EICMA 2023: Kove 800X 4K
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- EICMA 2023: Kove 800X 4K
This is my video from the Kove stand at the EICMA 2023 show in Milan, Italy in November 2023.
I first found Kove at the show last year, and off the back of seeing the 450 Rally, I ordered one. So far, this seems to be a good decision. So I was interested in visiting them this year and having a good and proper look at the Kove 800X, 450RR and the other models on display.
I continue to be impressed (even if the 165Kg is a little optimistic for the 800X Rally. If it is accurate, I shall post an apology here!)
Thanks for watching!
#EICMA #EICMA2023 #EICMAeffect #Kove #Kove800X #Kove450RR #Kove450Rally @KOVEMOTO - Auta a dopravní prostředky
We need to remember that BMW, Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki, Yamaha and KTM had far more resources than Kove and could have made these bikes that we've been begging them to make for over a decade and they chose not to, preferring to sell us their heavy and expensive mid size and full size adventure bikes.
Yup. It’ll be interesting to see how this unfolds, especially with new offerings from Royal Enfield and CFMoto in this space. I know they aren’t Rally bikes, but they will be cheaper and far more accessible and road friendly which is what people may be looking for.
I disagree: look at the Yamaha T7 Tenere and tell me they haven’t just copied that. I do, however, agree that most other brands should have catered for the ‘simpler’ side of the market a long time ago.
@@veedub1762 - I didn't realize the Tenere 700 had three entries in the Dakar Rally this year and all three finished. People have purchased the T7 for serious off road adventure riding because manufacturers wouldn't make the bike we *really* want but they always upgrade the suspension, get an aftermarket exhaust hanger so it doesn't snap on the first big bump, etc.
@@veedub1762 I think the T7 started out simple, but was still quite heavy (202kg I think) with poor suspension. I know most folks that it mattered to upgraded and now Yamaha have the T7 extreme edition. They’ve also added electronics and the price has risen accordingly. I think the Kove is lighter and with more power, but I think the price will determine where it sits. If it’s cheaper, particularly if it’s significantly cheaper than the T7, then if you think a copy is making a bike with more power, less weight and better components for a lower price then I can see why you think it is. I’m not so sure, but that’s just my opinion.
Thanks for your comment. I was referring to the 800 ADV from the video, which looks like they took the T7 design (including the 'dodgy' exhaust hanger you mentioned). Now the 450 Rally, that is an awesome bike and very much Kove's own. Two different bikes. I agree that the T7 needs modding for more serious offroad use. I own one.@@Liberty4Ever
THOUSANDS BRAVO TO KOVE FOR THIS CONSTRUCTION!.. 🎉
Yup. Fine work indeed.
The Kove 800 pro rally is at the top of my list. Thanks for covering the Kove stand brilliant
Good choice!
I cannot see the footings for the passenger
Loving my Kove 450 Rally, but that 800X is tempting.
Yup. Same. I already asked James about them...
holy f'in shi7, between CF moto and Kove next year is going to be all about decisions - those bikes look amazing and that 450 mx bike is coloured to perfection, damn the market is finally opening up - welcome to the game
It's great to have a bit more choice. May it keep the others in check.
There is a big difference in thinking between these two brands.
CF moto builds nice looking bikes, low price, well equipped.
With KOVE, it is all about saving weight. Kove 800x standard is 183kg ,and cf moto 800mt is 231kg..
For any serious adv rider, this can be a big difference
yeah, i don't care about the massive heavyweights, this would be about as heavy as i would go personally, so far as cf moto bikes though, i really like the look of the MTX 800 concept(ktm 790 in a new dress) and the MT? 450- these are the reason i mention CF as both look great for someone like me - oh and the MTX is definitely not thinking different to this 800x - they are both targeting the same audience 🙂, their big tourers look sweet but interest me about as much as DE800 or gS , tiger etc, none basically
Really like the Kove lineup..especially the 800’s. Great video & thank you.
Thanks for watching!
Your EICMA reviews are I think the best and most detailed, thank you.
Thanks. I think they're ok, and I cover some stands that others don't. Not sure about best or most detailed though, but I'll take it. Cheers.
Wow epic line up from Kove , Will they come to Australia , We can only hope.
I expect they will eventually. It seems they are almost a victim of their own success. European approval has only just been received so they now need to support those markets if they can make enough bikes.
Have to completely go through ADR & testing compliance. Will probably take 26 weeks
First the Kove 450 Rally and now this 😃🔥 Excellent! Beautiful looking motorcycle 🥰
It is. I look forward to trying one.
Your coverage is excellent, thanks!
Glad you enjoy it!
The single most important change on that 450 Dakar bike is the new engine (which I guess will be available on the street version too). I believe its head is loosely based on MY21+ CRF450R, but Kove managed to simplify that Unicam design even further (CRF450R head has two axles for mounting rocker arms, one for the exhaust and the other for intake finger followers; Kove eliminated the intake side axle by mounting the finger followers onto the exhaust side axle instead).
To be honest the price bump on the race model of only roughly €5k is kind of to my surprise, considering all those exotic materials they used to produce some of the parts and the engine being built from scratch (in contrary to the current engine, which is a modified version of an existing design).
Thanks for that!
Kove have a bigger range than I thought, they already make the bigger KTM engines and are really stepping up with products and quality, but time will tell if they are going to stand the test of time especially here in Australia, or will they just remain a budget bike builder. Certainly adds some competition to the market as the world's top manufacturers go mad with the ADV bike scene.
I agree that the big names refuse to listen to the market so Kove have kind of filled that void for the moment.
I noticed the Kove 800X PRO has dual front discs whereas the standard only has a single front disc brake. Thanks for the video very good insight.
It would be great to see some tests of these bikes in the near future when they become available. 👍😎🇦🇺
3:29 So the Rally/pro version has less weight and more power than the standard version. On one of the Italian channels, there was an interview with the president of Kove at EICMA, who, using the example of Kove 800x Rally, explained how they achieved such a low weight. They made everything they could out of aluminium, including for example the mirrors, which are always steel, parts of the frame, various clamps, literally everything they could was made from aluminium. In addition, from what I understood, the Rally version, has a different engine map with more power, around 90 horsepower. At the same time, it seems to me that with this more power map, the bike does not have road homologation in the EU so it will be sold with a standard map, with the potential to be unlocked after purchase.
9:18 I don't know if this will help anyone, but in Poland one dealer has given prices for several models. All prices include 23% VAT:
450RR - 32900 PLN
450 Rally - 42900 PLN
800x - 42900 PLN (no information which version )
Correct. The rally version will not have homologation but we'll be sold as a race bike. The engine will not have the catalyst and the silencer will be more free.In addition the rear subframe will be bolt-on and made form aluminium. Forks will be 49 mm closed cartridge. Prices will start from 8.990 eur for the base version to 12.500 for the rally. Very interesting.
@@andreafurlan4369 Thanks for the additional information, I must have misunderstood the translation from Chinese to Italian and then to English :) Without the catalytic converter the engine map won't matter, the Rally version will certainly not have EU homologation. Also, the lack of a catalytic converter shows where further kilos were saved, probably about 3-4kg.
Thanks for that. All good information!
What do you think of the durability of aluminum parts? Don't mind it on mirrors but engine frame?
@@kylejohnson8401 Frame will be steel for all versions. Only the rear subframe of the rally will be in aluminum. As the motocross bikes uses. The side crashbars also will be alu, in all the versions.
Job well done, thank you for the update!
Your welcome. I think I have 30+ more to come.... Just another day filming at the moment.
look fwd to them very much!@@PeakMotorcycles
Great coverage. Thank you. That 800 looks awesome 👍🇦🇺
Thanks 👍
Re-bonjour,
Je ne me lasse pas de revoir les vidéos sur la Kove 800x : croisons les doigts et prions pour sa prochaine disponibilité...en France continentale et Outre-mer (Martinique...).
Yup, should be later this year subject to homologation.
I have two Kove 450's and will have two of these.
Two? Some people can’t get one! 🤣
excellent styling. Love it
They do look good. And not just a copy of something else.
Very interesting Kove review! Many of us are very excited and hope to find a dealer with the bikes in the USA.
I'm most interested in the 800X but the 500X looks pretty good too.
The big thing for me is the weight, the real independently confirmed weight, ready to ride with or without gas.
It would have been nice if they had followed KTM's thinking with low mounted fuel tanks because makes a big difference in how heavy the bike feels when you ride it, and especially when you have to pick it up...
I look forward to being able to try one. Someone else mentioned that the Rally is so much lighter because it was an aluminium alloy frame instead of steel, which I guess would account for a 20kg difference.
@@PeakMotorcycles The frame is probably some of the weight difference but the steel frame is probably under 35 lbs and an alloy frame would be not much under half of that so there has to be a lot of other much lighter parts used. The truth will come out when owners put their bikes on the scales.
No matter, it is a stunning bike and many of us are very interested in buying one!
Well impressed with that 800
Me too. Enquiries have been made...
US prices are going to be 13K for the rally, and 10K for the adventure. With the rally version being notably lighter. Supposedly the bikes presented here at Eicma are their final form. US release summerish.
Yup, saw that. Not sure which I’d go for… maybe the standard. The rally version has weight savings wherever possible, which is great, but the standard comes with tubeless wheels, a double disk at the front (maybe needed for the extra weight?) and set up more as an adventure bike. It’s still quite light for its class, though not as light as the Rally.
I like the looks of this bike. Will wait for it next year
Same.
Overall excellent looking midweight adv bike!
I hope to be reliable and quality, and of course to see it soon in Europe!
Yup. I've asked the UK importer about that. No homologation yet, and I don't think it can come in under the enduro rules like the 450 Rally.
@@PeakMotorcycles PersonaIy i am interested only for 800X, which it looks awesome.
If I am not mistaken curb weight includes all fluids. Their website says 185 kg and only lists the non pro. It's wild that two of the bikes (Kove 450 is the other) I am most excited about are from the same fledgling Chinese motorcycle company. Thank you for the videos!
Yup, Curb weight is with fluids and 185Kg is pretty good. 17kg less than a T7, but with 20hp more...
@@PeakMotorcycleskove 800x rally is 14 kg lighter then basic version, so...169kg with fuel
Bonjour .
Kove semble être bien parti pour suivre la trajectoire de Toyota : produits qualitatifs correspondants aux souhaits des utilisateurs et prix raisonnables . La passion en prime.
Leur succès sera notre satisfaction 👏
Wow, their range escalated quickly. Look like some pretty exiting formulas there.
Definitely. Most stands have one or two new things, but it's rare that I'm interested in nearly everything they are doing.
Credit to Kawasaki's ZX4RR to get Kove and apparently CFMOTO making sub 600cc inline 4 sports bikes. I hope Kove's 450RR turns out great and CFMOTO finishes up their 500SR.
Yup, there are quite a few of them around this year. The Aprilia RS457 looks brilliant too.
Nice overview of Kove.
Thanks
Nice bike, that 800. Not sure about the weight, we'll see ;-) The shift gear looks vulnerable like Aprilia's Tuareg 660. Kove is a brand that could shake up the motorcycle industry with fresh ideas (like your 450 Rally). What they need are good importers and many dealers. Please have a few more videos on your 450 Rally, lovely bike. Günter/Nürnberg
Thanks. I will.. Unfortunately I've not been home much lately between California, Spain, Morocco, now Italy and then Switzerland, back to Spain, home for a bit and then South Africa. And yes, I am exhausted 🤣
@@PeakMotorcycles You are a busy man. If you need a break - Christmas time in Nürnberg is quite romantic. You could stay with us. Cheers, Günter
I'm currently in south America and am seeing dozens of Chinese brands I've never heard of before here. The bikes are really cheap and the dealers are on every corner. Assuming no trade restrictions or anything like that I can imagine the Chinese establishing a dealer network faster than most expect.
@@masa88x Hope so. Only in Europe it seems to take ages for them. No trade restrictions. Maybe the established importers want too much and the Chinese offer them little, who knows.
It's great to see a chrome moly frame on the 250 Enduro,steel frames are seriously underrated, not sure how the new Triumph 250 MX bike frame will go, but with the rider input maybe they have finaly designed a decent alloy frame as most are far too rigid.
Yup, am not sure when it’s available to ride though.
Never heard of Kove before but it seems like a pretty impressive new competitor on the EU market.
I'd only heard of them for the first time last year. And I bought a 450 Rally off the back of seeing them at EICMA this time last year. They still have some interesting bikes to come.
The 500 range look exactly like the benelli 502’s the naked and the trk, the 800 looks great as do the smaller cc naked bikes
Maybe they are… (I sometimes who makes what when there are shared models…)
Do you know why Kove are not going to be at Motorcycle Live in a few weeks? Is there a UK dealer where I can see bikes? Thanks for the great videos!
There are a few dealers with bikes to see up and down the country. They are on the Kove UK website. If you're near the Peak District, you're welcome to see my 450 Rally. www.kovepower.com/#/
If the 800x is even 190 kgs kerb (the pro version with the tubeless spoke wheels) and it comes to India, I'll definitely consider one. Product might be good but the after sales service will be a big question mark in a big country like mine. CF Moto has a very small presence here but not enough.
Sounds like RE have the market pretty much covered then...
Twin front discs on the pro , look nice bikes
They are!
The 800 is great looking and hey the low weight, that’s going to be a winner
I think it will, yes.
2:02 i can see a quickshifter there
Yup. Not sure if it’s standard or optional. Either way, good to know it’s available, though in this class i think it has to be.
Wish they would have done the 450 but in adv package. My baseline is my modified Honda Rally 300 and it wins because of the 155kg curb weight. I want 40 ish HP, up to 170 kg adv bike. Who needs 100 HP off or on the road? The CFmoto 450 MT might be it, wish it was 15 kg lighter.
I’m sure a bike like that will come in time. I guess the Kove 450 Rally doesn’t do what you need as an adventure bike? I have both a modified CRF300 Rally and the Kove 450. The only thing the CRF300 could do that the Kove doesn’t is take a pillion, though it’s not that bike’s strength and I never have.
It might be good to know for everybody watching this that this is the KTM 790 engine in this bike there. They seem to have made their own left and right covers for it, but the castings are definitely those of the KTM 790 motor.
Thanks. I guess that's the same as the motor in the CFMoto 800 MT then?
@@PeakMotorcyclessame base as 2023 ktm 790 and cfmoto800mt..but there was some work done by kove in the head department and clutch. Mapping also. It is not a direct transplant
I have the Kove 500X, AKA Lexmoto 500x, and to be fair it’s a good bike.
Good to hear!
You covered the 800x super adventure last year EICMA also.
Hope it comes to Europe and in the lighter metallic green they have in their promo videos.
I did, but that was quite short. This year they had the standard and also the Rally version with the alloy frame, so I thought it was worth a look. As you could probably tell, the video is about all bikes on the Kove stand, I just included 800X on the thumbnail as that was the stand image I used.
@@PeakMotorcycles do you know if it also comes in that lighter green they use on the promos? Looks so much more stylish in that color. And will they come to Europe?
Looks like a possible hit. I would certainly like one.
Wow, didn’t know they had a full line of bikes.
They had some of these in EICMA '22 too, but back then none were available in the UK but all looked interesting. Only the 450 Rally has made it to these shores so far, but I'm hoping the 800X comes next year.
My friend is an 800x owner, and this car is like a monster on the street with very strong torque. Like the 450rr, it requires a long waiting period to be delivered due to its high sales volume😂
Thanks, good to know. I guess I'll have to wait then!
My worry with the 800 is the foot pegs will be too far back in relation to seat position for tall riders, pointing toes to the ground. I was disappointed to find this sitting on the Norden 901.
I'll have a look next time I see one. I don't recall them feeling too far back, but I wasn't really looking out for it either.
💪😎💪
Thanks
Nice to see a design without corners being cut. The first bike looks amazing with it's single disc for weight and a perfect looking seat. Shame about the no passenger pegs on that model but that doesn't appear to be it's purpose. Impressive weight for a twin. Hopefully Ducati can put that new single into a bike like this.
That would be great. Ducati are getting into MX and Enduro too so perhaps that will help them bring a lightweight adventure bike to market.
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Thanks
Thanks for the updates, one bit of advice: Sometimes you're a bit too close to the bike with the camera
I know. Unfortunately it's been so busy here, even on the press day, that to stand far enough away means that people just walk in front and a 10 minute video takes 20 with the reshoots. I've been thinking about replacing the ZV-1 with something that has a wider lens so that I can shoot more in the available space. You do have my apologies though, if you think it's annoying to watch, it's even more annoying to shoot and not have an easy solution to fix it.
@@PeakMotorcycles Dont worry, love the content. Was just a word of advice, but your point makes sense
Many interesting models there. Some of them are starting to show up in US and I'd like a look at the smaller dual sport and like the 500 scrambler and adventure models. Seems like they are lining up against/targeting similar Honda models? Makes sense - worked for Hyundai when they targeted Honda Accord to start off.
Interesting comparison, though I'm not sure if they see Honda as a competitor. The 800X is a level above the Transalp, and perhaps more of an 890 Adventure or 900GS alternative?
Will the motorcycle be sold in Austria?
Unknown. Once they are production ready, I guess they will need EU homologation. After that I guess it will.
My friend is dealer for Kove and he just test 800X in Tunisia .I wait for his report.
What did he or she think?
@@PeakMotorcycles I'm sorry i have no info becouse he is still on a trip in Tunisia. I will ask him when he will be back and tell you.
Hey, can you do a specific Kove 450 Rally, (EU legal version) EICMA-Video?
I've left the show i'm afraid, though the bike they had on display looks like the same model as last year. I have a UK spec 450 Rally at home. Do you know what, (if anything?) was changed for EU homologation? If you do, I can check my bike for those things.
the pro 800 had "TCS" decals the first 800 did not, probably some kind of wheel spin or skid stopping adjustability nuisance . did'nt see an ABS ring on the 250 or rear pegs so that may allow it a bit of leeway, looked like a trail level up over the CRF . I do raise my eyebrows a little when manufacturer can not print the weight correctly , did you get to weight your 450 by any chance. good overview Thanks.
Hi, Not yet, but I was going to get some pallet scales and rig up an 18mm board so it's easy to push bikes on to weigh them. When I'm home for a while, I'll sort that out. Thanks for the extra info.
Thx for the video. Somebody claimed, that one can not stand properly on the 800, because your foot touches the exhaust. Can you confirm this?
I didn't find that. But then I wasn't looking for it either. It felt pretty comfortable to stand. Kove seem pretty good at design, so I doubt it would get to the point of a production model that you can't stand on. In their promo videos there is a lot of standing and they do just fine. Do you recall who the 'somebody' is? Was it a competitor who is worried about losing business?
I am sorry, I watched so many videos and read so many articles, that I don´t remember. If I do, I am going to answer to your video here. Thank you. @@PeakMotorcycles
Hi Andre, are you really intending to switch from the 450 rally to the 800x (rally?)? So the 450 rally is/was not what you've looking for ;-)
I have a few bikes, 10 at the last count, so though I’m trying to maintain a ‘one out, one in’ policy, I expect I can have both. I also have a BMW R1250GS, a Honda CRF300 Rally, Honda CT125 Trail, a RE Scram 411 and others, so for the Koves, I’ll probably keep both…. Terrible I know! 🤣
If they price it right it might be a good bike. Few comments that I have - T700 weight the same dry ~186kg, it has less power though, at least on a paper. And here I would really like to see somebody put Kove 450 on Dyno to verify 51HP claim, which is great claim, but form videos I have seen a lot of people complain that it doesn't feel like 51HP, so really waiting for someone to do dyno run. Additionally it seems that OEM 800 skid plate is attached directly to engine - which isn't ideal if you are doing any kind of non-paved roads. But if the bike is popular enough aftermarket might come to rescue - similar to Transalp, that doesn't have any decent mounting points from factory.
Thanks for that. I’ll see if I can dyno my 450. As for the bash guard, it is an unusual mounting, but then the Aprilia Tuareg has it bolted to the exhaust which I thought wasn’t great but I’ve yet to see any complaints of a broken exhaust from a big hit on the bash guard.
I'm curious about the 800adv bikes.. but we won't see them here in the USA
I think you will, it’s just a question of when.
@@PeakMotorcycles you never mention the price on either version.do they not have price available yet?
@@gabrielkopp2036they don’t but even if they did, which prices do you think I should provide? British pounds, Euros, US Dollars, Swiss Francs….? The problem with prices is that they vary from country to country and they change over time too (but I can’t go back and re-edit the video for price changes). The best place to ask is the importer in your country. When prices are available they will know what the on the road price will be with local taxes and registration costs. You have my apologies.
Does anyone know whose 799 dohc is in the 800x rally?
I think it’s based on the KTM 790 engine made by CFMoto but I expect Kove have tweaked it.
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Wow, if that thing is even 165kg dry it will be on my list.
Yup. The Rally version has an alloy frame and they’ve saved weight wherever they can.
thanks for these awesome brand-focused videos, but is it pronounced "Cove" or "Ko-vay"?
I've head both, so both! In English, I think it would have an accent on the e if it was Kovay. It doesn't. So my guess is that in English it's pronounced like cove... I'm probably wrong though! 🤣
Price of the 800 , any idea ?
I’m afraid not, but rumour was around the same as the standard 450 Rally for the standard and for the 800X Rally a few k more. (For the alloy frame)
Time will tell
It will. And other manufacturers will also respond in that time. There seem to be a lot of new variations on the T7 at the moment. It'd be great if they came up with one that was 20Kg lighter...
Pro has twin discs😃👍🇬🇧
Thanks
A 450 Kove with 800cc motor. I like what I see except for the useless side "handlebars". They are definitely not crashbars. I doubt these bikes will have any aftermarket support...
Oh. Why do you think that? The Kove 450 has pretty good parts and support in the UK and US with new dealers coming along regularly. I think if they sell enough, the dealers and support will follow.
The Kove 800 rally have the subchasis in aluminium, the pro is iron
Thanks! That would explain the difference in weight. I wonder what the price difference is.
Nice coverage, but please include a few seconds of the specs in your clips. Thanks.
I’ll see what I can do, though they aren’t always up, particularly on the bigger stands where they have all the colourways, and specs are always available on the websites where they are maintained by country (and for changes and corrections)
My next motorcycle. T7 replacer
I guess that’s its nearest competitor? Mind you the T7 is a great bike!
T7 is amazing. But this one is much lighter.
@@PeakMotorcycles I ride T7 from '19.
All the manufacturers should fear kove there causing a stir..
I'm hoping they learn from them.
Are you completely in love😉
No. I'd like to know the real weight. And also to have a bar for a GPS above the dash. And to know if I can get pannier frames for it (not for their metal boxes, but for my own luggage). I'm sure there will be a whole host of other questions and issues when I get to ride one. That said, it's a strong start.
sell it with cruise control. then ill buy it
Does it not come with that? (I didn’t check, but I’d be surprised if it didn’t). If it does I expect you’ll be getting one then?
Like you said, middle-weights these days are as heavy as heavy-weights of less than a d3cade ago.
Kove seem to understand the uniccorn trail bike idea.
However, until the chinese stop their support for Russia, I will not touch anything from them.
I understand that, but it is also quite difficult, when so many things 'made' by other countries are manufactured in China.... Apple make the iPhone and Macbook pro's over there. Even phones made elsewhere often use chips from China. Bikes made in other countries also have components or even steel as a raw material from China, so it's quite hard to know.
Ok, who wants that 321cc 2 cylinder engine in an ADV 135kg bike?
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I'm a big fan of KOVE overall. I love the style, look, and can- do attitude displayed by the KOVE bikes. I'm tired of the Xenophobic attitude the West displays towards all things Chinese.
Yup, there’s a bit of that around. Mind you, the same could be said for Japanese and German bikes in the 50’s and 60’s and people changed their minds over time.
Yamaha Tenere 700 become the benchmark on every mid-capacity engine (500-999 cc) adventure motorcycle released by other manufacturer.
IMO the low-middle-heavy weight adventure bike category are incorrect, we should categorize it by it's engine capacity, then it's capability to do light to heavy/very technical off-road course.
What else would you put in the same category as the T7? Tuareg 660 perhaps? KTM 690? Transalp 750 maybe? The T7 might be a benchmark, but is it the top in anything?
@@PeakMotorcycles yes, I’m agree the Tuareg 660, KTM 790 and TransAlp should be in the mix, add the VStrom 850DE, BMW F750/850GS.
I guess the T7 hit a sweet spot between on/off-road capability, weight, good engine performance, reliability, and it’s engine sound :)
Add the relatively simple electronic (I think only available ABS ON/OFF), no engine mode/riding mode, the pricing relatively lower than the competitor on the basic model.
They look great, but they're Chinese motorcycles, so how about reliability and parts availability after a few years?
Yup, valid points. My experience of owning one of the early 450 Rally’s is that parts are available now. I guess their success will determine the longevity of that service, though the engine parts are widely used across many bikes that share the Zhongshen 450 single, so that should be easy. Fuel tanks, bodywork etc. might be the challenge long term but we shall see.
CHINESE 😀😃😄😁😆😆
Yup. They are. Mind you, so is my iPhone....
Looks like an Africa Twin rip off
Does it? I thought it looked more like an 850GS. I think it looks a lot slimmer than an Africa Twin. Much less bodywork.
won't do communist china bikes
Fair enough, but you know a lot of other things are manufactured there. Not sure where you’re from but do you apply the same rules to things like phones and laptops?
I admit, some things you cannot avoid, but Chinese owned companies I do avoid because every dime goes to communists.@@PeakMotorcycles
Africa twin knockoff
If it is it’s an AT that’s been on a diet 🤣. The current AT is 226/236kg, and this is 185kg (if the specs are correct)
I think knockoff can’t look that different
Ha the best thing is is they are absolutely anything but a Honda knockoff!
@@kevinarmstrong478The styling is
Tubed tyres are a bummer. Wire spoked tubeless rims and tubeless tyres are the right approach. Looks good!
TFT looks ridiculous! Royal Enfield 's TFT looks a thousand times better.
The one on the himalayan? It does, though it also looks like a conventional dash. The 'tablet' dashboards seem to be common on quite a few bikes now.