that she intends to provoke both sexual desire and carnivorous desire in the carnivores that watched her, and it’s pans out to a scene of them all just panting and drooling of hunger & lust. In the manga: (this was changed in the Anime) Cosmo was actually giving a bear- sexual favors for extra money after her shows. Louis actually originally saves her from the Bear grabbing her head and almost devouring her in the bathroom.
When all is said and done, considering the explicit messages that Beastars conveys between sexuality and hunger- I do believe that there are definite sexual undertones between Riz and Tem. Especially with the way that Riz fantasizes about Tem.
This is a really nice and thoughtful video and discussion! It was a pleasure to watch. (Also, cute fursona, we don’t see enough reptiles in the furry community haha)
i love this kind of input on here mate; it's specacular. i like that detail you bring up about cosmo in season 2/the manga because it definitely helps to consolidate the tie between predation and sexual undertones that the story explores.