Dr. T. Colin Campbell on Plant vs. Animal Protein | The Exam Room Podcast
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- Plant and animal proteins are compared head-to-head by Dr. T. Colin Campbell, the author of The China Study. He rates the quality of the two protein sources for your health and explains why you can obtain complete protein without meat.
Dr. Campbell educates us on protein isolates found in processed foods and why they can be a “mixed bag” for your health. Plus, he discusses why he ranks proper nutrition ahead of exercise as the most critical step to prevent cancer when he joins “The Weight Loss Champion” Chuck Carroll on The Exam Room Podcast.
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Dr Campbell is the Godfather of Whole food plant based nutrition. I love this man his research saved my life.
Three years ago I was 320lbs today I am 125lbs. 🥰🇺🇸
Congratulations. How long did it take for you to lose weight?
Wow! That's inspiring!
@@breelcsw1442 three years. The last two years I have been plant based.
What a “wonderful” comment !!!
Angela, congratulations, this is impressive (I've lost 25 lbs & have 10 to go) & the diet is sustainable & the healthiest of all.
He is a true American hero who has saved countless lives with his research. I'm so glad he is continuing to preach to the masses. He is to be respected.
It's just an agenda to stop people from consuming meat fish and animal products, which are the healthiest forms of food.
His birthday is March 14 and he'll be 88 years old! I just looked up his wikipedia page.
88...wow! I can't believe it.
Omg I thought he was about 55
That is Pie Day, Albert Einsteins Bday too :)
14th88 heil doctor)
I’m glad this interview didn’t stop his good lady wife enjoying her lunch 😂
She was nuking a Costco bagel dog
Dr Campbell has been my hero since I knew him through his books , a true and down to earth scientist with outstanding understanding and sincere agendas 👍👏🙏
Sorry but he's biased and not honest. "China study" is one of the biggest manipulations of data and study outcome in the history. He's pushing anti animal based foods agenda without any real evidence.
Agenda, being the operative word.
Dr. Colin Campbell never disappoints the he uses science, history, data, and current info to explain the age old protein questions 🔎❓️
Yes, he is a master at convincing people that fake meat is as nutritious as the real thing. Mine was created on a farm, yours was created in a Lab.
@Dookie Bookie It doesn't compare to real meat, the food companies are the only ones profiting. They can sell you a much cheaper product, much less nutritious, and make the same amount of money. It's all about their profit, not your health. Look at the people who eat the most plant foods, it is the poor. Look at the foods most Americans eat, it is mostly plant based. They go to a fast food place. even if they order a real hamburger and a large fry, they get a little, thin patty of meat, and the rest is plant based, including the fries, cooked in vegetable oils.
@Dookie Bookie Okay, whatever you say, but I am going to continue to eat my meat and eggs, because that is what reversed my metabolic disease and diabetes. It is not a moral issue with me, it is about feeling good and functioning my best in life. I can't do it your way, I already tried it. You want to eat plant foods, you can eat my share too.
@Dookie Bookie There is a new study out from the International Journal Of Medicine, showing eating meat extends life, where eating only plants does not. ( Dated Feb. 22nd 2022).
@Dookie Bookie That's alright, just keep listening to Mic the Vegan, he looks so healthy. If I showed it to you, it would do no good, because people like you already have your minds made up. Keep doing what you are doing, and good luck.
Sugar intake can give you high cholesterol, too. Everything that affects your liver and inflammatory processes can give you high cholesterol.
Thank you for having T. Colin Cambell on your program, he's my hero
Very interesting. Thanks for sharing!!
So glad to have Dr. Campbell! Thank you PCRM!
Love to listen him talk
Love Dr. Campbell.
Thank you for lengthening these a little more.. feels more complete. Still love the long ones too!
Lovely discussion.
The fact that someone is really busy using a microwave, eating and then doing dishes is hilarious! C’mon-He’s in an interview!! 😂
And it looked like she was heating up a beef hamburger. Lol. Just kidding.
I came to the comments just for this! Good grief woman!!!
Microwave 😂😂😂😂😂
That’s because someone doesn’t really give a shit about his interview 😂
That has to be his wife who has heard this info a gazillion times. LOL! It cracked me up.
Thank you for this valuable information 👍💚💜🧡💙💛🤍
My late dad smoked most his life (passed away at 88) since he was 13, had high blood pressure, high cholesterol, rarely watched his diet (loved fatty steaks) and always added more salt in his food. Could be his good genes but he always lived by this rule: eat until 80% full. He was always slim, never overweight his entire life and stayed active especially outdoors which he loved nature and gardening. Since he got his daily Vit D from the sun, he didn’t have osteoporosis, which both my grandmother and mom had.
That's a good point. You might check out the work of Dr. Fred Bisci, who is in his 90's. He is a 50 year vegan but he says the same thing, that overeating is a big problem, even if your diet is healthy.
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fatty steak is not unhealthy, meat in generel is not unhealthy on its own.. its the carbs, sugar and overall lifestyle and if you are overweight...
The fags would have kept him slim, not the 80% full nonsense, smokers often balloon if they quit smoking so, you need no other evidence than that. Smoking is a natural anorexic, but well done to the fellow, that's a good age to reach for anyone, I would be extremely pleased to reach such an age.
@@UncleJ2058 A Vegan diet is not healthy, and it would been the smoking that kept this chap thin not the 80% full practice, I can assure you of that.
Great info. Dr. Campbell, thank you for sharing your knowledge about plant and animal protein
Thankyou Dr.T .Colin Campbell and PCRM. Keep spreading the good news about bad habits.
This is the man you listen to regarding diet.
I went 100% Vegan after reading Dr. Campbell's book "The China Study."
Same here. Changed my life.
@@gmr1241 Then you ll love WHOLE, the book he wrote after the china study
@@TheHouseofFruits Ooh, thank you. I hadn't heard of that one! Thanks for the heads up.
@Rick T Plantbased or vegan? I ask, because his book is more or less based on health questions not about ethics. Just curiuous, I'm not judging, I'm plantbased myself with a lots of sympathy for veganism, but I would never call me one.
@@Therawpy vegan after further research on what has been going on to the animals just for food or clothing. I'm at peace with my decision. It's a journey.
RE. sunshine: for those with an aversion to sunburn, stay out of the sun from 10 to 4 in the summer!! Get morning blue light for good sleep, and after sunset, turn off your blue LED lights (cell phone too) for good melatonin production/sleep. Common knowledge but just thought I'd share. Peace :D
So excited for this talk on protein with Dr. Colin Campbell. Thank you, Dr. Campbell, Chuck & PCRM. Sharing with Whole Foods Plant Based Vegans. 😃Everyone needs to hear this!
Fabulous interview! Thank you so much for sharing this 😀
I am a great lo
I am a great fan of Nutrition and exercise i have practised it for years Thank you Doctor
T. Colin Campbell, my hero!! Thank you so much for having him on the show!!!
Your hero is a scientific fraud.
Bless you T Colin Cambell!
Great Dr T!
Greetings from Dominican Republic 👋
Wow. ❤ I'm so happy to see Mr. T COLIN 💖 I love the China study 📖 .
Great video as usual. ☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️
Dr. Campbell is awesome.
love it what a GURU
Dr. Campbell is a knowledgeable and amazing man! Love him! Wfpb is definitely the way to go!
It truly is.
Give me a break. He is a vegan activist who happens to be a doctor. Plant protein must be isolated or cooked in order to be utilized at all and even then, it is a piss poor quality and much of it is wasted as undigestible.
@@steviacandyman7892 Hence why gorillas are so weak.
I love Dr Campbell so much . I heard almost his books . Thank you very much Sirs , both . From Viet Nam .
Thank you ❤ 🥦❤
When I knew the backing of plant based diet from Campbells book, it made me consistent in following it. Thanks for that
Holy shit... the fact Campbell is still doing videos... amazing
From South Africa 👍😊 afternoon 💕
So eat as high a percentage of whole foods as you can - well I can and do eat 100% whole foods - and have been for over 20 years, in great health! Thank you Dr. Campbell
Thank you PCRM for this valuable, life saving content.
Indeed
Thanks for the video. I have a question about is
gmo veg any problem if I skill animal base food?
Great true❤ Dr. T collin
I try to avoid protein isolates (esp the hydrogenated or hydrolised ones?), but i don't fret if i eat it once every 2 weeks. It's still not as unhealthy as meat, but it does drive up IGF-1 aswell.
I have yet to read the China Study, but I have followed Dr. Campbell for as long as I’ve been vegan-12 years! Thank you, Chuck, for interviewing a vegan legend in the medical field! 😁👍🏻👍🏻
It's a must read ! Such a comprehensive account of not just the science and but the larger sociopolitical issues around the subject of nutrition. Also, it really opened my eyes to the concept of 'scientific reductionism' and completely changed my outlook to nutrition research and science in general.
His most recent book 'The future of nutrition' also delves much deeper into these areas, particularly protein.
You said it, he is just a legend !
His book "Whole" is probably even better.
Yeah the China Study was biased from the beginning. It turns out that districts in China that ate meat were overlooked for more plant eating ones and then they showed the health markers of those districts. Turns out the health of the high meat eating districts had the same outcomes. Eating more plants made no difference in their health. It would be like quoting tobacco industry scientists to tell us cigarettes don't cause cancer.
If you were a vegan for 12 years, I can pretty much guarantee you have no muscle mass.
@@steviacandyman7892 where are you getting that from? Because it isn't true. They compared all the districts to each other to get a differentiation. Otherwise the data would be meaningless.
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I M big fan of Dr Colin and his books along with research
I love these guys! And It would be amazing if our community stopped perpetuating the misuse of the phrase “animal proteins” because animal flesh contains SO MUCH MORE than simply that single macronutrient which clearly is what has misled millions of Americans to ignore the cholesterol and hormones in that very same flesh that sickens them!
What else do you call it?
Geeat content one more thing as a vegan for years be careful with oils and nut butters etc keep an eye on your fat intake as you age because i didn't and my ldl was high after last blood test 😬 I love my plant based diet ill never change but I have started watching my fat intake. I hope this helps someone 🙃
Exactly. I fell into that trap as well. Now I have little oil,and have reduced the amount of nuts and seeds. Nut butters are often made with hydrogenated oil,the worst fat. I now make my own. Another thing to watch is hummus,some commercial brands can have 20% fat. Always read labels is my advice.
Thank you for this. I don't use oil for cooking and I don't have much more than a teaspoon a day of nut butter (I want to keep my Omegas up) but you're right - we don't need that much in the way of fats, particularly coconut oil.
@@gmr1241 Yes,avoid coconut & palm oil.high in sat.fat. If you can ,use high oleic peanuts.
@@simonalexandercritchley439 Thank you - I'll look for the high oleic peanuts - I'd heard of the word oleic but didn't know it was a variable.
@@gmr1241 use chia and flaxseeds to keep your Omega 3s up
Also proper food combination and choices....that a big deal as well.
A question not asked and should have been is "How much protien should be consumed at different stages of life 1 to build muscle (because physical excersise building muscle increases hdl). 2 to retain muscle". Most science says .8g per lbs of body weight slightly more if you want to gain as well as retain when we get older.
When will this podcast interview Dr Ben Bikman?
Has anyone tested plant based eg low fat vs plant based no grain/higher nut/avocado? That would be very interesting,
Vegans don't care about ACTUAL studies in a clinical setting, they prefer biased "studies" which leave contradictory data out of it.
Love This information!
And looks like someone in the back is wanting some attention too😂
I have so much respect for this man...
Your should, he falsified his research data and lied to the whole world.
@@SinologiaUWR Funny because every single vegan I know was able to replicate his scientific findings in their own personal life... with all the benefits he claims. Try it yourself for a few months before spreading rubbish that you have heard somewhere. Parot.
Our plant hero
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My remaining 2 questions: Seeking answers! While I want to recommend "all-plant diets" 'with confidence, I have a couple lingering doubts re. iron and EPA... (read on ... for my 2 questions):
1. many individuals who feel depleted seem to regain energy with a steak, maybe once a month. I observe these are [people with a collection of genetic markers associated with the type O blood type.] -- Could it be that there is some form of iron that comes from red meat that is needed for these individuals, who lack some enzyme perhaps unable to harvest the iron in dark greens? Should these type O's eat meat, not as a macronutrient food, but as a seasonal medicine, e.g. in the WINTER have one steak per month? I would so much love an answer to this lingering doubt I have.
2. Another nagging question I have is that some people (perhaps also type O's) are found to have SNPs that prevent them from being able to convert plant omegas to the needed EPA omega 3. Therefore they may have neurological issues (MS, depression, etc)
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One of my uncles smoked UNFILTERED Lucky Strike cigarettes for his entire life. He died at age 93 and only about a year before I got to see him ballroom dancing. And he was not stationery. He was clearly "leading" and moving around the dance floor - negotiating the traffic. He died from smoke inhalation but not from cigarettes but in a electrical-short-started fire that he clearly tried to
put out (being an engineer). The key is that he was smoking UNFILTERED cigarettes. The way mankind had smoked tobacco for the milennia.
I am NOT encouraging anyone to smoke. I have never smoked. Filtered-vs-unfiltered- may help explain why some people have still lived long lives while smoking.
God Bless T Colin Campbell - still offering his wisdom so many years later. I read his "China Study" book LONG ago and boy did my eyes open wide.
For other viewers, it is important to note that what Campbell is saying is basically what Dr.Walter Kempner was saying back in the 1940's and afterward. He was curing just about everything from cancer to obesity to diabetes to hypertension - in Durham, NC. A book on his life, written by one of his MD associates (of many years) says that Kempner based his treatment on believing that the liver and kidneys were being taxed greatly by excess protein from all sources. And this lead to damage, inflammation and the onset of illness. He was curing people with what was called the "rice diet". He chose rice for starch - instead of potatoes because rice was more ubiquitous worldwidethan potatoes. People traveled from all over the world. Of note was that he always focused on the worst cases and let his associates handle the rest. He was focused on saving lives and learning more and more. Some of his HBP patients would have HBP measurements of 300+ over 200+.
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The only use for protein isolate in my experience was to buffer the terrible withdrawals from psychotropic drugs. It was the only way to be able to function.
What do you mean?
@@kidsandus8061 I was given drugs for depression. They were addictive. Coming off them was a debilitating nightmare. I had to take protein isolate 4 times a day to buffer the withdrawals. Protein isolate binds itself to pharmaceuticals as they drop into the bloodstream and carries them safely out of the body. As these drugs are expelled they mimic the illness they were prescribed for. Twice during the first few months of leaving them behind I was extremely suicidal. The protein played a major role in helping me survive the ordeal.
Dr Campbell is 87 and sharp as a tack.
probably because he does eat nuts and seeds, unlike mcdougall and his wife... who are not looking so sharp :( people please eat a little bit of fat on your high carb vegan diet... this zero fat thing is very dangerous, despite the fact that high carb plant based is the way to go - for sure! just don't omit your omega's entirely... ba-lance!
Great and lovely man! Vegan forever!!!
No, Vegan for a couple years until you start to suffer, then you either choose to live by eating meat or you keep dying slowly.
@@steviacandyman7892 Sorry but am still alive and kicking at 61 and thriving too! So is Dr C Campbell it seems!
@@natgarrison2300 - I said dying slowly, which is not the same thing.
@@steviacandyman7892blabla bla, whatever, get a life and get over it mate!!
Can you talk to this doctor about stomach acid and microbiome I noticed as I've gotten older and I've had two c-sections that my stomach acid is low very low and my digestion is compromising the nutritional deficiency in my stomach eating things they do not digest very fast in my stomach because of my microbiome in my gut and I'm not getting the nutrients I need so I'm having to throw magnesium and potassium and be complex in my stomach with your bad for you because of the synthetic and additives that are in the pills and you don't know which one to take and a bit frustrating so can you talk to the doctor that I'm sure it has years upon years of wisdom of research about what can we do about our stomach acid because they cause many diseases in our bodies along with the food but low acid is a common denominator for disease thank you
People who live long lives and don’t need to be so diligent with nutrition probably have inherited a strong constitution from their parents. Childhood in the early 20th century was vastly different from 21st century childhood vis a vis chemicals in the environment to plastics to speed of travel etc.
Can someone please direct me to a source that defends plant proteins are absorbed just as well as animal proteins? My husband strongly argues we need animal protein because plant protein goes through our system too fast.
I’ve done the wfpb kickstart twice so far, but stopped when my lab work came back anemic. It could be due to other factors. I also have severe GERD and food allergies that limit my diet. Thanks for any advice or direction. 😊
What does " goes through our systen too fast " mean? I thought proteins were broken down into amino acids that our body uses to replace ect . I'm not sure where speed comes in.
Buttercups: you and your husband should watch the documentary called The Game Changers
@@jimdimond2374 thanks I will definitely check it out! (Let’s hope I can get him to watch too!) I did find a doctor online answering this question about protein absorption, but unfortunately my hubby didn’t want to hear it.
@@buttercupslightningbugs8089 The game changers highlights athletic performance from a variety of different athletes (NFL, fighters, Olympians, etc.) and the relationship with food/proteins.
@@jimdimond2374 I started watching it - very interesting!
What about Non- GMO ?
Holyyy this guy is old but sharp
‘Forks over knives ‘
‘ the world peace diet ‘
‘How not to die’
‘The China study’
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How not to die, written by a doctor that has no real patients who looks like he is about to die himself.
Question: does Soy (phytoestrogens) harm male hormone balance? Can it contribute to gynecomastia? Many men are afraid of soy
I have a playlist called Meat is Manly...watch it
Why isn’t a protein just a protein regardless of the source. In other words, why is animal versus plant protein unhealthy? I have read the China Study and don’t dispute the observations and conclusions. However, what causes the health differences? Is it the fat etc. in meat or the fiber or other good stuff in plants. Or is it the abundance of particular amino acids, e.g. leucine and its association with cancer growth? I wish Chuck had asked this question.
Just as you said. Meat overloads us with amino acids, way more than we need. This in turn drives up IGF-1 which tells our body to grow and heal. But when you're done healing and growing....all that's left to grow are cancers and bloodvessels facilitating those cancers.
@@11235Aodh Yes but ... you can overload with protein on vegan diet - for example, having excessive soya and pea powder smoothies. What is the cancer risk of a vegan that eats 200 grams of protein per day?
@@rowvegan Vegan doesn't equal health, powders aren't food. If you eat a whole foods plant based diet you can't overload on proteins :).
Nothing wrong with meat.
Cholesterol and saturated fats in the meats and animal proteins are what make them unhealthy.
So in response to talking about living to be 90 or 95 I ate meat for all these years and at 57 have a swollen leg and have Lymphoma already
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When you use the term "protein" here I assume you are referring to the food which contains the protein not the protein in and of itself?
Interesting educational video about animal proteins
Or good health versus bad health 😊
Missed opportunity. Everything rehearsed in this talk has already been stated countless times. The conversation would have been far more worthwhile and rewarding if had tracked the developments in the last two decades between opposing camps: different approaches to veganism, including fasting protocols, revisions/admissions in the established teaching of government and academic authorities, and the rising popularity of low carb and keto programmes (I can't imagine any low carb proponent being challenged by this interview). In other words, the history of ideas.
can anyone help me: is there the same difficulties in fish? my question is can we take a little bit of fish in daily food? or fish also harmful for human health?
Fish is very heavily contaminated nowadays because we use the sea as our collective toilets for industrial waste. So from that point of view fish is not healthy either. Other than that, fish seems to be a bit less bad than meat, but still bad.
I used to eat only fish. Watch Seaspiracy and do research on how disgusting seafood is and how bad it is for environment and how cruel it is for fish.
I left as soon as he rated the health value of meat from 0-1. And the guy behind is busy eating processed foods and a milk. lol
I eat both; lots of plant protein and very little to moderate amounts of animal protein.
I used to do that too....nothing wrong with it I think. I was afraid of not getting enough protein when I started to weight train at 57 about 3 years ago. Then I came to some sensible conclusions after some investigation. One was that I wasn't going to be an Arnold Swazenegger and two was that I could get plenty of protein in plants for what I was doing. It helped my to transistion completly plant based.
@@patrickokeeffe4787 I just like meat; I don’t eat much but every bite is a treat. I’m from a family of numerous centenarians on both sides, all meat eaters; no guarantee that I’ll live that long but I’m almost 70 and I’m healthy, fit, and not on any medications.
@@1drummer172 Excellent....and long may it continue 👍
@@1drummer172 I’m in your boat. While I’m on board with the health benefits of plant, I’ve experienced better digestion, increased energy and a stronger immune system, I also enjoy some meat and seafood once in a while.
The claim that animal foods play a key role in cardiovascular disease and cancer is not very well supported.After consulting the original data and having it analyzed by a professional statistician, we conclude that a large study in China that The China Study is named after does not support the book’s claims.
What plants have amino acids?????
All of them.
@@SMABEM what amino acids does kale have
@@SMABEM of course plants have all the amino acids, but unfortunately humans don’t have poly gastric GI tracks like cow, horses to absorb the amino acids from plants
Dr Gabrielle Lyon and Dr Layman have done multiple studies and research as well on this subject. Their findings contradict what you're saying. I'm going to do what works for me and so should everyone else. No discussion.
Links to the studies?
If it's not peer reviewed then it's not worth my time. You're exhibiting confirmation bias.
@@ej923 Do your own research. Who are the two people I referenced? For crying out loud.
@@ASMRyouVEGANyet Whatever
I wonder Phd endocrinologist doctor Ray Peat, who is in his 80ies, still working and doing podcasts helping women to balance their hormones, suggests 120g daily consumption of protein for ladies ! (Eggs, milk, cottage cheese, fish) for efficient weight loss, free pms life, no menopause symptoms . This doctor has helped thousands of women to regain their health, balance hormones etc . He does not have a single brown aging spot on his face. He avoids any PUFA, eats fruits, carbs (no digestion irritating ones), lean protein
So it’s very controversial info .
One endocrinologist.....one. Also, 120mg protein is a LOT. And it doesn't specify where it needs to come from. I can get that much protein from plant foods.
@@ASMRyouVEGANyet read Ray peat books New-letters… then u will understand … he is not only PhD endocrinologist but also microbiologist
Dr. Chuck, can fish protein cause cancer?
Are you fucking serious? It is insane to blame an ancient food we have eaten for 200,000 years for modern diseases.
Much unintentional bias would believe because it is seen that he is an honest scientist in his speech supporting his theory . Knowing that it has never been possible to establish causality between cholesterol and cardiovascular accident besides not being so , it is rather the quality of the vascular endothelium the primary cause .
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why they live so long, what you have to look at what they were eating when they were much younger growing up this is what supported the immune system. For instance my wife she grew up eating a lot of fruits in the countryside and today she is 57 years and she do not suffer with no medical problems.
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Oh good lord.
I owe Dr. Campbell gratitude for directing to heal with plants over doctor meds and surgeries.
If we Chomp down only on plants, will doctors still chop you up? No, eat plants and escape.
Folks say nutrition and health is complicated.
The Garden of Eden with variety of plants are common as -
seeds, fertile soil, water, sunlight and warm days and nights.
Is this the reason Noah and Methuselah lived almost a thousand years.
Yes, they hearkened to GOD like everyone else can serve.
Can doctors and preachers be wrong?
Genesis 1:29-30 -
Eat heal from Gardens
Thank GODALMIGHTY
So much noise in the background.
Protein chasing is one of the most harmful things we do.
He’s 88 years old! Most people that age can’t remember what they had for breakfast - & he rattles off statistics & scientific evidence like it’s nothing!
Many can SURVIVE on a very bad diet, but is that what we want? I'd rather THRIVE!
I believe in plant based living but still wonder about the need for B 12……??
Any extreme is bad. A plant is no different from all meat.
How about fish?
Love fish.
@@kidsandus8061 👈trolling day and night
Yeah, I will try to focus on eating natural foods instead of man made foods.
Me too. Meat is good.
What plant will give me iron.?
Spinach , Dark leafy greens , collard greens , Kale , Broccoli , Cauliflour just to name a few ..:)
Unfortunately, there are no trials that compare the longevity and health of exclusively animal protein eaters and plant protein eaters. Without such evidence, everything is speculation based on one’s biases. Currently, the only study of exclusive animal protein eaters has shown remarkable health benefits. Time will tell if that translates to longer lives. I believe it will. By all means shun animal protein if you wish, but don’t denigrate it on the flimsy associations Campbell and other vegan ideologues cite and base their lifelong reputations on. To say animal protein is toxic ignores the 4 million years or so we have evolved consuming it. It’s just lunacy.
But the organizations that promote plant-based diets are not vegan ideologues. They're just doctors and scientists.
@@ASMRyouVEGANyet Ha! Pull the other one.