DEBATE: Shabir Ally vs. Mike Licona (Did Jesus Rise from the Dead? 2004)
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- Shabir Ally and Mike Licona debate the question "Did Jesus rise from the dead?" The debate took place at Regent University in Virginia Beach.
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#ShabirAlly #MikeLicona
As a Christian I am happy we can get together and discuss these topics in peace and leave in peace.
I didn’t come to bring peace but a sword
@@Carlos-sr8kmwhat is this supposed to mean?
But the truth must be told
@@Nabad-deedyou won't get an answer because even Muslims don't know
Be discernful friend
Man, I love educated religious people!!
They make jokes and say please don’t laugh 😅
As a Muslim, I think Mike Licona is a sincere believer in God. May God help Muslims and Christians triumph over the wicked agenda being pushed by the devil
Just drop it all brother
Ameen ya Allah
Islam is diabolical. Mutah, black stone worship, pedophilia, lies and violent conquest are all defended by the quran.
When Jesus told Peter that he was going to be crucified, Peter said " this shall never happen to you. Jesus replied " GET BEHIND ME SATAN ". Jesus said ANYONE THAT DENIES THAT HE WENT TO THE CROSS IS SPEAKING FOR THE DEVIL. HIS RESURRECTION WAS OUR Victory OVER DEATH. NOW WE CAN HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. THIS IS WHY HE WAS BORN OF A VIRGIN. GOD WAS NOT JUST SHOWING OFF. GOD WANTED ALL EYES FOR THE ALL TIME TO BE FIXED ON JESUS. MIRACULOUS BIRTH, THEN RAISED FROM DEATH. WHY?
May the Great Devil help us to defeat the great enemies of humanity - Allah and Yahweh!
These two (Shabir and Mike) really gave me insight into what real patience looks like. I love how they didn’t get frustrated with each other but spoke earnestly through out. Brilliant debate, learnt so much as a Muslim. Honestly there was a few moments where my mind wondered just thinking about isa/jesus and all that he went through. I can’t wait to visit Palestine just to feel the ground of where he once walked.
It's my dream too🇵🇸💕😊
free palestine
Lol mike did
These gentlemen were able to respectfully have a discussion on their beliefs. The rest of the world should follow this example.
Yes. This is the call of the Quran. God orders muslims, in the Quran, to debate and have discussions with the people of the book in a wise and a good manner.
Ever Mateo very professional. You’re dead ass right
Sami Mas Quran verse please
@@xxphillips thats total delusion. there is no such verse. he is lying deligently
@@xxphillips And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him
Quran 29:46
As a Muslim I’m thankful for the unedited upload and the polite discourse of the speakers. Peace ✌️
All God's on this earth is man-made.. Formation of the Earth starts from 4600 millions of year ago..
See the evolution of man, started from 208 millions of year ago, first human appears called Homo Sapiens around 144 millions of year ago in Mesozoic era..... Then from where these God's appears ?????,, Then Cenozouc era starts... & perfect man/wemen started ....No existance of any God mentioned..
From so-called God's:::Religions are invented to make partition between human to human. & Because of God's & Religions killings of human being, fighting, clashes etc are on the Earth..
Muslims, Christian, Hindu, Hibru, etc are formed in a groups to FIGHT.
If I proved to you with Muslim literature that Mohammed was a false prophet what would you do?
😊o
What polite did you see from Mike liconas side? Throwing bombs and mention he's 9 year old son
evil sarcasm!.
Christians can prove nothing they assert, it is just fables.
16:89 "And We have revealed the Book to you which has clear explanation of everything, and a guidance, mercy and good news for those who submit."
Knowledge without Faith is useless.
God bless all!
Proud of u brother licona!
As well I gotta admit as a Christian how respectful and therefor respectable Shabir ally is!
So let's love each other against the evil world dictation. Having differences and respecting them will make us great Humans
Came here because Nabeel said this was the debate that convinced him that the case FOR the resurrection was stronger than AGAINST.
I want to find out if all those dead people who walked the streets of Jerusalem after Jesus alleged resurrection, find their way back under ground?
@@ahmedvawda1282are you on drugs?
Same
I came here for the same reason...and that's many years after he died. Yet even in death, he still evangelize the truth. Eternal rest be granted unto him and may the perpetual light of God shine upon him forever.
Professional debate. Both very respectful and debated in depth. Love it.
This was such a MARVELLOUS debate. Thank you so much. I loved it.
Shabir is cunning He moves away from the essence of the debate
The Quoran produces hateful people and the most trouble maker in the history of mankind
You can not get wisdom or spiritual reason from someone who is an unbeliever
Shabir is very sharp!! he talks without muttering and hesitation, very eloquent and amazingly knowledgeable.
The Muslims got embarrassed big time the Quran got embarrassed big time!!
Robert Corona just stop lol
Hamad Yes, Demons are spiritual expert's at hammering away at stopping the real truth. Everything from the bible absolutely proves that everything happened exactly as the Word of God implies. Only a man of Demonic Hatred would toss Grenades at the Crucifixion of Gods only Begotten Son. I will pray for Shabir Ally.
Classic Christian With absolutely no argument.
Pray for your last brain cell to understand.
Close the satanic Violent book &
And question your masters.
Please watch what arabian prophet in his videos thinks of Shabir Ally.
As Muslim I respect Mike Licona. I don’t agree with him but I do respect him
Hani Alturk You seem like a honest Muslim I think Allah made a mistake if Islam is true Allah knows everything before it happens. If Allah was going to rise Jesus to him self anyway why did he not rise him before anyone needed to be made to look like him so there would of been no historical records of Jesus being crucified?? please tell me a good reason for Allah not taking Jesus up to him self before a false belief was made?? How has making some one else look like Jesus helped Islam or Christians to become Muslim?
xxPhilips my answer will come from an Islamic stand point and it’s the Quran. We Muslims believe and claim that the Quran is the literal words of God, and since Allah is all knowing, all powerful then Allah in the Quran says Jesus was raised and saved from crucification, I would have to believe it’s true. You will have to challenge that the Quran is not the words of God to disapprove the Islamic narratives on Jesus.
@@hanialturk5981 Do you think it will be hard for me to prove the Quran is not the literal words of God?
@@hanialturk5981 Do you believe Islam is man made or Allah made it or something else?
xxphilips, Quran challenge you to do it. Falsifications test is in the Quran. if you can do it with empirical evidence then i will convert to atheism tomorrow. It hasn’t been done in 1400 years
Oerall, it was a good debate. Thank you. God bless!
Very good gave me such information and insight
I'm a Muslim.
Great debate between the two. Shabir Ali well done brother. Even though it's (the video) over a decade ago.
This is one of the best debates I have ever watched. Thank you, Mike, for very comprehensive presentation and very hard work on this topic. I do admire Shabir making it very relevant in modern day using Mel Gipson movie showing the development. and asking very difficult questions to clear all sort of doubts on this topic. Mike, can you do 7 hours debate with Shabir Ali as you recently did with Bart Erman.
This was great,i sat through the full Debate.
Who would u say won the debate
Very enlightening❤
Interesting..always love discussions and debates like this.
Mike Licona have steel balls , He Uploaded this debate Hats off . Not many christian debaters can do this...
Mike Licona maybe not a liar, he just re post this debate for educational purposes.
Jivin Quezon
He won. Why wouldn’t he post it?
@@nomorezoutsbats9707 are you sure? watch again and listen. heehehehe
@@nomorezoutsbats9707 dude did you actually watch this??
@@nomorezoutsbats9707 good one hahahaha
Good Morning
Thank You all for putting on this debate. I enjoyed every minute.
Well Done
Spirited Discussion
💓🙏🏾😊
It's not always about who won the debate it's about having civil discussion about faiths loved the video
Love to watch such debates, educated people always have respect for each other. Both of them are respectful. ✊🏻
All respect to Mr Licona, for uploading this in full.
The Apostles saw Jesus after he was resurrected and Thomas challenged Jesus who showed his wounds from the crucifixion. Not one one deciple ever refuted Jesus' resurrection. Jesus is the only one known for healing people and raising someone from the dead as he raised Lazarus who had been dead for days and his body was disintegrating. No one else spoke ideas unique in Jesus's day such as loving your neighbor.
@@carolleos6816❤️💯💯❤️
that was excellent!
🙏🙏🙏
Im glad i found this, get them to do this again now and you will see a huge difference. Christians just really got intentional about properly analyzing their faith and Im loving it.
Great debate... inspiring and widening horizon. Thank you mr Licona, mr Ally.
Islam is the simplest most logical religion. We have no drama no exaggerated emotions in our religion as we see in Christianity. We talk logic.
Do you mean Islam doesn't have this drama. Al-Adab al-Mufrad al-Bukhari 1183-It is related that Abu Hurayra said, "I never saw al-Hasan without my eyes overflowing with tears. That is because the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, went out one day and I found him in the mosque. He took my hand and I went along with him. He did not speak to me until we reached the market of Banu Qaynuqa. He walked around it and looked. Then he left and I left with him until we reached the mosque. He sat down and wrapped himself in his garment. Then he said, 'Where is the little one? Call the little one to me.' Hasan came running and jumped into his lap. Then he put his hand in his beard. Then the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, opened his mouth and put his tongue in his mouth. Then he said, O Allah, I love him, so love him and the one who loves him!'" (Al-Adab al-Mufrad Al-Bukhari, Number 1183)
Musnad Ahmad 16245-[Mua’wiya said]: I saw the prophet sucking on the tongue or the lips of Al-Hassan son of Ali, may the prayers of Allah be upon him. For no tongue or lips that the prophet sucked on will be tormented (by hell fire).
A religion isnt meant to be Logical because you can never understand God completely!!!
michael onwuka hahahahah nice one 👍
If Islam is that simple, why the different sects then? Why even consider some as heretics or even kill others?
If islam is true. Why kill apostate/ who leave islam?
Fantastic discussion, very respectful: Regardless of ethnicity, religion or creed, God bless everybody!
Thank you for posting this debate Mike. I’m here after reading Nabeel’s biography and commend you for honourably defending our faith in Jesus♥️
What defending buddy lmao
@@mobl7911 If you want to I can debate you. I am christian.
@Numair Khan If you truly think that's the case, then you don't understand anything of this topic, the existing evidence, or how arguments are considered as good.
Mike didn't even have an opponent in this debate.
Mike didn't even use the Gospels as evidence, while Shabir never answered properly to the statements and evidence provided by Mike and only tried to attack the Gospels, when they weren't even being referenced.
@@BesserGlauben revisionist history there. Dr. Ally made numerous references to the gospels to show contradictions and in some instances to disprove the notions put forth by Christian’s, such as the crucifixion, original sin theory.
As for Mike, the truth isn’t on his side. He showed up and tried and made a lot of assumptions, which require a leap of faith to believe. Simply too many contradictions and forgeries in Bible to overcome.
Just compare the behaviors of Christ to the behaviors of Mohammad and I think you will see who is holy , true, and believable. I can give details of your prophet( who is dead) and we can know who is evil and corrupt. This man is like Satan who tells Eve …. ‘Did God actually say, you shall not eat of the trees in the Garden? This man is trying to plant seeds of doubt and he seems to be quoting miscellaneous books written not by the inspired words of God. The only thing this guy smoked was some majic mushrooms before he come out on stage .
I do believe that Ally dominated the conversation but I don’t think he necessarily “won” the debate. They both have information to chew on. I hope they meet again soon.
I hardly think Ally dominated the conversation. Nabeel Qureshi May his soul rest in peace watched the debate and he said Mike made a great case of resurrection
Thanks
Notice how he says that Muslims should not put Muhammad above other prophets such as Jesus, but he says peace be upon Muhammad every time he mentions his name but he does not when he mentions Jesus. Also if you notice (outside this debate) that Jesus is more attacked and persecuted more than any other prophets, deities, worships Gods or other religious beliefs. For example, when a person mentions they believe in buddha, Allah, Hindu, or that they believe in Zeus, there’s no issue whatsoever, the mood in the room doesn’t change and there’s no issue. However, once Jesus is mentioned, you can feel a distaste no matter where you mention his name, almost as if people don’t want to hear his name just like they use his name in vein. I believe that shows proof Jesus is the true Lord for the devil does not attack false gods.
Bro we Muslims are not even allowed to compare our prophets to us they all were sinless and that also includes Jesus Christ PBUH 😊
What the hell did I just read
What the hell did I just read
Peace be upon Jesus 😊as Muslim
@@abdullahwasiq1542no because your greatest prophet was not sinless bro. Please inform yourself. Sahih Bukhari 6307. if he was sinless why would he ask God for forgiveness. More the seventy times a day? Doesn’t sound sinless for me
Magnificent discussion between two great and respectful gentlemen! Peace.
wow Christian channel but many Christians comment admits shabir ali won,and respect to mike licona for upload this video
lagendary 11
Which means Abduls are following their Taqiya master on CZcams. Still running away from Christian Prince. Go and get busted 😂😃
@F.A F.A tell me one lie Christian Prince has ever made and your reference
@F.A F.A It is not compulsory for him to show his face. Many have received death threat as a result of criticizing Islam.
2. I have listened to many of his videos without paying a dime. Giving him anything is out of will. If I love what he is doing and I want him to continue doing so, I can encourage him with my substance. Every organisation needs funding. Without fund they will go down.
Besides, of all his videos I have watched he has never asked for fund. He only advertises his books, that's all.
3. You don't need to show face to make a point. If he is comfortable with that, and making a difference, let him be.
As for me, he is good at what he(CP) does and he is also wise.
Many people are dead for criticizing Islam, Quran, sharia law, Saudi Arabia government.
So, what do you have to say?
And if there any false allegations CP has ever made, I want to know.
@F.A F.A that means you don't understand the bible and what Christianity is!
@F.A F.A can you see you just lied. Not only they (ex-muslims or anti -islam) get disowned , some get killed and some being threatened and injured.
They(muslims) have their backing to kill and threaten whoever disobey Allah from the Quran and Hadiths!
In my country, I got a case, where someone was eating during this Ramadan, and was severely injured. What can you say to that?
See, we need to say it as it is.
If truly you are religious, you are supposed to be honest as well.
Any religion without honesty is hypocrisy.
Great job Sam. Finding an impactful point of dispute about Islam and becoming well-informed and polemicizing that point continuously and relentlessly, so that the light of truth can shine bright in the darkness of Islam.
As for the Khan guy, I've spoken about him before, Islamic Bully on a serious Dhimmi trip.
you can tell mike takes this seriously and i respect that
I am in awe of the respect they have for one another and their differing faith. I pray for Mike and Ali that the Lord will bless them abundantly and bless those that watch this video. These two are amazing examples of how we are to love and respect each other's beliefs. God Bless.
i wish the world can be like that seriously.very refreshing
On point!!
All religions presented themselves as Llies when they denied Jesus his sacrifice!
God is holy and therefore inevitably always righteous. So God can never be merciful, gracious, because grace is not justice and therefore is wrong! A holy God can only be holy if he Never does wrong !! So Fact is without Jesus his SACRIFICE out of love for us we would all be lost! Only YHWH is not lying when he says he is HOLY and merciful! Who is YHWH equal? Exactly no one!!
JESUS gave himself as a sin offering !! A pure life for a life !! Because we have to be holy = without guilt otherwise God will judge us fair and just !! Jesus is YHWH and thus the Creator of everything and thus has the weight to wash the whole creation clean with these pure lives (Blood) !! God bless you
@haraldtv4607 Christians are confused in understanding what God is and what God does. What God is is the owner of majesty and perfection and he is the Almighty Creator of the heavens and earth, he created death and life and his perfect attributes never change, GOD IS IMMORTAL HE DOES NOT DIE, what God does however, he does as he wills in his infinite wisdom, Almighty Allah is far above his creation and does as he pleases, Almighty Allah is able to forgive the sin of his servants through his infinite mercy without any pagan like sacrifices let alone attributing partners or a son to the Almighty who is unlike his creation or anything that the mind can imagine that is the ultimate injustice/blasphemy to God and is a very grave sin (if one does not repent from it before death). Christianity is a word that came well after Jesus pbuh left as he did not call himself that and it was then heavily influenced by the pagan traditions of that time much after Jesus pbuh was gone. Then the corruption and confusion in the bible began, that's why you find many different books and gospels by so called men such as Paul who claim to have had "visions" and or "inspiration" from God, altered the true message that Jesus pbuh originally preached to the lost tribe of Israel and not to humanity which was to worship one God as he said he did not come to abolish the law. Also the arrival of the prophet mohamed pbuh was mentioned in the bible as the paraclete which means the comforter the counselor. Hope this helped. May Allah guide, forgive and keep us on his straight path. Ameen. I invite everyone to read the blessed Qur'an.
@@izzyaisa3179 Islam is a mixture of pagan religions with some erroneous Jewish and Christian teachings added. The Qur'an does not say the Bible is corrupt. Muhammad said that the Qur'an gets its authority from the Bible. Muslims today by the millions have dreams and visions of Jesus, and become Christian. The word Christian is found on the book of Acts. Paul did many miracles, Muhammad did not.
Mike was more emotional in his speech, to justify Jesus is the "son of God". Shabir provide solid facts and logic compared to Mike. But I respect Mike to have the balls to debate Shabir.
Shabir ally is a kid.
@Shad Sulaman Just watch The arabian Prophet debatting sheikh abdul wadood. I promise you you leave islam after this debatte.
Shabir ally cannot even speak arabic. I mean come on
@@HansWurst-se9hm In what language was the old/new testament written?
@@HansWurst-se9hm how dumb are you bro?
Great moredator❤❤🙏
Best debate on the topic till date.
Both speakers are sinceer towards the topic, May Allah show us the true light.
1:35:50 I love how he corrected when the crowed laugh. Those are some good manners and values and respect. I mean the respect there was over 9000 and the face of apreciation and relief from the other guy was also priceless.
wonderful and respectful discussion, Kudos!
Wow it’s amazing this was 10 years ago 😅 he has so much knowledge Shamir Ali!
the best debate I've seen. one sided. Thank you so much sir Mike.. this is very inspiring
what I like the most is your closing statement "...Praise be His name"
am chrestian,,but after this debates have to check my believes and use logic in it,,,this guy ally is so sharp and logic
Moulay Mandidi u need to check your spelling lol
Watch Ahmad Deedath
Yes, he is sharp. I believe that is why 1 Peter 3:15-16 reminds us,
"but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence; and keep a good conscience so that in the thing in which you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ will be put to shame." May this experience help us to grow in our faith in Christ Jesus.
Is Sabir Aly same as Ahma Dedat, or Zakir Naik? Watch Christian Prince
@@afiumer7752
Watch Christian Prince, and not only watch, but also call him to debate, and you will lose your faith.
As a moslem, i salute you sir, mr licona for uploading this video unedited, love this kind of debate
Muslim pak, bukan moslem. maaf ya
@@spadecaller6300 bahasa inggrisnya muslim itu moslem pak :)
Lazarus was dead for FOUR days.
Lazarus was dead for FOUR days.
WOOOOW Mike It’s Very Respectable For You To Put Up This Video, In Such Subtle Embarrassing Manner in Your “Home Court” lol Overall GREAT debate 👍👍
Good debate. I'm pleased to see Indiana Jones branching out to meditating debates.
This is a fantastic example of a great respectful debate. Hats off to both gentlemen. Thanks for sharing this.
God manifested into flesh and He was in the world but even His own did not knew Him...Isaiah 43;10-11 there is only one God and one saviour who is He?thats what we are going to look for in our lives if we are not scared of hell..God is very precise What He said will be done brothers and sisters...ISLAM is very far from the truth and there is no thruth in islam at all..
@@ronwaldoreyes2162 Quran words of Allah say be truthful don't cheat and honor your family and other people don't insult other religions do not use drugs or alcohol don't follow the footsteps of satan. If you are saying Islam is not saying anything the truth is just showing your hatred against Muslims, clearly you don't even believe Jesus also because Jesus said love your enemies and you hate allies because Muslims are only fate who believe Jesus messias only different is Muslims believe Jesus messias as prophet of Allah "God" also Jesus said only true God is he's father, I invite you to Islam and TRUE religion what Jesus believe.
@@ronwaldoreyes2162😂
@@ronwaldoreyes2162cope buddy. Try harder next time
@@bakhtiyarguseinov9402 wjhy not u try me not ur buddy...
God bless the moderator for saying "move past your prejudices". And props to Mike for uploading this.
Nice ❤
Really great debate and very respectful. I then started watching bart ehrmans series and it's amazing how Many scholars agree the Bible is not the word of God and it is a book filled with many issues
Imagine writing that out and not realizing Bart Herman and ALL secular scholars think the Koran is a joke of a book.
debate was amazing, and left it open to self analysis. as a former catholic, then atheist and recently converted to Jesus, i love facts and this was beautifully executed.
i am reading my Bible and love how much truth is in it. John 14:6
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Amen! God bless you more brother.
Francisco God jesus bless you that you are back be strong in Christianity you will be in heven
do you love how the bible explains that a contradiction (100% man 100% god) created the universe?
@@bstlybengali I love how you have absolutely no understanding of the hypostatic union. Jesus is fully human in the sense that he has all attributes of a human, like hunger. He is fully divine in the sense that he also has all divine characteristics which he voluntarily FORFEITED in His selflessness. Furthermore, why are we using logic to describe a Being that is beyond time, space and matter, and even logic itself?
Both these guys are very awesome, and so kind. Mike is the kind of guy I would enjoy watching a basketball game with, and Shabbir is the kind of guy you could sit and talk to for hours over a few cups of tea. Y'all are awesome!
yo exactly
And Mike won the debate
All religions presented themselves as Llies when they denied Jesus his sacrifice!
God is holy and therefore inevitably always righteous. So God can never be merciful, gracious, because grace is not justice and therefore is wrong! A holy God can only be holy if he Never does wrong !! So Fact is without Jesus his SACRIFICE out of love for us we would all be lost! Only YHWH is not lying when he says he is HOLY and merciful! Who is YHWH equal? Exactly no one!!
JESUS gave himself as a sin offering !! A pure life for a life !! Because we have to be holy = without guilt otherwise God will judge us fair and just !! Jesus is YHWH and thus the Creator of everything and thus has the weight to wash the whole creation clean with these pure lives (Blood) !! God bless you
@@Hannestv4607 Amen!
@@islam_is_false_ Did Mike really win if he didn't even have an opponent with arguments?
Mike doesn't seem to want to address the bible, but he's Christian. He keeps referring to going back to the other side of the hill, not the bible. Why is that? Because he knows the contradictions in the Bible.
Are you a Muslim and bias as well?
The only reason you think there are contradictions in the bible is because you have been brainwashed to believe so
Whether you are Muslims, atheist or whatever religion
Your supposed "contradictions" in the bible is an ignorant statement
Shabir poses only a hypothesis to disprove the biblical narrative
He has no solid evidence
The quran has no solid evidence
The only reason you Muslims take the quran is because the quran says so
Historical documents much older than the quran prove the statements in the quran to be false
Islam is a false religion
From a pedophile
Lol what contradictions in the Bible? Talk is cheap, prove it.
Was great debate, we all need to be respectful towards each other as we both want best for each other deep inside by wanting to make you muslim or Christian. Peace
Very respectful to discuss God blessed you both very nice heard
This is an excellent and very interesting debate. Thank you!
praise be His name Sir & His wisdom He put into you 💪🙏☝️☝️
Good debate good different thinking. May God bless Muslim and Christian peace and love in unity.
damn shabir got me thinking ..........
peter pan hey Peter Pan, if you read the Old Testament you can see that the Israelites would sacrifice animals (lambs, doves) etc. They did this as a command from God the father, pretty much killing an innocent animal ( which represented Jesus Christ who died in the future) the Old Testament all points to a man who would come to sacrifice his life for the sins of the world. If you look at the sanctuary in the Old Testament, you will see it was all symbolizing the real sacrifice that Jesus suffered.
Islam was prophecied in the bible in the book of revelation as well, if you read the bible to find error and to purposely look for contradictions, it will be difficult to see truth because you are coming with a proud heart.
If you take Jesus and his sacrifice for the sins of the world, if you remove him from the equation, as shabir said that we do not need an innocent man to die or we don’t need anyone, then what was the point of the sanctuary in the Old Testament? Which points to a coming messiah.
The enemy, SATAN, does not want to acknowledge Christ’s sacrifice, if the enemy can make you believe that Jesus did not die, even though Jesus himself said that no one can go to the father but by him, then you reject Jesus, that’s exactly what Satan wants. Read read read. God bless you peter.
There's nothing wrong with having doubt. I would recommend watching Dr Ally's other lectures
Go watch Shabir ally vs Jay Smith and you really start to reason and think.
HUH Clipz as human beings, yes, you will have doubts, because we cannot see things physically there or because we don’t know everything.
But when it comes to this topic, I don’t know, it feels like shabir no doubt a skilled and disciplined debater. BUT,
If you base your truth and your foundation on what men say, you are not building a sure foundation. Jesus said the wise man builds his house upon the rock. The foolish man builds his house upon the sand. When the rain comes tumbling down, which could be trials, doubts tribulations etc, the man who built it on sand will tumble and fall.
Islam says that they believe in the Old Testament, but it doesn’t even seem all that true... poking holes here and there with no valid evidence except PURE speculation, speculation which has been mastered over the years ... idk it just seems like if I would doubt anything it would be that.
Read the bible, most of it is simple, Gods will is that all man be saved and that none should perish... people over complicate things.
@@eternity6124 I am a Muslim. I am not here to debate but I do commend you for trying to spread your religion. Their are many misconceptions about Islam, which is why people often have second doubts once they hear it's truths. It's not the fastest growing religion in the world for nothing. Islam is a way of life for me and billions around the world. You seem like a reasonable man, may Allah (God) grant you an open mind and open heart and have a blessed day.
Legend has it Mike Licona is still on that hill today. Jk great, respectable debate. Thank you for the upload sir.
I applaud the willingness to debate this issue
Its very easy for any sincere person to find the truth. Thats why im a revert to Islam now. Alhamdulillah.
- From Denmark
What made you go back ?
yes, what made you? go back.
@@gardeneroftheeveningstarthe truth of cause
@@phewphew1288 The Truth ??? Islam the truth look at the conduct of your exemplar !
this is a general statement. i can only assume. any elaborations? or i'll stick to this "the truth of cause" ?@@phewphew1288
Thank you Mike for uploading with honesty and integrity. Peace.
Jesus died on cross for our sins on 3rd day raised from dead
Very nice debate but I am still to this very time still in shock that Christians believe their enemy is Islam but in fact the ones that were torturing and murdering Jesus wasn't Muslim or from the Islamic faith background. Their enemy should be the one's that are trying to reject Jesus and his teachings.
Paul, the author of most of what is referred to as the New Testament, swept everything that Jesus (pbuh) taught under the carpet.
Jesus himself denies what Paul taught.
Paul who NEVE met Jesus in his entire life also stated in a sworn affidavit that he is a liar..
So who do you believe? Paul or Jesus?
One of the two is a liar .
It is my view that Jesus (pbuh) would not lie to save his own skin.
Jesus was one of many prophets sent to Mankind to put him back on track, as people kept going back to their old established ways after each prophet died.
The SUN of God is the savior... If the SUN of God does not rise and bring light to the world, the world would be a frozen desolate place without life without polysynthesis, and life would not exist.
It was the Church inder control of ROME that made the SUN of God into the SON of God. It was a grand deception by the Elite to control the population.
The real Gnostic Unitarian Christians were slaughtered by the thousand by the Church even as late as the 15th century.
The Church murdered philosophers and men of science to silence them.
Jesus never heard of nor mentioned any trinity,
Though trinities existed in some 16 earlier religions that Vhristianity borrowed from as it was useful to unite people by incorporating earlier pagan beliefs that people were happy with.
The unification required such a compromise. But it was a deception that continues to this day.
How could Jesus have sacrificed himself for man as he himself denies this.
Even Jesus himself says:
“I will have mercy, and not sacrifice”
Matthew 9:13
... So is Jesus lying?
Andrew_koala well said
@@andrew_koala2974 So much of what you said is untrue. First off, Paul _did_ meet Jesus on the Road to Damascus (read Acts 9). Second, Paul said the exact same thing Jesus said: Jesus is God. If you don't believe me, read Mark 14. The pharisees ask Jesus if he is the Son of God to which Jesus says "I am," then says that he is, "The son of man coming with the clouds of heaven" (a reference to Daniel 7, a prophesy of God coming to Earth incarnate) and claims he will be "seated at the place of power at God's right hand" (a reference to Psalms 110 where it's revealed that only God is worthy of sitting st God's right hand). Jesus then went on to be accused for blasphemy (again, something he didn't deny) and was sentenced to death since Jews at the time thought blasphemy was unforgivable.
Jesus absolutely claimed to be God just as Paul preached. If you don't think Jesus was a liar, you have to proclaim that Jesus is indeed the Son of God and the Son of Man (God incarnate)
Roman empire?
A true christian has no enemy except Satan.
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For the last time it's called FAITH believe in something you couldn't prove is scientificly real that faith and gods mercy is key to our salvation
Ok
So the people who are worshipping idols are also right right? Because they've faith in them and they believe them
Having faith in something, doesn't mean it's automatically right, you might have faith in something and be very sincere about it, but it might be wrong, Those who worship idols say the same, Adulf Hitler believed he was upon the right, so if you take your assessment, they're all right. To think that a man can be a god, is illogical, because men do not think they're god, people can called them gods, but they're not, like Jesus, like Cyrus, like Many other men in history whom were considered gods after they left the earth. So we should believe it? God said in the book of ISIAH
That God is not a man
Whatever what you do, the person that wanna stay blind will stay blind unless if she decides to see. Th e truth is cristal clear.
Allah says ....(i paraphrase) seeing they will not see, hearing they will not hear...
@@taslemk8435 That's if they choose to ignore. Please state the full ayat(verse) not a snippet, don't take it out of context.
@@mosasa1307 you must harmonize the Bible and Qur'an by yourself. The Qur'an tells you that you must believe in the Bible: Injeel, Zabor, Books of the Prophets, and the Torah. If you do not have Iman, your righteous works will be meaningless
@@mcw0261 No sweetheart the Quran said we should respect it not "Believe in it" only if it matches the Quran then we believe it if it goes Against it then we strictly reject it
@@resomex prove it? I says that if you do not believe in it then a humiliating punishment is there. But all you have to do is accept Jesus as the Messiah the Word of God. And the Qur'an says that. Just have to accept it.
It behooves me to echo the sentiment of my Christian and Muslim brothers and sisters as I congratulate both interlocutors for such an informative and congenial debate.
Amazing!🤩
All of the different books and bibles were gathered much after Jesus pbuh was gone and the first manuscript known to have been found in Christianity was centuries later and it was the size of a credit card, the bible is filled with contradictions and God is not the author of confusion. The Quran was revealed by God (Allah) through the Angel Gabriel (may also be known as the holy spirit) directly to the prophet Mohamed pbuh and established in his time and was memorized by heart before even being put into text. Please don't blind follow and do some research, read the blessed Qur'an with an open mind. Islam calls you to worship the one true Lord of the world's who has no equals and can not be imagined in this world. It even says in the Bible that God almighty can not be contained let alone in this world, also mentioned that no one can see God in this world and live. In Islam seeing God is considered the ultimate reward even higher than attaining paradise itself that's how holy the Almighty is considered and revearead in Islam. Christians are confused in understanding what God is and what God does. What God is is the owner of majesty and perfection and he is the Almighty Creator of the heavens and earth, he created death and life and his perfect attributes never change, GOD IS IMMORTAL HE DOES NOT DIE, what God does however, he does as he wills in his infinite wisdom, Almighty Allah is far above his creation and does as he pleases, Almighty Allah is able to forgive the sin of his servants through his infinite mercy without any pagan like sacrifices let alone attributing partners or a son to the Almighty who is unlike his creation or anything that the mind can imagine that is the ultimate injustice/blasphemy to God and is a very grave sin (if one does not repent from it before death). Christianity is a word that came well after Jesus pbuh left as he did not call himself that and it was then heavily influenced by the pagan traditions of that time much after Jesus pbuh was gone. Then the corruption and confusion in the bible began, that's why you find many different books and gospels by so called men such as Paul who claim to have had "visions" and or "inspiration" from God, altered the true message that Jesus pbuh originally preached to the lost tribe of Israel and not to humanity which was to worship one God as he said he did not come to abolish the law. Also the arrival of the prophet mohamed pbuh was mentioned in the bible as the paraclete which means the comforter the counselor. I also wanna add that as Muslims we believe in and respect Jesus pbuh as a mighty prophet of God and was saved from his to be murderers and will return one day to affirm Islam and deny the falsehood and lies that were unjustly attributed to him after his departure, we as Muslims worship Allah the way he wants us to worship him, Jesus pbuh use to fall on his face bowing down to worship God the way Muslims worship and (no offence) not sing or dance around etc.. Hope this helped. May Allah guide, forgive and keep us on his straight path. Ameen. I invite everyone to read the blessed Qur'an.
God will show you the way to truth. 😇♥️ God bless you all 😇
The man in the suit nailed the intro.
I LOVE THESE KIND OF DEBATES IT WAS HEALTHY CONVERSATIONS TO KNOWS ABOUT TRUTES .....
*Timestamps for those who need it:*
00:00:00 : Introduction
00:04:53 : Opening Statements - Mike Licona
00:24:04 : Opening Statements - Shabir Ally
00:44:41 : Mike & Shabir Discussion
01:45:55 : Question & Answer Session
Thanks for this It helped a lot
Fancy seeing you here imam murrah
Mikes opening statement of 4 minutes is obvious. There is nothing to talk about.
I personally do not get the obsession with the resurrection. Without it Jesus Christ is still awesome, of God. It is not indispensable to having a faith.
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Shabir ally gives logical evidences and he is very humble person. I have huge respect on him 😇
My heart breaks for those that genuinely desire a relationship with God, and are struggling. But If you don't believe in Qur'an and your don't believe in the Injeel, then you have made your choice. The Qur'an tells you that the Injeel is the word of God. The Qur'an tells you that the Bible is the word of God. Only Muslims have to figure out how to harmonize there beliefs and it's not that difficult. It's only difficult for those Muslims that put fear of man and pride of Religion above relationship with God. Muslims should not be making distinctions between messages, they must take them all and accepting them ALL in faith.
@solomon duncan blessed are those poor in spirit brother. Not all Muslims have made an Idol of men and their Religion. Some genuinely desire God, but have been lied to all their life. Literally since birth and threatened with death if they fail to believe. But we can't give up on preaching the Gospel.
@solomon duncan I don't disagree with the mixing of light and dark. And I do expect to be heart broken often with this community. But Saul spent an important part of his career attacking the church, but his zeal for God allowed him to be used as a tool. Some Muslims really desire a relationship with God. Many of them unfortunately have greater pride and idolize Religion and community over God. But I do desire for Muslim to actually follow the part of the Qur'an that says to believe in the Bible, or the part of the Qur'an that's says do not believe in some prophets and reject the others. I believe God created an escape hatch even in the plans of the deceiver. And the enemy has spent it's energy attacking the escape door and Muslims are either afraid and confused (in expectation of judgement) or complacent and prideful (following the anti-Christ). The Bible told us this would happen. But we must attack the Spiritual ramparts of the enemy and create escape routes into the truth in all Religions to Christ so that at least some may be saved from certain damnation.
@solomon duncan I am after men and women, not Religion. I could compare my desire to Abrahams wishes to save the city of Lot's family. I only wish to be a tool for giving the word of God to Muslims that God has elected. I could compare my desires to that of Paul, he became like a Jew to win Jews even though Jewish meant nothing, he became like the poor in spirit to win the poor in spirit even though he be rich in faith. Please do not hear my words as a stumbling block. Stand firm in your faith. Christ is Lord God in the flesh. Even the Qur'an tells Christians to stand on their Bible. But only justice exists in the Qur'an alone, I cannot find salvation in it. So I hope there are more lost sheep destined for salvation in different pens (gates) like Islam that need to hear the word of God, that need to receive the Gospel. I have listened to the testimonies of some Muslims who were saved. The harvest is still ripe until our Lord God returns. We must fight.
@solomon duncan I agree with you that we cannot look back, thought I am not looking back for my own help, but for their help. Also in the book of Acts Paul entered the Athenian Council and quoted from their stoic Philosophers in hope to shine a light towards the truth. There are verses in the Quran that can be used for the same purpose. And all must hear the Gospel, including Muslims.
Verses such as these;
يٰٓأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓا ءَامِنُوا بِاللَّهِ وَرَسُولِهِۦ وَالْكِتٰبِ الَّذِى نَزَّلَ عَلٰى رَسُولِهِۦ وَالْكِتٰبِ الَّذِىٓ أَنْزَلَ مِنْ قَبْلُ ۚ وَمَنْ يَكْفُرْ بِاللَّهِ وَمَلٰٓئِكَتِهِۦ وَكُتُبِهِۦ وَرُسُلِهِۦ وَالْيَوْمِ الْأَاخِرِ فَقَدْ ضَلَّ ضَلٰلًۢا بَعِيدًا
"O you who believe, believe in Allah and His Messenger and the Book that He sent down upon His Messenger *and the Scripture which He sent down before* . And whoever disbelieves in Allah, His angels, *His books, His messengers* , and the Last Day has certainly gone far astray."
(QS. An-Nisaa 4: Verse 136)
إِنَّ الَّذِينَ يَكْفُرُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَرُسُلِهِۦ وَيُرِيدُونَ أَنْ يُفَرِّقُوا بَيْنَ اللَّهِ وَرُسُلِهِۦ وَيَقُولُونَ نُؤْمِنُ بِبَعْضٍ وَنَكْفُرُ بِبَعْضٍ وَيُرِيدُونَ أَنْ يَتَّخِذُوا بَيْنَ ذٰلِكَ سَبِيلًا
"Indeed, those who disbelieve in Allah and His messengers and wish to discriminate between Allah and His messengers and say, We believe in some and disbelieve in others, and wish to adopt a way in between -"
Allah SWT said:
أُولٰٓئِكَ هُمُ الْكٰفِرُونَ حَقًّا ۚ وَأَعْتَدْنَا لِلْكٰفِرِينَ عَذَابًا مُّهِينًا
"Those are the disbelievers, truly. And We have prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating punishment."
Muslims need to believe in all the scripture that came before it. But by their own words they will testify against themselves on the day of judgement if they do not believe in the Bible. The Bible is the scripture that came before then (according to the Quran). But again I agree with you, but you have to differentiate between my beliefs and my evangelism.
As a muslim i do not agree with licona but he was a respectfull and good person..this was a nice debate and Thank you Shabir Ali for preaching Islam Allah will reward you in herafter life Sabir Ali..
You or He doesn't even know he will be rewarded in heaven. Its only inshallah and mashallah. If he feels like it, he will toss u straight to hell. Allah doesn't love yall. u don't know how to get to heaven and ur god didn't show u how to even get to heaven. ur gambling with ur eternity. Follow Christ who was manifestation of God on earth and loved u to where he died for u and ur sins, so that you can go to heaven and led by example to show you how.
As a Christian l don’t agree with Shabir Ali ! And exactly what do you mean by God rewarding him for preaching Islam ? What’s this reward?
What’s this reward ?????
The reward means he will be given paradise and will be saved from hell fier in hereafter life.
@@info.901 Hellfire is a pagan dogma NOT from God !
As for paradise , paradise is NOT in heaven as the Quran teaches !
The Quran contradicts the Bible right from the beginning , to it’s end .
They are two different books with two different messages.
The afterlife taught in the bible is 💯 percent different to the afterlife the Quran teaches so how can it be the same God ?.
I can tell you it says that he couldn't be recognized, they beat him to where he couldn't be recognized. Imagine being beaten so bad that his own wife couldn't recognize him.
We need more debates like this. Now we don't have any that much. We have argurments and insulting each other
Summary starts at 2:21:00 Incase you dont have 2 hours.
As a christian i really appreciate the discourse. And serious props to Shabir! I wish they could have gotten through the moscommunication on the pre gospel, gospel thing and just moved on. They weren't getting each other and spent a lot of time on that one thing.
Very in treating debate and really surprised how both of them statued calm while talking about faith
One is the best debates .. both men are an example how we should conduct ourselves
I like such fair and educative debates. Big up Mike and Shabir.
Little trivia. The noun cross comes from the Latin word crucere meaning torture which gives us the English word excruciating. It is not the other way round as Mike claimed i.e. excruciating coming from the word cross. Thanks.
Wow! Wow! Wooow! Shabir is well educated about the Bible. He won and in that he is telling more truth than Mike!
He's a well-educated liar, that is all
Shabir crusafide mike
liar .... can you give proof at what minutes Sabir lie? .... I think sabir give a solid proof based on the bible itself .... I guess sabir does not lie but you actually do not know the facts
@@kingjames5527 Shabir was using your own bible as reference, and you call him a liar that makes ur bible automatically a false book. You just can't accept that your religion just lost the debate and you are acting like a dumbass can't stand to lose.
@@sazman68ify he is mistaken most of the time actually. If you have read the holy kitab you would know. But you must pray to God for understanding
Shabir has all my respect, and may Allah be pleased with him. Quran teaches us to study and learn and be objective.
There isnothing to debate about. JESUS died for all of us.
Miss Ahmed Deedat may allah bless him heaven
Ali makarove wym miss Ahmed deedat? Who’s that now ? Mashallah
@@matthewveerasammy5616 who is that now. well he is a legend who once live and break all the question to answers which christians could not figure out . Alot can be learn till today from his videos.
Ali makarove Tell ur shabir call Christian price channel 🤣🤣🤣
@@jeninvp Mr shabir said your channel hang up on him
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Qur'an Chapter 19
Maryam "Mary"
19. (The angel) said: "I am only a Messenger from your Lord, (to announce) to you the gift of a righteous son."
20. She said: "How can I have a son, when no man has touched me, nor am I unchaste?"
21. He said: "So (it will be), your Lord said: 'That is easy for Me (Allah): And (We wish) to appoint him as a sign to mankind and a mercy from Us (Allah), and it is a matter (already) decreed, (by Allah).
22. So she conceived him, and she withdrew with him to a far place (i.e. Bethlehem valley about 4-6 miles from Jerusalem).
23. And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a date-palm. She said: "Would that I had died before this, and had been forgotten and out of sight!"
24. Then [the babe 'Iesa (Jesus) or Jibrael (Gabriel)] cried unto her from below her, saying: "Grieve not! Your Lord has provided a water stream under you;
25. "And shake the trunk of date-palm towards you, it will let fall fresh ripe-dates upon you."
26. "So eat and drink and be glad, and if you see any human being, say: 'Verily! I have vowed a fast unto the Most Beneficent (Allah) so I shall not speak to any human being this day.
27. Then she brought him (the baby) to her people, carrying him. They said: "O Mary! Indeed you have brought a thing Fariya (an unheard mighty thing).
28. "O sister (i.e. the like) of Harun (Aaron) [not the brother of Musa (Moses), but he was another pious man at the time of Maryam (Mary)]! Your father was not a man who used to commit adultery, nor your mother was an unchaste woman."
29. Then she pointed to him. They said: "How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?"
30. "He ['Iesa (Jesus)] said: Verily! I am a slave of Allah, He has given me the Scripture and made me a Prophet;"
Only he didnt say alla lol that is the moon god silly billy.
@@hara3435 ,brother, this is the answer of your comment
Read qran chapter 41 verses 37
And of His (Allah) signs are the night and day and the sun and the moon, Do not prostrate to the sun or to the moon, but prostrate to Allah, who created them ,if it should be Him that you warship
May Allah guide you all Ameen
@Zechariah12.10 yup .. Islam has not made up anything original, all is borrowed, copied, plagiarised..
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Narrated by Ibn Abbas. Mhd took the sentence what was uttered by his scribe Abdullah bin al-Sarh, thus caused him(Abdullah) to leave islam because he realised it that Mhd was false prophet.
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The story of 7 sleepers of Ephesus was written by a Siriac Christian priest few decades before Islam.
Mhd copy it into quran, but mhd FORGOT the details, whether it was 3 or 4, OR, 5 or 6, OR or 7 with their dog.
Sura 18:22
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Prayer beads. Praying 3 cycles holding 33 beads was originally created by an Egypt Monastic monk born 298 AD.
3 signify Trinity, 33 likely signify age of Jesus when he died. A complex knot making was introduced by St. Anthony the Great. A Prayer dedicated to Jesus, Son Of God, was borrowed by islam to became prayer to allah, not realising the significance of the knots, each being 7 interlocking crosses.
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Story of Miraj was copied from zoroastrian legends.
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Prayer (salat) five times daily and using Sun's movement to specify timings were copied from Zoroastrianism.
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Solomon talking to ants: Jew's children bed time stories. Also pre-existed befote islam
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Jesus says :
I am the Truth
I am the Resurection
I am the Beginning & the End
Mhd copied what Jesus said & claimed them to be the names of Allah, in order to prove Allah is God,.. Muslims ask "where Jesus said I am God worship Me"- yet here quran tells muslims, Jesus is allah
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the Infancy Gospel of Thomas is considered unauthentic and heretical.
However, its story of Jesus giving life to clay birds made its way to quran.
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The verse abt Moon splitting, copied sentences from a poet, Imru’ al-Qays
While in Persia, missionary William St. Clair Tisdall, came in possession of copy of poems created by Imrull Qays
Q 54: 1,29,31,46
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Ramadhan Fasting came from the Sabians (Harranians- moon worshippers and Mandaeans- polytheists ) who practiced Ramadhan Fasting before Mohd was born and since 600 b.c.
According to 10th-century historian Ibn al-Nadim, the Harranians called the feast ”al-Feter” الفطر, the same name by which the feast of Islamic Ramadan is called, عيد الفطر ”Feast of al-Feter”.
The Harranians consider their mood god is greater than the counter-part polytheist gods. Greater = Akbar.
Our god is greater vs allahuakbar co-incidence (?)
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Surah 18:83-102 Journey of Dhu l'Qarnayin was copied from a Syriac Legend abt Alexander the Great.
As usual, Copy without understanding the depeer meaning. If they need explanation, they need to read the original text written before the quran. Eg. Ppl with no covering of protection against the sun - who are they?
Ppl who scarcely understood a word - who?
What Iron structure ?
@Zechariah12.10 the list is growing
@Zechariah12.10. Yes I do. I was shocked with the layers of lie that islam was built on..
First, quran was never perfectly preserved, as cfm by sheik Y.Q.
Second myth that Mecca is in Saudi was busted when Mel proves it didn't exist in old maps & Dan's report that there is no archeology finding there & early mosque qiblat directed to Petra instead.
Now the myth of Islam origin is under scrutiny. The thesis makes a lot of sense because the earlier Gnostic Christians sect call Jesus Muhammad, even before islam's muhammad was born.
How about all of humanity unite, relearn empathy, compassion and love. The division ends with us. Fighting and killing one another is what the enemy created. Stop following.
God bless everyone.
That's why Jesus when resurrected did not penetrate the cave even if he had the ability to do it like he penetrated the wall when he appeared to the disciples, but instead opened the door of the cave and came out so that someone could witness his resurrection and proof that he did live
I tried my hard to understand about Jesus death & resurrection from Mike’s explanation however confusion is I got. In conclusion, I rather to believe Jesus is brought/rose up by God and will come down to explain about what happened to him. May God guide us. Aamiin
That's cause the evil one is blocking you from believing it. Just continue to pray
many could say the same about God’s existence, doesnt mean they are right. goodluck on your journey
Impossible to understand with eyeglasses of Islam
@@sandrinayousif842 no, god existence makes sense, but people killing god for them to be forgiven is nonsense and only dumb people believe in that
Try this. From the beginning of the Old Testament, sacrifice has always been the payment for sin. The only perfect sacrifice for the sins of the world was God coming down and taking the sin on his shoulders and dying for all of our iniquity.
Shabir is very smart, he knows his religion and Christianity.
No Shabir doesn't know Christianity as much as he appears so to those who know it even less. The writers of the quran didn't even know Christianity. They said that Christians consider the triune God as The Creator, Mary and Jesus and that was never the case. The Bible never taught that.
And Shabir doesn't know why Jesus came. Jesus came to offer the New Covenant, be crucified, judge the dead and on the 3rd day- RISE to prove he had power over life and death. He raised others from death. His own crucifixion was no surprise to him. It is WHY he came. Shabir doesn't know that the crucifixion of the three was hastened because of the Sabbath being the next day and no executions could be done on the Sabbath. But Shabir doesn't know that. The crucifixion was just a blip im time for Jesus who was with The Father when the earth was formed and is still alive today. I would walk through fire to save my children or give mysekf to die in exchange for my children. But Shabir cannot understand why Jesus would do this to save the souls of all of mankind. Shabir also skips over the Holy Spirit coming on the disciples at Pentecost and they were able to speak in new languages, heal the infirmed and exorcise demons in the name of Jesus the Christ. Shabir blew it when he said Jesus never appeared to Mary his Mother.
I am still to this very time still in shock that Christians believe their enemy is Islam but in fact the ones that were torturing and murdering Jesus wasn't Muslim or from the Islamic faith background. Their enemy should be the one's that are trying to reject Jesus and his teachings.
@aprince ofpeace your comment and your name clash I think you should change your name aprince of hate...
@@Musta8787 Ya habibi muslims are going against Jesus and his teachings which are the Torah and new testament which is what the bible consists of. Nothing was changed and whatever was left out we still have preserved in facilities and they all further validate yeshua's death and Resurrection and authority OVER ALL MAN. Islam is Anti-christ and seems to mainly focus on the trinity of God as polytheism because they wont believe and understand it and some cannot learn it for it is forbidden. Many of these Fabrications of muslim scholars embedded into muslims heads so that they can stay away from the word, away from the family and kingdom of God.
@Edge Abdullah the only christians that believe that Mary is god is the Jehovah witnesses and thats not even 1% of the Christian population... The Quran let me down and has let a lot down because its hard to stay away from the truth. I would choose God over my family because he is the almighty. Not your father not your mother or uncles... its God. So when you finally understand the word of Yahweh your lord and what he consists of and why he wanted to come down to save you from damnation, it will be crystal clear. So yes indeed the Quran brought up the trinity i had a discussion in Palestine with an open Quran and it didn't mention the holy spirit in the trinity it talked about Mary which true christians disbelief is the deity of God. Its proven and you cant keep deceiving your way out of this as your Quran taught you to do. It says if you say three is God then you are caffer. Muslims believe Gabriel the angel blew Gods spirit/soul into Mariam which is blasphemy to the extreme. Only God can do such a thing why would he need an angel to do such a task? And they say he blew it through her vagina.. which is not how it happened it when through her body simple as that God can do things without question. Plus there was no scripts telling us where it went through Mary because it happened and thats all that matters and Jesus came out from beneath her rib not a natural birth like you and i. So basically Gabriel has equal or higher power than Allah which is shrikk in islam.
God bless Mr. Licona. Good job.
Like a discussion between those who believe in unicorns snd those who believe in pixies.
I've served 12 years in the US military and my country proudly. I've guarded Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. I'm now 100% Muslim. I've no doubt about the existence of God, Allah. Please open your hearts go read Quran.com it's in layman terms and you'll need not interpretations. It's in black and white unlike anything you've ever seen I promise.
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Really mate?, I too have read Quran not once or twice I have read more then 20 times, I couldn’t find anything logic I am sorry, but I would rather read Geeta , bible, torat, or Granth then reading a book which teaches hatred..
Sorry mate if I hurt you but that’s the truth..
@@nothinggonnacghange you never read even a single chapter. Stop lying
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What do you want to know!!!!?
@@nothinggonnacghange about what?
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As you mentioned that I am lying about reading Quran , I want you to ask me anything related to Quran& I will be happy to answer, I don’t want this to be a war of text , nor do I have to hurt anyone’s religious sentiments, I just said I cannot digest what’s written in Quran and hadith