FULL MATCH | MA Long vs Felix LEBRUN | MS SF |
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The focus of ma long under pressure is just amazing, you can see him keeping calm, reflecting on the points he made and taktiks on the next ball then starting the serve,… respect!
epic match! 34 years of wisdom versus 17 years of audacity
yep. eh, ho, ip, heh - :)))
Trés belle image bravo
34 is nothing! A man is in his best shape at this age, just give credit to this genius of felix
@@Rob93WLR one chould simply find the average age of the top 5 during the last 20 yrs to confirm on refute your statetement
@@andreika6681 like a said A man is in his best shape at this age, yall are just to fanatic.
Talking about audacity… but this boy Felix is top 5 in the world and the best server in the world give him the credit properly.
Ma Long is still the dragon!! Felix was way too rush in the final game. Then, this is the experience.
Bientôt au niveau des gars en rouge.
Le quatrième jeu était exceptionnel.
Le revers de Félix est aussi beau que le coup droit de Ma Long.
Bravo de l’avoir fait douter.
Je sais pas si les gens s'en rendent compte mais Félix est un gamin de 17 ans qui tient tête à un trentenaire qui a dominer la discipline pendant des années, c'est juste incroyable en fait. La marge de progression est folle. Il sera plus fort que Ma Long on en reparle dans quelques années.
I appreciated that at the end Felix accepted the loss in an humble way. Ma long is superior to him right know. But Felix is still young, he has still so much to learn in experience, he will become far more stronger than now in a few years. He should not be in hurry. Ma long is at the end of his career, he deserves some last trophies.
Obviously you do not play tt. No matter how much exp Felix will learn, no matter how strong he will be, he will not be able to dominate tt world like Ma Long, not even close, simply because he plays pen-hold. Do not get me wrong, I play pen-hold as well, so I know it. The ceiling of pen-hold is right there, no matter Felix, Qiu Dang or Wang Hao, the limit is there compared to shakehand, I mean you can play pen-hold very very well, but again the limit is there for the time being.
So I mean maybe some other young player would be close to Ma Long's career (though very less possibility), but not Felix as a pen-hold player, not any other pen-hold player so far as I can tell (I watch almost all important tt matches).
@jtack64 I did not say he will achieve more than ma long, I mean stronger than the present ma long, not the old one. I agree with you that Ma long is one of the best player of all time and that Felix will never be able to win as much as him.
@@jtack64
Nope man
Pen holder CAN REALLY STRONG
and also MORE FLEXIBLE
MUCH STRONGER THAN WHAY YOU CAN EXPECT…
The key is HOW YOU RE USING YOUR WRIST POWER It’s a HIDDEN power
The penholders griping is short so it is more FLEXIBLE while handshake griping is relatively long and easily to GENERATE MORE POWER on the FAST SHOTS
so …they re both got their advantages
TO BE GOOD OR EVEN ELITE IN MASTERING PEN HOLDER IS MUCH HARDER THAN THOSE USING HANDSHAKE 😂😂😂😂😂
You assume there is a limit because it was never done before, but Felix can become the greatest penholder of all times.@@jtack64
Felix is probably thinking "Good game. I'll get you next year. Just a matter of time, old man" 😁
Ma Long qui a 34 ans, deux fois les 17 ans de Félix, a été champion du monde ... à 17 ans ! Beau match.
Deux fois--incroyable.
@PhilippeFraboulet-qp1se Oui et ? Que veut tu démontrer ? Que Félix est français et donc bah voilà quoi, il mérite plus qu'un chinois. pvs31 n'avait rien dit de mal sur Félix il rappel juste quel monstre du tennis de table est en face. Après c'est vrai que nous français quand on pisse contre le vent c'est lui qui change de direction.
Sinon Félix le passera peut etre la prochaine fois , il progresse et Ma long lui perd un peu de niveau.
Felix is wiser beyond his years. Ma is the greatest technician and reader of styles around. The old fox can still get his goodies but Felix is getting closer.
Felix is no Harimoto. At a younger age, Harimoto had already beaten Fan Zheng Dong, Timo Boll, Ovtcharov, Ma Long, and tons others, and won the ITTF championship.
and ?@@linalg8425
@@linalg8425 In fact, Harimoto had defeated by Xu Xin 8 games in a row and got no win, so don't think about he would win the ITTF championship at his younger age. You can find the records yourself.
@@MrFreezebook21 Name another Chinese top player Harimoto has not defeated.
Felix really rushed the last game. He needs to learn how to slow down and focus on last game. He has all the skills to win, and Malong has to dig deep to win this one. Last time Chinese lost gold in Olympic was also to another famous penholder.
This is not going to happen in Paris. The last time, it was Wang Hao losing to a Korean penholder on mental term also. Wang never lost to him before or after, so it was a total fluke.
When victory is in sight, people often make silly mistakes or perform below their normal abilities.
@@user-yg31415 fluke is a difficult word, i look it up in dictionary, why not use accident
It also happened vs Zhou Qihao, very dominant 4th game then getting crushed in the decider. I guess it's hard for him to prepare for these high stakes games since there are so few players that can outplay him, at this point he's the best western player, and maybe the best non-Chinese, tied with Harimoto (though you could consider Harimoto a Chinese player aswell i guess)
Ma long was in his head, Felix psychologically was not able to beat him
I've rarely seen Ma Long so agitated - he really didn't want to lose to this French kid playing Chinese penhold. To see the pressure getting to Ma Long was actually quite weird. In the end experience and guile got him home. They played in Budapest last year and Felix just failed to take Ma to five sets - he's getting closer! Ma was expecting a tough match and that's what he got.
+ also the public who clearly destabilized Felix at crucial moments
Felix is way more than a kid ....one of a Generational super talent . Choose your words carefully next time wally billy .
Not only the crowd was unrespectfull to Felix, Ma Long kept interrupting almost every serve. I understand it is in the rules, but he should keep up with a normal pace, not hold his hand up for like ten seconds when he just had a game break. I think it's not good sportsmanship.
Not very good sportsmanship for Felix to literally yell and shout autistically either@@Mark_GL
@@celzolsen8988 it is part of the game, felix and harimoto and all other players are perfectly entitled to their right to scream.
Mr. Lebrun's game was so refreshing. And mr G.O.A.T was just phenomenal
I wish that Xu Xin have not retired, so that I can see Felix vs Xu Xin. I think Xu Xin will likely win because he's the Cloud Walker, but that will be very exciting to see.
Xu Xin did have one weakness though - he learnt to play the RPB but he wasn't as good at it as Felix. If Felix had played him and drawn him into backhand rallies, he would have buried Xu Xin. As I remember it, Xu Xin would try to get around the ball and play as much on his forehand as he could and sometimes against the very best opponents that was his undoing. For sure it would have been a fascinating tactical match.
@@Wally-H RBP used to be his weakness. But by 2019, he managed to improve his RBP. His game became more complete and he managed to destroy ML a couple times. Also, Xu Xin's touch game is much better than Felix and it will be a lot of unpredictable shots for him to deal with given the fact that Felix right doesn't as much experience. Hard to tell if he will be able to adapt to that. The one reason that Harimoto could beat ML but never beat Xu Xin. Sadly, we will never see this match.
x@@pham1020 Yes I agree with all of that. Great player, miss watching his games.
if xuxin in his prime, felix is no chance. but now, felix could win
@@Wally-H Xu Xin is a lefty so the matchup would be very bad. No matter how good Felix's backhand is, if Xu Xin is ripping his lefty sidespin forehands from way behind the table at him, Felix won't be able to do anything. And even with Xu Xin's backhand being his weakness, he could still use that thing with deadly precision and power, and Felix's forehand just isn't delevoped enough to win against Xu Xins backhand from behind the table, and especially his step around forehand to Felix's forehand. I think, at least in their first encounter, Felix would lose 0-3, or 0-4, whatever it is, Xu Xin was just too crafty and consistant. Maybe in future encounters, but Felix plays quite similar to Harimoto and we all know how the matchup was between those two (harimoto and Xu Xin)
Феликс! Молодец! Супер! 👍👏👏👏Так отлупашить Ма Лонга и заставить его поволноваться, это даже не важно, выиграл ты или проиграл. 👍 )
Малого даже не знал как ему ещё поддаваться😂 что в последней партии вообще перестал играть, от чего у леброна конкретно коленки затряслись😂 даже через сетку не мог перекинуть
It was a long trip to the inner city Lanzhou China for European players. I hope the LeBrun brothers enjoyed the tournament there and gained a lot by playing with top Chinese players.
Actually Lanzhou is much close to the Western Europe compared to Suzhou, Shanghai, Beijing, FYI.
They certainly enjoyed their title in the double event :)
Bravo Felix! Un très beau match avec de la belle technique et une rage de vaincre face à un Ma-Long désorienté par ce style de jeu. Mais bon... le bonhomme a tellement d'expérience. Ce n'est que partie remise.
Ça me fait penser à un djokovic alcaraz
Trop de précipitation dans le dernier set dommage , mais quel semaine de felix , bravo champion, et bravo a alex qui a fait une belle finale en double
Felix is great player, strong mind & will be the champion in the future.
Incredible! Felix is a future world champion for sure
great match between the old generation and the new generation
Bravo Felix ! Match tout à fait prenable !Quelques ajustements à faire au niveau mental et du jeu dans les points importants pour arriver en final, voir gagner. Il ne manque pas grand chose je pense.
Il arrive a lui grappiller des sets et niveau technique c est énorme surtout en prise porte plume Ma Long est un énorme champion
Si seulement les Lebrun pouvaient cesser toute leur comédie de cris incessants...
@@user-vi6md7jk8iSi seulement tu pouvais réussir une seule chose dans ta vie.
Honorable game for Félix . On both sides many points were done on services , good show.
Ma Long has been playing tt as a professional player for 18 years and Félix Lebrun is only 17... Maybe the difference in experience partly explains why Félix lost this match. Well done to both players and thank you both for this match
Really great match because both players continually changed tactics. Lebrun had trouble with Ma Long's serve throughout; if they play again expect Lebrun to adapt to the serve. Ma Long raises his hand before receiving serve to slow the match in irregular, not regular patterns: this definitely had an effect and was presumably a planned strategy. Ma Long also carefully used only a few times the super biter serve with maximum downspin, sometimes with sidespin, and also used this on some short pushes. The heavy spin is easy to read because it hops off the table shorter or moves sideways, and so is not used that often as it is easy to read, but LeBrun netted a few of these with the result that he didn't have the best net clearance margin on some other "normal" serves and pushes. Expect in a rematch that Lebrun will definitely read these heavy spin serves no problem, so we look forward to a rematch.
Ma Long's supersonic forehand, that does not rise from table when struck, but hugs the table, was missing from this match. This small difference had only a small effect but probably worth a few points. The forehand was still great, but we didn't see his extra gear, probably just a bit stiff.
Nice analysis!
It's already a common sense amongst pro TT players to slow down Lebrun brothers' rush serve. Rush serve is the brothers' strategy.
So well worded! Will keep paying attention to your analytical, familiar with the matter paragraphs. Could you share a few words, if you will, regarding a vision of the TT battlefield through the glasses versus through the contact lenses?
If you can’t adapt during the game then don’t even think about next time.
"Lebrun had trouble with Ma Long's serve throughout; if they play again expect Lebrun to adapt to the serve." - well Lebrun had trouble with his serves in their last match
Incroyable match !
Ma Long a du sortir son meilleur niveau pour remporter la victoire. Felix est très prometteur et à 17 ans, il a encore une énorme marge de progression.
Bravo !
we said similar things when Harimoto was 17.
and?@@greatzto
@@benoit5225et rien...
@@benoit5225mais le talent et la marge de progression sont bien là. Reste à travailler le plus possible. Ce petit fera vraiment partie des tout meilleurs.
@@greatzto but Lebrun is not Harimoto, just look at his brother Alexis, when he was 17 nobody knew him he was just playing in France’s 2nd national division and was over the 1000th world rank. Now at 19 he is in the top 20. So Felix might still make a lot of progress even though he already progressed a lot earlier than his brother
It's unbelievable that 34-year-old ML still can defeat 17-year-old rising star. Felix should be much stronger in the very near future, but I still expect to see how the GOAT solves all the puzzles from Felix.
Great match👏👏. Challenging for both players.
Ma long a tremblé. Il a changé de strategie en dernière partie du jeu, car Felix a la capacité de lire rapidement les faiblesses de son adversaire. Felix a une marge de progression énorme. A suivre!
Franchement, là, je dis respect Félix. T'as trop la classe mec! Et ton revers, c'est de l'atome spiné
Awesome work Ma Long!! Felix was also strong for sure 👏👏👏
Ma Long is the GOAT. Period
Lebrun brothers should play in the chinese super league
Exactly what I was thinking. I bet they'd beat almost everyone, except for the top of the top, i.e., Fan Zendong.
@@ramonbmovies Except: FZD, ML, WCQ...
@@wellbeingsupportAlexis have already won against FZD. Felix has the talent to defeat them. At least to compete with them.
@@antoinefouble9004 The problem is that there are many top Chinese not only one and you have to beat a few in a row to win a major title. Yes, he beat FZD and then lost to ML. Because of this, it's very very hard for nonchinese to win a major title.
Seria um sonho, ver felix contra xu xin!
Continue a apprendre Felix...❤❤❤❤❤
Ma Long -top level!
We are proud of Félix here in France !
That RPB of Felix is real powerful.
Bravo Felix, dir gehört die Zukunft, Bruder !
Фантастическая игра Феликса!!! Жаль что в конце уступил психологически
С драконом что, болен?
Психология тоже была виной, но и Ма игру свою изменил - все таки опыт у него колоссальный
@@engineer_ufaДракон болен возрастом..... Увы....
Дракон, уже весь травмированный, без мотивации, а молодняк всё равно его выиграть не может
Мне кажется, что Феликс специально слил последнюю партию... Наверное, увидел, что Ма травмировался и из уважения отдал матч. ИМХО.
how about using description section to give some info&backround about the tournament and the match? not everyone is a table tennis pro here.
I’m assuming TT doesn’t have a play at the server’s pace rule like tennis.
Ма Лон очень силён и опытен.
Феликс пока не может его передавить в решающие моменты
Felix had a mental breakdown at the end. Too bad for him, but I hope he will learn from this experience.
Continue tu es sur la bonne voie.
Yeah he looked resigned to losing halfway through the final set and he made several mistakes but he's only 17 years old. As he matures mentally he will become very hard to beat.
Великолепная игра МА ЛОНГА. Просто шикарен ЛОНГ во всём в свои 34 года и травма правого плеча Ма Лонга не помешала ему как тузик грелку порвать соперника. Было видно с какой болью МА ЛОНГ последние два сета провёл
Малонг на 10% сыграл и без проблем выиграл
Nunca habia visto a Ma long tan complicado y que alguien que no sea chino le gane 2 sets ....Felix le podria ganar en unos años mas.
he is kind of old now,not in his peak
Felix gave a present to Ma Long in the last game. Most points of Ma long was Felix's mistakes. Lost mentally
Lebrun's left arm during his FH is wild. Totally counterproductive.
what do you mean? Yes, his forehand is a bit weak, but what does it have to do with his free hand?
GG felix very nice Game
1:54 "漂亮" Ma Long compliments Felix's shot.
Dommage, Felix est meilleur que MaLong niveau technique, mais il n'a clairement pas eu le mental pour le dernier set. MaLong a su gérer son mental pour le mener a la victoire. Très beau match des 2 joueurs. Felix doit encore travailler son mental.
Ma Long the goat
The Dragon!
Go Alexis ! ❤
Felix, kid! I'm such a fan of you! But the last game you just got nervous..To become invincible, you must first defeat yourself! That's what my martial arts teacher, the great master Kim In Ho, used to say! I wish Felix luck and great victories!
Ма Лонг на опыте 🎉
I appreciate Felix's energy, but he absolutely NEEDS to slow down his game, he is too enthusiastic and it cost him the last set while Ma Long had no problem playing at his own pace what a great match
there isn't only one way to play
yea but only one way to win, so...@@user-eg3rz1yx2s
No, he knows he's got a stronger stamina than all those old farts, now Dima knows he's too old, Ma Long was already out of order at 4-2 in the 4th game and completely let the things go out of his control because he knew it was impossible to deal with that speedy kid. Back in the day in the 90's, you had to play more rallies, more points, with less water break, witrh no one raising his hand for nothing before receiving the service. It was true duel, like the WTTC 93 final: 1h03 to play 190 points ! and only 4 water breaks... They do not only raise their hand because they can't read the serve or want to play a mind game. They all do this because after 3 games they're all let with no gas in the motor ! man... Gatien Saive and Waldner must be laughing nowadays...
old farts lmao@@joachimmahoudeaux8619
players in the 90s were running 3 times a week because they thoughts it was the best physical preparation, nobody do that now cause it's useless.That's one of the reasons@@joachimmahoudeaux8619
I'm hoping and praying Felix moves up into at least the top 10 as the next Wang Hao RVP player, a thorn in the side to Ma Long in the day. Robert at 68.
Sure he will
HE will definitely GO BEYOND world no. 10
Probably placed at world no. 3-5 WOULD BE HIS NEAREST TARGET
LET ALONE TO BE THE NO.1 first 😂😂😂😂😂
Estaba bajo control Félix en los primeros set pero observe su desplome en el último set fue más psicológico 😢
lebrun has talent !
LEBRUN TEAM :D i remember him since he played with ADAM
Феликс с лева.потрясающе
Lebrun, Ma Long... That plumpy chinese guy is a really star here! And I don`t mean Wang Hao)))
what happened at 17:55 ? why did he apologise ?
Great game. Felix should be N1 in the world in 2 or 3 years.
...or no.
Malon de best ❤
7:58 Ma long doesn't even know what just happened :D :D
The tiger vs the dragon
Ma Long a accéléré le jeu sur le dernier set avec des gros services.
Félix s'est fait surprendre, il a fait trop de fautes direct sur le dernier set.
Très belle expérience pour lui car il lui prend 2 sets.
Mais on voit le gros potentiel de Félix
Clearly something wrong with Ma Long, he looks in pain and extremely exhausted as early as the third set.
Clearly I thought no one else saw and observed this
Could be he is cov-19 vaccine injured.
What happen with Felix in the last game?
Impressive game
Mental strength. Felix missed a few shots, and then stopped committing and adding power and ended up giving away the game.
Ma Long's forehand is the greatest stoke in table tennis history. I suggest playing to Long's backhand when possible!
Oh, felix certainly tried to... Everyone tries to. But that is what makes Ma Long so difficult to beat. He makes it impossible to just hit to his backhand, because he will simply step around and smash with his forehand, or block/counter so consistantly with his backhand that you have no choice but to try to hit to his wide forehand. He has such a complete game, it is insane.
Gostaria de ver o felix contra o xu xin ❤
Felix its amazing your playstyle , keep it up! It's against fucking Ma Long and you did amazing shots
love life
Bad camera angle. Why would the production film from the side?
rhythm really matters. keep fighting neve give up. strategy adjustment.
Pourquoi il touche la table prêt du filet à chaque fois avant de servir ?
Felix 打法類似張本智和，都是調整拍面去彈打任何旋轉的來球，他們對來球的旋轉，判斷錯誤，就出界或下網，這種球除了快外，沒有質量，只要馬龍抓住，Felix 彈擊那種快速直球或彈擊那種快速下旋的命中率高，那麼，馬龍不會一再送出那種球讓對方彈擊。換言之，馬龍在第5局，調整了自己打球節奏和旋轉，Felix 變成不會打球了，因為他打球除了快外，質量和變化都沒什麼。總之：一位頂尖乒乓好手，除了快外，還要兼顧球的質量，旋轉和變化度。
Question: why now and then they touch/wipe the table? Cleaning?
pour évacuer la tension , le stress et la transpi ...
Really well played by Felix, I wish someone like Waldner would coach him
i hope xuxin can coach
That could help with tactics and the mental side of the game but I don't see what Waldner would teach him when their playing styles and even the grip they use are polar opposites.
@@Wally-HWell, he has a very deep understanding of the game, he even was credited by tennis player Tomas Johansson when he beat Andre Agassi, Waldner had noticed a pattern where Johansson tended to win the points and when advised, Johansson changed tactics and won. So I imagine the stuff he picks up in table tennis is far above what grip someone uses. He also has a lot of experience as opponent to pen holders.
Félix, la bête noire des chinois à présent !! Nous sommes tous avec lui pour les JO2024 de Paris...
17yo that's insane
Felix needs to stop the rush serve strategy. It's already a common sense amongst pro players to slow down his rush serves.
I don't blame Lebrun playing away like this is hard
Is talking and saying 'hey' part of the winning strategy?
Interesting to watch the psychological aspect of this game. The Lebrun brothers are of course known for their unsportsmanlike tendency to hurry up the game and rush the serves while the opponent isn't prepared, and we've already seen cases of the opponents making a point out of this by being slow to receive (don't remember the exact game though, sorry, but in that instance the opponent was warned for not being ready). In this match we have a milder version of the same with Ma Long doing it to a lesser degree, obviously not to the extent of receiving a warning. He did catch Felix at (only) one time serving away while being unaware of his opponent. For another opponent I'm guessing his failure to be ready could have warranted a warning from the referee, but since everyone is aware of Lebrun's rushing the service I believe he was getting some leeway. You see Ma Long also taking his sweet time for his own services - hardly a coincidence but a way to disrupt the pace for Lebrun and get him out of sorts. Then you have Lebrun being very vocal for instance while Ma Long is getting ready to serve - various loud encouragements that almost seem as much directed as his opponent as himself. It seems these things are now part of every day table tennis at the highest level. I, for one, blame Harimoto at least in part for this development.
I think you got it right. I too have noticed all that circus of voices and shouts that the boy does before the opponent's serve is really annoying and makes me dislike the two brothers a lot.
I also noticed on more than one occasion that Ma Long looked at him in confusion until in the third set he too started to let out his voice.
winning the 4th with 11-4 and the losing the 5th with 2-111 its all in the game ..second lost from Felix with 2.3 in one year ,but he has bettervresult than his brother Alexis against ma long
why do they place their hands near the net sometimes? for swear maybe?
Lebrun doing so well until throwing away the last round. 17 years old, sky is the limit. Felix believe in yourself you can beat Ma Long! Slow down once in awhile, dont let your pace disturbed.
Ma Long certainly tried to slow him down.
I wonder how tennis table there are in China...(and in France why not..) a 1000 to 1 ratio ?
Man, Ma Long's body language was pretty horrible early in the match, I think I even noticed that in the third set. He looked exhausted and helpless. It's a miracle that he managed to win this.
Опыт помог Мо Лонгу в решающий момент.
"Ma sends it long." Me: *snickers*
Can anyone explain why Felix apologized at 18:06?
didnt seem to be a net nor on the edge, strange
For being lucky because Malong hit the slice
it's something players know when they play the shot ,i think he dont really hit the top of his racket but the way he play his shot on the extremely powerful ball of ma long was at the limit of physic possible and the shot was not in controll at all then weird ball for ma long
I also do not understand why some players apologize when their opponents hit the ball with the edge of their racket. It is not their fault, if anything it is the fault of the player hitting with the edge of his/her blade. Why should you apologize when your opponent makes a mistake?!
It means "sorry i won that point but i don't completely desserve it. I prefer win by my own". It's gentleman thing
Felix played a good match but I wouldn’t say Ma long brought out his best you could see something was wrong with him in pain and exhausted, I think the brothers brake the art of table tennis with these rush serves although they are legal serving is like meditation for precision and also allows opponents to set themselves fairly
Making sounds while oponent is preparing to serve is kinda annoying.
А что Лебрун всё время говорит ай ой???
expirienced long
Beautiful match, from both players. I however was a bit annoyed by the caster talking about how good ma long is on every point he wins but has little to say about felix's amazing performance during this match. It definitely felt like the caster was a big Ma Long fan.
It's Ma Long bro....
He's got a big rep.
Strong Play from Felix wow. GG
直拍反手出神入化，洋人能练到这个程度，非常罕有。