Two EXTREMELY High-End PC VR Headsets
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- čas přidán 2. 08. 2024
- vrgineers are a very talented PC VR hardware firm in charge of multiple headsets with ridiculous specifications. I got to try the latest improvements to their HMDs
XTAL 3 specs: vrgineers.com/xtal-3-mixed-re...
Somnium VR1 specs: / somnium-vr1-headset-de...
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Pin this comment, give the vr people what they want!
Goes well with toast
Bradley bradspreading while bradsplaining some techno voodoo
That should have been the thumbnail, not the VR headset
We viewers are happy to see you as well!
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I find your lack of maid costume disturbing.
I don't like sand........
With all these headsets it kind of makes total sense that Valve moved supported VR hardware down on the store page. The list of headsets, had they updated it, would end up really long 😅 Thanks for the coverage!
Now valve needs to really pioneer on the software end. Id explain my point, but I dont feel like typing a whole paragraph that no one will read
@@pugorilla8848 mind giving a small explanation?
@@pugorilla8848 I won't expect too much on the software side because the SteamVR software development so fara seems very much like they implement whatever cool idea they get and then move on to the next cool idea. Never fully fleshing something out until someone else maybe picks it up again years later.
I do expect to see something cool from Valve in the hardware department within a year though.
@@pugorilla8848 DEFINITELY!! I think they should make it a more open source. Imagine the Steam Community but for the SteamVR experiences, where people can easily download VR home (or other) experiences from the store.
There are NO dedicated spatial software right now, and that's a huge wasted opportunity. I think Vive is the closest one to doing spatial software. Their new headset is supposed to come with a multiplayer-ready home space, and possibly even a system for portals or something.
Valve should be supporting folks like Anarchy Arcade or even WebXR but alas...
"virgineers" lmao
Thanks for the continuous coverage, Brad. It's actually making me get pretty excited over picking a replacement for my vive sometime this year.
They told me on Twitter there will be a version of the Somnium 1 WITHOUT the passthrough cameras. Taking those out should help those who just want a pure VR headset
Thanks, for the info Brad!
For any VR hardware devs reading, I already have a 4k headset. Next hardware I will spend the money on is 4k per eye and OLED with eyetracking and higher fov. Keep the cable.
Thats pretty much what Pimax Crystal is.
@@Nobody-NowhereToo bad it's Pimax. Also it's not OLED.
your audio for outdoor improv shooting is pretty excellent
How I wish to wake up to the sweet sound of the phrase "Hi, I'm Brad!"
I haven't been able to keep up with every video but I appreciate all the time you've clearly been putting in to bring this information to the rest of us.
lovin these vids man
3:04 the guy in the reflection XD
Thanks Bradley.
I've never ever tried a VR headset and I've only been subscribed to your channel for like a few weeks BUT I enjoy your VR coverage and am looking forward to buying my first VR headset.
It might be the PSVR2 or the Quest 3 or the Index or all of the ones that are worth it lol. I just know VR is something that I've been missing out on.
As someone with a quest 2 and psvr, I will not be getting psvr2 because of the cord. Once I tried vr wireless, I can't go back to being tethered.
My first time in the Oculus DK1 in 2013 was mindblowing. I think you'll be thoroughly impressed with whatever current or next gen device you first experience.
@@ShamanNaoYuki well, if you want a great Vr experience graphically and performance wise, you need a wire for now.
Looking forward to seeing high end VR become affordable for consumers!
I can only imagine Meta and Sony giving us affordable high end headsets, all these other companies do t have enough power to bring the price down :(
@@071w9 The problem is one of the companies make you the product because of targeted ads.
@@PSYCHOV3N0M don't mind that, just want cheaper headset. Can't hide from it anymore anyway now days
I think you're gonna be waiting a while... Somnium aiming to only be lower than the $2,000 Varjo Aero isn't great... And the XTAL 3 MR is $11,500.
My guess is 1500
Having a oculus quest I want to get a higher end vr device. But every time something gets announce I hesitate and think if i want to wait for that to be release. And by the time I make a decision, something else gets announce. I feel like I’m chasing my own tail waiting for the “best time” to get a headset. First world problems xD
I know, Double. I know
This has reminded me how much I'm looking forward to getting a Nofio adapter~
Base Bradley strikes again.
We're all hoping for some big leaps, but it's cool to see good incremental progress.
incremental progress is better for business than huge leaps are. They want profits coming in steadily.
My most anticipated leap is a varifocal system. I assume a future Quest Pro release will get it first.
4:47 interesting to hear, I thought the aero's optics were meant to be pretty good. What kind of lens is the somnium using?
Did you try the aero before it had it's distortion fixed? Apparently it made a big difference, but now it has issues with chromatic aberration.
Somnium sounds like a dream device but I can't help but be extremely wary of both it being too good to be true and somnium's background.
At least it's lighthouse tracked, bless those laser boxes.
BRADLEY I LOVE YOU
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@@SadlyItsBradley BRADLEY I LOVE YOU!!! YOU RELEASED QUEST 3 LEAKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hey Brad, so excited you're there! Thanks for the great real-time insights. We all know you care about the same things the VR community cares about, so just so great to know you're there checking things out for everyone and thinking all the things we'd be thinking if we were there 🙂🙌
Also side note - can we agree that lighthouse tracking is RIP soon? With the cameras, A.I. prediction and the implementation of cameras in controllers - I'm just not excited about anything that requires me to buy external trackers these days. Thoughts?
Until I have something that can replace my full body trackers, I don’t see it dead yet. But I’m aware it’s a niche use case reason. It’s also still quite hard for companies to produce their own camera tracked algorithms unless they have a ton of $$$$
There are 1000's of lighthouse based VR systems being used out there; since 2017 it's enabled sub-mm, very low latency full body tracking; nothing has yet surpassed this. It's also great fun bolting trackers to different objects for sports and gun games 🕹️
@@SadlyItsBradley I hear you - and I think, like you mentioned, those are easier upgrade paths for Index and earlier Pimax users where the only investment is the new headset.
But these days, with so many advances in computer vision, data compression, router speeds and predictive a.i., I think even Valve, if they built the Index for the first time today, wouldn't be using lighthouse.
Just as an engaged VR fan here, I bet (aside from Riverdance stage dancers), if smart people put in the effort with all the tools available, you could get very responsive and accurate full body tracking of femur/tiba/fibula/foot positions+vectors from just the hip positions+vectors using current headset cameras.
Thanks again - as you know - just a big fan of the channel and industry 🙏
I agree. Although for now we still need a wire for high fidelity and processing power, but you can see that everything is moving towards wireless and inside out tracking.
VR needs to remove as many barriers to entry and fiddly bits, for more than just enthusiasts to jump in.
There was a project from Razer called the Razer HDK2 partnered with OSVR. OSVR was a open source VR software framework while the HDK2 was an open hardware HMD. Both projects are dead.
It is very hard to be financially viable in the HMD space especially if the software is buggy (which OSVR was). Coupled with the IR tracking never working correctly, the HDK2 was a terrible experience.
It is good to see that Somnium VR1 is using a good tracking system (vive) and so they just need to ensure the HMD works well plus the software must be great too.
Episode 3 of Brad in a corner, echo edition!
I’m honestly just impressed he found a place to sit down. There is literally no where to sit in that place!
vrgineers is a rather unfortunate name, sounds like virgineers
Might be intentional you never really know...
Or Virgin Ears. Maybe they're making fun of certain gamers??
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Give us this day, our daily Brad.
I also tried the XTAL and actually didn't find it too amazing. I really noticed that the vertical FoV wasn't too big, so it felt a bit like looking at a ultra ultrawide screen
What voodoode vr call the kaylo ren vision
@@ViperVenoM13 ??
@@DevDunkStudioKylo Ren helmet, star wars
@@ViperVenoM13 yes exactly that haha
Hey Brad! Your VR coverage is awesome! Almost got enough for a PC over here! Should I wait for a high-end PCVR headset or just get a Reverb G2?
Is reverb g2 still 300? If so, nab that I think
Reverb G2 is $450 at the moment, and think that sale lasts for another week or so? I'm having the same dillemma here- was looking forward to seeing Somnium's VR1 at CES, but it doesn't seem it'll be ready any time soon. Was really hoping it'd be more complete or have a price announced…
Cheap enough on the G2, you can always sell & upgrade later ftw! ;)
Nice to see Nofio also giving support to other headset. Hope they are already developing there WiFi7 chips, This is the way.
Nofio uses IMRnext's chip for codecs and that company offers also direct integrations in headsets and lists Valve, Oculus and HTC as partners.
@@kazioo2 thanks. Hope they can make more partners, like Varjo.
You should do a video with the Shiftall Mutalk as your mic at some point.
Hey Brad you should put the camera even further away next time. Love you 😘
Gotta turn up your volume!
Only seen one channel talk about the new Vive XR so far.
I'm on the lookout for an upgrade this year for my MSFS / DCS VR system with a 4090. Getting so, so tired of the FOV on my Reverb G2. The Somnium looks cool but also 100% seems like a "too good to be true" situation...
Have you tried the Varjo Aero? I know a few people personally who have a G2 and Aero. Some play DCS daily and the others play any and all VR games.
Every one of them loves their Aero and none of them can stand the thought of going back to a G2.
I currently have a Quest 2, Index and Aero, and the Aero is the only VR headset that gives me the high end VR experience.
@@farmertrueVR I'm aware of the Aero, I suppose I am just scared of the price tag.
MRTV & VR Flight Sim Guy both say: IF you have a 4090 & good cpu, then Pico 4 seems best for MSFS using Desktop VR app .
If < 4090 then G2 might be next best for sims, due to the direct display port, so no video compression needed as for wifi on Pico4.
@@BoltRM yeah the Pico is tempting but I'm worried about getting support for it in the US if something goes wrong
It's not stopping. VR tech keeps advancing. Rad.
I am curious if any of the new VR headsets are comfortable & high res enough to use for reading text so they could be used as a general purpose monitor replacement. A lot of the focus goes towards gaming / high fov but this doesn't really help with that use-case (or makes it even worse)
The Pico 4 can manage a PPD a little lower than 1080p 27" monitors via Virtual Desktop which is pretty low res but not terrible (still unusable for me but the best I've seen yet). I think the Varjo Aero's 2800p is just enough to be usable with 35 PPD. A 4K screen is 60+ PPD at a reasonable distance. Upcoming MicroOLEDs are apparently coming close to that.
My guess is that Apple will be first to make strides in that direction and spur on competition. I don't expect anything affordable in the next few years though unless Valve makes a big comeback.
Make a compilation video after you upload everything, would be great to just have something to binge
Probably will have a longish stream summing everything up
Not sure why they didn't just use an 802.11ay module instead of 6e. Ay is orders of magnitude faster than 6e. Would probably allow for full resolution streaming
Wigig 2 has headroom for Index at 150% and 144hz
I'm glad you think they're all happy to see your mate. What you don't hear beforehand is them whispering, Oh No, it's SadlyBradley, lol! Just kidding mate. Thanks for your CES updates.
Using individual 4k modules? Are they synced for a 3D passthrough view? Depth sensor?
What is the best VR headset that money can buy right now? Is it a Varjo VR3 or Varjo Aero for personal usage?
Lol your video is up to date again after the MRTV interview😅
Wondering if Nofio could make a wireless PCVR method for Quest 2 to reduce or even eliminate video compression/input lag,
also PS5 without devkits or Nofio getting PS5 devkits to produce wireless PSVR2 as accessory
We don't have low level enough access to quest 2 hardware and software to make something drastically better than Virtual Desktop/ALVR/Air Link.
It cannot as there is no raw video input in Quest. However, the company that makes its chip has Oculus as one of the partners on its website.... hmmm...
hey Brad I'm at CES, where can I try the XTAL? didn't see VR Engineers listed as a vendor. Thanks!
I forgot the name of the booth. It’s in central hall right next to Pimax
Very pog
Somnium was one I'm interested in, but it seems they are still a bit away before they have a fully working unit. I'm hoping that at least Q2 they have a working prototype, but I am very cautiously optimistic.
We work extremely hard to make it happen asap, but we do not want to compromise on quality or modularity of headset. Q2 is a very doable target, but of course I can not 100% guarantee that small delays won’t occur. In any case our hard target is to ship headsets this year (possibly even Q3)
@@artursychov That's a good mindset and I hope you guys can bring a solid product on the market.
I'll be keeping a very close eye on the VR1.
@@artursychovwell...
many thanks Brad - I hoped for the Somnia Headset - but you will present when its ready - End 2023 - would you have a look for the francais LYNX - please
I tried Lynx. I will have a video on it this weekend
@@SadlyItsBradley ---great - many thanks Brad
@@SadlyItsBradley one other -- I saw just some minutes ago a talk from MRTV with the CEO of Somnium ..
someone needs to take these CES videos and edit them into the Wii shop music
My only problem with Somnium is that it doesn't look like I can use full sized wireless headphones over it, its enough to be a deal breaker for me if so. Though its possible that a high quality pair of bluetooth in ear headphones might be a solution, I worry that the sound quality wouldn't be nearly as good. Im not a fan at all of "off the ear" solutions for VR HMD's or even on ear solutions like with the original Vive.
You can use any wireless headphones with Somnium VR1 headset. We have 4 anchor points which you can use with 3 USB C connections + you can 3D print your own holders.
Did you get to try the vive xr elite?
No it's appointment only. Couldn't get an appointment
@@SadlyItsBradley if they don't let you get an appt, they must be scared.
Virgin-eers sounds about right lol
Can't wait for the day when they release a Low-end PC VR headsets 😄
HP Reverb G2 V2 is probably the closest thing right now to that.
I've been at CES the past couple of days and tried both the XTAL-3 and Crystal (the booths are right next to each other) and without a doubt, to me, the Crystal was the better headset. Maybe XTAL-3 just chose a bad demo (I did the flight sim in the mobile flight sim chair) but going straight from one to the other, to me at least the Crystal was a clear winner. I am looking at them with sim racing in mind though so maybe you are keying in on things that have less weight on my preference.
I’m definitely not a Sim user. I also should say I probably wouldn’t prefer the XTAL optics over the Crystal here. I’m a fan of wide AND tall fov. Not just wide
@@SadlyItsBradley brad, i'm going to be real. i think i had a stroke while reading that.
@@binyopt sorry about that
@@SadlyItsBradley no problem, love your content!
@@binyopt 😂🤣I read it just fine.
I'm 3 hours late,
But here we go again
I read this as headsets for extremely high end PCs. Thinking it was a good thing I just blew savings fixing/upgrading my PC
Very mixed opinion on somnium, the headset looks good. But I’m not a fan of their software, too much focus on money, not enough time getting things as simple as legs animations matching up to walking speed
Do you XTAL 3 is a human vision FOV headset without compromises? No distortion, overlapping issues etc from similar devices like Pimax , if it’s the ultimate headset, I think some prosumers can justify $11,500 price tag.
Honestly no. I think the Varjo VR3 is way better if price isn’t an object
@@SadlyItsBradley Thx! It looks like that there's still no perfect headset on the market, meganeX just revailed price for their OLED small formfactor headset, which is 250,000 Japanese yen with tax, i don't know how much they gonna charge for dollars though...
You going to be able to get your hands on a meganex headset there? If it's there?
Trying my best to fit everything in. There’s honestly a lot this year compared to last year. Overwhelmed
XTAL 3 is $11,500 😵💫
It looks literally like a Pimax 8kx clone too. Maybe a bit more sophisticated in the XR space but it's not worth $8,000 more dollars for.
Hi guys I was wondering what happened to CZcams VR on the meta store?
How Do I watch CZcams 360 videos now?
Hello Brad
You ever read the word "telegram" in a name just know it is a scammer and bot
Wait, is that carpet on the stairs?
Ya lol
@@SadlyItsBradley Wow. Thick exhibition hall carpets in the US never cease to amaze me. ;)
Do we have an idea of the price for the somnium?
No but they want* to be less than Varjo Aero
@@SadlyItsBradley thank you
chances of quest 3 being wifi 7?
The SoC inside will likely have support for 7. But I don’t expect it to get Wi-Fi 7 antennas. I expect Quest Pro 2 will
They claim that XTAL 3 is 8k headset, while its 4k per eye. Nice marketing.
I’m just waiting for more FOV that isn’t pimax
Yeah PiMax is absolutely horrific
Here u have it…XTAL can be bought without subscription according to their website.
@@user-yy8ln9rg4s 👀 I'll have to look into this
No pimax?
Yeah, please review the current state of the Crystal
Yo Brad I live in Vegas, wanna hang out???
3:06
Monkey needs/wants a 3D printer. I don't know why I didn't buy one ages ago.
With the 16% discount, your $5/month tier is $4.20 😉
Anyone making a simple, light, light-house tracked headset? I don't care about in-side out or having cameras on the headset at all. Just wireless PCVR with good light optics and screens.
I wish you would show more footage of the product/booth rather than footage of you sitting down somewhere.
It’s hard. I’m only one person with many appointments. So I have to rush to get footage at the booths
someone was holding your camera?
Nope. Put it on a slab of concrete
@@SadlyItsBradley so the wind was making it move about?
brad left me on read 😢
where did you message me. im overwhelmed with DMs this week
@@SadlyItsBradley im jk
did we see the same demos? i thought it looked really really bad compared to the Quest Pro. Blurry, insanely heavy on your face, not great colors. The actual demo game itself seemed very low res for a headset that is supposed to be showing of resolution.
Woof
2 days and still no Pimax and MeganeX content on CZcams. MeganeX has no wifi hence not many ppl interested I get that, but is Pimax thaaaat bad? On paper it does look far better that competition, since HTC failed miserably.
Yeah. Why nothing about the megane x?
12th vomment
i'm very doubtful about theses companies who aim very pricey device without having any major brand behind...
Like Pico with Tik Tok or Meta
Even a Skyworth Pancake 1 at 450€ (4560x2280, 105°, display port,) with a major brand behind seems to be a bargain, and would have a better future.
My money is on Pimax Crystal even though kinda bad review from SadlyBrad. Tracking seems good and clearity and huge vertical fov really make me buy it
Probably fine with lighthouse tracker
@@SadlyItsBradley Please comment on the current state of the Crystal 🙂
@@driflysh4597 go to pimax youtube channel. Its promising so far
The Xtal shows how far off super high end, high res, human eye FOV pcvr is for the consumer (good luck Pimax). There's no demand for it outside of a few niche pcvr nerds, so it won't trickle down to the consumer level for a very long time until some amazing quantum leap in display, lense and processing power occurs and cheaply! If Pimax fail it, which let face it, they will......then who else is doing it?
For consumer VR hopefully with the next console gen closer to 2030 we see VR headsets have enough power behind them for 8k per eye with enough software tricks.
Somnium vr1 is an open source as meta is privacy driven. They are using opensource as a marketing term and nothing more.
Where is eye tracking for no pro customers?!?
PSVR 2
@@SadlyItsBradley yes but I spent much money for my pc, I don't want PS5... 😑
TBH i think any headset over $1000 is DoA.
Do you still think that PSVR2 is expensive ?!
It's not. Never was....
And as soon as you mentioned lighthouse tracking, I lost all interest in the Somnium VR1. I'm already invested in the SlimeVR ecosystem as it's platform independent. I hoped for VR1 to do the same. I won't invest into yet another system, especially since I believe it will soon become irrelevant as companies shift towards inside-out tracking, more and more.
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looks like wearing a giant brick on your face lol
Copium VR 1
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Neither of these are very interesting or leaps forward in technology. They are business headsets for commercial use. Real innovation comes when consumer headsets are released. High hopes for the Index 2, hoping we get 5k per eye 120+ degree horizontal fov with oled displays at 144hz.
Czech "Republic" government 😁 not Democrat or republican government 😆
Sorry for my American brain moment
@@SadlyItsBradley HAHA
Great Video... So have you talked to the Czech Republicans 🤣 and who they are going to vote for in 2024?😎