SPIN Recovery In A C172
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- čas přidán 28. 05. 2024
- During flight training in the US, we CFI's always teach people what a spin is and how to recover from it. The problem is, it's easier said than done. A lot of people don't get to experience a spin until CFI training or even worse after inadvertently putting themselves into a spin. This is why I think it's never a bad thing to try spins before they are required by CFI training.
Regardless, the recovery technique we've all been taught from the beginning is the one that absolutely works. Say it with me:
POWER IDLE
AILERONS NEUTRAL
RUDDER OPPOSITE
ELEVATOR DOWN
In this video you'll see how it works and get some cool views of some spins.
Enjoy the flight!
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Didn't realize the student screaming acting was apart of the new CFI ACS. Good video Lewis!
It outta be! Very realistic touch
Got to make it a real world experience. You never know when you’re gonna have a student screaming in your ear 🤷🏼♂️
Haha I made the cut! That was me at 4:45 and then again at 7:43. Nice talking to you up there Sir. Great video and training as always. Glad I was able to help with the promo code too haha.
Haha thanks man! Great to hear you up there.
I was that stupid student on my 5th lesson doing power on stalls. CFI saved my life.....He then did a couple more and I realised I was never in danger with him in the right seat! Great lesson.
I love that story. I was put into a spin by a student a few months ago and he was upset at himself at “nearly killing” me. I was laughing through the recovery because we were nowhere close to being in danger. It happens. The best time to mess up is with an instructor onboard. Flight training in my opinion is about making mistakes in a controlled environment so you can learn from them. I love it!
me too over Malibu with my instructor. power on stall practice.
Working on getting my PPL at Paris Air at Vero Beach,Florida.For study purposes been through several channels but you are the best so far,Respect❤🙏🤟
I have been watching your channel for so long Lewis - and I only discovered the thanks button today, so Thanks for all the amazing videos! Best wishes!
Ah you’re too kind mate! I very much appreciate your support!
As much as I hated spin training. I’m very grateful that it is part of the PPL course in South Africa. If I remember correctly, spin training is the last air exercise before circuit training begins.
I agree I wish the FAA included spin Tranining in All Pilot Training.
Lew that was badass...I am a 58 year old private pilot at KSRQ and my kid lives in Orlando so I fly to KORL monthly to see him. Would love to get this spin training with you sometime while there!
Great to hear an American say that!!!! There's no danger in learning how TO spin and recover FROM one...at 1000 AGL you're in trouble but I've seen videos of students accidentally entering a spin, without any training at all! I can't imagine what's going through their mind!!!
I am starting aerobatics this on Sunday! Can’t wait!
Fantastic video and training!!!
Thank you!
Just did a flight lesson on stalls and spin recovery today in a PA28! So much fun...
pa28's are not certified for spins. if you were doing spins thats good way to de-wing your airplane.
Depends on the PA 28 model.
The 140 early models with the ‘chocolate bar’ wing were approved for intentional spinning.
Once the PA28’s got the new semi tapered wing they did not get the intentional spinning certification.
@@sahakiapspins put almost no stress on the airframe a smooth recovery is no more g load that a steep turn. Snap rolls and flick stalls are a good way to hurt a normal category aircraft. Hershey bar wing Cherokees that are approved for spins are more than fine to spin
nice video again.
a few years ago I hired a flight instructor and a C152 and had a flying lesson just for fun. I asked him about the stall and he showed me. It was such a crazy feeling when you spiral towards the ground. I can't describe it but it was awesome. roller coaster is nothing compared to 🤣🤣🤣🤣👍
Did spins during PPL. CFI said plane won’t go over 40 degrees nose down. Well the nose tucked and we went about 120 degrees nose down 😬 in an interstate cadet. Could hear the balsa wood creeking and fabric stretching. He let it go about 10 rotations. I had no clue where i was after recovery. After that i loved spins tho!
Great video. It’s been 4 decades since I did spin training in the T37 jet trainer. I’m surprised that there is a reluctance to train in spins in GA. In my ppl training, spins weren’t allowed which is probably exactly where it needs to be taught. Spot on instruction on recoveries and really invaluable.
Thank you, sir! I really think spins should be a PPL requirement. Nobody touched them (usually) until CFI training which is far too far into training in my opinion.
I did my spin endorsement about 2 weeks ago. It was fun, but that’s as much as I will say. Certainly a new experience.
I sought out spin training as I was getting close to my ppl check ride. Wanted the experience even though not part of the curriculum.
I commend you for wanting to do it.
PPL track here - I personally insisted someone give me spin training before I did solo flights beyond my first pattern solo. It was priceless, tons of fun, and very informative. It's a shame is quasi illegal to do for non CFI training.
I love the screams to make it more accurate :P
12:08 I want that as the ringtone if ever an ex tries to get a hold of me.
Dude, I believe every GA Pilot should be taught spin recovery! I'm a 75 hour PPL and would love to do this. I practice it in my MS flight sim, but it's not the same. I'm sure your inner ear is screaming to the brain all kinds of crazy information! Haha!
That’s a fun video 😊
Thanks!
i did spin training in a PA-38-112..N2332N - looking back. i am glad the plane was a low time plane.
Pretty sure I heard this dude over at X04 this morning! Love the channel
Thank you! And you did 😎
Lew I need spin training for my CFI-S ...... hint hint. So I can teach Sport when I get back home.
What "What about me?" Had me laughing hard!!😂
Thank you for that. I'll ask my CFII
In Canada PPL students have to be able to recover from a spin prior to go solo. Cpl students have to be able to enter and recover from a spin for the flight test.
Gonna get my spin endorsement tmr. Ngl it looks fun haha
5:01 “That hurt”…… I laughed out loud at that.
😂
I did my spin training a few months ago ....lots of fun :) It would be educational to show the base to final spin setup as well.
The good old base to final spin.. I’m still waiting for a student to try it 😂
making it look totally normal and fun...I need to do some again
Appreciate it man!
best instructor and aviation content creator! I'm a relatively new PPL student (20+ hrs). Hope I can meet you one day!
Ah thank you so much mate! That means a lot!
Awesome video. If there was a way you could get a go pro camera with a light on it in the pedals to show snips of would be cool 🎉
That would be very cool
My spin training wasn't near that crazy and exciting. We could barely get our aircraft to do one full rotation, we never got close to the developed stage.....what a shame! Great video Lew as always!
Thanks man!
Here in Canada spins are a part of PPL training. Whee! 🙂🙃🙂🙃🙂
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Started my training back around 2008, and we were in a 172 over Malibu (California) at I think around 3,000' and were doing a power-on stall, which I hadn’t done in a couple of months at that point. My fault… not enough rudder. Right wing dipped, then the left fell and we started spinning.
I'd never had spin training at that point and it was just what I'd READ about it.
Took my hands and feet off the controls, thinking the instructor would step in. I glanced over and he was sitting there with his arms folded. Everything slowed way down and what had to have been only seconds was playing like in slow motion.
Hands and feet back on the controls, I didn’t remember the throttle (again, I had never even SPOKEN about spins with an instructor), but it was controls neutral and forward to break the spin, and it did.
I remember the instructor saying, “Let's do that again,” and I responded, “You mean without the spin?”
I've heard many people say that a 172 won't spin, or that you have to hold the controls in to MAKE it spin, or that you can just release the controls and the spin will stop by itself. I call BS on that because I can attest that they WILL spin, you do NOT have to hold the controls the “wrong way” to keep it going, or that taking your hands (and feet) off the controls will stop the spin. Because I DID spin one, I did NOT hold in the “wrong” controls, and I DID let go of the controls and it kept spinning without recovering until I broke the stall.
Oh, and no screaming. 😂
But I will say that spinning UNEXPECTEDLY is a lot different than knowing you're going to be doing it because you’re just not prepared and have to think fast.
I had a student put me into an incipient spin a few months ago and he was distraught about it. Before that point we had spoken, as I do with all my students about spins, why they happen and how to recover. Talking about it is good but accidentally putting us in one is even better because it’s a real experience. Even though it may have been scary for you, I’m glad you experienced it too. Now if it happens again you’ll have that experience to draw from.
@@LewDixAviation Yeah… at first, I was seriously on edge the rest of that day, but then I realized that I knew I was able to get out of what is probably the scariest thing you could put yourself into in a small plane like that. So… yeah, definite screw up getting into it, but in the end, a major confidence booster.
I never did figure out how many times around we went… I ended up facing essentially the opposite direction from where we started, but we'd lost around 750’-1,000’ in the process, so I suspect it was more than that half turn.
Had other fun… like pulling power also over Malibu (I think we were doing simulated engine-outs) and having the engine start to sputter. Immediately gave it throttle again and it fired back up just fine, but my heart definitely skipped a beat there because over Malibu, if your engine quits for real, you're going swimming because there's nowhere dry to put it down.
There have been a few of those “gulp” moments, like on a “backwards” day at KVNY (34 L/R instead of the usual 16 L/R) when I was already just past the end of the runway and about 100’ AGL and hit a bad downdraft pushing us down about 50’ in an instant and knowing if it happened again, we'd be DRIVING through the plant nursery just past the runway instead of flying over it.
Not scary (to me, at least), but definitely an EXPERIENCE was taking off from KSMO (Santa Monica) on a perfectly clear day without a cloud overhead and ATIS saying clear and a million and then running into the clouds past the departure end. Nothing like IMC in the pattern at 1,000’ AGL (we reported it, requested a couple hundred feet lower than pattern altitude until we get back into clear skies, and then landed and called it a day).
Honorable mention goes to flying head to head with a C-130 both of us on base (me left, him right) for parallel runways that aren’t that far apart. You never realize quite how big those suckers are until you’re in a 172 flying straight towards one.
Had another fun one that actually freaked out my instructor a bit when someone flew over the hills and then opposite us right at our altitude in the narrow gap between the hills and the ocean over Malibu - so close that we could very clearly see the rivets on the other plane.
Even as a student, flying in the LA area means you'd better be on your A game.
Our club that has a 1975 M model doesn’t want to have spins done on the plane because of the drastic increase in dynamic pressure that’s imparted on the side windows in a developed spin. They just don’t want to spin. I went and did mine in a GCBC, much happier in a spin.
Loved watching this! Do you ever spin right? Or is the plane better suited for left turning spins?
We actually did one to the right but it wouldn’t stay in the spin 😂
The first spin was like, "OMG!", but the next one was like, "Can we do one more?". 😆
Awesome Vid ! , I Noticed He Didn’t Lean As You Guys Were Climbing Up Originally was That Just to Burn As Much Fuel as Possible or Do you guys normally Not Lean ?
Scream reminded me of the scene in Home Alone with the tarantula 🕷️
#classic
In Canada, we experience the incipient spin during our private pilots training, and full spins during our Commercial training.
They should include it in the US too.
It’s hard to see in the video, what airspeed do you get up to in the spin? I’m sure I’ll be terrified but I’m excited for this part of my training!
I’m getting close to ppl checkride, just over 40 hours, all the boxes are checked and maneuvers look good. Unfortunately my school flys PA28s which are not rated for spins even in utility category. My dream is to fly aerobatics, maybe build a Pitts in my garage while I’m building hours and experience. But for now I would love to just be able to do spin training.
I had to do my first spins at a different place that had 172’s because I was flying PA28 exclusively at the time. I highly recommend doing them. You’ll be a better and safer pilot because of it!
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I need to get my spin training, are you able to provide that service or any recommendations?
I miss spinning ( common practice in my early glider days). You can't technically spin a flexwing.
I might try that this weekend, if my cfi is up for it.
The CFI better be!
@@LewDixAviation Hmmm, maybe I should test that theory. lol
@@md4droid Report back with your findings
@@LewDixAviation I'll certainly keep you updated. ;)
What kind of mount is that for the iPad on the control column?
Like that student is allowed to scream once the CFI has screamed 😂….i totally agree, us students should get exposed to spins recovery at some point in advanced training ( with the right plane and the right CFI).
Question.. shouldn't the airspeed stay near the bottom of the white arc while you're spinning? Looks to me like each rotation you do, the airspeed creeps up toward the top of the white arc, which I'd think would mean that the airplane is flying and you're more spiraling than spinning, no?
Full back pressure on the yoke and rudder to get it to spin. Maybe we could have applied aileron but other than that we did all we could to keep it in 😂
Hard to even spin a 172, great design of an airplane. Recovery is so easy
It doesn’t want to spin at all haha. You have to really do something wrong to force it in and it’s very easy to recover.
12:07 Now I know where your sister learned her screams. 😀
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Did you do student lockup on this flight? Did my spin training a couple months ago and the CFI taught me to facepalm the student if theyre locked up on the controls 🤣
Omg! OH! Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!! Lol
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Spin training would've been a lot more fun for me had it not been my first time in the right seat lol
😂 That bad, eh?
@@LewDixAviation he had me do 6 rotations just so we could lose enough altitude to skirt back under our Bravo shelf lol
@@coasternut3091 😂 top notch descent planning
ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
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Back in the day... we did spins during PPL. Obviously, you had to be training in a plane that could do them. In 1992, I learned in a 152, and I think the 4th or 5th lesson I ever had included spins. From my understanding, they don't train them anymore for airframe safety, as many training aircraft are overworked already. Personally, since it's for CFI.... I think it shouldn't be done in a cessna. They basically recover on their own. It should be done in something more aerobatic, and you have to actually do a correct recovery.