To all the critics - stop judging and take this video on! It is well made, the points are clear and it is aimed at intermediates. Sometimes simple will do just fine. Gerald - Level 4 / Race Coach
Too simple. Telling racers to put all the weight on the downhill ski is simple. It's also misleading. The reason I make this point is that by the time a ski becomes the downhill ski, the racer needs to be getting off it on to the other ski, which is still the inside ski, and still uphill, and still on the outside edge. This coach is slick and keeps it simple. Too slick and too simple.
Lots of negative comments but I think this is very useful. For people yet to carve, this is a simple bit of instruction and once you feel it, you get it. Then you can move onto more complicated things. Also, it is very good footage which helps to get the point across.
Many skiers are not aiming to carve turns, that's cool. Very few have the strength, balance. To carve hard and deep takes determination, passion and courage. Plus sharp edges and short ski's that are ridgid. I am happy to say this was an excellent video thank you🤩. I have a good pair of RC4 Fischer if I don't stand hard on the outside leg the ski will kick up violently when it grabs in the end of the turn. All that force accelerates your whole body if you do this well. Skiing off piste on an all mountain or touring ski definitely spread your weight evenly, and in powder of course!! Skiing in Queenstown, New Zealand. 35 days skied so far.... season ends October 18. Opposite to the northern hemisphere 😜
haha! that's what is happening today! We are all just "icing the cake" and outta control. Seriously, dang good video. Simple, yet explosively immersive with thought!
Thank you . This was made to help our young racers realize the difference between edging and sliding SO many slide their turns and just need that visual to get them on edge.
@@live2ski108 The simplest way is to release the pressure on the current downhill ski. If you do that, the weight has nowhere else to go other than the other foot.
My alpine skills improved by learning telemark. Telemark requires a lot more pressure on the uphill ski. After applying this to my alpine technique, I began desiring to carve the entire width of a slope. I am no professial skier nor a ski racer, but I heard the video's same advice as a young, developing skier. It didn't feel great, but I got down the mountain. My smiles only came from catching air. Uphill ski pressure, and learning about "bending" the ski really made me start to whip around each turn. Wish I had learned sooner, but we're all getting a little bit better (hopefully).
Very good video. It is the best I found on youtube about this subject. Thanks. Are you going to have any new topic soon? Maybe techniques on bumps and moguls?
Our seasons are so short here in Ontario. I hope to make some more soon. But thank you Kenny. I will keep you in mind for bumps and moguls. What level of skier are you?
you can carve on inside ski only also and I came here to know the difference why it is faster to give more weight to outside ski... but all I got is a lot of missleading information... you can also slide with angled ski... for example when braking... and also you never use only the outside ski when you want to go fast in a turn...
There are a few negative comments here essentially saying that the instruction in this video is wrong. Whilst I understand why the negative comments are made I think they are unfair. This video is not aimed at advanced skiers or racers it is clearly aimed at more intermediate skiers who skid/slide every turn and are looking to learn how to carve. For those people in that situation this video is good instruction because the first thing intermediate skiers have to work on is getting more of their weight on the outside ski during the turn as well as making sure the outside ski is tilted on its inside edge. Once they improve in this area, which will take some time, then they can begin to think about when and where they transfer the weight as well as beginning to use the inside ski. So if you are an intermediate skier who skids their turns and wish to begin to learn to carve then this is a good video with good instruction. After all, learning is a progression and one step at a time is what a good progression is all about.
I appreciate your input Furthy Thirtyfour. The target audience is the younger racers who we need to get from sliding their turns to carving them...getting them thinking about the downhill ski and pressuring it. Speaking in analogies they can understand, visualize doing, and then make their skis do the same thing.
In my experience, whenever you talk to skiers of any level about "transferring weight", you have a problem. The natural inclination when you talk about actively putting weight somewhere is to stand on that leg. And the interpretation of standing on the leg leads to a flattening of the ski - the very opposite of what is desired. The "weight" (or more accurately, the force) being applied to the outside ski is a consequence of the ski turning. It's not what makes the ski turn. The same with applying pressure. The pressure is controlled by the amount of edge and the steering action. When an intermediate skier is told to "apply pressure" it's almost meaningless without further explanation.
I see where you are coming from, which is why in the video we talk about icing the cake, or cutting the cake and show the visuals of the edge rolling on and into the hill to carve (OR cut the cake). The racers we are working with have really succeeded with the imagery. It is all a progression and more is to come.
@kevinmurphy8644 I'm trying to figure out how to answer your question. I will be making a video to show how to carve soon. Its a rolling of the ankle and adding the pressure to that new outside ski and down into the ski and snow to make it bend. I will try and tag you when I make the next one.
@GeroLubovnik ... Question ... if you are skiing on one ski, the downhill ski and you make a complete turn (and i'm talking long wide turns, least 30-40 metres across the hill) on the one ski, with the inside ski lifted up from the snow - is the inside ski "providing the strength for the outside ski to function". Is there any torque moving up from the inside over the pelvis to the downhill leg? I mean if you have 100% pressure on the downhill ski, none of this 90/10, 80/20 stuff, initiating the turn, making the turn, completing the turn .... is the inside ski "guiding the turn" when there is no inside ski to do that ... how come the mass and momentum move with outside ski when the inside ski is not there to provide support .... So yeh, when you put the inside ski down on the snow, in essence, it is "along for the ride" ... if anything, it is providing balance, not strength. Try it, takes practice, tho. most people have a hard time skiing on one ski, most fall over as they have improper stance and balance issues, especially as they making the turn. Transition in the middle of the hill, lift up your inside ski for the duration of the turn and on the "new" downhill ski initate, make the turn, finish the turn all on the downhill ski without putting the inside ski onto the snow and once turn completed, in the middle of the hill, transition to the new downhill ski, lift up the new inside ski and make another complete turn on the one ski - downhill ski .... It is ideal to go at least 10-20 metres on the new downhill ski before initiating the turn. There must be ONE track, no washouts if done properly ... Warning, you will get a good speed going, so you must do this on an easy wide hill with no one around - if get into trouble, just put your inside ski back onto the snow ... Once you find your proper body position to do this drill, you will have your body position for when you carve. Just emulate what you do with only one ski and apply it to when you have both skis on the snow. This drill also makes you "wait" for the turn to happen (cuz only on one ski, if you try to force the turn, you will fall over, or washout), which i find most people don't do on two skis, they always try to force or rush the turn which causes them to, what i call - washout ... so most people i see do 3 stages to what they think is a carved turn. 1.iniating turn = carving ... 2. ... making the actual turn = washout 3. finishing the turn = carving .... Sorry, but that ain't carving, the whole turn must be two distinct tracks, you should be able to distinguish your two tracks from the chairlift and see no washouts, just two solid tracks making S or C turns, otherwise you are just railroading .... on one ski, if proper balance, stance and edging/pressure control, there is no possibility of #2. So that, when you put the inside ski down, it does somewhat follows along for the ride. Only thing i say bout the inside ski, no magic number 90/10, 80/20, as long as inside ski not "floating around" or "wobbling", that's all the pressure you need on the inside.... in high speed carving/turning and i emphasis high speed (cause i very rarely see anyone doing it, they're going fast and they think they're carving/turning, but they're not), the inside ski does play a role in powering the turn but i dont see it as ... "provides strength for the outside ski to function." The outside ski should already be functioning to its maximum. As to rotational torque, upper body should be perfectly quiet, so no need for upper body "initiating" turns which causes rotational torque ... On short turns, there will be more rotation of the legs/hips going underneath the upper body, but ultimately your upper body and arms should be as quiet as a mouse, only flicks of the wrists to intiate timimg (keep in mind that portions of the upper body are always moving to aid balancing forces, but you the skier do not want to cause any unnecessary movement that will knock oneself off balance). If one is steering 100%, it has to be done by the outside leg. If you are tipping the inside to initiate the turn, in my opinion, you are interjecting a totally unnecessary step into the equation. But hey, everyone can ski anyway they want, no one is right, no one is wrong, no matter how loud one protests. Whether efficient or not is the question.
Paragraph One. Yes, the inside or previous downhill ski is there just because you can't put it anywhere else. It does not guide or control the turn. As you said, it can help you with your balance but can't control the turn in any way. Think about this when you want to start a new turn. You are standing on the pedals of a bicycle. Get off your right pedal, get off your left pedal. What would happen if you didn't remove all your weight from one pedal? The other pedal wouldn't be able to function. Paragraph Two. Whether you are carving or just doing sliding parallel turns, there has to be a change of weight from your downhill to your uphill foot to get the turn started. You are balanced on your downhill arch as you complete a turn. When you want to start a new turn, you face and lean down the hill as you get off your downhill foot. You are no longer balanced so you begin to fall down the hill. That is what changes the leg angle which makes the uphill leg lay over and that uphill ski get onto the arch or inside edge. Now you just balance on it and let that uphill ski make the turn. Paragraph Three. For slalom turns that upper body quietness is correct. For GS turns, which 90% of skiers make, you allow your upper body to Follow the direction of the turn but when you want to start new turn, you have to realign your upper body to begin facing down the hill as you get off your downhill foot. Your thinking is in the right direction but I disagree with the right and wrong part. Everyone needs to learn what skiing really is and at least understand what to do even if they haven't perfected it. If they don't, they will have a lot of problems with controlling their speed and stopping. To do either, you have to position your upper body and adjust your weight correctly or the skis won't be able to respond the way you want them to. After you know how to ski, then you can do whatever you want. Kind of like mastering driving a car in all conditions before you try to Race one.
Hi @opgamer9296 the normal rule of Keep your hands where you can see them is a good start. as a coach we never coach to the hands unless the hands are ruining what is happening with the skis. So keep them upfront and relaxed where you can see them and poleplant, but work from the feet up...Those are what is going to get you down the hill quicker. Only worry about your hands if they are throwing you OUT of balance.
People sometimes want to criticize anything that doesn't fit into the one tiny view point that they identify with. The way I see it, a variety of methods are "right"... or that there is no "right and wrong". We're sliding around on sticks. People can do it however they want and this video will help the people that it works for.
exactly ... but if you want to do it efficiently, carving is the way to go. And no, you can't carve everywhere so sometimes you have to do it the old ways... so it's best to be an all around skier.
ok i am going skiing now just gotta put on my climbing skins and hike for a hour and a half or so then take a nice run at 25-30 degrees pitch with about 18 inches of recent powder snow at -10 c and 1550 vertical ft drop of widely spaced mature Douglas fir trees in British Columbia, ha ,ha love it.........secret powder stash!!
I wish it is easy as you're saying it. I tried skiing for the first time in January and I'm doing pizza and French fries. This time I'm willing to completely learn how to parallel ski.
Pizza and French fries are a good start. Parallel skiing will come when you are more confident to stay on and over that downhill ski. Maybe my next one should be on balance and where your weight should be and what to avoid.
Try doing that off piste and you’ll just fall over. It took me years to unlearn the weight on the downhill ski mantra. Now I always aim for as even weighting on both skis as possible, and it works for virtually all types of snow & slope & speeds.
Oh heck ya. Off piste it is different beast that our groomers and race courses. snow conditions dictate ski weighting ratios and even fore and aft weighting.
its on the snow with far less weight on it, until the transition from one turn to the other, when the weight then shift to the new outside ski and IT begins its turn to carve its turn
"The outside ski does the work. The inside ski is just along for the ride"... WRONG!!!!! The inside ski is what provides the strength for the outside ski to function. Here's how it really works... The inside ski, either edging (for carving) or steering (for skidding or scarving), if utilized properly gets resistance from the snow, which generates torque. The torque moves up the inside leg, across the pelvis and down the outside leg to the outside ski. Don't believe me? Just use your inside ski to turn and try to keep your upper body separated and facing downhill. In that scenario, you have to generate an opposing force for your body to remain facing downhill. That will usually be upper body rotation. While countering can be done solely on the outside ski, it has to be done first, with the outside remaining in the old turn for a moment while the body "winds up" to create turning force for the outside ski. In contrast, if you use your inside ski as your ACTIVE ski, it in itself generates the opposing force that you simply ski into separation. Now "pressure"... an entirely different thing. Yes, the downhill ski will take most of the pressure, but will do so passively. Why? Because the body's mass has momentum behind it and the direction change will increase the pressure. Entering into a turn the exit of the previous turn creates the force for the pressure until the skis begin to change direction, combined with leg extension. If you look at most professionals, including the one in the video ski, you'll see that even if it's a nanosecond, the inside ski will lead the movement patterns. You'll notice that in the turns of this demonstrator, the inside ski actually begins carving a hair before the outside. I cannot tell you how many people get stuck as terminal intermediates believing the outside ski does all the work. See Deb Armstrong's video: czcams.com/video/h3FpHJbMrO0/video.html
GeroLubovnik Great comment though it may be difficult for the lay person to understand without visual reinforcement. Deb Armstrong’s videos are an excellent resource. As a professional instructor for over 35 years I understand what you’re saying and completely agree. Both inside and outside ski (and legs) need to work together to create symmetry and proper alignment. Pressure happens naturally through the physics of angular momentum created in the turn.
@@blackestjake Yeah... 1000 words is worth a picture. That's why you cannot beat private lessons. I'll meet your 35 years and see you a couple more :). The problem with focusing on the outside ski is that it can too often morph (or actually regress) into rotary pushoff- or worse, total upper body rotation. The inside ski stabilizes everything and allows pressure transfer to occur naturally any place within the turn via lateral body position and flexion/extension of the legs withing the turn shape. Since you mentioned Deb Armstrong, she has a video "Inside leg activity for the performance skier". Essentially, variations on the Whitepass turn :). I use it all the time to break bad habits, starting with almost a fully Whitepass, then blending it back, having the students begin pressuring the outside ski (with body position and extension) earlier and earlier into the turn until they have a traditional simultaneous parallel turn. Works like a charm. No dragging the inside like a dead anchor. Working the outside ski first invites all sorts of bad habits to creep in. I don't even teach that at the beginner level.
@@GeroLubovnik The rotational torque in turns largely comes from counteraction of the upper body, not the inside ski while carving. Skiing can fundamentally be understood as gravity agaisnt the slope pushing off on the ski, which pushes off against the heel through the hip. The difficulty in carving is setting up the upper body position in anticipation of taking that load, so that the push from the heel then positions the upper body for the next turn/push. The real purpose of the inside leg/ski during a turn is to set up for your upper body mass/load to move onto that new outside hip for said next pushoff. That's why it should move/rotate to point more uphill to shorten turns, etc, so that when you move onto it it's going in the direction you desire.
@@blackestjake There are a lot of ways to communicate proper mechanics. I got you beat in terms of years teaching skiing :). BTW... Love Deb Armstrong's videos. I got to ski a couple runs with her about 20 years ago. Was good fun.
@GeroLubovnik Seeing as you watch Deb's videos, watch this one of hers... czcams.com/video/_oRiYWM-Epw/video.html and look at 1:48 time stamp and 2:50 You have to commit to the new downhill ski Or the new Outside ski whatever verbage ski lingo you ascribe to. the video was made for U10 racers who first of all don't know their inside ski from their outside ski half the time, and the tend to not use their ankle flexion or knees to get the edge rolling on. when you tell kids to do it ALL then we hope that we will at least get them to do it 80%...kids can't work in ratios you tell them 90%-10% or 80%-20% weight distribution, that means nothing. we are just trying to get some change and explain it in a fun way.
carving correctly is the most efficient way of skiing there is I"ve seen so far ... and the least physically demanding as you are no longer "forcing" the turn, it just comes naturally, my father who is 89 can't walk 20 yards but he swears he still skiing cuz he is carving ... and yes he slides a bit at the apex of the arc (to slow his speed down) but he's 89.
This is excellent instruction.....30 years ago. Now, I think you will want to initiate the turn with the inside ski and use it as your steering ski, but the outside ski will take a good percentage of the weight. I learned that telemarking, but now it's the way to alpine ski also. The tracks don't lie!
Grizz Kid, they don't lie but they mislead as they have done to you. The tracks generally seem similar when the outside ski is heavily weighted/pressured and the inside barely.
Good video, will definitely get some jerry's to start ski racing. Which is the point of this video by the way. The comments are awesome and have lots of knowledge but don't adress the real target market. Most of the people watching this video would be racing fans and not passionate ski racers. No offence to the poster. The high level athlete called the video out within seconds but the fans are interested and might actually start racing or put their kids into it. Awesome video and loving the Blue Mountain slopes...easy and makes for great demos.
As others have pointed out, the tracks in your video demonstrate that you are mistaken. The trench left in the soft snow by the inside ski is nearly as deep as the one from the outside ski, indicating that the weighting is nearly equal. (as it should be in soft snow.) Only If the snow were East Coast Boilerplate should 90% of the weighting be on the outside ski in order to help the edge penetrate the ice with higher specific point loading. This is a common example of repeating old truisms (bend your knees ten dollars pleeze) without examining what is really happening by examining the evidence. As a matter of fact, top world cup skiers like Marcel Hircher are actually momentarily skiing on the inside ski during transition because it enables them to develop earlier edge angles and thus more powerful turn initiation. Teaching intermediate skiers to skid/slide every turn instead of learning the fundamentals of edging to control their turns does them no favors, and may send them permanently back to a warm lodge or a sandy beach. +
Richard, I'm sorry, I can't see where we are teaching skiers "to ski/slide every turn" we are doing the opposite...in the video we show how if they are flat skied they will slide and if they edge they will carve....it even shows it in the video...flat skis "ice the cake" and rolling the "knife" or ski edge will cut the cake. and Yes there is a point where we roll the downhill ski OFF Edge and the Uphill ski rolls on to become the downhill ski, yet we first have to get them edging the downhill ski and this is the point our young racers are at (some are still trying to remember which ski is doing what and when) we have to keep the videos short and sweet, and work on one thing at a time instead of blasting them with information from a "firehose"...small steps and big rewards. We are just into our ski season now, and the progress is coming, and more videos will follow with more of the stages. Hope you are enjoying your ski season, and or sandy beach whichever you prefer. We either have boiler plate, or slushy thick spring snow where we are.
@@live2ski108 It must be frustrating to get such lame comments from people that don't get the purpose of the video and even comment on things not in the video.
I'm good with T here. Your perception about what Marcel Hircher does is completely out of the picture. You have to train to extend tip, trust, 90% of the physical activity of starting a new turn before the relatively minor movements from the inside of the body ( legs )inside foot are able to really participate in and help the speed of a turn. Who turned on the tap of trying to teach children perfect anything. One of the earlier videos had a number of children describing what got them carving. Every one different feeling different keys ...same result because the physics are the same.
As a PSIA Level III and USSA Race Coach I can say this guy is correct. Even though it's geared towards intermediates learning to carve, the statement of all weight is on the outside ski is totally incorrect. This must have been done by a level 2 who is is evaluating a level 3 inst. skiing. Pressure on the outside ski will increase with speed and edge angle but there will always be some pressure on he inside ski or it will skid/smear. Only under the most demanding situations will there be 100% outside ski weighting. Look at video of Mikeala skiing Super G and you will see both skis carving which means the uphill ski has some weight on it.Same with SL, GS and downhill
Realmente é legal esquiar ... para mim parece liberdade enquanto você desce a colina. e torna a estação de inverno muito mais divertida aqui no Canadá!
My apologies, I am working to do more. It has been a few wacky years and now with Covid ockdown we have JUST gotten back on the slopes. If there is something you want to learn or understand specifically let me know and I will aim to do that soonest.
So MANY haters! So much dogma! Please!, everyone stand back and take what is presented for its' best points and discard the rest. What is described is best learned by what you CAN do. Watching, and learning through practice, is the best way. An excellent coach is worth it, too, but time on the skis is the secret.
The problem with that is, people that can recognize the good parts don't need the video. And for all the rest, this is just plain wrong. They're teaching things that will have to be "unlearned".
You can be and andvanced skier with not much leg strength but lots of knowledge about technique. When carving properly the strength requirement is not high.
@@trouts4444 agreed, it is technique, no magic here. It is the ability to utilize the ski to it's maximum potential and strength really has nothing to do with it ... it's technique
@@trouts4444Mikaela has the best mechanics of any skier on earth, ever. She beats bigger stronger women because of this. Her secret is in how she uses her hips / pelvic bone tilt, and how much work she puts in mastering the basics.
@@shooter7a She came to Massachusetts with her mother to visit her grandmother. She went to a local ski shop and they outfitter her with gear. She took a great picture with the owner out in front of his shop. How much is that worth? She went to a local pimple of a hill and did drills and some free skiing. She loves drills.
I think skiing 100% on your outside ski is an exercise you can do, but so is skiing 100% on your inside ski. For normal skiing on groomers, 60-40 outside feels about right.
I watched the vid and read most of the comments. I have to agree with the nay-sayers. I've skied since 1967 but only skied a real lot for the past 3 years bc I moved to NM where the skiing is GREAT as opposed to the "East Coast Boilerplate" I used to have to ski on. Getting back to the video - it's geared for skiers trying to go parallel from stem or wedge turns I guess. Otherwise it's mostly incorrect. The correct part was saying you have 2 legs and 2 skis. So 2 is better than 1 in many situations. Why limit yourself to just 1 edge and 1 ski? As someone else said, there are different parts to a turn, with the inside and outside skis having different amounts of pressure. I start the turn on the uphill ski but as soon as the edge starts to bite the downhill ski takes over BUT the uphill ski is still working. This keeps my skis more parallel than if I initiated the turn with the downhill ski and forgot about the uphill one - because then the downhill edge really bites and the uphill edge lags behind, causing a momentary converging of the skis. Not a disaster by any means - but starting the turn with the uphill ski avoids this entirely and my skis stay nice and parallel throughout the turn. You have 2 legs. Well, most of us do - not all of us. But if you DO have 2 legs, use them both. Better balance, better turns, better control. I'm kind of psyched bc I'm going to Santa Fe (my local area) for the next few days and I've been skiing better than I ever have. And another thing, sliding is very important - depends on the terrain - sometimes you gotta slide. Most of the time my turns have a little carve and a little slide - not purely either one. A hockey stop is almost all slide - come on every turn has slightly different requirements. Got to be nimble on your feet - don't fight your skis - let them run and if they want to slide let them.
If you want to suggest loading a ski with your body weight is all you get then 2 skis might work but its more about getting one ski to work really well let that dominate your conscious skiing. You recognize that an extremely shortened inside leg can't carry any real weight and if it does its often for balance or recovery purposes. Putting significant weight on the inside edge does no one any good until a dozen other pieces have lined up. The Inside ski often becomes a crutch or anchor leading to uncompleted skidded turns bad rotation and a complete end of ones learning curve.
This reply for Marc Friedllander post : If you want to suggest loading a ski with your body weight is all you get then 2 skis might work but its more about getting one ski to work really well let that dominate your conscious skiing. You recognize that an extremely shortened inside leg can't carry any real weight and if it does its often for balance or recovery purposes. Putting significant weight on the inside edge does no one any good until a dozen other pieces have lined up. The Inside ski often becomes a crutch or anchor leading to uncompleted skidded turns bad rotation and a complete end of ones learning curve.
@@AlpineMeister I'm really unsure how to interpret "an extremely shortened inside leg" or what that could mean. Most of us have legs of approximately the same length, nor do we have inside or outside legs. Uphill and downhill, maybe. Nor do I get "Putting significant weight on the inside edge does no one any good". What would be the inside edge? I'm not trying to quibble or say your comment is wrong, I just don't really know what you're getting at. Anyway I'm limping right now from a fall at Taus the other day, so I guess I don't know all that much about it.
@@MarcFriedlanderClassicGuitar Marc really when you are standing on a flat your legs are roughly the same length When you are standing on a slope and leaning into that slope one of your legs becomes extremely flexed you might even touch your knee to your chest when you hit the next mogul.
AlpineMeister that may be your style of skiing but the more aggressive line will be downhill and not traversing where you so sideways across the fall line that one leg is bent at the knee much more than the other. Also, skiing moguls vs flats and skiing off piste as vs groomers all require different kinds and styles of skiing.
The question for most skiers unfortunately is not why to give pressure on the outside ski, but how... 😉 However, for beginners it is a nice explanation 👍
50 years ago or now no difference. The foundation of skiing is the outside ski. Once you can balance perfectly on the outside ski, everything else will follow.
Not true. Ski racers (of which I was one) used to use a skating motion and stepping between turns in an attempt to keep the weight on the uphill ski edge during the turn. Watch old videos of Ingemar Stenmark. The technique is reversed from today. When I recently started skiing again after many years my teacher said "wow, old school, all the weight on the uphill ski" after he watched me for the first time. So 50 years ago racers did not keep their weight on the downhill ski.
@@jondavwal13 The skating / stepping motion was used to adjust your line not keep the weight on the uphill ski. Outside ski dominance was if anything even more important when using the old straight skis. You can often tell someone learned to ski well on straight skis - and have not fully adjusted to shape skis - by the way they pick the inside ski up completely off the snow at transition. If you want you can also reference old ski racing books like Warren Witherell's "How the racer's ski" or the Mahre brothers "No Hill Too Fast."
@@tlougee That's wrong but OK, whatever you say. Since I skied on the Swiss ski team I'll just leave it to your superior knowledge. Outside dominance at the bottom of the curve is a new thing in ski racing. And btw, back then it was called the downhill ski, not the outside ski. After the step you pushed off the downhill ski and powered onto the uphill ski and you simulated a skating movement. Now you create greater arcs by getting your power from the weight on the outside ski, both skis firmly on the ground. My current teacher, in an effort to stop me from looking and skiing so "old school", had me pick up my inside ski for the entire duration of the turn since I had too much weigh on the inside ski like racers used to have. But again, what would he know? He's just a teacher in St. Moritz and Arosa who coaches young racers.
Carving with balance on outside ski is only grafting old skiing technique with carving ski. In my country works few year ski school with passion for carving and funcarving. Their philosophy is make carve curve initiation with inner ski and balance 50:50 or more to inner ski. And it really works well! My opinion is that ski must be very well and very carefully balanced inner/outside and forward/backward. Also binding and binding plate must provide optimal flex because only even edge load provide best grip in turn. Fischer flowflex was amazing for that!
carfzc, your 50:50 comment is nonsense and not taught by anyone. If you knew a bit more you would understand why it is impossible. You need a couple of weeks on youtube watching carving videos that have decent explanations. You could start with videos from the Mount Snow Race Academy. The instructor puts videos of his young students with great explanations that are understandable. The basics he covers are good for all skiers.
Good, not perfect. The outside ski doesn't do "all the work" and the inside ski doesn't "follow along for the ride." Early tipping from the inside is essential for an efficient carve, and maintaining shovel pressure with a flexed inside ankle helps both skis track cleanly. Also the outside ski is not always the downhill ski. In a well executed carve both skis will be tipped before turning, so at initiation the outside ski may above the inside.
@@mattweitz7615 I agree with what you said but with both skis rolled up on edge they have much different pressures applied. You are nitting her in your second sentence and with the outside being downhill on turn initiation. It's the first time I have ever seen someone call it that way in that situation. A big nit. Other than the cheap shots I agree with the body of your post. This part: "Early tipping from the inside is essential for an efficient carve, and maintaining shovel pressure with a flexed inside ankle helps both skis track cleanly." Right on the money and a lot more accurate than Harb's nonsense post about the same things.
@@trouts4444 Thanks, I guess, although I'm bemused by your "cheap shots" comment. A couple of times the narrator equates "outside" with "downhill." That's only half right -- the outside ski is the ski tipped to the big toe edge regardless of which phase of the turn you're in. In fact, while I like her encouragement to move pressure to the outside ski, when she says "downhill," she's emphasizing pressure too late in the turn
@@mattweitz7615 OK, agreed. Her language is not so tight but many good explanations interchange outside and downhill. It is an intro video so not precise. Maekla Shifferin does that in a few videos but the reference is clear. It is here also but for a beginner getting into this stuff it may be confusing. It is the same when people are talking through white pass exercises. The uphill ski before the turn gets referred to as the downhill ski often leaving out “new”. You know enough to point out “at initiation the outside ski may above the inside”. Ski language is generally confusing. The inside ski “going along for the ride” or “just comes along” is all over the place and ok but out of place in a more technical video. All in all your start comment of “good, not perfect” was mild and ok.
the video IS meant for our younger athletes, or beginners. they rely far too much on the inside ski as an outrigger, and can't commit to the outside edge
Instead of saying “put all your weight on the outside ski”, couldn’t you just look at it as taking your weight off the inside ski? The right thing happens no matter the mental model to understand it.
While it is simple to talk about "weight", I prefer not to use the term "weight", nor do I use the concept of "pressing" for pressure. Trying to "weight" the ski often results in placing the center of mass in a position that is counter productive to efficient skiing. Pressure is *allowed* by having the center of mass in the correct position so that pressure can OCCUR when the momentum of the mass meets the vector where the skis' direction has changed.
It's not true that you should only use the outside ski edge. If you want to ski fast, you learn to use the inside edge on the downhill ski and the outside edge of the uphill ski.
Its so obvious when looking at the first skier doing clean carves with a loaded inside ski compared with the sequence were the skier lifts the inner ski. I have never seen a skier do a good turn when lifting the inner ski. Rather, the skier gets a very awkward and weak position when trying to lift the inner ski!
We have to ask the coaches if they understand the exercise. The inside ski drill needs to be done at speed so you have enough confidence to trust the outside foot relax the inside knee and perform the drill from one edge only. otherwise the body has no tipping no extension and nothing but a very discouraging crunching and twisting to get around a turn.
true. when we are standing on the hill talking about the skis, the children understand the downhill ski....versus the uphill ski....when we are moving on the snow, they can understand outside ski vs inside ski....so many layers to learning as they get better and better
The outside ski and the cake cutting parts of this video are good. The talk about actively putting pressure on the outside ski is not so good. The force on the outside ski should be a consequence of the edging of the ski. If you actively push the outside ski, you begin throwing your body out of balance. There is no need to "push" the outside leg. The centrifugal force from rolling the ankle and the shape of the ski will naturally put pressure on the outside leg which when retracted will initiate the new turn.
Going along with most of this except that you need a strong extension of the legs when changing edges in order to tip the skis as much as possible if you still feel you haven't tipped the skis enough then role your ankle whatever that means. I'd rather just ask someone to tip their skis forget the rolling, you will never feel it and its counter productive to the turn pressure your trying to offset so lets just stay with ball of the foot tipping a little rotation and we are skiing.
This video has some good tips for intermediates trying to progress to a more carved turn, but to say that all carved turns rely on inside edge (outside ski) only is misleading. Also, stating that all skidded turns are bad, and the pure carve is the only true turn is misleading as well. Expert skiers still use skidded turns in tight/steep situations as the terrain/conditions dictate. The current racing technique is to start the turn with the core (think belly button and hip-steering and Ted Ligety). In a powerful "stacked" position, the skier initiates the turn with the center of mass, then quickly rolls the hips to follow, pointing the inside hip to the inside of the turn. The knees and ankles follow. Starting a turn in this way edges the two skis simultaneously, and provides a more stable, two-footed platform. 50/50 edge pressure is the goal, but I find that 60/40 is more practically obtainable.
You are absolutely right! The modern teaching of wide-state-weight-on-both-skis doesn't work. Also, I would say the unweighted inside ski actually has to tip faster than the outside ski to avoid A-frame or wedge since it is easier to tip outside ski inward than to tip inside ski outward.
yeh, most think they're carving but it's carve skid carve .. that's ain't carving ... as to the inside ski, enough pressure so it doesn't float around on you, if it moving, not enough pressure .. there is no magic number 90/10, 80/20, 99/1 .... ad nauseum, it whatever the circumstances and conditions dictate ... the pressure on the inside ski can change 5 times within 20 feet of a slope.
if all the weight is on the outside leg, why all the high-grade skiers shown here leave behing a pair of tracks of seemingly equal depth? Also from pure ski mechanics to go along parallel trajectories both skis need to be equally edged and bended. To be precise, the internal ski needs to be bended more then the outside one because it carves smaller radius From my experience if the inside leg is not loaded enough it wobbles and attempts to go its own trajectory.
This video was made for intermediate skiers that battle the weight distribution, where and when in the turns. IF we can exaggerate the use of the downhill ski, yes there will still be weight on the inside/uphill ski, but by focusing weight on the outside working ski, with flexion and angulation the ski will carve far better with less skid/slide. Yes there will be two tracks in the snow (it was spring skiing slush) but the outside working ski is where we are trying to get them to feel the most.
We do talk about the other ski being along for the ride. The downhill ski is the working ski, with the uphill ski is not being asked to be taken off the snow, and the transition from one to the other exists. But we are sticking to small concepts in short videos, 1 thing at a time. It's all a progression, first get them on that downhill ski...THEN work on the next step.
It is amazing that when you fully weight/pressure the outside ski and the inside minimally the tracks look the same. The pressures are something around 80-95% on the outside and 20-5% on the inside depending on speed, attack, slope angle, snow condition & etc.
NO!... This isn't true as presented. The outside ski doesn't "do the work". While the outside ski might carry the load through much or most of the turn, it is the INSIDE ski that does the work. Think of the inside ski as the "command module" while the outside ski reacts to what the inside ski tells it to do, much like Master-Blaster in the Mad Max movie. A continuous ACTIVE inside ski sets up the outside and ALLOWS the outside ski to carry the load. The outside ski is passive. Continue reading if you want to know how it all works (in reality)... Let's work backwards... Pressure, isn't so much created as *allowed* to develop. Every turn essentially is *direction change*. When one finishes a turn, the mass has momentum behind it continuing to move toward the old direction. Pressure will build when and where the mass' momentum meets the arc of the direction change which is largely (if not fully) guided by the inside ski. The initial guiding of the inside ski is essentially RELEASING the platform of the old turn on the old outside ski and begins to guide the new turn with that ski (new inside). As the direction change develops, you can then allow the outside ski to carry more of the pressure load BY SOFTENING (flexing the leg of ) THE *INSIDE SKI* while extending the outside. Allowing the center of mass (CoM) to be in the (continuously transition) proper place throughout each turn provides the ability to flex and extend to manage pressure. Edit (one more thing):... IF YOU LOOK AT THE TRACKS OF THE SKIERS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE VIDEO, JUST LOOK AT THE TRACKS. YOU WILL NOTE THAT THE INSIDE SKI'S TRACKS ARE JUST AS DEEP AS THE OUTSIDE'S. IS THAT THE LOOK OF "SKIING ON THE OUTSIDE SKI"??? *To recap, the outside ski really doesn't do the work, but is recipient of the pressure load due to what happens with the INSIDE ski and movement of the CoM so that the outside is set up to RECEIVE the pressure when the time is right for it to do so. The function of the inside ski (IMO) is the most misunderstood element of skiing.*
So when you release the pressure of the outside ski it essentially becomes the new inside ski and you use that to guide the next turn. Is that what you are saying?
Daniel Desjardins not the guy above but yes. You initiate the turn by unweighting the downhill ski (which will naturally weight the uphill ski) and tipping it to your little -toe-edge. Make sure you’re also projecting your hips down the hill. Everything else happens almost automatically.
@GeroLubovnic I agree. It's not so simple as the 'outside ski' doing all the work. Just look at Marcel Hirscher and other racers carving on both skis in slo-motion. Marcel's made amazing recoveries using the inside ski while some get caught 'washing out' on it (over-exuberance). The art is in weight distribution and pressuring carves on two edges to best effect in each turn then transferring to new edges through the 'transition' between turns. Hirscher builds pressure to max then 'pops' weightlessly off the snow through the transition and 'feathers' into new carves. Reilly McGlashan calls them 'nose wheelies' on CZcams. Look at Gustav Thoeni vs. Ingemar Stenmark parallel slalom 1975 which decided World Cup. Thoeni uses 'classic' outside to outside ski, almost jumping or skating between turns while lifting the inside ski as the basic technique. Skis are more shaped now and easier to engage carves. Ultimately, it's more complex than just using the outside ski to carve each turn. The inside tip is more ahead or slightly forward (to some degree) in each turn 'command module' perhaps 'Master-Blaster' (haha) as you say. Enjoy! czcams.com/video/Ycy4gwAhPig/video.html
One should initiate turn through inside ski then press equally both and jump out of outside ski eventually. I do love skiing on just inside ski with outer raised in the air, so called white pass or reuel/royal - it leads to bodycarve :)
Jürgenk curious tactic since you have an interest in AWD high pref cars. Your making a high speed turn where 100 second are important to timing on one wheel drive and flat tires.
Yes it's the sound of the skis on the snow, but for some reason I didn't drop it down enough or at all when editing...and now I can't figure out how to edit it without taking down the video. :( oops!
"sliding is slow and out of control, carving is fast and fantastic" really? Because all I'm trying to do 90% of the time I'm skiing is trying to slow down. Also by this logic, a drifting car is out of control. Sliding feels fantastic too, using the varying angle of your ski to adjust how much the ski washes wide and how much speed it bleeds off. How about we don't hate on either sliding or carving?
Oh it's not a hate on Sliding....we made this video for our racers that are trying to carve quick and get to the next gate faster. Sliding will come into play on steeper pitches and if they start the turn too early. but any day on skis is a good day!
For the most part, what you are saying in this video is wrong. At 1:50 you said "remember sliding is slow and out of control". You then show a clip of someone appearing to do what you call sliding. It is not called sliding. It is called skidding. When you are "sliding" you point the skiis straight down the hill. Skidding doesn't make you go out of control. (How can you be out of control and be slow?) On the contrary skidding is very useful and is used a lot by professionals and intermediate skiers to help them control their speed. Through physics this makes sense because when you skid you are increasing the contact between the base of the ski and the snow, thus increasing kinetic friction. Throughout this video you are "advising" people to carve. But this is also wrong as your video is directed to intermediate skiers. Carving makes a person go very fast because you are decreasing the amount of contact between your ski and the snow. Intermediate skiers are not going to want to carve because it is uncomfortably, not to mention carving is just a cool factor. It looks nice, but it doesn't have any benefits. Controlling the edging and knowing when to edge more and when to edge less is important.
You can intend the word "control" in many ways, and depending on the exact meaning you give it, the original statement is true or false. "Sliding is out of control" is false if you mean the general descent. Is true if you're looking to have better and more predictable turns. It's false if you're skiing on terrain too steep for your level. It's true on really icy ground where sliding makes you unstable and force you to a wider stance. Also the fastest you go, the most control you get from carving opposed to soidding
@@tobyfrancis2943 But the whole video was about staying in control and aimed at "intermediate" skiiers. Do you know intermediate skiier that wants to go as fast as someone that is carving?
I've been skiing for 50 years and I have always used both legs to turn! The only difference is that with parabolic skis, you can apply a lot more pressure on the inside ski than what was possible before (I would say up to 80 pourcent compare to the outside ski) and therefore, have more strengh for turning and go faster!
I think the problem is more complicated. There are some important aspects that are left out in this video. Even if it is made for intermediate skiers. Yes most of the body weight must go to the outside ski, but never all of it! Yes, the inside leg should be active by edging earlier than the outside leg, but Harald, you know that one can make carved turns also only on the outside leg... So how important is this for an intermediate skier? What important is missing in this video? First of all initiation of every turn by body projection to the fall-line. This is done by extending the outside leg of the following turn and flexing the inside leg. Then during the turn balancing on the edges by keeping the extension of the outside leg and the flexion of the inside leg and angulation. There are more basic aspects also of body balance, steering the skies.
There is some inaccurate information on this video. "The outside ski does the work, the inside ski just follows along for the ride..." While more weight and pressure develops on the outside ski, that's not the product of "doing more work" with the outside ski... it's the result of more SMART work done by the inside ski -- lighten the pressure/weight from the inside ski, (this will naturally shift weight to the outside ski, rather than intentionally pushing the inside edge of the outside ski against the snow, which only pushes the skier out of balance) hold/pull the inside ski back for proper fore/aft balance, and tip it actively and deliberately to the little toe edge. The inside ski is MUCH MORE ACTIVE in the turn than the outside ski. It's more accurate (but not completely correct) to say the inside ski and foot does "the work" while the outside ski goes "along for the ride" with proper balance and pressure.
I'd like to redirect both of you to the long leg short leg approach. Overall point is that the short leg must behave or there is only half the ability for good inclination, The short leg cannot physically carry as much weight as the long leg so don't push it. You have about 5 feet of travel on most turns to relax the inside leg and make it short otherwise everything else about this turn is going to turn into a skid.
@@AlpineMeister Please stop talking about weigth and call it load. I agree that "long leg" has the capacity to carry more load and should do so, at the arch of foot, while the "short leg" does the work: edging, carving, steering,.... so , to said "to relax"....mmmm. I ussually make the following annalogy: immagine I give you a sheet of paper, a pencil and ask to draw a have circle on it and you have only a wall to support the paper. you will hold it with one hand and draw with the other... the same goes for skiing: you support the innitial load on the arch of the outside foot, while doing all the work with the inside, etcc....
Justy Olivieri your comment has bothered me for a week. Weight is what you get when you stand on one foot or the other. Load is the sum total of your speed across a hill, gravity and your ability to tip a ski and have it hold an edge. Load changes weight does not. I was just asking a student to stand on one foot or the other with no reference to speed. Nobody is an engineer here keep it simple otherwise your going to spend the rest of your lesson explaining jargon. Not in the ski school manual.
PLEASE SOMEONE HELP ME GET THIS CORRECT..TO DO WHAT SHE IS SAYING IS EASIER SAID THAN DONE TRUST ME BUT I THINK I FIGURED IT OUT. DO YOU HAVE TO SIT BACK A LITTLE AND PRESS ON YOUR HEELS TO TURN BOTH SKIS TOGETHER ? I ALWAYS SEE PEOPLE SKIING WITH THE FRONT PART OF THE SKI OFF THE GROUND BUT INSTRUCTORS ALWAYS SAY TO LEAN FORWARD BUT SIMPLE COMMON SENSE WILL TELL YOU THAT WILL ONLY WORK FOR PIZZA.
We've beaten this video to death and discouraged another author from sharing her views with our children. Then we had a battle between a number of people ..some informed.. about what the World Cup racers do. As much as we would like to be a world champion alpine skier none of us got there. None of us can hit a golf ball as far as ....whoever. The point is that until we line up all of our respective parts ( about 10 body parts and 3 mental keys ) we cannot and should not try and hit a ball as far as Tiger Woods. I feel that I've hit more than 4 million golf balls in my life. I feel that I've probably made several million ski turns ( 2000 turns a day skied 50 + days a year for 40 years. ) I may be a slow learner but I'm just able to utilize maybe 40% of what Harald is asking for. So it doesn't help to explain relativity none of us will get it. We are trying to lead people on a journey via a path of our own understanding and will succeed if the path is absolutely basic without a thousand interpretations. Lets not overthink this. If there were only 10 things to relate to a new skier this would be one of them.
This video is misleading! As specially the part when you say “the inside ski is only going for a ride”. Suggesting that outside ski will solve your clean carved turn. First of all: there are three different phases of a turn. Weight distribution differs in each phase where both skis are actively working. True, at one point weight distribution is very much dominated by the outside ski, but inside ski also has a very important role. Without getting very technical, look at the “A” frame on your demonstrator. If you don’t tilt both of your skis with the same parallel angle combined with adequate weight distribution, than your inside ski and your outside ski is going to carve a different line. Under no circumstances, you would want that!
@@anthony-vp3dq I know I am right mate... cause beside other things I work as a ski instructor and I can tell you for certain that you can interpret things like that but only before the carving skies were invented, not any more and that was +25 years ago 😂🤣😂
I read all the comments and the negative comments are correct. This must be Canadian because the coaching there is 20 years behind. The inside ski is used by the top World Cup racers much more than the outside ski and is more active than the outside ski. You just don't see this, and you don't understand it, so modern up and start researching modern ski racing and skiing. There isn't even a tip in on this video about how to get on the outside ski, so it's primitive instruction at best. And the comments about; "it's for intermediate skiers" is also way off base, you can teach intermediates skiers good movements just like you would experts or racers. I would never have commented or found this video unless someone had not sent it to me in a text. Please don't put out stuff like this; it's very misleading and not helpful for those who want to ski correctly in the modern era!
Please define what you mean by "the inside ski is used...much more than the outside ski." I know where you're going with this, but in your haste to chastise the poster and insult a country, I'm afraid you've failed to educate.
If you can read, you will see, I'm not insulting Canada in the least. I'm a Canadian and love Canada, and a former ski team member, however I am insulting Canadian ski coaching, and it deserves it. This information is so typical for why Canada has no technical skiers skiing successfully on the world Cup. My techniques and coaching are well known, easily found, available and documented, if you can't find them for free, try a computer course.
So how to carve, I'm totally confused. Please give some advices for a noob. If I edge both ski then they begin to go their own way and I loose control.
Harald Harb I know you’re Canadian, and your concepts and teaching have merit, but I’d have to speculate that it’s your consistently acerbic demeanor that limits your reach. The point of this video seems to be moving pressure to the outside ski. It doesn’t pay as much attention to the role of the inside ski as I’d like, but it makes a useful point. I have encountered you flaming instruction all over the internet. You come off more bitter than helpful. And Canada has four young women in the WC slalom top 40. Somebody’s teaching something right up there.
markmd9 if you begin to edge both skis the same amount with functionally tense ankle flexion before you twist (steer, rotate) your skis, they’ll tend to track and arc together through your turn. Gradually increasing your edge/base angles and positioning your body to establish and build pressure on your outside ski through the arc are also important, as are the subtle and powerful movements required to transition from arc to arc. Get to a good ski school and find a PSIA Level 2 or 3 instructor with a good reputation. You can also look for a well trained PMTS instructor, but they are harder to find and tend to teach to a narrower orthodoxy of what constitutes “good” skiing. There’s also a lot of great online content available from Section 8, Darren Turner’s Ski School series, and others.
The inside ski, hip and shoulder lead the outside ski, hip and shoulder just as happens in walking. But the stance (outside or trailing) leg is the balance leg.
Best Shortest Video to understand how Carving. Thank you!
Best, concise, clear and short explanation for once a year skiers!!!!!!
To all the critics - stop judging and take this video on! It is well made, the points are clear and it is aimed at intermediates. Sometimes simple will do just fine. Gerald - Level 4 / Race Coach
Too simple. Telling racers to put all the weight on the downhill ski is simple. It's also misleading. The reason I make this point is that by the time a ski becomes the downhill ski, the racer needs to be getting off it on to the other ski, which is still the inside ski, and still uphill, and still on the outside edge.
This coach is slick and keeps it simple. Too slick and too simple.
Thanks, ! I'm sharing This to my students. Steve Day Squaw Valley Instructor/Coach
LOVE the knife analogy!!!
Thank you this is helpful. I am definitely putting too much emphasis on the inside ski and sliding around too much.
Nice analogy with the 🎂 cake slicing
Lots of negative comments but I think this is very useful. For people yet to carve, this is a simple bit of instruction and once you feel it, you get it. Then you can move onto more complicated things. Also, it is very good footage which helps to get the point across.
Sliding is slow but not out of control. It is a useful skill for all levels of skier to use occasionally.
Sliding is a word the narrator used incorrectly, the proper word is skidding and it is not out of control, no more than carving is.
On ice, sliding/skidding becomes out of control. I think you avoid that by staying on ur edge and carving, am I right?
Many skiers are not aiming to carve turns, that's cool. Very few have the strength, balance. To carve hard and deep takes determination, passion and courage. Plus sharp edges and short ski's that are ridgid. I am happy to say this was an excellent video thank you🤩. I have a good pair of RC4 Fischer if I don't stand hard on the outside leg the ski will kick up violently when it grabs in the end of the turn. All that force accelerates your whole body if you do this well.
Skiing off piste on an all mountain or touring ski definitely spread your weight evenly, and in powder of course!! Skiing in Queenstown, New Zealand. 35 days skied so far.... season ends October 18. Opposite to the northern hemisphere 😜
Good one, very concise.
haha! that's what is happening today! We are all just "icing the cake" and outta control. Seriously, dang good video. Simple, yet explosively immersive with thought!
Thank you . This was made to help our young racers realize the difference between edging and sliding SO many slide their turns and just need that visual to get them on edge.
Best video! Why no one could explain it as simple is in this one😕 thanks!👍
Glad it helped! I'm just trying to explain the goals for our younger athletes in easy terms.
I honestly never knew the difference between Downhill ski and Uphill ski until this video. So, thank you for that!
Remember you always have an inside and an outside ski. during a turn. I prefer to think of my ski relationship in that way.
"Up hill skiing" is when you are down hill skiing all wrong. Thats all.
Very good explanation. Absolutely correct. The challenge though, is how to get and stay on that outside key.
And the challenge after that is when to get off the ski and start the NEXT turn on the NEW outside ski
@@live2ski108 The simplest way is to release the pressure on the current downhill ski. If you do that, the weight has nowhere else to go other than the other foot.
Balance balance balance. Outside ski against the g force of the turn.
Great video , concise and informative!
Glad it was helpful! Often our skiers find it a hard concept to grasp, esp. since the outside ski changes so quickly.
Very well made instructional video! I'm looking forward to seeing others so well made and very interesting imho!
Thank you Luca...We have snow now so are working on more concept videos this season. Have fun on the snow!
Excellent video, many people take ten times as long to say less.
Great knife analogue !
My alpine skills improved by learning telemark. Telemark requires a lot more pressure on the uphill ski. After applying this to my alpine technique, I began desiring to carve the entire width of a slope.
I am no professial skier nor a ski racer, but I heard the video's same advice as a young, developing skier. It didn't feel great, but I got down the mountain. My smiles only came from catching air.
Uphill ski pressure, and learning about "bending" the ski really made me start to whip around each turn. Wish I had learned sooner, but we're all getting a little bit better (hopefully).
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Have "book marked" this one. Thank you
Very good video. It is the best I found on youtube about this subject. Thanks. Are you going to have any new topic soon? Maybe techniques on bumps and moguls?
Our seasons are so short here in Ontario. I hope to make some more soon. But thank you Kenny. I will keep you in mind for bumps and moguls. What level of skier are you?
The cake looks good.!!!
Great video!
Thanks Catherine! Trying to break it down to easier concepts so the athletes can understand it better.
Nice demo for scarved turns . . . that's right scarved (skidding and carving) !
Harsh, but true.
Best ski video ever !
you can carve on inside ski only also and I came here to know the difference why it is faster to give more weight to outside ski... but all I got is a lot of missleading information... you can also slide with angled ski... for example when braking... and also you never use only the outside ski when you want to go fast in a turn...
There are a few negative comments here essentially saying that the instruction in this video is wrong. Whilst I understand why the negative comments are made I think they are unfair. This video is not aimed at advanced skiers or racers it is clearly aimed at more intermediate skiers who skid/slide every turn and are looking to learn how to carve. For those people in that situation this video is good instruction because the first thing intermediate skiers have to work on is getting more of their weight on the outside ski during the turn as well as making sure the outside ski is tilted on its inside edge. Once they improve in this area, which will take some time, then they can begin to think about when and where they transfer the weight as well as beginning to use the inside ski.
So if you are an intermediate skier who skids their turns and wish to begin to learn to carve then this is a good video with good instruction. After all, learning is a progression and one step at a time is what a good progression is all about.
I appreciate your input Furthy Thirtyfour. The target audience is the younger racers who we need to get from sliding their turns to carving them...getting them thinking about the downhill ski and pressuring it. Speaking in analogies they can understand, visualize doing, and then make their skis do the same thing.
In my experience, whenever you talk to skiers of any level about "transferring weight", you have a problem.
The natural inclination when you talk about actively putting weight somewhere is to stand on that leg. And the interpretation of standing on the leg leads to a flattening of the ski - the very opposite of what is desired.
The "weight" (or more accurately, the force) being applied to the outside ski is a consequence of the ski turning. It's not what makes the ski turn.
The same with applying pressure. The pressure is controlled by the amount of edge and the steering action. When an intermediate skier is told to "apply pressure" it's almost meaningless without further explanation.
I see where you are coming from, which is why in the video we talk about icing the cake, or cutting the cake and show the visuals of the edge rolling on and into the hill to carve (OR cut the cake). The racers we are working with have really succeeded with the imagery. It is all a progression and more is to come.
@@RichardHartley65 You have many points wrong in your post. The video is fine for its purpose.
David Kirkpatrick - thanks for your detailed assessment and opinion. 🙂⛷
Great advice thanks -- one question -- should the pressure be away - or down on the outside ski please
@kevinmurphy8644 I'm trying to figure out how to answer your question. I will be making a video to show how to carve soon. Its a rolling of the ankle and adding the pressure to that new outside ski and down into the ski and snow to make it bend. I will try and tag you when I make the next one.
My kind of teacher!
@GeroLubovnik ... Question ... if you are skiing on one ski, the downhill ski and you make a complete turn (and i'm talking long wide turns, least 30-40 metres across the hill) on the one ski, with the inside ski lifted up from the snow - is the inside ski "providing the strength for the outside ski to function". Is there any torque moving up from the inside over the pelvis to the downhill leg? I mean if you have 100% pressure on the downhill ski, none of this 90/10, 80/20 stuff, initiating the turn, making the turn, completing the turn .... is the inside ski "guiding the turn" when there is no inside ski to do that ... how come the mass and momentum move with outside ski when the inside ski is not there to provide support .... So yeh, when you put the inside ski down on the snow, in essence, it is "along for the ride" ... if anything, it is providing balance, not strength.
Try it, takes practice, tho. most people have a hard time skiing on one ski, most fall over as they have improper stance and balance issues, especially as they making the turn. Transition in the middle of the hill, lift up your inside ski for the duration of the turn and on the "new" downhill ski initate, make the turn, finish the turn all on the downhill ski without putting the inside ski onto the snow and once turn completed, in the middle of the hill, transition to the new downhill ski, lift up the new inside ski and make another complete turn on the one ski - downhill ski .... It is ideal to go at least 10-20 metres on the new downhill ski before initiating the turn. There must be ONE track, no washouts if done properly ... Warning, you will get a good speed going, so you must do this on an easy wide hill with no one around - if get into trouble, just put your inside ski back onto the snow ... Once you find your proper body position to do this drill, you will have your body position for when you carve. Just emulate what you do with only one ski and apply it to when you have both skis on the snow. This drill also makes you "wait" for the turn to happen (cuz only on one ski, if you try to force the turn, you will fall over, or washout), which i find most people don't do on two skis, they always try to force or rush the turn which causes them to, what i call - washout ... so most people i see do 3 stages to what they think is a carved turn. 1.iniating turn = carving ... 2. ... making the actual turn = washout 3. finishing the turn = carving .... Sorry, but that ain't carving, the whole turn must be two distinct tracks, you should be able to distinguish your two tracks from the chairlift and see no washouts, just two solid tracks making S or C turns, otherwise you are just railroading .... on one ski, if proper balance, stance and edging/pressure control, there is no possibility of #2. So that, when you put the inside ski down, it does somewhat follows along for the ride. Only thing i say bout the inside ski, no magic number 90/10, 80/20, as long as inside ski not "floating around" or "wobbling", that's all the pressure you need on the inside.... in high speed carving/turning and i emphasis high speed (cause i very rarely see anyone doing it, they're going fast and they think they're carving/turning, but they're not), the inside ski does play a role in powering the turn but i dont see it as ... "provides strength for the outside ski to function." The outside ski should already be functioning to its maximum.
As to rotational torque, upper body should be perfectly quiet, so no need for upper body "initiating" turns which causes rotational torque ... On short turns, there will be more rotation of the legs/hips going underneath the upper body, but ultimately your upper body and arms should be as quiet as a mouse, only flicks of the wrists to intiate timimg (keep in mind that portions of the upper body are always moving to aid balancing forces, but you the skier do not want to cause any unnecessary movement that will knock oneself off balance). If one is steering 100%, it has to be done by the outside leg. If you are tipping the inside to initiate the turn, in my opinion, you are interjecting a totally unnecessary step into the equation. But hey, everyone can ski anyway they want, no one is right, no one is wrong, no matter how loud one protests. Whether efficient or not is the question.
Where do you ski? Are you in the US?
@@davidn.2555 i live in ontario canada
@@tinyskier6250 Maybe one day you'll teach me because you seem to have experience
Paragraph One. Yes, the inside or previous downhill ski is there just because you can't put it anywhere else. It does not guide or control the turn. As you said, it can help you with your balance but can't control the turn in any way. Think about this when you want to start a new turn. You are standing on the pedals of a bicycle. Get off your right pedal, get off your left pedal. What would happen if you didn't remove all your weight from one pedal? The other pedal wouldn't be able to function.
Paragraph Two. Whether you are carving or just doing sliding parallel turns, there has to be a change of weight from your downhill to your uphill foot to get the turn started. You are balanced on your downhill arch as you complete a turn. When you want to start a new turn, you face and lean down the hill as you get off your downhill foot. You are no longer balanced so you begin to fall down the hill. That is what changes the leg angle which makes the uphill leg lay over and that uphill ski get onto the arch or inside edge. Now you just balance on it and let that uphill ski make the turn.
Paragraph Three. For slalom turns that upper body quietness is correct. For GS turns, which 90% of skiers make, you allow your upper body to Follow the direction of the turn but when you want to start new turn, you have to realign your upper body to begin facing down the hill as you get off your downhill foot. Your thinking is in the right direction but I disagree with the right and wrong part. Everyone needs to learn what skiing really is and at least understand what to do even if they haven't perfected it. If they don't, they will have a lot of problems with controlling their speed and stopping. To do either, you have to position your upper body and adjust your weight correctly or the skis won't be able to respond the way you want them to. After you know how to ski, then you can do whatever you want. Kind of like mastering driving a car in all conditions before you try to Race one.
I’m learning how to alpine race and realize I have a problem of keeping my poles low. How high should I be keeping them at all times?
Hi @opgamer9296 the normal rule of Keep your hands where you can see them is a good start. as a coach we never coach to the hands unless the hands are ruining what is happening with the skis. So keep them upfront and relaxed where you can see them and poleplant, but work from the feet up...Those are what is going to get you down the hill quicker. Only worry about your hands if they are throwing you OUT of balance.
Simple is good but needs more about the inside ski.
People sometimes want to criticize anything that doesn't fit into the one tiny view point that they identify with. The way I see it, a variety of methods are "right"... or that there is no "right and wrong". We're sliding around on sticks. People can do it however they want and this video will help the people that it works for.
exactly ... but if you want to do it efficiently, carving is the way to go. And no, you can't carve everywhere so sometimes you have to do it the old ways... so it's best to be an all around skier.
ok i am going skiing now just gotta put on my climbing skins and hike for a hour and a half or so then take a nice run at 25-30 degrees pitch with about 18 inches of recent powder snow at -10 c and 1550 vertical ft drop of widely spaced mature Douglas fir trees in British Columbia, ha ,ha love it.........secret powder stash!!
I wish it is easy as you're saying it. I tried skiing for the first time in January and I'm doing pizza and French fries. This time I'm willing to completely learn how to parallel ski.
Pizza and French fries are a good start. Parallel skiing will come when you are more confident to stay on and over that downhill ski. Maybe my next one should be on balance and where your weight should be and what to avoid.
How can I get the confidence to do this while there is a cliff or a tree next to me while I am carving at high speed? I feel I will crash and die
That's it in a nutshell!
Try doing that off piste and you’ll just fall over. It took me years to unlearn the weight on the downhill ski mantra. Now I always aim for as even weighting on both skis as possible, and it works for virtually all types of snow & slope & speeds.
Oh heck ya. Off piste it is different beast that our groomers and race courses. snow conditions dictate ski weighting ratios and even fore and aft weighting.
great video! what should the inside ski do? keep on the snow or rise and follow?
its on the snow with far less weight on it, until the transition from one turn to the other, when the weight then shift to the new outside ski and IT begins its turn to carve its turn
Good video
Glad you enjoyed it Tom
"The outside ski does the work. The inside ski is just along for the ride"... WRONG!!!!! The inside ski is what provides the strength for the outside ski to function. Here's how it really works... The inside ski, either edging (for carving) or steering (for skidding or scarving), if utilized properly gets resistance from the snow, which generates torque. The torque moves up the inside leg, across the pelvis and down the outside leg to the outside ski. Don't believe me? Just use your inside ski to turn and try to keep your upper body separated and facing downhill. In that scenario, you have to generate an opposing force for your body to remain facing downhill. That will usually be upper body rotation. While countering can be done solely on the outside ski, it has to be done first, with the outside remaining in the old turn for a moment while the body "winds up" to create turning force for the outside ski. In contrast, if you use your inside ski as your ACTIVE ski, it in itself generates the opposing force that you simply ski into separation. Now "pressure"... an entirely different thing. Yes, the downhill ski will take most of the pressure, but will do so passively. Why? Because the body's mass has momentum behind it and the direction change will increase the pressure. Entering into a turn the exit of the previous turn creates the force for the pressure until the skis begin to change direction, combined with leg extension. If you look at most professionals, including the one in the video ski, you'll see that even if it's a nanosecond, the inside ski will lead the movement patterns. You'll notice that in the turns of this demonstrator, the inside ski actually begins carving a hair before the outside. I cannot tell you how many people get stuck as terminal intermediates believing the outside ski does all the work. See Deb Armstrong's video: czcams.com/video/h3FpHJbMrO0/video.html
GeroLubovnik Great comment though it may be difficult for the lay person to understand without visual reinforcement. Deb Armstrong’s videos are an excellent resource. As a professional instructor for over 35 years I understand what you’re saying and completely agree. Both inside and outside ski (and legs) need to work together to create symmetry and proper alignment. Pressure happens naturally through the physics of angular momentum created in the turn.
@@blackestjake Yeah... 1000 words is worth a picture. That's why you cannot beat private lessons. I'll meet your 35 years and see you a couple more :). The problem with focusing on the outside ski is that it can too often morph (or actually regress) into rotary pushoff- or worse, total upper body rotation. The inside ski stabilizes everything and allows pressure transfer to occur naturally any place within the turn via lateral body position and flexion/extension of the legs withing the turn shape. Since you mentioned Deb Armstrong, she has a video "Inside leg activity for the performance skier". Essentially, variations on the Whitepass turn :). I use it all the time to break bad habits, starting with almost a fully Whitepass, then blending it back, having the students begin pressuring the outside ski (with body position and extension) earlier and earlier into the turn until they have a traditional simultaneous parallel turn. Works like a charm. No dragging the inside like a dead anchor. Working the outside ski first invites all sorts of bad habits to creep in. I don't even teach that at the beginner level.
@@GeroLubovnik The rotational torque in turns largely comes from counteraction of the upper body, not the inside ski while carving. Skiing can fundamentally be understood as gravity agaisnt the slope pushing off on the ski, which pushes off against the heel through the hip. The difficulty in carving is setting up the upper body position in anticipation of taking that load, so that the push from the heel then positions the upper body for the next turn/push. The real purpose of the inside leg/ski during a turn is to set up for your upper body mass/load to move onto that new outside hip for said next pushoff. That's why it should move/rotate to point more uphill to shorten turns, etc, so that when you move onto it it's going in the direction you desire.
@@blackestjake There are a lot of ways to communicate proper mechanics. I got you beat in terms of years teaching skiing :). BTW... Love Deb Armstrong's videos. I got to ski a couple runs with her about 20 years ago. Was good fun.
@GeroLubovnik Seeing as you watch Deb's videos, watch this one of hers... czcams.com/video/_oRiYWM-Epw/video.html and look at 1:48 time stamp and 2:50 You have to commit to the new downhill ski Or the new Outside ski whatever verbage ski lingo you ascribe to. the video was made for U10 racers who first of all don't know their inside ski from their outside ski half the time, and the tend to not use their ankle flexion or knees to get the edge rolling on. when you tell kids to do it ALL then we hope that we will at least get them to do it 80%...kids can't work in ratios you tell them 90%-10% or 80%-20% weight distribution, that means nothing. we are just trying to get some change and explain it in a fun way.
I cant risk doing more this ,no bones unbroken left in my body .
carving correctly is the most efficient way of skiing there is I"ve seen so far ... and the least physically demanding as you are no longer "forcing" the turn, it just comes naturally, my father who is 89 can't walk 20 yards but he swears he still skiing cuz he is carving ... and yes he slides a bit at the apex of the arc (to slow his speed down) but he's 89.
Pizza, french fries...
This looks like Blue Mountain in Ontario Canada. Could it be?
Lucky Goose yes it is! It was thick mushy spring skiing a few years ago
Yes
This is excellent instruction.....30 years ago. Now, I think you will want to initiate the turn with the inside ski and use it as your steering ski, but the outside ski will take a good percentage of the weight. I learned that telemarking, but now it's the way to alpine ski also. The tracks don't lie!
Grizz Kid
Yeah. 30 years ago I agree, but today it's a whole different story.
But nice way to learn before you get into fast skiing. 😀
Grizz Kid, they don't lie but they mislead as they have done to you. The tracks generally seem similar when the outside ski is heavily weighted/pressured and the inside barely.
Good video, will definitely get some jerry's to start ski racing. Which is the point of this video by the way. The comments are awesome and have lots of knowledge but don't adress the real target market. Most of the people watching this video would be racing fans and not passionate ski racers. No offence to the poster. The high level athlete called the video out within seconds but the fans are interested and might actually start racing or put their kids into it. Awesome video and loving the Blue Mountain slopes...easy and makes for great demos.
Wait is this Blue Mountain? :)
Yes indeed I have been on the chairlift at 1:37
Yes it was shot at Blue in 2017
As others have pointed out, the tracks in your video demonstrate that you are mistaken. The trench left in the soft snow by the inside ski is nearly as deep as the one from the outside ski, indicating that the weighting is nearly equal. (as it should be in soft snow.) Only If the snow were East Coast Boilerplate should 90% of the weighting be on the outside ski in order to help the edge penetrate the ice with higher specific point loading.
This is a common example of repeating old truisms (bend your knees ten dollars pleeze) without examining what is really happening by examining the evidence.
As a matter of fact, top world cup skiers like Marcel Hircher are actually momentarily skiing on the inside ski during transition because it enables them to develop earlier edge angles and thus more powerful turn initiation.
Teaching intermediate skiers to skid/slide every turn instead of learning the fundamentals of edging to control their turns does them no favors, and may send them permanently back to a warm lodge or a sandy beach. +
You make many valid points but the video is targeted toward an intermediate audience even though that is not stated.
Richard, I'm sorry, I can't see where we are teaching skiers "to ski/slide every turn" we are doing the opposite...in the video we show how if they are flat skied they will slide and if they edge they will carve....it even shows it in the video...flat skis "ice the cake" and rolling the "knife" or ski edge will cut the cake. and Yes there is a point where we roll the downhill ski OFF Edge and the Uphill ski rolls on to become the downhill ski, yet we first have to get them edging the downhill ski and this is the point our young racers are at (some are still trying to remember which ski is doing what and when) we have to keep the videos short and sweet, and work on one thing at a time instead of blasting them with information from a "firehose"...small steps and big rewards. We are just into our ski season now, and the progress is coming, and more videos will follow with more of the stages. Hope you are enjoying your ski season, and or sandy beach whichever you prefer. We either have boiler plate, or slushy thick spring snow where we are.
@@live2ski108 It must be frustrating to get such lame comments from people that don't get the purpose of the video and even comment on things not in the video.
I'm good with T here. Your perception about what Marcel Hircher does is completely out of the picture. You have to train to extend tip, trust, 90% of the physical activity of starting a new turn before the relatively minor movements from the inside of the body ( legs )inside foot are able to really participate in and help the speed of a turn. Who turned on the tap of trying to teach children perfect anything. One of the earlier videos had a number of children describing what got them carving. Every one different feeling different keys ...same result because the physics are the same.
As a PSIA Level III and USSA Race Coach I can say this guy is correct. Even though it's geared towards intermediates learning to carve, the statement of all weight is on the outside ski is totally incorrect. This must have been done by a level 2 who is is evaluating a level 3 inst. skiing. Pressure on the outside ski will increase with speed and edge angle but there will always be some pressure on he inside ski or it will skid/smear. Only under the most demanding situations will there be 100% outside ski weighting. Look at video of Mikeala skiing Super G and you will see both skis carving which means the uphill ski has some weight on it.Same with SL, GS and downhill
deve ser muito legal esquiar
Realmente é legal esquiar ... para mim parece liberdade enquanto você desce a colina. e torna a estação de inverno muito mais divertida aqui no Canadá!
I just can't believe you have only one video in your Channel :(
My apologies, I am working to do more. It has been a few wacky years and now with Covid ockdown we have JUST gotten back on the slopes. If there is something you want to learn or understand specifically let me know and I will aim to do that soonest.
So MANY haters! So much dogma!
Please!, everyone stand back and take what is presented for its' best points and discard the rest.
What is described is best learned by what you CAN do.
Watching, and learning through practice, is the best way.
An excellent coach is worth it, too, but time on the skis is the secret.
The problem with that is, people that can recognize the good parts don't need the video. And for all the rest, this is just plain wrong. They're teaching things that will have to be "unlearned".
Carving also takes a lot more leg strength. Something to note.
You can be and andvanced skier with not much leg strength but lots of knowledge about technique. When carving properly the strength requirement is not high.
@@trouts4444 agreed, it is technique, no magic here. It is the ability to utilize the ski to it's maximum potential and strength really has nothing to do with it ... it's technique
@@tinyskier6250 The happy camper is one that has both. I love watching Mikeala in slow motion. She is very fit but no animal.
@@trouts4444Mikaela has the best mechanics of any skier on earth, ever. She beats bigger stronger women because of this. Her secret is in how she uses her hips / pelvic bone tilt, and how much work she puts in mastering the basics.
@@shooter7a She came to Massachusetts with her mother to visit her grandmother. She went to a local ski shop and they outfitter her with gear. She took a great picture with the owner out in front of his shop. How much is that worth? She went to a local pimple of a hill and did drills and some free skiing. She loves drills.
I think skiing 100% on your outside ski is an exercise you can do, but so is skiing 100% on your inside ski. For normal skiing on groomers, 60-40 outside feels about right.
I watched the vid and read most of the comments. I have to agree with the nay-sayers. I've skied since 1967 but only skied a real lot for the past 3 years bc I moved to NM where the skiing is GREAT as opposed to the "East Coast Boilerplate" I used to have to ski on. Getting back to the video - it's geared for skiers trying to go parallel from stem or wedge turns I guess. Otherwise it's mostly incorrect. The correct part was saying you have 2 legs and 2 skis. So 2 is better than 1 in many situations. Why limit yourself to just 1 edge and 1 ski? As someone else said, there are different parts to a turn, with the inside and outside skis having different amounts of pressure. I start the turn on the uphill ski but as soon as the edge starts to bite the downhill ski takes over BUT the uphill ski is still working. This keeps my skis more parallel than if I initiated the turn with the downhill ski and forgot about the uphill one - because then the downhill edge really bites and the uphill edge lags behind, causing a momentary converging of the skis. Not a disaster by any means - but starting the turn with the uphill ski avoids this entirely and my skis stay nice and parallel throughout the turn. You have 2 legs. Well, most of us do - not all of us. But if you DO have 2 legs, use them both. Better balance, better turns, better control. I'm kind of psyched bc I'm going to Santa Fe (my local area) for the next few days and I've been skiing better than I ever have. And another thing, sliding is very important - depends on the terrain - sometimes you gotta slide. Most of the time my turns have a little carve and a little slide - not purely either one. A hockey stop is almost all slide - come on every turn has slightly different requirements. Got to be nimble on your feet - don't fight your skis - let them run and if they want to slide let them.
If you want to suggest loading a ski with your body weight is all you get then 2 skis might work but its more about getting one ski to work really well let that dominate your conscious skiing. You recognize that an extremely shortened inside leg can't carry any real weight and if it does its often for balance or recovery purposes. Putting significant weight on the inside edge does no one any good until a dozen other pieces have lined up. The Inside ski often becomes a crutch or anchor leading to uncompleted skidded turns bad rotation and a complete end of ones learning curve.
This reply for Marc Friedllander post : If you want to suggest loading a ski with your body weight is all you get then 2 skis might work but its more about getting one ski to work really well let that dominate your conscious skiing. You recognize that an extremely shortened inside leg can't carry any real weight and if it does its often for balance or recovery purposes. Putting significant weight on the inside edge does no one any good until a dozen other pieces have lined up. The Inside ski often becomes a crutch or anchor leading to uncompleted skidded turns bad rotation and a complete end of ones learning curve.
@@AlpineMeister I'm really unsure how to interpret "an extremely shortened inside leg" or what that could mean. Most of us have legs of approximately the same length, nor do we have inside or outside legs. Uphill and downhill, maybe. Nor do I get "Putting significant weight on the inside edge does no one any good". What would be the inside edge? I'm not trying to quibble or say your comment is wrong, I just don't really know what you're getting at.
Anyway I'm limping right now from a fall at Taus the other day, so I guess I don't know all that much about it.
@@MarcFriedlanderClassicGuitar Marc really when you are standing on a flat your legs are roughly the same length When you are standing on a slope and leaning into that slope one of your legs becomes extremely flexed you might even touch your knee to your chest when you hit the next mogul.
AlpineMeister that may be your style of skiing but the more aggressive line will be downhill and not traversing where you so sideways across the fall line that one leg is bent at the knee much more than the other. Also, skiing moguls vs flats and skiing off piste as vs groomers all require different kinds and styles of skiing.
Wrong two legs means two ski ,i with majority of pressure on outside sli , ski on suspension not lock on pression !
Uphill ski is weighted and does turn.
sliding is slow
carving is fast
The question for most skiers unfortunately is not why to give pressure on the outside ski, but how... 😉 However, for beginners it is a nice explanation 👍
50 years ago or now no difference. The foundation of skiing is the outside ski. Once you can balance perfectly on the outside ski, everything else will follow.
Not true. Ski racers (of which I was one) used to use a skating motion and stepping between turns in an attempt to keep the weight on the uphill ski edge during the turn. Watch old videos of Ingemar Stenmark. The technique is reversed from today. When I recently started skiing again after many years my teacher said "wow, old school, all the weight on the uphill ski" after he watched me for the first time. So 50 years ago racers did not keep their weight on the downhill ski.
@@jondavwal13 The skating / stepping motion was used to adjust your line not keep the weight on the uphill ski. Outside ski dominance was if anything even more important when using the old straight skis. You can often tell someone learned to ski well on straight skis - and have not fully adjusted to shape skis - by the way they pick the inside ski up completely off the snow at transition. If you want you can also reference old ski racing books like Warren Witherell's "How the racer's ski" or the Mahre brothers "No Hill Too Fast."
@@tlougee That's wrong but OK, whatever you say. Since I skied on the Swiss ski team I'll just leave it to your superior knowledge. Outside dominance at the bottom of the curve is a new thing in ski racing. And btw, back then it was called the downhill ski, not the outside ski. After the step you pushed off the downhill ski and powered onto the uphill ski and you simulated a skating movement. Now you create greater arcs by getting your power from the weight on the outside ski, both skis firmly on the ground. My current teacher, in an effort to stop me from looking and skiing so "old school", had me pick up my inside ski for the entire duration of the turn since I had too much weigh on the inside ski like racers used to have. But again, what would he know? He's just a teacher in St. Moritz and Arosa who coaches young racers.
@@jondavwal13 You seem to be more focused on believing you are right than thinking about things so I will leave you to it.
i'm baking my cake
but are you icing the cake? or cutting it? :D
Carving with balance on outside ski is only grafting old skiing technique with carving ski.
In my country works few year ski school with passion for carving and funcarving. Their philosophy is make carve curve initiation with inner ski and balance 50:50 or more to inner ski. And it really works well!
My opinion is that ski must be very well and very carefully balanced inner/outside and forward/backward. Also binding and binding plate must provide optimal flex because only even edge load provide best grip in turn. Fischer flowflex was amazing for that!
carfzc, your 50:50 comment is nonsense and not taught by anyone. If you knew a bit more you would understand why it is impossible. You need a couple of weeks on youtube watching carving videos that have decent explanations. You could start with videos from the Mount Snow Race Academy. The instructor puts videos of his young students with great explanations that are understandable. The basics he covers are good for all skiers.
yeah yeah...
Excellent video. All the negative comments are from people who have never raced. This video explains high performance skiing perfectly.
Good, not perfect. The outside ski doesn't do "all the work" and the inside ski doesn't "follow along for the ride." Early tipping from the inside is essential for an efficient carve, and maintaining shovel pressure with a flexed inside ankle helps both skis track cleanly. Also the outside ski is not always the downhill ski. In a well executed carve both skis will be tipped before turning, so at initiation the outside ski may above the inside.
And you've raced?
@@mattweitz7615 I agree with what you said but with both skis rolled up on edge they have much different pressures applied. You are nitting her in your second sentence and with the outside being downhill on turn initiation. It's the first time I have ever seen someone call it that way in that situation. A big nit. Other than the cheap shots I agree with the body of your post.
This part:
"Early tipping from the inside is essential for an efficient carve, and maintaining shovel pressure with a flexed inside ankle helps both skis track cleanly."
Right on the money and a lot more accurate than Harb's nonsense post about the same things.
@@trouts4444 Thanks, I guess, although I'm bemused by your "cheap shots" comment. A couple of times the narrator equates "outside" with "downhill." That's only half right -- the outside ski is the ski tipped to the big toe edge regardless of which phase of the turn you're in. In fact, while I like her encouragement to move pressure to the outside ski, when she says "downhill," she's emphasizing pressure too late in the turn
@@mattweitz7615 OK, agreed. Her language is not so tight but many good explanations interchange outside and downhill. It is an intro video so not precise. Maekla Shifferin does that in a few videos but the reference is clear. It is here also but for a beginner getting into this stuff it may be confusing. It is the same when people are talking through white pass exercises. The uphill ski before the turn gets referred to as the downhill ski often leaving out “new”. You know enough to point out “at initiation the outside ski may above the inside”.
Ski language is generally confusing. The inside ski “going along for the ride” or “just comes along” is all over the place and ok but out of place in a more technical video.
All in all your start comment of “good, not perfect” was mild and ok.
That is obviously for beginners. Inside ski matters too.
the video IS meant for our younger athletes, or beginners. they rely far too much on the inside ski as an outrigger, and can't commit to the outside edge
Instead of saying “put all your weight on the outside ski”, couldn’t you just look at it as taking your weight off the inside ski? The right thing happens no matter the mental model to understand it.
While it is simple to talk about "weight", I prefer not to use the term "weight", nor do I use the concept of "pressing" for pressure. Trying to "weight" the ski often results in placing the center of mass in a position that is counter productive to efficient skiing. Pressure is *allowed* by having the center of mass in the correct position so that pressure can OCCUR when the momentum of the mass meets the vector where the skis' direction has changed.
It's not true that you should only use the outside ski edge. If you want to ski fast, you learn to use the inside edge on the downhill ski and the outside edge of the uphill ski.
Just say you are sorry for saying that at 39 sec.
Its so obvious when looking at the first skier doing clean carves with a loaded inside ski compared with the sequence were the skier lifts the inner ski. I have never seen a skier do a good turn when lifting the inner ski. Rather, the skier gets a very awkward and weak position when trying to lift the inner ski!
We have to ask the coaches if they understand the exercise. The inside ski drill needs to be done at speed so you have enough confidence to trust the outside foot relax the inside knee and perform the drill from one edge only. otherwise the body has no tipping no extension and nothing but a very discouraging crunching and twisting to get around a turn.
Changing back-and-forth between inside ski and down hill ski is confusing to many. Downhill ski is so 1980s whereas outside ski is current.
true. when we are standing on the hill talking about the skis, the children understand the downhill ski....versus the uphill ski....when we are moving on the snow, they can understand outside ski vs inside ski....so many layers to learning as they get better and better
Nothing overwhelming here. Obviously there needs to be weight on the downhill/stance ski.
The outside ski and the cake cutting parts of this video are good. The talk about actively putting pressure on the outside ski is not so good. The force on the outside ski should be a consequence of the edging of the ski. If you actively push the outside ski, you begin throwing your body out of balance. There is no need to "push" the outside leg. The centrifugal force from rolling the ankle and the shape of the ski will naturally put pressure on the outside leg which when retracted will initiate the new turn.
Going along with most of this except that you need a strong extension of the legs when changing edges in order to tip the skis as much as possible if you still feel you haven't tipped the skis enough then role your ankle whatever that means. I'd rather just ask someone to tip their skis forget the rolling, you will never feel it and its counter productive to the turn pressure your trying to offset so lets just stay with ball of the foot tipping a little rotation and we are skiing.
This video has some good tips for intermediates trying to progress to a more carved turn, but to say that all carved turns rely on inside edge (outside ski) only is misleading. Also, stating that all skidded turns are bad, and the pure carve is the only true turn is misleading as well. Expert skiers still use skidded turns in tight/steep situations as the terrain/conditions dictate.
The current racing technique is to start the turn with the core (think belly button and hip-steering and Ted Ligety). In a powerful "stacked" position, the skier initiates the turn with the center of mass, then quickly rolls the hips to follow, pointing the inside hip to the inside of the turn. The knees and ankles follow. Starting a turn in this way edges the two skis simultaneously, and provides a more stable, two-footed platform. 50/50 edge pressure is the goal, but I find that 60/40 is more practically obtainable.
You are absolutely right! The modern teaching of wide-state-weight-on-both-skis doesn't work. Also, I would say the unweighted inside ski actually has to tip faster than the outside ski to avoid A-frame or wedge since it is easier to tip outside ski inward than to tip inside ski outward.
Funny how I see so many expert skiers in CZcams comment section but so many shit skiers when I go onto the mountain? Where are the CZcams ‘experts’??
yeh, most think they're carving but it's carve skid carve .. that's ain't carving ... as to the inside ski, enough pressure so it doesn't float around on you, if it moving, not enough pressure .. there is no magic number 90/10, 80/20, 99/1 .... ad nauseum, it whatever the circumstances and conditions dictate ... the pressure on the inside ski can change 5 times within 20 feet of a slope.
if all the weight is on the outside leg, why all the high-grade skiers shown here leave behing a pair of tracks of seemingly equal depth? Also from pure ski mechanics to go along parallel trajectories both skis need to be equally edged and bended. To be precise, the internal ski needs to be bended more then the outside one because it carves smaller radius
From my experience if the inside leg is not loaded enough it wobbles and attempts to go its own trajectory.
This video was made for intermediate skiers that battle the weight distribution, where and when in the turns. IF we can exaggerate the use of the downhill ski, yes there will still be weight on the inside/uphill ski, but by focusing weight on the outside working ski, with flexion and angulation the ski will carve far better with less skid/slide. Yes there will be two tracks in the snow (it was spring skiing slush) but the outside working ski is where we are trying to get them to feel the most.
and yet in the skiers shown, most leave significant inside ski tracks - hmm...
We do talk about the other ski being along for the ride. The downhill ski is the working ski, with the uphill ski is not being asked to be taken off the snow, and the transition from one to the other exists. But we are sticking to small concepts in short videos, 1 thing at a time. It's all a progression, first get them on that downhill ski...THEN work on the next step.
It is amazing that when you fully weight/pressure the outside ski and the inside minimally the tracks look the same. The pressures are something around 80-95% on the outside and 20-5% on the inside depending on speed, attack, slope angle, snow condition & etc.
Congrats. Much better advice than the f... 70% 30%
NO!... This isn't true as presented. The outside ski doesn't "do the work". While the outside ski might carry the load through much or most of the turn, it is the INSIDE ski that does the work. Think of the inside ski as the "command module" while the outside ski reacts to what the inside ski tells it to do, much like Master-Blaster in the Mad Max movie. A continuous ACTIVE inside ski sets up the outside and ALLOWS the outside ski to carry the load. The outside ski is passive. Continue reading if you want to know how it all works (in reality)...
Let's work backwards... Pressure, isn't so much created as *allowed* to develop. Every turn essentially is *direction change*. When one finishes a turn, the mass has momentum behind it continuing to move toward the old direction. Pressure will build when and where the mass' momentum meets the arc of the direction change which is largely (if not fully) guided by the inside ski. The initial guiding of the inside ski is essentially RELEASING the platform of the old turn on the old outside ski and begins to guide the new turn with that ski (new inside). As the direction change develops, you can then allow the outside ski to carry more of the pressure load BY SOFTENING (flexing the leg of ) THE *INSIDE SKI* while extending the outside. Allowing the center of mass (CoM) to be in the (continuously transition) proper place throughout each turn provides the ability to flex and extend to manage pressure.
Edit (one more thing):... IF YOU LOOK AT THE TRACKS OF THE SKIERS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE VIDEO, JUST LOOK AT THE TRACKS. YOU WILL NOTE THAT THE INSIDE SKI'S TRACKS ARE JUST AS DEEP AS THE OUTSIDE'S. IS THAT THE LOOK OF "SKIING ON THE OUTSIDE SKI"???
*To recap, the outside ski really doesn't do the work, but is recipient of the pressure load due to what happens with the INSIDE ski and movement of the CoM so that the outside is set up to RECEIVE the pressure when the time is right for it to do so. The function of the inside ski (IMO) is the most misunderstood element of skiing.*
So when you release the pressure of the outside ski it essentially becomes the new inside ski and you use that to guide the next turn. Is that what you are saying?
Daniel Desjardins not the guy above but yes. You initiate the turn by unweighting the downhill ski (which will naturally weight the uphill ski) and tipping it to your little -toe-edge. Make sure you’re also projecting your hips down the hill. Everything else happens almost automatically.
@GeroLubovnic I agree.
It's not so simple as the 'outside ski' doing all the work. Just look at Marcel Hirscher and other racers carving on both skis in slo-motion. Marcel's made amazing recoveries using the inside ski while some get caught 'washing out' on it (over-exuberance). The art is in weight distribution and pressuring carves on two edges to best effect in each turn then transferring to new edges through the 'transition' between turns. Hirscher builds pressure to max then 'pops' weightlessly off the snow through the transition and 'feathers' into new carves. Reilly McGlashan calls them 'nose wheelies' on CZcams.
Look at Gustav Thoeni vs. Ingemar Stenmark parallel slalom 1975 which decided World Cup. Thoeni uses 'classic' outside to outside ski, almost jumping or skating between turns while lifting the inside ski as the basic technique. Skis are more shaped now and easier to engage carves. Ultimately, it's more complex than just using the outside ski to carve each turn. The inside tip is more ahead or slightly forward (to some degree) in each turn 'command module' perhaps 'Master-Blaster' (haha) as you say.
Enjoy!
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This is the secret: the key is in the hips!.... Dont think to much about knife or ski carv only learn how to move your axe hips
One should initiate turn through inside ski then press equally both and jump out of outside ski eventually. I do love skiing on just inside ski with outer raised in the air, so called white pass or reuel/royal - it leads to bodycarve :)
Jürgenk curious tactic since you have an interest in AWD high pref cars. Your making a high speed turn where 100 second are important to timing on one wheel drive and flat tires.
1:52 anyone else hear that?
Yes it's the sound of the skis on the snow, but for some reason I didn't drop it down enough or at all when editing...and now I can't figure out how to edit it without taking down the video. :( oops!
"sliding is slow and out of control, carving is fast and fantastic" really? Because all I'm trying to do 90% of the time I'm skiing is trying to slow down. Also by this logic, a drifting car is out of control. Sliding feels fantastic too, using the varying angle of your ski to adjust how much the ski washes wide and how much speed it bleeds off. How about we don't hate on either sliding or carving?
Oh it's not a hate on Sliding....we made this video for our racers that are trying to carve quick and get to the next gate faster. Sliding will come into play on steeper pitches and if they start the turn too early. but any day on skis is a good day!
For the most part, what you are saying in this video is wrong. At 1:50 you said "remember sliding is slow and out of control". You then show a clip of someone appearing to do what you call sliding. It is not called sliding. It is called skidding. When you are "sliding" you point the skiis straight down the hill. Skidding doesn't make you go out of control. (How can you be out of control and be slow?) On the contrary skidding is very useful and is used a lot by professionals and intermediate skiers to help them control their speed. Through physics this makes sense because when you skid you are increasing the contact between the base of the ski and the snow, thus increasing kinetic friction. Throughout this video you are "advising" people to carve. But this is also wrong as your video is directed to intermediate skiers. Carving makes a person go very fast because you are decreasing the amount of contact between your ski and the snow. Intermediate skiers are not going to want to carve because it is uncomfortably, not to mention carving is just a cool factor. It looks nice, but it doesn't have any benefits. Controlling the edging and knowing when to edge more and when to edge less is important.
You can intend the word "control" in many ways, and depending on the exact meaning you give it, the original statement is true or false.
"Sliding is out of control" is false if you mean the general descent.
Is true if you're looking to have better and more predictable turns.
It's false if you're skiing on terrain too steep for your level.
It's true on really icy ground where sliding makes you unstable and force you to a wider stance.
Also the fastest you go, the most control you get from carving opposed to soidding
Your wrong to say that carving is just a cool factor. It does look nice but it’s done because it’s faster not just to look good.
@@tobyfrancis2943 But the whole video was about staying in control and aimed at "intermediate" skiiers. Do you know intermediate skiier that wants to go as fast as someone that is carving?
That snow looks terrible
I've been skiing for 50 years and I have always used both legs to turn! The only difference is that with parabolic skis, you can apply a lot more pressure on the inside ski than what was possible before (I would say up to 80 pourcent compare to the outside ski) and therefore, have more strengh for turning and go faster!
I think the problem is more complicated. There are some important aspects that are left out in this video. Even if it is made for intermediate skiers. Yes most of the body weight must go to the outside ski, but never all of it! Yes, the inside leg should be active by edging earlier than the outside leg, but Harald, you know that one can make carved turns also only on the outside leg... So how important is this for an intermediate skier?
What important is missing in this video? First of all initiation of every turn by body projection to the fall-line. This is done by extending the outside leg of the following turn and flexing the inside leg. Then during the turn balancing on the edges by keeping the extension of the outside leg and the flexion of the inside leg and angulation. There are more basic aspects also of body balance, steering the skies.
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There is some inaccurate information on this video.
"The outside ski does the work, the inside ski just follows along for the ride..." While more weight and pressure develops on the outside ski, that's not the product of "doing more work" with the outside ski... it's the result of more SMART work done by the inside ski -- lighten the pressure/weight from the inside ski, (this will naturally shift weight to the outside ski, rather than intentionally pushing the inside edge of the outside ski against the snow, which only pushes the skier out of balance) hold/pull the inside ski back for proper fore/aft balance, and tip it actively and deliberately to the little toe edge. The inside ski is MUCH MORE ACTIVE in the turn than the outside ski.
It's more accurate (but not completely correct) to say the inside ski and foot does "the work" while the outside ski goes "along for the ride" with proper balance and pressure.
Well said!!!
I'd like to redirect both of you to the long leg short leg approach. Overall point is that the short leg must behave or there is only half the ability for good inclination, The short leg cannot physically carry as much weight as the long leg so don't push it. You have about 5 feet of travel on most turns to relax the inside leg and make it short otherwise everything else about this turn is going to turn into a skid.
@@AlpineMeister Please stop talking about weigth and call it load. I agree that "long leg" has the capacity to carry more load and should do so, at the arch of foot, while the "short leg" does the work: edging, carving, steering,.... so , to said "to relax"....mmmm. I ussually make the following annalogy: immagine I give you a sheet of paper, a pencil and ask to draw a have circle on it and you have only a wall to support the paper. you will hold it with one hand and draw with the other... the same goes for skiing: you support the innitial load on the arch of the outside foot, while doing all the work with the inside, etcc....
@@justyolivieri5807 Really ????you have exactly 10 seconds to explain that to your next student.
Justy Olivieri your comment has bothered me for a week. Weight is what you get when you stand on one foot or the other. Load is the sum total of your speed across a hill, gravity and your ability to tip a ski and have it hold an edge. Load changes weight does not. I was just asking a student to stand on one foot or the other with no reference to speed. Nobody is an engineer here keep it simple otherwise your going to spend the rest of your lesson explaining jargon. Not in the ski school manual.
класс!
wrong
There are 3 things working at the turn:
-downhill ski
-uphill ski
-waist
PLEASE SOMEONE HELP ME GET THIS CORRECT..TO DO WHAT SHE IS SAYING IS EASIER SAID THAN DONE TRUST ME BUT I THINK I FIGURED IT OUT. DO YOU HAVE TO SIT BACK A LITTLE AND PRESS ON YOUR HEELS TO TURN BOTH SKIS TOGETHER ? I ALWAYS SEE PEOPLE SKIING WITH THE FRONT PART OF THE SKI OFF THE GROUND BUT INSTRUCTORS ALWAYS SAY TO LEAN FORWARD BUT SIMPLE COMMON SENSE WILL TELL YOU THAT WILL ONLY WORK FOR PIZZA.
We've beaten this video to death and discouraged another author from sharing her views with our children. Then we had a battle between a number of people ..some informed.. about what the World Cup racers do. As much as we would like to be a world champion alpine skier none of us got there. None of us can hit a golf ball as far as ....whoever. The point is that until we line up all of our respective parts ( about 10 body parts and 3 mental keys ) we cannot and should not try and hit a ball as far as Tiger Woods. I feel that I've hit more than 4 million golf balls in my life. I feel that I've probably made several million ski turns ( 2000 turns a day skied 50 + days a year for 40 years. ) I may be a slow learner but I'm just able to utilize maybe 40% of what Harald is asking for. So it doesn't help to explain relativity none of us will get it. We are trying to lead people on a journey via a path of our own understanding and will succeed if the path is absolutely basic without a thousand interpretations. Lets not overthink this. If there were only 10 things to relate to a new skier this would be one of them.
This video is misleading! As specially the part when you say “the inside ski is only going for a ride”. Suggesting that outside ski will solve your clean carved turn. First of all: there are three different phases of a turn. Weight distribution differs in each phase where both skis are actively working. True, at one point weight distribution is very much dominated by the outside ski, but inside ski also has a very important role.
Without getting very technical, look at the “A” frame on your demonstrator. If you don’t tilt both of your skis with the same parallel angle combined with adequate weight distribution, than your inside ski and your outside ski is going to carve a different line. Under no circumstances, you would want that!
Yawn.
Nonsense , parallel turns use both skis simultaneously
0:33 "But in the fast clean arc, only the outside ski does the work?!" ----- Sorry to say this, but this is an incorrect information!!!
They are just trying to emphasize that all the pressure should be going on the downhill ski
They can emphasize what ever the hell they want but I am telling you that is not right, at least not in modern carving ski technique!
@@bizzobrigante1588 Yeah your right
@@anthony-vp3dq I know I am right mate... cause beside other things I work as a ski instructor and I can tell you for certain that you can interpret things like that but only before the carving skies were invented, not any more and that was +25 years ago 😂🤣😂
@@bizzobrigante1588 lol, being a ski instructor means chit, of the 1000s of ski instructors i've seen, maybe 20 can carve ... and they mostly level 4s
I read all the comments and the negative comments are correct. This must be Canadian because the coaching there is 20 years behind. The inside ski is used by the top World Cup racers much more than the outside ski and is more active than the outside ski. You just don't see this, and you don't understand it, so modern up and start researching modern ski racing and skiing. There isn't even a tip in on this video about how to get on the outside ski, so it's primitive instruction at best. And the comments about; "it's for intermediate skiers" is also way off base, you can teach intermediates skiers good movements just like you would experts or racers. I would never have commented or found this video unless someone had not sent it to me in a text. Please don't put out stuff like this; it's very misleading and not helpful for those who want to ski correctly in the modern era!
Please define what you mean by "the inside ski is used...much more than the outside ski." I know where you're going with this, but in your haste to chastise the poster and insult a country, I'm afraid you've failed to educate.
If you can read, you will see, I'm not insulting Canada in the least. I'm a Canadian and love Canada, and a former ski team member, however I am insulting Canadian ski coaching, and it deserves it. This information is so typical for why Canada has no technical skiers skiing successfully on the world Cup. My techniques and coaching are well known, easily found, available and documented, if you can't find them for free, try a computer course.
So how to carve, I'm totally confused. Please give some advices for a noob. If I edge both ski then they begin to go their own way and I loose control.
Harald Harb I know you’re Canadian, and your concepts and teaching have merit, but I’d have to speculate that it’s your consistently acerbic demeanor that limits your reach. The point of this video seems to be moving pressure to the outside ski. It doesn’t pay as much attention to the role of the inside ski as I’d like, but it makes a useful point. I have encountered you flaming instruction all over the internet. You come off more bitter than helpful. And Canada has four young women in the WC slalom top 40. Somebody’s teaching something right up there.
markmd9 if you begin to edge both skis the same amount with functionally tense ankle flexion before you twist (steer, rotate) your skis, they’ll tend to track and arc together through your turn. Gradually increasing your edge/base angles and positioning your body to establish and build pressure on your outside ski through the arc are also important, as are the subtle and powerful movements required to transition from arc to arc. Get to a good ski school and find a PSIA Level 2 or 3 instructor with a good reputation. You can also look for a well trained PMTS instructor, but they are harder to find and tend to teach to a narrower orthodoxy of what constitutes “good” skiing. There’s also a lot of great online content available from Section 8, Darren Turner’s Ski School series, and others.
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The inside ski follows around for the ride???... wrong!... it leads.
I am learning to get the weight on the "inside" ski earlier, in prep for the next turn. "Hip Steering"? Body, Ted+++?
The inside ski, hip and shoulder lead the outside ski, hip and shoulder just as happens in walking. But the stance (outside or trailing) leg is the balance leg.
Also wrong. If your inside ski is leading, you are not getting enough pressure down. Probably caused by initiating the turn too early.
Sliding is out of control! Maybe learn to control the slide then.
B.s.
"remember sliding is slow and out of control" No. Skidding is not out of control. Learn to do it.