HOW TO SKI ON ICE | 4 tips with Kili Weibel
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- čas přidán 11. 06. 2024
- Skiing on ice is challenging, it’s scary and unfortunately, it’s almost impossible to avoid. In this video, Kili Weibel shares some of his top tips to help you next time you face those icy conditions.
Disclaimer: We spent days hunting down the iciest conditions we could find to make this vid for you, but whenever we had a shoot day, we were blessed with perfect piste (ironically, the conditions we normally dream of filming in). With covid cutting short our skiing window we are still proud to bring you our best ice tips - executed on perfect piste ;)
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0:00 - Awesome skiing with Kili
0:30 - Introduction to skiing on ice
1:11 - The Key: Skiing stance
1:38 - Tip 1: Early edge engagement
3:29 - Tip 2: Be patient and apply pressure smoothly
4:09 - Tip 3: Separation of lower and upper body
5:40 - Tip 4: More flow, less force
6:28 - Lesson recap
7:00 - Want more learn to ski content?
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Skier: Kili Weibel - Swiss snow demo team instructor
Follow Kili on Instagram at @kiliweibel
Ski resort: Zermatt, Switzerland
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Skiing on ice looks so easy...when you're not skiing on ice!
those look like perfect condition for us NE US skiers. Ice for us is the smooth glass surface like a hockey rink.
Yet another how to ski on ice video that shows a great skier not skiing on ice!
Where's your video Snow Camp?
LOL - Was just thinking the same thing! Lucky duck gets to show all us East Coasters the slopes in heaven! Good video!
Was at Killington last week and parts of the mountain were total ice. I hit the slopes with racing skis which weren’t tuned up for the conditions and I was all over the place. I checked out this video to make sure I didn’t forget how to ski...haha! Happy trails!
@@Rumrunner1234 On our channel ;-)
Exactly!
And another great skier telling us to focus on the outside ski as he carves the crap out of the inside ski. Wake the %$&* up ski industry! (I have no doubt he can ski on ice though.)
Speaking as an ice coast ski instructor, on legitimate bulletproof ice, even with tuned equipment, maintaining a carve is near impossible. The most helpful tip, at least in my experience, is to not move your upper body too far into the turn. If you’re significantly angulated and your skis slip on the ice, you’ll hit the ground.
Maintaining lateral balance through equilibrium of forces in a turn, especially a carved turn, requires that the force be translated from and to the snow (ice) through the skis. When it’s really pure ice, this is impossible as the edges will just slide out, and more than minor abduction can be dangerous.
In general I agree with the “more edging, less skidding”, but when it’s really bulletproof and rotary action combined with light edging barely changes your direction of travel, it’s better to just pivot slip your way down the side of the trail than risk an ACL injury.
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@@danielasterling6936 Emirates?
Agree. New England bulletproof ice is like skiing on an ice rink and requires different technique.
LOL, that's BS.
@@MegaSkiman whu
Great skier and great carving tips, but that surface is superb hard groom natural snow. I'd like to see his turns on the yellow arena grade artificial ice we have here in Quebec !!
i think showing the instructor skiing a section of a steep icy slope would have helped, great video anyhow!
@@G3FORC3 Then do another video.
Can't imagine him even attempting those turns - let alone executing them - on a truly icy pitch. Mr. Swiss Demo is right about a quiet upper body, though. Practice on the packed powder, and work into more challenge.
BARILOCHE LAS LEÑAS ARGENTINA
Amazing stuff. This channel has the best instructors and ski lessons.
Great lesson, thanks! "Like a dolphin going in and out of the water." Beautiful.
Thanks so much for your super concise explanations and demos- very well done! The beauty here is that for me, there was nothing new...in a good way. As an certified instructor and race coach in Wisconsin, ice is the norm and the techniques/tips that you offer are exactly what I have been doing for years. Thanks again for verifying that I'm still doing the right stuff!
Skied since 1956 not counting 2 years in the backyard, vertical -4 ft. High school team, primarily Nordic but a little alpine. Skied well with REALLY good skiers (Cannon Mtn - NH) late teens. Little slow now… bumps and ice spook me now - will slink my way through it… this video is the most coherent review of skiing ice… not that I’ll kill it now but watching it carefully brings back what I learned from trial and long sliding falls (no injury- just fun and ridicule). Very well done. Will review for my 2 ski/year outings. Thanks! Jay - Maine
Great info. The detail on the shift is something that many instructors fail to mention. I think this small detail will make a monumemtal difference and will help propel me to the next level.
I see too many negative comments. That's not cool guys. Kili Weibel is awesome. We should all learn from him. One of the best videos on this channel.
think most ppl are commenting about the lack of ice present for a 'how to ski on ice' video. Kili is an amazing skier. I love his stance and flow. solid and light at the same time.. He's way better technically than every other ski instructor / demo-team type skier i've seen on CZcams actually. looking him up on insta now.
@@cantstoptommy7077 yeah, no ice is seen on the video :-((, but it's really easy to find ice skiing on different champs, where Mikaela or Petra show sky rocketing skiing.
Yes, maybe Kili needs to fix the video title to "high mountain ice" it's almost laughable "icy conditions" compared to a large segment of ski resorts around the globe.
Would be more useful actually showing this on ice. The demo conditions here are a good day in NZ. On hard snow there is little wash from the skis, most of this video looks like it was produced on a standard groomer softened up by a couple of hours skier usage.
The slow transition recommended as described, suggests some degree of slide or skid is guaranteed with the accompanying horrible noise until edging starts. Like to see you demonstrate that on actual frozen groomers please slowed down so we can see effectiveness.
Doesn’t matter if it’s ice or hard packed groomers the technique remains the same. As long as your skis are tuned properly and you stay separated, forward and stand on your downhill ski then there’s no reason you’d be slipping out.
@@chrisraduy9748 Thats what I was told when I had a lesson on gaining confidence off piste as the instructor said to me I want you to stand up all the time and I immediately said I was able to do it on a groomed run. So it was just fear sitting me back on my skis off piste and on ice. I did have a lot of falls and the more I fell the less fear I had and in the end I fell a lot less.
Hi there,
Thanks for the feedback.
We can assure you that we did our best to track down as much ice footage as we could in Zermatt in the time we had.
We hope that the tips were still useful regardless!
Great Video, same stuff my trainer is having me work on. tip one was : good stance, early edge immediately at transition takes away the horrible noise ?.
@@CarvSki This seems to be a great endorsement for Zermatt's snow condition, LOL
Wow - that set's a great new level of english ski tutorials! Nice work, CARV-Team and Kili (great guy!)
Marius you need English in your channel. I watch your videos and I don’t even speak your language and don’t understand what your saying but your channel is brill..you are a great skier! Take it to the next level with English so I can understand 😂😉
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You can switch on English subtitles and you'll got German to English translation 😎
Very much appreciated Marius!
Glad you enjoyed the lesson.
Hopefully we can go for a ski together soon 💪
This may just be my favorite tutorial so far. These are all the pointers I had and used when competing on the US east coast
Thanks for watching Carl,
We appreciate your feedback 👌
Great tips. Especially 4th tip. That's what I keep in my mind while skiing on ice. As long as you keep strong position you are safe
Thanks for the feedback!
Very happy to hear that you found the tips useful.
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"like a Dolphin" ~ that is an Awesome concept, Kili!!!! Thank you!
Like beauty, ice is in the eye of the beholder. In 1990 I made my first trip west (Steamboat). In the morning my son and I were just saying how nice it was when a local (I guess) came down the hill screaming at her husband about how icy it was and "I'm going in". My son, who was about 12 yrs old looked at me and said "wow, are these people spoiled". Now he lives out west and only likes to ride "pow". I still ski boilerplate back east.
Thanks for sharing your story!
We hope you enjoyed the video ⛷
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Steamboat is pretty icy by Colorado standards, at least this year. It's La Nina
Brilliant, Drills are on my start list for each day.
I'm working on my technique this year so thanks for the video
You got this Regal!
Let us know how you progress and don't hesitate to watch some of the other 'Ski tips' videos on our channel for an extra learning resource:
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Just ordered my CARV!!! Cant wait to try them out!!! Great video for a East Coast USA skier
Thanks for watching!
We're very happy to welcome you to growing the Carv family
Dear Kili, Thank you very much. A very useful video! I'll start working on tips in a few days.
Thanks for the feedback Boris,
Glad you enjoyed the video ⛷
Those skills are great everywhere.
Indeed!
Thanks for watching Sean ⛷
Do these tips make you more confident about skiing on Ice❓
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I would appreciate if you demonstrate it on icy slope instead of groomer.
Yes. The tips about getting on the old uphill ski early is a great tip for skiing generally, not just on ice.
Yes, thank you! I think a big tip for me is to relax and "flow" more than fight the turns. Coming from South Africa snow skiing is foreign to us so we have lots to learn that others take for granted. Thank you - I enjoyed your video.
There needs to be a discussion of sliding, not just how to carve.
I believe this was pretty much tactical skiing versus skill.
as an east coast skier, I know how to ski on a downhill hockey rink.
Right , let's get this straight the surface he is skiing on is hardpack, its white and the video shows a surface to grip on. ice is transparent you can see through it like glass sometimes looks black depending on what's underneath it what is shown here is slow race training conditions
Sounds like we need to do a trip to the East Coast when restrictions lift up!
Thats what i said!
@@CarvSki I learned to ski when I was older, so I wonder if I could make a few comments as a professional student who has to ski east coast conditions. You talked about extending the outside leg early, but then that's not what you did. You actually sank your outside hip, raised the inside hip and let the pressure come to your outside leg. On ice that lets you set the edge angle and not slip out. You talked about squeezing your waist on the side with the downhill leg, but what happens to most people on ice, which is fast, is that as the ski pivots from being diagonal on the slope to tipping down the fall line they fail to adjust forward and end up in the back seat. The biggest thing on east coast ice is that a person can be on hard pack and then suddenly, usually where the slope increases, end up going to black ice where the snow has been skied off of yesterday's frozen rain. Suddenly the edge angle is wrong and the outside ski starts to slip. This is what gets most people, not setting the edge on a known hard surface. The remedy is counterintuitive. Soften the outside leg, raise the inside hip and leg and let the edge angle reassert itself on the outside leg.
Alaskan skier: same.
Wonderful video, useful, clear tips. Thank you
A lot of good information! Two comment though.
1. Flexing (relaxing) you outer leg in the transition is for me a bettet way of starting the shift of weight from your outside leg to your new outside leg than, as you suggested, extending your inner leg. For me, that easily leads to overextension (standing up) between turns.
2. In my opinion, separation of upper/lower body is easier with a narrower stance than the one in the video.
Great tips! Also ski the edges of the trail to avoid ice . Alot of skiers aren't aware of this . Its common sense 101!
Always some pow to be found for some extra grip!
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@@hamerplayer1229 A R G E N T I N A U B E R A L L E S
The bad example was easy to understand.
I will try it next time. Thank you
No problems,
We're glad to hear it was easy for you to understand!
Cheers for the Lesson ,very good . Kind regards from Park City , UT !!
I need to learn how to ski ice better. I liked you ski tips and easy to understand instruction. Your a very good skier and you made it fun! Thank you...
Thanks for watching!
All the best putting these tips into action next time you go skiing 👍
Moving from edge to edge, instead of trying to rotate the skis rotating your body, in order to change direction (as bad skier like me do, instinctively): this is a game changer tip!
very good - that last exercise about not forcing it, I remember one coach told me to imagine I'm skiing on egg shells, and trying not to break them. Unfortunately I still struggle doing nice turns on sheet ice.
This one was really great. I ski'ed Zermatt recently and the blue runs were much more challenging than I expected due to icy conditions - I kept washing out. Through this video I realized I'm suffering from the rotation/over-rotation issue, adding too much additional momentum to the turn. I'll definitely be practicing the crunching motion instead. Can't wait to visit Zermatt again!
Great video! And smooth technique from Kili🤩
Thank you Daniel! 😁
We never get tired of watching Kili ski ⛷
Thanks Kili for the tips. Those tips that not only for skiing on ice spots. I'm agree to tips that apply for Dynamic skiing as well. Thanks for sharing. Definitely I subscribed as well.
Great advice! Should’ve watched this BEFORE I skidded down the icy Catskills today 😩 My legs are so tired!
Very good advice - thank you.
wow thanks for that. I leaned a lot I also passed the ski club test
Very enjoyable and solid presentation. Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks for watching ⛷
Good tips . Thank you 🙏
Amen!!!! You have that completely correct...
précis simple et clair bravo !
As a PSIA Level III (the highest level) I can say this is NOT ice. This is hardpack, or boiler plate, but not true ice. I grew up skiing on hard pack and true ice. Like the ice on a lake but tipped on an angle. For skiing on hard pack his tips are valid. For ice you can't lay them as out as far or they will come out from under you. One important thing (like he said) is sharp edges, for ice razor sharp edges, and a base edge angle of .5 degrees on the base and 4 degrees on the side. For hard pack/ boiler plate .5 on the base and 3 degrees on the side. In the Western US they think hard pack is ice, it ain't, it's just not soft. Ask any East Coast or Midwest US instructor or racer and they will tell you the same.
Great video, very informative. But, as someone who learned to ski in Scotland, I'm used to skiing on ice, rocks and heather!!!
Very good tips, thx 👍
Thank you for the tips!!!
No problems!
We hope these tips are useful next time you go skiing ⛷
Great video! Excellent explanation. Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Stay posted for more awesome skiing content on the way 👍
@@CarvSki You rock! Bought new higher class skis recently to check my skills further. Now it's totally different and much more enjoyable.
Great video. Keep them coming :)
Thanks Triggerboy!
More to come, so don't worry about that 😎
it will be much easier to explain it now to the students thx!
Well, i enjoyed the good tips - clearly a very high level of skiing ability. There's skiing on ice ( more like hardpack, which wasn't in the video) and skating on boiler plate which is some crazy adventure and nothing like skiing for fun at all.
Glad it was helpful to you!
Thanks for watching ⛷
Beautiful spot!
This was filmed in Zermatt!
We're glad you enjoyed the video 👍
its a great ice skiing instructional video, even if the slope is not icy.
Thanks for the feedback Steve,
We'll do our best to find the most icy slope on the planet next time! 😎
@@CarvSki Thank you, i used these tips today, when skiing on firm snow, and the they worked great. my skiing was better
I’m talking about the east coast ice, the transparent ice where you can see through the grass and rock type. What you show there is heaven for me.
Fantastic tips! Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
Great Kili!!!🏔️❄️⛷️⛷️
Thanks for the feedback Matteo 👍
....sooo well done!
Thanks Matteo,
This means a lot 👍
Stay posted for more awesome ski content on the way this season!
Thank you!
This is a great video and outstanding demos Kili. It has all the basics that work in all conditions - especially ice! Nice job!
Glad you liked it Michael!
We hope that these tips are useful next time you hit the slopes 👍
Lol, like your dolphin example. Go with the flow man!
Nice to hear a point about effect of rotation on edge hold. While this is skiing 101 there are a lot of people called themselves experts that teach rotation.
Thanks for watching Lyubomyr!
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You are a cool teacher.
Glad you enjoyed the lesson 😎
Good and Informative vid
grazie per questo video. fatto molto bene.
Many thanks for an excellent video!
You are very welcome Diana!
Thanks for watching and subscribing ⛷
LUCIANA IMOBERDORF PIA EXNER TIZIANA HEINZE MARTINA STOESSEL ARGENTINA
nice tips!
Glad you enjoyed the video Richard! Stay tuned for more ski content 🎿
I like these tips for hardpack.
Great tips thanx! Btw in boxing is all the same - no extended tension you have to stay focused but relaxed and follow the flow and rhythmical patterns
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Muy bien explicado
Great video !
Glad you enjoyed it Claudio!
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informative, I will utilize these points, thank you
Glad it was helpful Greg!
RUSSIAN SPANISH POLAR LANGUAGES USHUAIA ANTARTIDA ARGENTINA AURORA AUSTRAL
I entirely agree that patience on ice is very important in initiating and completing turns on ice to avoid having an unwanted skid. Ontario/Quebec Canada ski conditions are often icy as we always get that bit of freezing rain every February. You could talk about what happens when you do slip, which happens if you hit that unexpected piece of exposed ice on a slope that had snow making machinery cover yesterdays rain after a freeze. It's actually not a big deal if you lighten the uphill leg and let the downhill leg re-establish the edge. It becomes automatic after awhile.
Thanks for the insight!
Good skiing on ice is never easy to navigate.
But knowing what to do when you hit an unexpected patch would definitely be an interesting topic to delve into. We will keep it in mind!
Stay posted for new content on the way ⛷
@@CarvSki I had a lesson on just that topic from an instructor who teaches in both Ontario and Quebec, which we did on a day when conditions were particularly unpleasant - so might as well. His point was to relax, retract the uphill leg a bit and so allow the downhill edge angle to increase a bit and grip the ice again. I found that it only took maybe four inches of slip before the outside ski angled up enough to take hold on the ice.
One thing that instructors don't often mention is that as a person carries out a turn, from sideways to the hill to down the fall line and back, the effective slope changes. If you weren't in the back seat at the start of the turn, you can be in the back seat as the fall line gets traversed, so continually adjusting forward/back position is important. Nobody notices while conditions are slow but on ice acceleration is really fast and that shift happens really quickly.
great info, what to do on steep icy pitches where if we carve we'd be going too fast
BARILOCHE USHUAIA ANTARTIDA ARGENTINA
Love the video, even if it's not as icy as I'm used to skiing on.
Thanks for the feedback!
We will do our best to hunt down more ice next season 👍
BARILOCHE LAS LEÑAS USHUAIA ACONCAGUA ARGENTINA
It will be good to see that demo on real ice.
Hello from Russia, you are the great teacher.I dream of riding like you
Thanks! 😃
We hope these tips help you get one step closer to carving turns like Kili's ⛷
thank you👍
Nice to meet you! I am studying to be a trainer. When I was researching ski training, I came across such a wonderful video. Nice coach camp, cool background music, great camera work. All of that was good! We support you in the future!
Welcome aboard!
Thanks for watching.
We have a whole series of other 'ski tips' content on our channel so don't hesitate to check-out some of our other content.
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Thanks for how to skiing on the ice. It is raining here. Probably it will be hard tomorrow. I follow your advice on the hard snow. Have a great winter. I'm looking for one Australian ski instructor.
You can do it Jimy!
Let us know how you went putting these tips into practice ⛷
This is way better than $150 skiing lesson.
Thanks!
No problem!
Glad you enjoyed the tips John ⛷
Those slopes look nice compared to typical east coast ice covered ones!
I want to see them film a ski instructional video at night in PA
Great idea John,
Perhaps when Covid restrictions ease up, we'll get a US trip on the cards and go on the ultimate search for ice on the east coast.
@@CarvSki Go to Cannon.
I'm on the cusp of beginning to carve consistently. This was helpful!
This is great to hear 👌
Thanks for the feedback and keep it up!
Thanks for your great tips and demonstrations! Sure it will help me ski better on icy slopes! One question though, is there a condition that is so icy （say very few surface snow with an black diamond steep) that the aggressive engagement of early edging actually increases the risk of a bad fall?
Come to Pennsylvania or ny and re-film this on real ice. 😆
Hi Greg,
We can assure you that we did our best to track down as much ice footage as we could in Zermatt, however, out shoot window came to a close and the perfect bulletproof ice conditions didn't show up.
We hope that the tips were still useful to you regardless!
Thanks for watching ⛷
@@CarvSki no problem! Love your vids! I am used to more ice days then snow days over here during some winters. I was seeing what tips i could pick up from you! I'm going night skiing tonight, we'll see if I can apply some of your technique 😁 the snow has been pretty good so far where I've been so it may have to wait for a thaw re-freeze cycle.
Har har.. or skiing in Scotland where the freeze thaw produces blue ice
Blue knob = ice heaven lol.
@@geotecnics Blue knob.... sounds like you've been ice climbing in Scotland!!!
Brilliant video - all we need now is to open up the ski resorts ASAP.
We have our fingers crossed just like everyone else who can't ski 🤞🤞🤞
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Kili needs to check out skiing in Ontario Canada if he thinks this is icy day skiing. Kili Weibel and Richard Amacker are best on the channel I feel love the style :)
Thanks for these tips, will try to practice on these things. Just feel that demo piste is not very icy.
Thanks for the feedback Maoan,
We hope that these tips are still useful for you next time you find icy terrain!
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Great video
Glad you enjoyed it Nikola 😎
I envy your skills. 😮
Such a good lesson, thank you for sharing it
Glad you enjoyed it Sacha!
We have more great content on the way, so stay posted 👌
When I skied daily in Switserland (before carve skies) we would NOT use our edges, insead keep as much ski on the ice to create more friction. Worked pretty damn well.
Крутое видео!!! Советы помогли почувствовать как можно кататься на скользкой трассе, спасибо.
Thanks for the tip on separation. I'm definitely guilty of that.
You're very welcome!
We hope that these tips are helpful 👍
Oh shit, there is ice !!! Lovely :)
We're glad you enjoyed the video Maciej ⛷
great !!
Great lesson, I've always been confused between upper-lower body separation vs. rotation-follow skiing when doing carved turn. Finally this short video made it clear.
Some says it gives bad to knee joints, but 100 times better than a slip-out or an accident on ice.
Great lesson! I really like your analogy of being smooth like a dolphin. Will keep that image in mind when I ski, no matter what kind of snow. Thanks
Glad you enjoyed the video! Best of luck on your next trip, stay tuned for more ski content 🎿
I took a somewhat unorthadoxed approach to learning to ski on ice in that I bought some GS race skis and 130flex almost race boots due to the fact if you think about it race courses are pretty icy so therefore buying race skis and boots made sense to me. What the GS race skis offered was vibration damping which helps prevent getting thrown onto the tail of the ski and not being able to get up again. What the almost race boots offered me was a very quick ability to make turns due to the fact they have thin liners which do however make them colder but for me having cold feet was worth the improved control they offer over a heavily padded warmer boot. In a lesson I had, the instructor said "Don't sit back on ice" which is what you have advised also.
Thanks for sharing your insight and story Peter,
Interesting approach, but it seems to have worked out well for you!
Apart from the cold toes 😅
@@CarvSki I think if ski manufacturers were to rename their race skis ice skis they would sell far more but where I live in New Zealand there is an 80% chance of there being ice on any day I go skiing so the investment in them was very worth while. In recent years I have skied mostly on heavy mid fat and fat skis which give me confidence on ice with off piste flexibility.
Thanks for the great video! Is the video taken on a black piste? Seems like a very speedy line tho Thanks!