StarClan's MANIPULATION of Leafpool and Squirrelflight (Warrior Cats)
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- čas přidán 15. 06. 2024
- Credit to my cat artist, Dako for this video idea!
StarClan's writing was very confusing from the New Prophecy to Omen of the Stars, perhaps to the point we might be able to consider them to be evil?
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It still annoys me to this day that starclan was so hesitant to let squirrelflight in after the rockslide, due to her “lying” under their own orders?? yet they let a cat like ashfur in without a second thought despite him trying to murder their precious prophecy children AGAINST their will 💀
Yes wth Starclan is stupid sometimes
@@aliciamorris07some is an understatement
If you remember correctly Squrrielflight’s Hope and The New Prophecy are written by two different teams. Just shows us even more how the new team didn’t do its research. 😂😅
StarClan is more Evil than the Dark Forest Cats.
While rereading the series, any scenes with squilf and leaf with Starclan feels so insidious, knowing what happens to them after. I just want them to rest
the fact that Leafpool was just so okay being dead was kinda unnerving. It's different from say Star Wars death, where one is united with the force, but here, Death seems....just the same as living. So what's the point other than you can't get hurt or sick except surprise you can get hurt and killed. Like. Come on. The more we learn about StarClan the more horrible it is.
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Very true. I wish they would've kept Starclan as the once mysterious and secretive afterlife it once was in arc 1 instead of what it is today.
I have a theory on that actually, you know how cinder pelt leaf pool’s mentor knows how she dies long before the battle with the badgers even starts, cinder pelt was just ok with that information and she accepted it when it happened. When it was leaf pool’s time maybe she accepted too like cinder pelt did because she knows she’ll see her loved ones again. Ik it’s still kinda dark but that’s what I came up with
The fact that SpottedLeaf literally manipulated LeafPool into ‘following her heart’ is crazy. And after that LEAFPOOL is blamed for it by YellowFang?! As soon as that happened I knew something was off. You tell her to follow her heart and then blame her for it? Wth?
Yes I agree
Yeesh! This actually makes a lot more sense in hindsight. They’re the victims of Onestar Syndrome! And these books need some good new writers!
I don’t think the writers are the issue, the issue is the story team. The authors have no control over the content of their books, they can’t even choose the cats’ names. So what is really needed is a new story team
The way the Erin's manipulated squilf and her sister into losing their powers though-
FINALLY SOMEONE ADDRESSEES THIS *ISSUE.*
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Yes! This has bothered me forever
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I’m doing a story where starclan is acknowledged as corrupt, how the heck am I supposed to defeat them though 💀
- the core in that one horror choose your own adventure map
- throw hands like the dark forest
- run away
- destroy a spiritual conduit (moonstone, moonpool, etc)
Throw hands
THROW HANDSS
Throw paws first, then let's destroy the spiritual conduit and, to be sure, let's burn the books while we dance around a pentagram.
@@laraendlight9887 i agree
@@laraendlight9887 okay THIS is the best idea
I hope in a starless clan, the cats realize what StarClan has been doing and out of spite stop believing in them.
Yes, or something!! Jeez... I haven't even finished OotS but I can already see StarClan is an absolute trainwreck of writing. Maybe at some point we'll get more details on whatever prophetic 'higher power' StarClan gets these omens from? Looking forward to it! (And yeah they should at the very least confront StarClan for all their mistakes. 'He loved too much'?? I sure am a sucker for Yellowfang, but that just ruined her...)
I mean, its called A Starless Clan for a reason...
Yeah, they even gaslit SquirrelFlight and LeafPool.
Long ago, a fellow Warriors fan of mine told me StarClan was like her official religion, because it comforted her so much. I feel bad for her now
My take on this is that yellowfang and spottedleaf were the ones involved in the three. They are the ones that make the most mistakes. People want to control what they don't understand so why can't the cats? Feathertail is dragged into this by spottedleaf. And yellowfang drags Micah in too. The evil spottedleaf au is intertwined with this. Rock is definitely involved.
Squirrelflight and leafpool were done dirty. They should repay squilf by letting her become leader and making ivypool her deputy. It's the only way.....
But squirrelfight is now too old to be a leader and leafpool die...
I never said leafpool wasn't dead. And crowfeather is older than her and he will most likely be windclan's next leader. Who's to say we won't get a squirrelstar? Also they said sorreltail and brightheart were old to be having kits in omen of the stars when sorreltail isn't much older than spiderleg. They can't be more than a year apart. They have cat ages sort of just ehh... so...
Leafpool's death was sadly an unavoidable spoiler. Yes I'm behind, I'm reading squirrelflight's hope. I started the series in 2017 probably 2018 so I have an excuse.
Good thing for you is squirrelflight is now squirrelstar
Thank you for addressing this, Akira! I've hated this for so long, it makes me angry. Love your videos, thanks for making them! I've been watching you for years and your videos are always amazing
It'd be interesting if this were true. Maybe Midnight could have seen what StarClan was doing with LeafCrow and tried to get them back to the clans before it was too late for them to fall victim to whatever whim of fate that StarClan was about to cruelly put them on, but it was too late since as we all know: clan cats reproduce by a girl cat and a boy cat that love each other usually very shallowly looking each other in the eyes when the nursery demands babies be in it. The way kits are made so quickly feels like it's StarClan's will to put the kits in the cats rather than an action they have any sort of control over. Most I can argue is Ferncloud who I buy the theory of her noticing Leaf was pregnant and chose to have another litter just in case, but I can absolutely see that being an act of StarClan as well to ensure the three survived after they had to change parentage. It could also explain why Foxleap and Icecloud look nothing like either parent, they were last minute creations and could have been meant for a different couple (BrightCloud's original second litter maybe? The Erins do like kits after breakups as we learned from SquirrelBramble and Amber, Dew and Snow didn't come until way later) that may have either ratted out Leafpool or refused to raise the kits (I doubt Bright would do either but if I were StarClan, I would feel Fern was the safer option between the two since she's the perma queen).
Somehow that turned into a weird rant about how kits are made and I'm sorry for the weird tangent but I had to vocalize a thing I never thought about before.
Welcome back!
I agree. Leafpool was done dirty, and it's even more annoying when they fail to address this stuff.
It’s kinda funny. I made a comment earlier talking about the inconsistency of Squirrelflight and Leafpool’s telepathy and I didn’t expect a video to made of this. This theory is definitely very interested and well made, so maybe this is the case. But yea it does represent how wonky the writing was since the first arc and Squirrelflight and Leafpool’s telepathy is proof of that. And yea I’m not going to lie, as much as I love yellowfang I really got mad at her when she belittled Mothwing, lied to Squirrelflight, had that stupid trial with the two sisters, oh and letting Ashfur into StarClan, seriously she made their lives more difficult than they deserved.
When you make you own AU with your own ancestors and post-life realms and people ask you what's wrong with Starclan: this is probably on top of the many reasons Starclan looks every book more like a group of assholes having fun watching the living struggles (after all Bluestar wanted Firestar to ignore Skyckan's ghosts while knowing what happened in the past) and tormenting them as long as things go as they please.
Aside from lying about infertility to force Squilf to take the kits and then judging her for lying like they don't "live" with Yellowfang or don't know what she did, there's the good ol': "Mental instability and pain aren't an excuse to kill, Mapleshade. But an obsessed psycho ready to kill and hurt the object of his obsession clearly loved too much and pain is a perfect excuse to abuse your victim if the reason is """"love"""" like poor Ashfur's case" (I'd really like to know how Yellowfang would have tried to excuse it if Ashfur tried to even the stalking and the r-word).
Or: "No Juniperclaw, you must rot in hell for trying to murder a Clan out of anger for your evil-sister'a banishment, not succeeding (and so not murdering anyone) and repenting yourself by saving two lives in your last moment. You can't ask for forgiveness, you should have thought about it before! Now let's go say hi to our pleasant Starclan member, the mother who isolated and verbally abused her son 'cause he just got "ugly" after almost dying and never once asked for forgiveness in life! And Tom! Dear old Tom, such a nice cat!" (Thanks Kate for telling us that Tom walks in a "kittypets sky where good cats will teach him to be gentler" after saying that there was possibility he could abuse the kits to have control over Turtle Tail and that he had a sense of owner ship over them and not affection and that's why One Eye hurting them was unacceptable).
Let's add Oakstar (the Warrior Code still asks to help kits, he knew they were too young but banished them and the mother only for who was the father, not for the Half-Clan things, he literally says: "It had to be him?!") and Darkstar (he literally had the kids to be buired in his territory knowing that the mother couldn't just come in to visit their graves, it's just pure torture on someone who already bares the guilt for the accident)... Nightwing should be kicked only for how stupidly forced is the plot-point for him to find out the kits were half-clan ("The elder told me they can't jump that far and since this is something only Thunderclan can do, not like EVERY fricking cat can pounce on a prey, I followed you just un time to see Appledusk being nice to you!")
I never got why rainflower ended up in starclan she should have been sent to the df for the horrible horrible treatment of crookedstar
Wait, HOW DID TOM WENT TO KITTYPET HEAVEN?
@@mediatorraptor3349 ask Kate, I found about what she said in her blog only while asking around about "Dawn of the Clans" before reading it.
BlogClan has moved, but the old syte should still be available to read, don't remeber if Kate's words on Tom are there or in the new one thou.
Sometimes I get the feeling that starclan have some strange grudge against Firestar's bloodline.
Of course! Starclan is scared of the all-powerful Jake!
@@bentleyvos Thats why they sent down the meteor to kill him
Moral of the story: do not anger Erin hunter
4:37 lol why'd they make Crookedstar the one to call out Squirrelflight's 'lies'? Didn't he lie to his clan about his training with Mapleshade his whole life? (Or whatever the deal was there)
All the 'series 1 cats' now in Starclan are deceitful anyway - bluestar, yellowfang, etc. - but they get free passes in? Very hypocritical writing
I just watched your video about Sky and wanted to point out another thing I noticed about Fidgetflake that's suspicious. He knew about the dogs before anyone mentioned them! He didn't even know about Curlfeather's death before this conversation! On the way to the Moonpool this was the conversation on page 253,
Mothwing: Is this where it happened?
Fidgetflake: Where what happened?
Frostpaw: Curlfeather died here.
Fidgetflake: I'm sorry.
Owlnose: She was a loyal Clanmate and she loved Frostpaw and her littermates very much.
Fidgetflake: What happened to the dogs?
How did he know about the dogs!? Am I missing something, was this an oopsie by the Erins, or does Fidgetflake know more than he's letting on?
Star Clan is secretly the Dark Forest with the lights on
So maybe it’s the afterlife government that came before Starclan that are the true villains?
The in universe writers!
The ancient light-gleam hunters!
"Squirrelflight cant have kits"
2016 : SQUIRRELFLIGHT"S KITS ARE BORN!!!!
when you’re so early that you watched mistystar’ birth
I miss the mysterious, all-knowing StarClan that rarely interfered with anything from Into the Wild
This theory is very interesting. And to the dovewing being born in a different litter made me think of another theory of my own - Hollyleaf did have powers,they were just not awakening yet - and when she got separated from Jayfeather and Lionblaze,her powers were transferred to Dovekit
Anyways,really cool!!!
My theory about Starclan is that, to put it simple, their not perfect(iam not sure the Erin's ever even insisted they were). Starclan is simply where cats who did right in their lives go, as opposed to the dark forest, they still have lasps in judgment and are susceptible to making the wrong decisions, but they ultimately try to do what is best, and what they believe is right. I will never be convinced they are evil or outright bad. Fans can think and say whatever they please, but if the Erin's say starclan are the good guys, then we have to accept it, it's cannon.
I agree with some of what you say, but I really wouldn’t call StarClan “the good guys” for there are some cats in there who really didn’t do the right thing in their lives and still went there after death (Like Rainflower who abandoned and emotionally abused/neglected her son because he got disfigured, and don’t forget about Ashfur who was still in StarClan for awhile before going rouge and against them).
To me, StarClan is a place filled with cats that they accept as “qualifiable”. Trying to explain what is “qualifiable” to be accepted into StarClan is flimsy to say the least. Because we have cats like Onestar who abandon Smoke and Darktail during their time of need and deliberately lied to his other mate Whitetail for years about his secret double life and still went to StarClan, but Frecklewish gets to go to the Dark Forest for not risking her life to save Mapleshade’s kits from drowning in a flooded river which was something she had very little control over.
StarClan is definitely not perfect, and definitely has relapses in their judgment constantly. I say what they really need to do is stop interfering with the lives of living cats so much, and maybe the Erins should add in a purgatory for cats who can’t be decided on which afterlife they should go to depending on their actions.
@@starstorm1267 I agree, there are definitely some cats who I find questionable about being a loud to join Starclan's ranks, with rainflower being one of the best examples, but I guess being an emotionally abusive mother(to one of her sons, she fawns all over oakheart) isn't bad enough to condemn her to the dark forest. Onestar makes more sense though, he was a toolbox not doubt, but he ultimately sacrificed himself to defeat darktail and saving the clans from the Kin, that's gotta count for something. However all that does is prove the point that the starclan cats are flawed, but I still see them as the good ones, because the dark forest does exist, and those cats are clearly evil.
I don't consider Starclan evil either, but they are hypocritical and self-righteous. I guess they have to put on an act of always knowing what they're doing in order to avoid panicking the clans who look to them for guidance but, even when they've clearly made a mistake, they refuse to own up to it. I'd have more sympathy for them if they would just admit that they don't always know what the right thing to do is.
I believe that anything that dies goes to spiritual place, some cats found a place and started putting borders for it, hence the creation on star clan. Somehow they divided the land so that morally lacking cats are banished to the other side, hence creation of the dark forest. This means starclan exist just because the dead cats made a terriotery in afterlife, nothing else special.
Sol was right, the clans might have to come to an end.
Just as I was reading about Lionblaze's confrontation with Bramblestar/ch.14 (The Silent Thaw)
It makes me uncomfortable that the writers would rather make Yellowfang look worse by having her lie about Squirrelflight's fertility than leave her and Bramblestar's relationship 'incomplete' (ugh) by not giving them their own litter. If it was so important that the opening protagonist of AVOS be the son of another protagonist, Lionblaze was right there and Cinderheart was already trying to have a litter with him. In fact it would make the timeline less wonky if Alderheart's personality and story line had been given to one of their children because we're supposed to believe Dawnpelt's kits and Snowbird's second litter, who were born in Bramblestar's Storm are still apprentices by the time of his first Gathering.
How has no one commented yet- this is a very interesting idea, Akira! Very good as always!
Does anyone remember how yellow fang told Jay feather to tell cinder heart about her past life?
Most prophecies always seem to have some "hidden price" to the cats that they're about, or those around them. Bluestar having to give up her kits to become deputy, Brambleclaw having to kill his half-brother to protect the clan and save his leader, Leafpool believing Jayfeather's blindness as a punishment and so on
It was always my personal theory that Leafpool and Squirrelflight's misfortune in life was Firestar's. He's the only cat, that while he's gone through a lot, none really seemed like a "price". Bluestar was always going to die, to become leader, the leader before you needs to die.
So I just always thought his price of being a prophecy cat was the suffering of his unborn daughters.
Everything is awful for them, and we never see his perspective, but I have to imagine seeing your daughters go through _so much_ pain and unable to do a thing about it....had to have been hard on him (and Sandstorm)
I just realized that the art he uses for Yellowfang looks high-
Akira is finally back! I have been watching Akira's older videos the whole day!
So, Leafpool and Squirrelflight were on thin ice for deceiving their clan mates. Let’s pretend Starclan and some of the cats on the trial didn’t have a hand in this happen, because you know who ALSO deceived their clan mates AND their partner like Squirrelflight did???
Onestar!!! And what’s that? Tallstar, the guy who went against clan customs to make him leader AND who presumably watched all the mistakes he made? Well, golly gee Starclan, I guess it’s okay for Onestar to roll around in paradise after taking YEARS to get off his rump and fix his mistake after countless deaths
But those two? The two ladies who who were thrusted into a difficult situation that you helped cultivate, I don’t know…
I don’t even read Warrior cats anymore, but I somewhat keep up in the fandom analysis since it’s got itself together better than the books themselves
I’m so glad someone finally addressed this issue.
Leafpool was really done dirty, and StarClan isn’t really perfect in any way, isn’t it literally just where cats who did right in their lives go? They’re really just normal cats with the power to affect the clans drastically aren’t they? I might just be remembering how StarClan is like wrong but yk?
Honestly, I wish they'd left StarClan as a more mysterious, nebulous thing. I never needed or wanted explanations for how kitty-cat heaven works. If we know exactly what their deal is, then anything pertaining to StarClan may as well just be happening with living cats instead.
I also think that the reason Yellowfang does all the dodgy things is because in the first arc she's somewhat of a voice of reason. She played a mentor role to Firestar while she was alive, and usually following her advice turned out well for him. With her being perceived as a snarky but wise grandmother, it makes sense that the authors would use Yellowfang to try and do the things they found to be "reasonable" for a StarClan cat to do in the plot. Want to clear a cat's name? Yellowfang's a pretty good judge of character, so just have her say that the character was actually a decent person all along! Have some hard news that needs to be delivered for the plot to progress? Yellowfang's no stranger to that sort of thing, have her rip the band-aid off and provide a solution so that they can make the most of it, just like she did for Cinderpelt! The problem with this is that the books are written inconsistently, so while this idea works in theory, in practice it just turns Yellowfang into the opposite of what she was in the first arc. Instead of offing kit-killing tyrants even though they're her own flesh and blood, she's defending a cat who was very intentionally murderous on multiple occasions and was abusive to his ex-partner and his apprentice because "he only loved too much" and "his emotions got the better of him". The author might've thought it was reasonable at the time, but since it isn't actually reasonable the character being used as a mouthpiece for the author just looks like a callous fool who either hasn't been paying attention at all or someone who just... doesn't _care._
Again, this could've been solved if they'd kept to the Arc 1 approach to what StarClan is. Giving vague prophecies causes less characterization trouble than telling someone they're infertile just so they'll adopt their sister's kits. StarClan is a world building detail and a plot device. Making them actively be people around the living outside of things like leader ceremonies was their first misstep.
The only “good” starclan is the literal start of Starclan
Good ol times..In the first book...When Starclan was a myth, and that they weren't cats who wake you up at 4AM to tell you mysterious things to look cool, and randomly lie to you, then blame you for believing their bullshit
I love the leafpool and squirrel flight design
Squirrelflight being barren never BECAME a lie. It always was. Leafpool confront Yellowfang about it in the novella. When Yellowfang says she had a vision, and after Leafpool in alone with her, she note that she can't have vision through the thing she said gave her the vision. It was always supposed to be a lie. It was never a retcon
the paragraph in question:
_"Starclan has never seen the future in the Moonpool before," she meowed quietly. "Were you telling the truth?"_
_Yellowfang kept her gaze fixed on the back of Squirrelflight's head. "The truth is that Squirrelflight will make a far better mother for these kits than you will Leafpool. That is the only thing that matters now."_
- *_Leafpool's Wish, Chapter 6_*
@@emptybanana2126 thank you. I don't understand how everyone thought Squirrelflight was really barren when it's made clear Yellowfang was manipulating her (and it's really disgusting)
I think the old cat should be removed from the StarClan court. I love Yellowfang as a character, but still she has a very outdated mindset. She thinks all cats have to go through incredible hardships to succeed, but they don't. One might as well live a quiet and happy life.
Starclan ordered Leafpool and Squirrelflight to lie, which they did. Then Starclan gets mad because they follow their orders and almost doesn't let them into Starclan. If I were a clan cat, I'd choose free training over manipulation.
I get why Cloudtail, Mothwing and Yarrowleaf don't believe in Starclan now
If I was born in one of the Clans I would leave
(Random fact) did you know that in the book Into the Wild in the beginning of the book where it shows the roles of the cats in the clans, in the elders for shadow clan there is a cat named Ashfur.
Theres a reason my own StarClan is the villain of my OC’s story…
I really appriciated Leafpool (and Squirrelflight) a lot more after Squirrelflight's Hope. Starclan's 100% put them up to this. They forced and manipulated them to take this part and have this be their destiny. And then they have the gall to ask why they should be allowed to stay instead of going to the Dark Forest due to how their life played out and the situation they were in?
The cats judging them had done the exact same things themselves, without Starclan pushing them and blocking every other path, and yet instead of bowing their heads, apologicing and treating Leafpool and Squirrelflight like heros, they act high and mighty and question if the sisters are worthy of joining them at their side instead of banishing them to the Dark Forest for choices the Starclan cats themselves set up for and made for them with 0 regards for the two sisters because it was oh so important to all the clans and Starclan itself?
This book really made me dislike Starclan, and honestly I would see it as a win at this point if the series ends with the clan cats tearing themselves away from Starclan and actually lives their own lives. If we ever does get that warriors movie, I would see it as a positive change if they stick with keeping Starclan how it was in the first 6 books (if they get more than one movie).
I'm convinced that they only made Ashfur the main bad guy because the fans never got over their decition of putting him in Starclan. Can you imagine if the trail scene had involved Ashfur as one of the cats shown as worthy of staying in Starclan with the, hypocrit, judge cats while they looked down on and asked Squirrelflight and Leafpool to pleade for their case in order to convince them?
Plus the scene where Mothflight says that it didn't have to be Jay, Holly and Lion, and that they could have chosen any cats for the prophecy. 1st, so that a new power they apperently have that came out of nowhere. 2nd, so even when the option to choose a warrior with a mate in the same clan was there, you still decided that it had to be Leafpool who needed to be given the task that goes against her way of life as a medicine cat and! a clan cat? That really didn't make them look any better.
I remember thinking about all the reasons Ashfur shouldn't be in Starclan years ago, and later that day someone else had sent a Facebook message to Vicky, bringing up almost all the points I had been thinking about as well. Vicky said that the post almost convinced her that Ashfur should have been in the Dark Forest, and hey, what do you know, in the next arc, they have him do more stuff so that they can now justify booting him out of Starclan. Although this opens the can of worms that, apperently it's really easy to just lie yourself in. Some moments of groveling and saying you're oh so very sorry, and Starclan will apperently go "oh ok then, no worries. Welcome in", and just sweep any action under the rug. Plus it's the fact that when he 1st appeared as a Starclan cat, Starclan claimed that they had no say in who got there or not, just that the cat's spirit will find its way if it's worthy, so Ashfur apperently didn't even have to convince anybody.
If Starclan's only! interaction with/words to Leafpool during this entire time had been "Follow your heart", I could have understood why they would have been dissapointed in Leafpool at the end (and how they could have felt that they obviously meant follow your heart towards your work, family and your loyalty to your code). However!, that would not change the fact that she absolutely didn't deserve a trail and risk going to the dark forest, seeing how Bluestar and Yellowstone had done the exact same thing, and was still seen as these big figures in the afterlife. Heck, Greystripe was seen as worthy enough to instantly be guided to Starclan after having done the exact! same as Leafpool, and Firestar is the most praised cat of all, when he broke the code and went behind his clan's back several times before he become leader (with his only reasoning being that it was the right thing to do/the better outcome/for the greater good to do so, and apperently Starclan was fully onboared with him all those time, cause it's never showen being brought up/never showen it being thrown in Firestar's face as a negative example about him). The Erins seriously, down right ruined Starclan, and most likely only put that scene in cause they wanted one more moment of drama/tention.
The fact that the Erins sat there and thought "Cat who birthed 2 of the crusial cats for the clans continued survival/exsistance, cat who devoted her her life to her clan expect for 1 day w/Crowfeather and when having to give birth, cat whom found the place that makes it so we're able to actually watch over and communicate with the clans, cat who was loyal to us and followed our every word/order even when it means living in pain and judgement for it. This! cat, totally needs to defend why we shouldn't chuck her with cats who wanted to destroy and/or control the clans and had no problem leaving a river of blood behind them in order for them to reach their goal. Cause obviously! her actions are so much worse than ex-es that wants to axe off kits that has the mix of the blood of a she-cat he liked and a tom that isn't him, and! his leader because of that fact, a cat that let a rival leader take over her clan and axe off any of her clan mates he saw fit, and a cat that gave his full support and freely/gladly followed two! leaders in their quest to destroy/control all the other clans for their own sake/for their own, destructive, selfsentered wants". 🙄 Sure, that makes perfect/logical sense.
I've watched your videos since i was nine, and I still love them :D ty for being one of the only warriors youtubers I feel comfortable watching ^^
to be fair to Yellowfang, she at least stands up for Squirrel & Leaf in the trial
Thank you! I'm so glad somebody else remembers!
Something I loved about TPB and DOTC is the lack of Starclan. I’ll just be blunt and say I think Starclan’s presence was much better before POT and onward. They were more mysterious and vague, they felt like an afterlife. But from POT onward they just feel like an annoying clan that just has higher power. They don’t feel mysterious and spiritual, just.. there. Judge mental and stuck up. Idk. These days the idea of Starclan puts a sour taste in my mouth.
Ill be fr, the first series is my fav, and always will be, i dont have much money to get past the 2nd arc rn, but you postings ur videos helps me understand what tf is happening lmao
Recently , I red Leafpool's wish and honestly I almost spitted my water when Bluestar (I think it was Bluestar or Spottedleaf) told Leafpool that they were alwats be by her side no matter what (After Leafpool find out about her pregnancy)
Like ? No ? Starclan was NEVER there to help out Leafpool , they almost sent her in hell for having the kids (They almost sent Squilf in hell too when they are the one who forced her to take the kits)
Honestly , I feel like the Leafpool situation could have been resolved way more easily. I think Leafpool should have came clean to her clanmate since the beguining. It's not like they could have kicked her out , she was the only medecine cat and her kits were prophezied by Starclan (That did say that they were going to support Leafpool)
This actually makes a lot of sense!
The only confusing thing for me is thar starclan clearly gets prophecy after prophecy way before they actually happen. This is proven with goosefeather
I seriously hate how yellowfang is so trashy about leafpool having kits when yellowfang did the same exact thing!! And gave birth to brokenstar like your one to talk
Honestly I am pissed that the writers completely s*** on star clan and ruined the only important quote of the darkest hour
100% agree, the darkest hour is my favorite warriors book so the fact that book is left in the dust is beyond frustrating.
@@gilramanujan8826 me too I read the book for the first time when I was 14 years old and I was in love with this book and now they buried it with the stunt they pulled they should be ashamed as writers to do this not only to the series but to the readers
@@sophietremblay3795 yea even despite all this. This will always be there. No continuous series can change that for me especially how much I love it.
@@gilramanujan8826 i agree I almost done reading the 6th cycle in French and I know that the rest will be dreadful
Starclan is a corrupt government but with kittens. Prove me wrong.
Challenge suggestion make warrior cat characters as dogs
Your animation and art style is amazing! I love ur vids!😊😊
This isn’t their art style btw ^^ she credited the original artist in the description
@@Littlefox1213 oh alr!
*THIS ISSUE HAD BEEN HIDDEN SO LONG, FINALLY SOMEONE!*
I love this theory.
Might mention some of it while writing my rock backstory.
Hi, I love you’re channel!
I feel like the more and more we learn about StarClan the less it makes sense, and the more horrible it is.
Yeah, it’s a great theory, but if it was true than it would probably mess up quite a few things in warrior cats canon.
Um..
If Star’Clan didn’t exist back then, what about the spirit cats in DOTC?
It was worth the wait!
Yellowfang has so many issues
Yeah, they practically butchered her after the first arc
Something something generational trauma from starclan punishing her for kicking skyclan out with brokenstar and two stillbirths
Omg the Ahoy hat on Dako’s cat is stranger things! I love stranger things Ngl
Star Clan did choose, more or less, on who went to the Sun Drown place to lead to the lake.
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This blew my mind, wow
I feel like there is an entity above starclan. Starclan is just where the dead cats go while this entity is an other worldly being.
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Skywatcher was a SkyClan cat not Starclan. Although he did die pretty soon after telling Firestar the prophecy.
i watch these and pretend i understand
While true the prophecies are older than the clans, I still think the prophecies are StarClan's fault. Not the cats directly, but the ancients who are making the StarClan cats directly meddle with the living. What's the point of these ancient spirits sending prophecies when StarClan isn't supposed to meddle? And even if they weren't directly named StarClan these ancients focus way too much on cats when there are, in all honesty, more important predators that can be focused on. Cats offer nothing to the ecosystem.
I also feel we can't use TPB StarClan as proof for anything, because, from my memory at least, they function vastly different than what they do Arc 2 and on. There's no mystery behind StarClan after Arc 2.
And I think Yellowfang is just a convenient cop-out for the writers + They refuse to let characters of the past rest, DOTC cats being the perfect example. There's no reason they shouldn't be faded, by the time of TPB they're supposed to be legends. A lot of stuff just comes from bad writing and inconsistency because Squirrelflight's Hope doesn't even make sense considering they could give her a trial but not Ashfur. If the Erins really wanted things to work out better they would retcon things, like making Squilf's Hope after TBC and just making it a rule that any codebreakers have to have a trial now, and not going so hard on them. Because the codebreaking bullshit also makes no sense when every cat is buddy buddy in StarClan
Maybe Ashfur was allowed into StarClan because some of them felt guilty about manipulating Brambleclaw and Squirrelflight into being mates with each other. *ominous music* Kidding! Mostly.
In my warroir cats Au, Starclan is kind of like the colonists, they came in to other spirits territories and forced them out, calling them the rejects. Also in my AU star plan does not have as much power as Seems it does, and it is one of the lowest of spirit powers
Leaf and squilf were always odd. I don’t say bc i hate them,i don’t. Actually, Leaf is my favourite character,but is something wrong with this two…
Agreed!
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has akira stopped posting challenge videos?
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Bluestar had a good reason to hate starclan.
Does anyone have the link to the discord server, I was away for that week that it was open and was unable to join it.
It opens every time there’s an art challenge or challenge in general I believe
@@Spidermonkey43 I'm gonna hope so, bc I keep being late to it, and they moved the server for fewer people which I think is very unfair.
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Ok yeah this is why my warrior cats oc doesn't believe starclan anymore they let his clan DIE all of a prophecy and it was for the wrong clan
I like this theory, but highly doubt the Erin's actually intended for it lol
Wow I’m pretty early
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i wanna continue the seriesbut i hate jay feather and his siblings. and their the main characters..
Hhh I cant find the discord 😢
0:23 I do
It shows no views but 28 likes on my device 😅😭
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I think this whole concept of them being judged is dumb no other cats had to go Through that and there are worse cats out there in starclan like Millie blackstar hollyleaf rainflower and ashfur
The judgment thing was illuded to have been done to others but they just never actually show it especially for those prior to when it's introduced.
It really just a retcon that didn't write well.
Which just brings in more questions about how it works.
They illude that Ashfur was judged and likely some how convinced starclan he regretted his actions. Obviously that was a lie.
Blackstar I think fits there because he DID regret his actions. He spent his whole leadership questioning himself because of his actions. His whole super edition I think is just him moping.
And Hollyleaf on tried punishing herself by staying in the tunnels, if Lion hadn't stopped her after she saved Dove and Ivy she likely would've died there. Plus I don't really see it being completely "cold blood' murder to kill a man her try to kill you, your siblings, AND your grandpa.
I also don't think it's right to compare Mille to Rainflower. Obviously Mille still was pretty bad in some ways, but she didn't neglect young kits. Her kits were GROWN. Why how she infantilized Briar was kinda dumb she wasn't out there neglecting her children when they still needed her. I don't like her but she's not Rainflower bad.
But yeah feck Rainflower 😂
@@painthedolllol fair valid points I don't think anyine like rainflower but valid arguments for the others
Millie wasnt that bad
It’s implied in Onestar’s Confession that this trial happened but he just wasn’t there for the trial. They judged him without him being there which I’m not sure is better or not than being there.
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