I love how in both movies, Bill never raises his voice even though there are times when he is clearly furious or upset. Not even once. What a masterful quality to have in a fictional character.
For me, David Carradine is completely irreplaceable. His performance and his figure is something else. His, was an enormous loss and we will never get this quality of acting again. Sean Connery, Christopher Lee, Marlon Brando, Al Pacino and Robert De Niro are also in the same category.
The Red Mage I’ll explain.... Superman cares very deeply for humans, and Clark Kent is an enormous part of his personality, if not the majority . 1) he was raised by human parents whom he loved and instilled him with basically rural Christian values of self control and helping others. 2) he is in love with a human 3) he dedicates his life to saving humans and even becomes distressed when he can’t help more. 4) The most damning evidence that Superman considers himself in LARGE part as Clark Kent.... and that is that deep down, it’s clear he wants Louis to fall in love with Clark instead of Superman. Why would he ever want that if Clark is just his fake alter ego? The reason he acts like a bumbling, incompetent fool is NOT because that is how he thinks of humans. His act is clearly a result of the fact that his entire disguise is a pair of glasses and a slightly different part in his hair. He obviously made the decision that he had to “put it on extra thick”, for everyone to completely dismiss the possibility that this guy who looks exactly like Superman, might actually be him. So, although cute and funny at first.... I find his monologue to be entirely off base....but I could be wrong🤷🏻♂️
Tarantino always has interesting dialogue. In a whay, glad this was David Carradine's swan song. He nailed this role good before he died. Went out (at least professionally) on a hi note.
He made 239 movies with 9 released after his death. That is just how much he hustled, he probably never got a stunning payday for any movie but he worked all the way up to the end. Also if you can ever find a picture of him shirtless he has cool ink.
I think most miss out on how Tarantino made Bill intentionally wrong. Superman is Clark Kent. He was raised as Clark, he grew up on a farm outside of Smallville with Ma and Pa Kent. At the end of the day, if Superman's powers were to disappear, he would still function as Clark Kent because that's how he grew up and has lived a good chunk of his life despite having godly powers. Sure, the Clark persona is exaggerated to keep folks off his back, but he still functions. Bill's mistaken assessment of Superman is in line with the Bride's. He doesn't understand that both Supes and the Bride are more than their persona. The Bride chose being a mother and will probably function just fine as one despite having a strong killer instinct.
He is equally wrong about Batman being Bruce Wayne. Bruce Wayne died when his parents were murdered. Batman is his true identity now and Bruce Wayne is just a hollow facade.
I think the reality is that regardless of the person in question you can't just put someone in one singular bubble. People are apart of a spectrum of labels. A person isn't just a drunk, isn't just a liar, isn't just a killer. They might drink, lie or kill but that's not just what they are, and most certainly shouldn't be how they are defined.
Actually Superman is Kal-El. He is blessed from birth with his powers when under a yellow sun. Clark Kent is the disguise he wears to blend in. Superman is the disguise he wears to help people without having to worry about someone finding who his loved ones are and putting them in danger. If he is just one of these characters then he is Kal-El. The persona that he rarely shows to anyone. I consider him to be all three.
of course but in reality Bill did not understand why Superman as Clark Kent acts different. He acts this way to protect his friends and family not to impress others.
i believe he hits kinda spot on, on the superhero part.. a alien from outerspace comes to this world to blend in knowing well enough he isnt one of them. his costume is clark kent. usually in comics its the person being the hero. dressing up as the hero, spiderman,batman etc. this just explains that superman being unique that his "costume" is a wimpy news reporter that doesnt know much but what he does. i dont know.. to me this makes sense.
dcaipto rafael not really but as I stated Clark Kent acts differently so his enemies will not attack his friends and family and will use him as a bargaining chip.
People are completely missing the point Bill was making... Superman’s destiny was to be Superman, not Clark Kent. Superman uses the Clark Kent alter ego to blend in with society and its somewhat his perception of humanity. Bruce Wayne’s created the alter ego Batman because it’s who he wants humanity to be: brave, bold, righteous but he only essentially does things at night because of the darkness that’s within him and humanity. Beatrix’s destiny was to be a killer which is why she was so great at it but she created he alter ego Arlene to blend in with society just like how Superman created Clark Kent. Yes Clark Kent was the name given to him by Joe and Martha but they gave him the name, not the identity. He could’ve been Clark Kent the movie star, president, billionaire but he CHOSE to be a bumbling, cowardly, weak willed journalist just like Beatrix could’ve used to skills to became a mob boss, takeover the Deadly Viper Assassination Squad or anything else but she chose to be some typical random housewife
Yes but a still a journalist for a major newspaper in a major city. A dream job for many people. If he wanted to be a true nobody he could have been an accounting clerk or some low level bureaucrat or something.
@@scottbennici4689many dialogue in tarantinos movies are far from "simple dialogue". I have been thinkin many times when watching qt movie, that who is that qenius behind those interesting themes and analyses in dialogues....first thing that put quentin A-class directors group, imo, was indeed that clever dialogues and monologues...
All the arguing in the comments. Fact is that this is a fundamental misunderstanding of what Superman is and what Superman represents. More importantly, I think it might be intentional. I hope it is, at least. I don't think Quentin Tarantino doesn't understand what Superman is, I think he wanted Bill to misunderstand what Superman is. This is a man lecturing an injured woman, the mother of his child, and biding his time before his eventual plan to kill her. This man is a psychopath, and this is the lens through which a psychopath views Superman. He wants to see the Ubermensch and he harbors disdain for mankind. Every villain is the hero of their own story, and here he is showing us that by taking a hero and warping it into what anyone else should call a villain. Superman is not Superman because he was born on Krypton. That's why he has super powers. Superman is Superman because a good man and a good woman in Kansas loved their son.
You fool. If you would have paid attention, Bill speaks of the *comics* He used to read which tells you what time period this movie takes place. In the comic books, Superman did not live on any farm with a bunch of old people. It was modern superman movies that added that little bit. Therefore, Bill is correct, because he lived in a time before these superman movies. *Logic*
Ryuk Shinigami idk where the fuck you get this from bc thats literally Superman’s Origin that he was raised in the farm since he was created decades ago
It is funny that you disregarded this well thought out analysis of superman as "a fundamental misunderstanding" and then bring up the most simplistic unoriginal and frankly stupid counter argument yourself that doesn't even disprove the point made in this video.
Clark Kent is who we are Kal el is who he is Superman is who we can be. he does see us as weak, but he embodies our potential as superman, he just has the strength to do it. its just that the writers take that literately and make him op. kal el's weakness is kryptonite, Supermans weakness is arguably his integrity, his inability to break the rules, morality and standards he sets for us all, including himself and this allows physically weak villains to exploit him.
I think Batman is more applicable. Earth is a tragic story. Batman/Bruce Wayne turned that tragic story into a heroic one. Like we can; if we try hard enough and never give up.
The Justice League was that example that Jor-El predicted. In every variation of Jor-El's talk with his son, it all says the same. That Humans will eventually be capable of the same strengths, smarts and ideals, because it's those traits that made Superman who he is, not his powers. That one day even the most ordinary of humans among most beings that have graced Earth in DC for better or worse would join him and continue the cycle of idealism. Without Superman: The core members of the Justice League even in their solo careers would still work in the shadows, instead of stepping out into the sun with him. Without the Justice League there'd be no Teen Titans, nor if not for TT there'd be no Young Justice. Just by example alone Superman has helped create 3 generations of heroes not even counting the subgroups in their wake like Outsiders and Titans East. And without them all, Humanity itself wouldn't step out with them. It's so powerful, that Superman's presence alone is enough for the people to stand behind him. This was what Jor-El predicted.
The most memorable speech from Carradine portrayed as Bill. How he, as a sadist and a masochist, twisted "human mythology" from the moral underlying narrative and switching the perspective into psychological pathology was just so cold and manipulative, trying to ram a psychological screw into Beatrix's head with the idea that she can never change as a malevolent killer. But ironically, that dialogue could also be Beatrix's conscious awakening of her own murderous ego and from that, awareness of the choice she can make with her life - which is what she wanted, but clearly not for Bill to which I suspect for his own psychopathic, sadistic and masochistic intentions.
I agree. And I think Hugh Laurie modeled his voice after Caradine when creating his character on House. The way he talks, phrases words and sentences in an American accent is pure Carradine.
Thing is, this sounds so compelling until you think about it. Superman's true identity is the farmboy from Kansas. He was raised human. He adopts the awkwardness when working in metropolis because how big he is. He is clark kent first, kal-el second. Bill's speech illustrates a shallow understanding of the character and in turn, reveals that Bill probably has a shallow understanding of Beatrix. Otherwise, he might have suspected she learned that move from pai-mei.
Not necessarily so. If you recall, Bill speaks of the superman *comics* which shows you the time period he lives in. I'm the comic books, superman is not raised on any farm, and brought up to eventually work in the metropolis. It is the movies of superman that add that little bit in. Therefore, Bill speaks true because they did not have superman movies in his time.
Agreed. Bill became wealthy probably from Esteban Vallejo’s brothel business and drugs maybe. He’s not a great a villain just because he has a damaged voice. O-Ren and Elle were better villains.
uh no even in action comics #1 the story where superman literally first appeared he was a boy born in kansas who and i quote "dedicated his life to doing good" after YEARS spent on earth
No. Superman has Always been a Kansas farmboy. Siegel and Schuster wrote him that way. And to this day, farmers tend to be the most decent people I've met. It's why they chose that over being the son of a Politician, business magnate, or even a Craftsman. Farming feeds the World, and That has been imprinted on Clark since he was a child.
When Bruce Wayne wakes up in the morning, he's Bruce Wayne. When Bruce Wayne puts on the cape and cowl, he's still Bruce Wayne. However, the alter ego is the billionaire playboy and the real Bruce Wayne is The Batman. The Batman is the outlet Bruce uses to let all his anger go; it is his therapy for the childhood trauma he lived through.
Bill is right about Superman, he just made it sound like Superman is actively judging and criticizing humans in a condescending way. Clark Kent is Superman being human, as he understands it. But he doesn't know what being human is truly like-- especially when it comes to the subject of confronting human mortality. Every time a human dies of illness or injury, Clark remembers that illness/injury doesn't apply to Kryptonians on Earth, and he's really Superman
+David Curry He did not make it sound like. He meant it. And that's obviously Tarantino's thoughts on Superman and comic books. You don't see scenes like these in other films. Absolutely love this scene.
+David Curry Yeah it's a great scene and expanding on your view, Superman doesn't really understand pain. He doesn't really feel it. Now and again he fight's super beings like Doomsday or Darkseid but pain is a foreign concept to him and he doesn't understand what a large driving motivator it is day to day. I don't think he actively judges humanity cowardly, just afraid to be hurt and so Clark runs from any threat.
HorusHeresy1982 I think Superman can understand "pain," particularly emotional pain, but he doesn't truely understand mortality and how a human's thoughts and actions are influenced by it
shafta99 Yeah, I don't really agree with most of the monologue. I don't think it was meant to be accurate, and it was mostly used to manipulate the Bride Even if he didn't have superpowers on Earth, Superman is not human, which is different than superheroes like Spider-Man and other superheroes who were born and raised human before becoming super-human
Although American Horror Story cant hold a candle to the masterpiece that is this movie, Bill's monologue reminds me of something The Countess said in season five: "We have two selves. One the world needs us to be - compliant - and the shadow. Ignore it and life is forever suffering.”
this speech was always sort of off. Superman's lived his entire life, brought up by decent people. This assessment that superman looks down on humanity as weaklings would be true if he was raised by some asshole. Clark Kent as a reporter varies from adaptation. sometimes he acts like a coward, like in the movies to downplay suspicions that he is superman, other times he is pretty reserved, choosing to settle things with diplomacy or intellect like in the DCAU continuity, but this doesn't mean Clark Kent is some guise for superman. Superman is a guise for Clark Kent to exorcise his superpowers to help people without being some 24/7 protector. To say superman has respect for humanity is an understatement, it would be more accurate to say that he sees himself as human more than a kryptonian. He's an Orc raised by High elves, Tarzan raised by apes, Mowgli raised by wolves, Worf raised by Terrans. He will yearn for that native side and want to dip into where he came from, but ultimately he'd more than likely turn down Kryptonian Cuisine for a Chili cheeseburger and a tall frosty shake from some Smallville diner
@@javierburgre2__147 Bill got it wrong, but I suspect that was on purpose. It shows he can't understand why a powerful person would choose a life of mundanity.
@Jurgan6 Not really, this is almost correct. His real identity is that of Kal el. Superman and Clark Kent are both personas he uses to navigate through life and on earth.
"Clark Kent was raised as an infant by humans for a stronger connection to earth than his Kryptonian roots, he hasn't been weak for DECADES in the comics (occasional writers notwithstanding). He's a reporter & an intelligent one at that. He's Clark Kent BEFORE he's Superman" -Linkara (Atop the 4th Wall) JLA - Act of God Part 02 review
This Superman monologue doesn't just apply to Beatrix Kiddo/ the bride, but it also applies to the whole deadly viper organisation. The assassins are actually Superman, and they become Clark Kents to assimilate themselves to the world.
Tarantino's dialog has a tendency to draw you in. Even though I came her just for this one clip, by the end I wanted to keep on going to the next scene. Not uncommon when I see these clips online.
In the original back story Clark Kent discovers his alien heritage and spends over a decade learning from the knowledge his father left him, this is the period where Superman's persona came about and Clark Kent was changed, during his youth Clark Kent thought he was a human who was simply gifted and acted in his usual manner at the time, but after the revelation and studying Superman became his true persona and Clark Kent was left as a mask for him to mold into something that would divert the eyes of people from who he really is all the while he hides among humans. The idea that Clark Kent is the true persona and that Superman is just a role he plays is very recent (90s forward) but it doesn't change the fact that Clark Kent is persona that hides his face with glasses he doesn't need, applies a hair style he doesn't like and has a posture and mannerism he never had before he became Superman. To this day Superman is the persona that shows to the world how he really is, full face revealed, standing up right, speaking clearly and confidently. No matter how much anyone says Clark Kent in the real persona the fact remains that Clark Kent is the guy who is hiding something.
yes but superman was ALREADY inside of clark kent he did grow up as clark kent. but that isnt who he truly was. thats the point he is trying to get at. for years he didnt know of his powers but he already had powers to begin with in the first place. he didnt know it. but his true identity he still had to hide in order to still be seen as human even after the fact that he didnt know for so long.
I think superman understands dying and pain perfectly fine. He's been weakened by various types of kryptonite many times, and he's taken Kara to train under a red sun where they have no powers. He is also not immortal, though he might live 200-300 years. He's felt emotional pain many times too.
This monologue demonstrates that Bill doesn't understand Superman. Superman is not a hero because he's Kal-El. Superman's a hero because he was raised Clark Kent. Bill almost has a coherent point here, but it breaks down because Bill doesn't understand that Clark Kent is who the character was raised to be while Superman/Kal-El is the gift he was born with . Bill clearly believes in destiny and all this nonsense. He's a romantic and deluded.
+Zwi@dowca Your "gifts" don't define you. Superman could have lived his entire life not letting anyone know his powers, just like people live their entire lives letting their talents go to waste.
Well that's the point. He's the villain. He's smart enough to give coherent reasoning to his motives and can even convince others, but he's still fundamentally wrong, because he'll always be in the mindset that people are predestined to be a certain way. This way of thinking most likely grew from decades of effortlessly murdering people and coming to the conclusion that he must have always been inherently superior to others and was meant for this. Beatrix proved him wrong by abandoning the life for her baby despite being the best killer. So he overreacted
Your comment demonstrates you missed the point to the monologue, hombre. The concept of "hero" never enters into the equation. He never celebrates Superman as a hero.. His statement is about true nature vs. society norms and what that means when one's true nature is a killer. There can be no distinction between what they are and what they do. And what they do is kill. Here's the thing: we're all told at an early age that we are the heroes of our own story. But that's just not true. All that trouble out there ain't gonna stir itself. Some of us are the bad guys. Some are born bad. Others turn that way. Either by accident or intent, it's just mathematics. I don't know if any of you are aspiring actors or writers, but if you are, then it's important - more so for writers - to take a beginning acting class for the purpose of understanding motivation and mining what's beneath. Point being, in an acting class, they teach you that if you're playing a character who is a "bad guy" the last thing you do is play "bad." In other words, a villain doesn't see himself as such. To the villain, it's the guy with the cape that's the bad guy. Follow what I'm saying? Bad people don't think of themselves as villains. Their motivation for murder and mayhem is just as pure as a heroes call for life and justice. In short, to deny one's nature - be it hero or villain - would be to live a lie and squander your natural talent. Quite frankly, there is nothing sadder than seeing someone reject their innate gifts. That's why Budd's character is so tragic. He's chosen to deny the killer inside himself. In order to do so, he has to live apart from society and work in a shitty titty bar that's has no customers. He surrounds himself with as few people as possible to avoid any "triggers" to his deadly instinct. We all know he could snap Larry in two, but he has to demean himself to a lesser man in order to deny what his nature tells him to do, which would be to fuck Larry up six ways to Sunday. Make sense?
Tarantino just did what Marvel and DC haven't been able to do in 948537598 movies IN 2 FUCKING MIN MONOLOGUE.. man this guy knows how to make film. great dialogue
Not at all. Bill's speech is actually a terrible representation of what Superman really is. People here have pointed out that he's most likely talking about Pre Crisis, but that's an outdated version of him that most people write off nowadays. Anyway, there are different takes on what Superman really is and how much of each aspect is truly more dominant, but Bill's take on him is one that I think most would disagree with. He essentially made Superman view us as weak/meak, but that's not true at all. In my favorite take (Greg Pak's run), Clark was very much a man of the people and saw himself as a human. Even SNyder got that right in MOS by saying Clark was a battle of Nature vs Nurture, where nurture won.
Jesus christ at first I tought this film was crap and never wanted to watch it, but watching peace by peace on youtube I became more interested on watching it and even think it is a good movie, not because of the fighthing and killing scenes but how the characters are developed over the film.
Poor Beatrix, it's not enough that she had to suffer being shot in her thigh, with a drug induced dart(Sodium Pentothal - enhanced), but she also had to listen & endure Bill's long winded nerd alert lecture, on the complex comic book mythology on 'the man of steel' & the analogy between herself & Superman - at the SAME TIME! She was probably thinking, midway through his spiel - " JUST SHOOT ME IN THE HEAD, WITH A STANDARD GUN - AND GET IT RIGHT THIS TIME!!!"
I wonder what the creative team working on Superman at the time felt when they watched this clip because for a while there the Superman comics were absolutely abysmal. Even the art was awful.
As you know, l’m quite keen on comic books. Especially the ones about superheroes. I find the whole mythology surrounding superheroes fascinating. Take my favorite superhero, Superman. Not a great comic book, not particularly well-drawn, but the mythology. The mythology is not only great, it’s unique…Now, a staple of the superhero mythology is, there’s the superhero and there’s the alter ego. Batman is actually Bruce Wayne, Spider-Man is actually Peter Parker. When that character wakes up in the morning, he’s Peter Parker. He has to put on a costume to become Spider-Man. And it is in that characteristic Superman stands alone. Superman didn’t become Superman. Superman was born Superman. When Superman wakes up in the morning, he’s Superman. His alter ego is Clark Kent. His outfit with the big red “S”, that’s the blanket he was wrapped in as a baby when the Kents found him. Those are his clothes. What Kent wears - the glasses, the business suit - that’s the costume. That’s the costume Superman wears to blend in with us. Clark Kent is how Superman views us. And what are the characteristics of Clark Kent? He’s weak, he’s unsure of himself, he’s a coward. Clark Kent is Superman’s critique on the whole human race. Sorta like Beatrix Kiddo and Mrs. Tommy Plympton…You would’ve worn the costume of Arlene Plympton. But you were born Beatrix Kiddo. And every morning when you woke up, you’d still be Beatrix Kiddo…I’m calling you a killer. A natural born killer. You always have been, and you always will be. Moving to El Paso, working in a used record store, goin’ to the movies with Tommy, clipping coupons. That’s you, trying to disguise yourself as a worker bee. That’s you tryin’ to blend in with the hive. But you’re not a worker bee. You’re a renegade killer bee. And no matter how much beer you drank or barbecue you ate or how fat your ass got, nothing in the world would ever change that…
Ben Williams Bill being the villain, can't conceive that a figure as powerful as Superman would ever pose as Clark Kent unless it was a farce rather than the Clark Kent persona being a choice that Supes is happy to use because he likes being human.
Its less that Bill is misinterpreting Superman because he's a Villain, and more because he's a cynic and a misanthrope. And it also says a lot about how he views Beatrix.
Here's a point I haven't seen brought up, everyone points out that he's mixing up batman and superman in relation to hero and alter ego, but this might be intentional, keep in mind that he is the antagonist of this duology. Think about how he describes Clark Kent "Superman's Critique of humanity" the only other person who has that process about him comes from the superman mythos, Luthor. Whenever he finds out Kent is Supes he is furious that he could not see what was right in front of him and thinks it was superman playing everyone for fools when it's more often that's just his actual personality. Now think about the interactions between him and the bride. "You think I'm a superhero?" "You're an assassin, you wake up one" ect. Much like Luthor, Bill believes he knows everything there is to know about her and is completely blind to what's in front of him. Up until the beginning of this she was an expecting mother and fiance, she was not " The Bride" until he tried to kill her and she "lost" her child. Bill believed her an assassin (superman) first, grieving mother and enraged woman (Clark Kent) second, but in actuality it was the other way round, and it's the reason he was never going to win, because he thought himself so smart he blindsided himself. The analogy isn't that he didn't get superman's character, it's that he was never going to understand The Bride's.
superman is the king of all superheroes, he is not suppose to be dark, depressing,alcoholic,psycotic like many superheroes are today...i understand why people think he is boring, but that is his caracter, he always does the right thing, that is why i felt safe at the end of the christopher reeve movies when he smiles to the camera, the childhood feeling that he was out there watchin over us
He is completely 100% wrong, if he was talking about Batman, he would be right. When Clark wakes in the morning, yes he has the powers of Superman, but he wakes up as Clark Kent, it is core to his identity. When Batman wakes up, when Batman goes to sleep he is batman, Bruce Wayne is the mask that Batman wears. Clark Kent ideally just wants to be Clark Kent, it would make him happier than anything on earth if his alter ego was no longer needed, on the other hand, the same situation would destroy Batman, he wouldn't know how to cope.
You're completely ignorant of the history of this character. The characterization you're describing came about only in the last 20 years. It's nonsense.
@@wrlord but even pre-crisis Superman never thought of humans as weak and cowards. Bill is wrong when he says Clark is a critique on humanity as a whole. Clark the version of the character who works at the daily planet is a disguise so no one knows who Superman is. The Clark who hangs out with his mother at the farm is the real guy and he isn't cowardly or bumbling.
this is probably my favorite series of lines in Kill Bill; Bill's Superman monologue is a very intelligent and well-put-together comment on the philosophy of Superman and of super heroes in general.
"No matter how much beer you drink, or how much barbecue you ate. .or how fat your ass got..." Bill loved sticking it to Beatrix (pun intended). 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣
no not at all "Clark Kent was raised as an infant by humans for a stronger connection to earth than his Kryptonian roots, he hasn't been weak for DECADES in the comics (occasional writers notwithstanding). He's a reporter & an intelligent one at that. He's Clark Kent BEFORE he's Superman" -Linkara (Atop the 4th Wall) JLA - Act of God Part 02 review
If Bill would be talk about Sabine Kenobi from star wars watch this: Bill: Sabine Kenobi was born a Kenobi. When Sabine wakes up in the morning, she's Sabine. Her alter ego is Amilyn Holdo. Her mandalorian armor outfit, that's the armor when the countess Ursa Wren get it her when Sabine was 12 years old before she escape in Coreilla. Those are her clothes. What Holdo wears - the dyed hair, the Gatalenta people suit - that's the costume. That's the costume Sabine wears to blend in with Leia in the Apprentice Legislature. Amilyn Holdo is how Sabine views us. And what are the characteristics of Amilyn Holdo? She's headstrong, she's unsure of herself, she's a serious but courage. Amilyn Holdo is Sabine Kenobi's critique on the whole galaxy far far away.
I like this idea however you have to also remember that clark kent is also a model citizen, honest, respectful, honorable, loyal and righteous. I can't really consider clark weak because he's unlike a majority of the croocked villians he fights against. Many villians give into thier weaknesses and become that which they are scarred by (they were abused in life so they abuse others for example).
Who abused Lex Luther and brainiac And darkseid if your talking Batman villains yea but most of Superman villains are greedy power hungry assholes look at like this Superman’s villains want absolute power the ability reign above all in which Superman can easily become his human nature is what prevents him from doing so and that’s why him bats are at different spectrums
Clark is who I am, Superman is what I can do. Superman is an Icon, Clark Kent is a person. That's the point Bill missed in his take on Superman. So no I don't agree with his views on supes but it is an interesting take on the character, coming from a cold hearted killer.. Bills view on Superman is misguided to say the least but interesting coming from a cold hearted killer.
Zipblockgory when superman came to earth he was superman/kal el he wasnt clark kent .the kents gave him that name when they found him he became clark kent .As he got older he became more aware of who he really was clark kent was and always is the costume thats the character that kal el plays to fit in with us humans because the reality is he's not human hes from another planet even tho he looks like one of us he isnt one of us . Bills spot on in his interpertation of superman .
In this scene we see that Tarantino doesn't understand Superman. Clark Kent is Clark Kent. He landed in Kansas and was raised as a normal kid. He will always be Clark Kent more than Superman. Ironically Batman is the one that fits this monologue more. When tied up by the lasso of truth and asked who he was his answer was "Batman." Bruce Wayne is his mask and his critique on upper class douchebags.
Its almost like Tarantino is making a villain make this point. Megabyer we are not supposed to agree with Bill here, because, you know, he is the bad guy
Clark Kent is not Superman's critique on the human race, it's merely adopting characteristics in sharp contrast to those of Superman. Bill admits as much when he goes on to say that Kiddo does likewise. It's QT being prosaic. He really does need a neutral pair of eyes on his scripts.
I love how in both movies, Bill never raises his voice even though there are times when he is clearly furious or upset. Not even once. What a masterful quality to have in a fictional character.
the most intimidating people never raise thier voice.
Reminds me a bit of Gus Fring
Lots of psychos lack empathy and normal emotional response.
This is a technique I still have to master
The truly powerful have no need to shout to show their power
For me, David Carradine is completely irreplaceable. His performance and his figure is something else. His, was an enormous loss and we will never get this quality of acting again. Sean Connery, Christopher Lee, Marlon Brando, Al Pacino and Robert De Niro are also in the same category.
I think he was not acting. It's just him being him.
You forgot Anthony Hopkins
Relax, they'll replace him with some uncharismatic pretty boy in the inevitable reboot.
Scorn Bass yeah just like all the other Quentin Tarantino reboots... oh wait he doesn’t do them
DeNiro is easily replaceable, but the others are spot on.
One of the top ten great monologues of all time.
AJ P Is what your opinion is.
You don't anything about comics. It is exactly the opposite.
Rodrigo Ezequiel Martinez Elaborate
The Red Mage I’ll explain.... Superman cares very deeply for humans, and Clark Kent is an enormous part of his personality, if not the majority . 1) he was raised by human parents whom he loved and instilled him with basically rural Christian values of self control and helping others. 2) he is in love with a human 3) he dedicates his life to saving humans and even becomes distressed when he can’t help more. 4) The most damning evidence that Superman considers himself in LARGE part as Clark Kent.... and that is that deep down, it’s clear he wants Louis to fall in love with Clark instead of Superman. Why would he ever want that if Clark is just his fake alter ego? The reason he acts like a bumbling, incompetent fool is NOT because that is how he thinks of humans. His act is clearly a result of the fact that his entire disguise is a pair of glasses and a slightly different part in his hair. He obviously made the decision that he had to “put it on extra thick”, for everyone to completely dismiss the possibility that this guy who looks exactly like Superman, might actually be him. So, although cute and funny at first.... I find his monologue to be entirely off base....but I could be wrong🤷🏻♂️
It wasnt completely wrong
Tarantino always has interesting dialogue. In a whay, glad this was David Carradine's swan song. He nailed this role good before he died. Went out (at least professionally) on a hi note.
Not speaking professionally, I am pretty sure he was high when he went out anyway. :)
Yeah man, this movie series wouldn't have been the same without him.
I stood behind him in line to buy a ticket to this movie. I imagine he was there to see something else.
Huge statement that just because a movie sucks, it isn't the actor's fault. Carradine did some amazingly atrocious b-movies, but this says it all.
He made 239 movies with 9 released after his death. That is just how much he hustled, he probably never got a stunning payday for any movie but he worked all the way up to the end. Also if you can ever find a picture of him shirtless he has cool ink.
I wish Christoph Waltz and David Carradine had a verbal sparring match in a Tarantino movie it would have been legendary!
Seriously.
Think you just made my next wet dream.
That’s a bingo!
You know I’m fond of, bingo games…but the mythology of bingo is…fascinating!
So just like that the whole universe would stop what they’re doing and listen lmao
I think most miss out on how Tarantino made Bill intentionally wrong.
Superman is Clark Kent. He was raised as Clark, he grew up on a farm outside of Smallville with Ma and Pa Kent. At the end of the day, if Superman's powers were to disappear, he would still function as Clark Kent because that's how he grew up and has lived a good chunk of his life despite having godly powers. Sure, the Clark persona is exaggerated to keep folks off his back, but he still functions.
Bill's mistaken assessment of Superman is in line with the Bride's. He doesn't understand that both Supes and the Bride are more than their persona. The Bride chose being a mother and will probably function just fine as one despite having a strong killer instinct.
He is equally wrong about Batman being Bruce Wayne. Bruce Wayne died when his parents were murdered. Batman is his true identity now and Bruce Wayne is just a hollow facade.
@@simle6010 Which is the reason why Bats and Sups are dycotomical to each other.
@@simle6010 so, bill is right: bruce wayne wasn't born batman. bruce wayne 'became' batman.
I think the reality is that regardless of the person in question you can't just put someone in one singular bubble. People are apart of a spectrum of labels. A person isn't just a drunk, isn't just a liar, isn't just a killer. They might drink, lie or kill but that's not just what they are, and most certainly shouldn't be how they are defined.
Actually Superman is Kal-El. He is blessed from birth with his powers when under a yellow sun.
Clark Kent is the disguise he wears to blend in.
Superman is the disguise he wears to help people without having to worry about someone finding who his loved ones are and putting them in danger.
If he is just one of these characters then he is Kal-El. The persona that he rarely shows to anyone.
I consider him to be all three.
i absolutely love this monologue.
of course but in reality Bill did not understand why Superman as Clark Kent acts different. He acts this way to protect his friends and family not to impress others.
i believe he hits kinda spot on, on the superhero part.. a alien from outerspace comes to this world to blend in knowing well enough he isnt one of them. his costume is clark kent. usually in comics its the person being the hero. dressing up as the hero, spiderman,batman etc. this just explains that superman being unique that his "costume" is a wimpy news reporter that doesnt know much but what he does. i dont know.. to me this makes sense.
dcaipto rafael not really but as I stated Clark Kent acts differently so his enemies will not attack his friends and family and will use him as a bargaining chip.
well of course he has to act differently thats his costume? the alter ego? the one that has to act like he cant do anything.
the best
People are completely missing the point Bill was making... Superman’s destiny was to be Superman, not Clark Kent. Superman uses the Clark Kent alter ego to blend in with society and its somewhat his perception of humanity. Bruce Wayne’s created the alter ego Batman because it’s who he wants humanity to be: brave, bold, righteous but he only essentially does things at night because of the darkness that’s within him and humanity. Beatrix’s destiny was to be a killer which is why she was so great at it but she created he alter ego Arlene to blend in with society just like how Superman created Clark Kent. Yes Clark Kent was the name given to him by Joe and Martha but they gave him the name, not the identity. He could’ve been Clark Kent the movie star, president, billionaire but he CHOSE to be a bumbling, cowardly, weak willed journalist just like Beatrix could’ve used to skills to became a mob boss, takeover the Deadly Viper Assassination Squad or anything else but she chose to be some typical random housewife
Antonio Brooks, eloquent and profoundly articulate response!
Antonio Brooks it’s not his perception of humanity it’s to be the total opposite of Superman
Yes but a still a journalist for a major newspaper in a major city. A dream job for many people. If he wanted to be a true nobody he could have been an accounting clerk or some low level bureaucrat or something.
I think we all got the point.
Also, Superman is the only one to be like that.
thank you, you hit the nail on the head
I am getting more convinced that Bill liked to talk or... hear himself talking.
Definitely. He could have been a great professor lmao
Your not wrong, Bill clearly enjoys being able to talk.
Goddamn Quentin Tarantino is the master of film dialogue.
Jarred Knox no, people say this because it’s incredible how his style of ordinary, simple dialogue is so interesting.
@Jarred Knox don’t be silly. No one can write like Tarantino. This video is proof. You’re a fool
@@scottbennici4689many dialogue in tarantinos movies are far from "simple dialogue". I have been thinkin many times when watching qt movie, that who is that qenius behind those interesting themes and analyses in dialogues....first thing that put quentin A-class directors group, imo, was indeed that clever dialogues and monologues...
"Euphoria?" "NO!"
"Too bad."
All the arguing in the comments. Fact is that this is a fundamental misunderstanding of what Superman is and what Superman represents. More importantly, I think it might be intentional. I hope it is, at least. I don't think Quentin Tarantino doesn't understand what Superman is, I think he wanted Bill to misunderstand what Superman is.
This is a man lecturing an injured woman, the mother of his child, and biding his time before his eventual plan to kill her. This man is a psychopath, and this is the lens through which a psychopath views Superman. He wants to see the Ubermensch and he harbors disdain for mankind. Every villain is the hero of their own story, and here he is showing us that by taking a hero and warping it into what anyone else should call a villain.
Superman is not Superman because he was born on Krypton. That's why he has super powers. Superman is Superman because a good man and a good woman in Kansas loved their son.
You fool. If you would have paid attention, Bill speaks of the *comics* He used to read which tells you what time period this movie takes place. In the comic books, Superman did not live on any farm with a bunch of old people. It was modern superman movies that added that little bit. Therefore, Bill is correct, because he lived in a time before these superman movies.
*Logic*
He did live on a farm in the comics. Since the Superboy series of the 1950’s.
Ryuk Shinigami idk where the fuck you get this from bc thats literally Superman’s Origin that he was raised in the farm since he was created decades ago
@86sith what? lol
It is funny that you disregarded this well thought out analysis of superman as "a fundamental misunderstanding" and then bring up the most simplistic unoriginal and frankly stupid counter argument yourself that doesn't even disprove the point made in this video.
Quentin Tarantino should make a original superhero film!!!
GhostWarriorHDx he will have Samuel l Jackson shooting thanos in the head at point blank range saying , "does nick fury look like a bitch"?
ladistar lmao bruh
Tarantino wanted to make a Luke Cage's film with a 70's style.
He should direct the punisher
He does have ideas to take on a Star Trek movie, could be really interesting as he says he's a huge Trekkie
Tarantino's writing, Carradine's delivery, it's a match made in heaven
Clark Kent is who we are
Kal el is who he is
Superman is who we can be.
he does see us as weak, but he embodies our potential as superman, he just has the strength to do it. its just that the writers take that literately and make him op.
kal el's weakness is kryptonite, Supermans weakness is arguably his integrity, his inability to break the rules, morality and standards he sets for us all, including himself and this allows physically weak villains to exploit him.
So I can shoot lasers through my eyes if I work hard enough? COOL!!
I think Batman is more applicable. Earth is a tragic story. Batman/Bruce Wayne turned that tragic story into a heroic one. Like we can; if we try hard enough and never give up.
The Justice League was that example that Jor-El predicted. In every variation of Jor-El's talk with his son, it all says the same. That Humans will eventually be capable of the same strengths, smarts and ideals, because it's those traits that made Superman who he is, not his powers. That one day even the most ordinary of humans among most beings that have graced Earth in DC for better or worse would join him and continue the cycle of idealism. Without Superman: The core members of the Justice League even in their solo careers would still work in the shadows, instead of stepping out into the sun with him. Without the Justice League there'd be no Teen Titans, nor if not for TT there'd be no Young Justice. Just by example alone Superman has helped create 3 generations of heroes not even counting the subgroups in their wake like Outsiders and Titans East. And without them all, Humanity itself wouldn't step out with them. It's so powerful, that Superman's presence alone is enough for the people to stand behind him. This was what Jor-El predicted.
But....Superman has 1 major advantage that he did not have in the beginning or that he saw coming...Superman has Batman...
@@elcondepatula lol superman, batman, and wonderwoman. the divine trinity of DC. they cannot be complete without eachother.
Damn I miss David Carradine.
"Natural Born Killer" nice touch!
Best part imo.
What a lot of people don't realize is that Bill is talking about the Pre-Crisis Superman, not the Post-Crisis one.
+suemorphplus2009 nobody gives a fuck
+Mr. Limekiller you're right. not a single fuck.
is "crisis on infinite earths" before or after Doomsday?
1986 = Crisis on Infinite Earths
Death of Superman = 1993
+Mr. Limekiller Actually, a lot of people *do* give a fuck. A lot of fucks, actually.
This speech always gets the Batman fans butt-hurt
How so?
@@TraciPeteyforlife because it is said that Bruce Wayne is the altar ego while
Batman is the true self.
@@jordonlongley6576
But that part is actually true, though...
The most memorable speech from Carradine portrayed as Bill. How he, as a sadist and a masochist, twisted "human mythology" from the moral underlying narrative and switching the perspective into psychological pathology was just so cold and manipulative, trying to ram a psychological screw into Beatrix's head with the idea that she can never change as a malevolent killer. But ironically, that dialogue could also be Beatrix's conscious awakening of her own murderous ego and from that, awareness of the choice she can make with her life - which is what she wanted, but clearly not for Bill to which I suspect for his own psychopathic, sadistic and masochistic intentions.
David Carradine has a really soothing voice somehow. I always felt at ease whenever he talked even though he’s a crazy psycho on this
I agree. And I think Hugh Laurie modeled his voice after Caradine when creating his character on House. The way he talks, phrases words and sentences in an American accent is pure Carradine.
I come back and watch these clips about once a year. I can't imagine any other actor playing Bill
No one else could have made this film. And that the final fight takes place seated is just genius.
Thing is, this sounds so compelling until you think about it. Superman's true identity is the farmboy from Kansas. He was raised human. He adopts the awkwardness when working in metropolis because how big he is. He is clark kent first, kal-el second. Bill's speech illustrates a shallow understanding of the character and in turn, reveals that Bill probably has a shallow understanding of Beatrix. Otherwise, he might have suspected she learned that move from pai-mei.
Not necessarily so. If you recall, Bill speaks of the superman *comics* which shows you the time period he lives in. I'm the comic books, superman is not raised on any farm, and brought up to eventually work in the metropolis. It is the movies of superman that add that little bit in. Therefore, Bill speaks true because they did not have superman movies in his time.
Agreed. Bill became wealthy probably from Esteban Vallejo’s brothel business and drugs maybe. He’s not a great a villain just because he has a damaged voice. O-Ren and Elle were better villains.
uh no even in action comics #1 the story where superman literally first appeared he was a boy born in kansas who and i quote "dedicated his life to doing good" after YEARS spent on earth
No.
Superman has Always been a Kansas farmboy.
Siegel and Schuster wrote him that way.
And to this day, farmers tend to be the most decent people I've met.
It's why they chose that over being the son of a Politician, business magnate, or even a Craftsman.
Farming feeds the World, and That has been imprinted on Clark since he was a child.
Ryuk Shinigami superman was always raised in the farm you imbecile.
When Bruce Wayne wakes up in the morning, he's Bruce Wayne. When Bruce Wayne puts on the cape and cowl, he's still Bruce Wayne. However, the alter ego is the billionaire playboy and the real Bruce Wayne is The Batman. The Batman is the outlet Bruce uses to let all his anger go; it is his therapy for the childhood trauma he lived through.
4 minutes? I swear all these monologues were like 30 minute chapters lol
Bro right!! Lmao!
Bill is right about Superman, he just made it sound like Superman is actively judging and criticizing humans in a condescending way. Clark Kent is Superman being human, as he understands it. But he doesn't know what being human is truly like-- especially when it comes to the subject of confronting human mortality. Every time a human dies of illness or injury, Clark remembers that illness/injury doesn't apply to Kryptonians on Earth, and he's really Superman
+David Curry He did not make it sound like. He meant it. And that's obviously Tarantino's thoughts on Superman and comic books. You don't see scenes like these in other films. Absolutely love this scene.
+David Curry Yeah it's a great scene and expanding on your view, Superman doesn't really understand pain. He doesn't really feel it. Now and again he fight's super beings like Doomsday or Darkseid but pain is a foreign concept to him and he doesn't understand what a large driving motivator it is day to day. I don't think he actively judges humanity cowardly, just afraid to be hurt and so Clark runs from any threat.
+M. Cobretti yes I agree this is absolutely one of my favorite scenes of all time in movies.
HorusHeresy1982 I think Superman can understand "pain," particularly emotional pain, but he doesn't truely understand mortality and how a human's thoughts and actions are influenced by it
shafta99 Yeah, I don't really agree with most of the monologue. I don't think it was meant to be accurate, and it was mostly used to manipulate the Bride
Even if he didn't have superpowers on Earth, Superman is not human, which is different than superheroes like Spider-Man and other superheroes who were born and raised human before becoming super-human
Although American Horror Story cant hold a candle to the masterpiece that is this movie, Bill's monologue reminds me of something The Countess said in season five:
"We have two selves. One the world needs us to be - compliant - and the shadow. Ignore it and life is forever suffering.”
'You're a renegade Killer Bee'
WU TANG CLAN COMIN' ATCHA!
To be fair, batman is what he really is, burce wayne is his true identity and billionaire playboy is his alter ego.
this speech was always sort of off. Superman's lived his entire life, brought up by decent people. This assessment that superman looks down on humanity as weaklings would be true if he was raised by some asshole.
Clark Kent as a reporter varies from adaptation. sometimes he acts like a coward, like in the movies to downplay suspicions that he is superman, other times he is pretty reserved, choosing to settle things with diplomacy or intellect like in the DCAU continuity, but this doesn't mean Clark Kent is some guise for superman. Superman is a guise for Clark Kent to exorcise his superpowers to help people without being some 24/7 protector.
To say superman has respect for humanity is an understatement, it would be more accurate to say that he sees himself as human more than a kryptonian. He's an Orc raised by High elves, Tarzan raised by apes, Mowgli raised by wolves, Worf raised by Terrans. He will yearn for that native side and want to dip into where he came from, but ultimately he'd more than likely turn down Kryptonian Cuisine for a Chili cheeseburger and a tall frosty shake from some Smallville diner
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This is why we love Tarentino! the monologues are just brilliant.
Such a god damn good monologue. Tarantino is the best dialogue writer of all time no question. Aaron Sorkin is also very high up there.
Clearly doesn't know jack about comics
Can we just talk about Uma Thurman's acting here? The agony of the drug being injected in her is so authentic, she really sold it.
Superb dialogue. Though can we expect anything less from the Master himself, the Great Tarantino?
@Jarred Knox Oh shut up
He literally got the point of Superman wrong 😐
The Master is literally Fellini...that title is already taken by a director lol. Try again.
@@javierburgre2__147 Bill got it wrong, but I suspect that was on purpose. It shows he can't understand why a powerful person would choose a life of mundanity.
@Jurgan6 Not really, this is almost correct. His real identity is that of Kal el. Superman and Clark Kent are both personas he uses to navigate through life and on earth.
"Clark Kent was raised as an infant by humans for a stronger connection to earth than his Kryptonian roots, he hasn't been weak for DECADES in the comics (occasional writers notwithstanding). He's a reporter & an intelligent one at that. He's Clark Kent BEFORE he's Superman"
-Linkara (Atop the 4th Wall) JLA - Act of God Part 02 review
Thank you, I was looking for this quote.
All a matter of perspective
"A Natural Born Killer" I See what you did there Quentin Tarantino!!!!!
This Superman monologue doesn't just apply to Beatrix Kiddo/ the bride, but it also applies to the whole deadly viper organisation. The assassins are actually Superman, and they become Clark Kents to assimilate themselves to the world.
Tarantino's dialog has a tendency to draw you in. Even though I came her just for this one clip, by the end I wanted to keep on going to the next scene. Not uncommon when I see these clips online.
In the original back story Clark Kent discovers his alien heritage and spends over a decade learning from the knowledge his father left him, this is the period where Superman's persona came about and Clark Kent was changed, during his youth Clark Kent thought he was a human who was simply gifted and acted in his usual manner at the time, but after the revelation and studying Superman became his true persona and Clark Kent was left as a mask for him to mold into something that would divert the eyes of people from who he really is all the while he hides among humans. The idea that Clark Kent is the true persona and that Superman is just a role he plays is very recent (90s forward) but it doesn't change the fact that Clark Kent is persona that hides his face with glasses he doesn't need, applies a hair style he doesn't like and has a posture and mannerism he never had before he became Superman. To this day Superman is the persona that shows to the world how he really is, full face revealed, standing up right, speaking clearly and confidently. No matter how much anyone says Clark Kent in the real persona the fact remains that Clark Kent is the guy who is hiding something.
yes but superman was ALREADY inside of clark kent he did grow up as clark kent. but that isnt who he truly was. thats the point he is trying to get at. for years he didnt know of his powers but he already had powers to begin with in the first place. he didnt know it. but his true identity he still had to hide in order to still be seen as human even after the fact that he didnt know for so long.
I think superman understands dying and pain perfectly fine. He's been weakened by various types of kryptonite many times, and he's taken Kara to train under a red sun where they have no powers.
He is also not immortal, though he might live 200-300 years.
He's felt emotional pain many times too.
hes also died like 15 times
¿Are you calling me a superheroe?
I'm calling you a killer,a born natural killer.
She believes that thing for the superheroe for a moment :(.
POINT. WELL. MADE.
César Quispe
Cesar huispe
One of the best film scene ever made quentin you are a brilliant
Love the beach home Bill owns so modern and with great taste it even has it's own fireplace. Beautifull home. Love to own one!!
I could listen to Bill talk about tax evasion for hours on end
This monologue demonstrates that Bill doesn't understand Superman. Superman is not a hero because he's Kal-El. Superman's a hero because he was raised Clark Kent. Bill almost has a coherent point here, but it breaks down because Bill doesn't understand that Clark Kent is who the character was raised to be while Superman/Kal-El is the gift he was born with . Bill clearly believes in destiny and all this nonsense. He's a romantic and deluded.
+Zwi@dowca Your "gifts" don't define you. Superman could have lived his entire life not letting anyone know his powers, just like people live their entire lives letting their talents go to waste.
+Zwi@dowca - Superman is from Krypton but his home is Earth. 0_-
Well that's the point. He's the villain. He's smart enough to give coherent reasoning to his motives and can even convince others, but he's still fundamentally wrong, because he'll always be in the mindset that people are predestined to be a certain way. This way of thinking most likely grew from decades of effortlessly murdering people and coming to the conclusion that he must have always been inherently superior to others and was meant for this. Beatrix proved him wrong by abandoning the life for her baby despite being the best killer. So he overreacted
Your comment demonstrates you missed the point to the monologue, hombre. The concept of "hero" never enters into the equation. He never celebrates Superman as a hero.. His statement is about true nature vs. society norms and what that means when one's true nature is a killer. There can be no distinction between what they are and what they do. And what they do is kill.
Here's the thing: we're all told at an early age that we are the heroes of our own story. But that's just not true. All that trouble out there ain't gonna stir itself. Some of us are the bad guys. Some are born bad. Others turn that way. Either by accident or intent, it's just mathematics.
I don't know if any of you are aspiring actors or writers, but if you are, then it's important - more so for writers - to take a beginning acting class for the purpose of understanding motivation and mining what's beneath. Point being, in an acting class, they teach you that if you're playing a character who is a "bad guy" the last thing you do is play "bad." In other words, a villain doesn't see himself as such. To the villain, it's the guy with the cape that's the bad guy. Follow what I'm saying? Bad people don't think of themselves as villains. Their motivation for murder and mayhem is just as pure as a heroes call for life and justice.
In short, to deny one's nature - be it hero or villain - would be to live a lie and squander your natural talent. Quite frankly, there is nothing sadder than seeing someone reject their innate gifts. That's why Budd's character is so tragic. He's chosen to deny the killer inside himself. In order to do so, he has to live apart from society and work in a shitty titty bar that's has no customers. He surrounds himself with as few people as possible to avoid any "triggers" to his deadly instinct. We all know he could snap Larry in two, but he has to demean himself to a lesser man in order to deny what his nature tells him to do, which would be to fuck Larry up six ways to Sunday.
Make sense?
Wrong, Mr. Sinister. Your gifts do define you. Otherwise you wouldn't use the term "talents go to waste." How can it be a waste if it's not?
First time I saw this.
I was like Bill you're not seriously bringing up Superheroes.
but then he made a very well point.
not really its a misunderstanding of supermans entire character
Tarantino just did what Marvel and DC haven't been able to do in 948537598 movies IN 2 FUCKING MIN MONOLOGUE.. man this guy knows how to make film. great dialogue
If only Snyder have watched this...
agree I had to go back to this monologue after watching bvs
He sacrificed himself for the whole of mankind when he was shown nothing but hatred and alienation.
Not at all. Bill's speech is actually a terrible representation of what Superman really is. People here have pointed out that he's most likely talking about Pre Crisis, but that's an outdated version of him that most people write off nowadays. Anyway, there are different takes on what Superman really is and how much of each aspect is truly more dominant, but Bill's take on him is one that I think most would disagree with. He essentially made Superman view us as weak/meak, but that's not true at all. In my favorite take (Greg Pak's run), Clark was very much a man of the people and saw himself as a human. Even SNyder got that right in MOS by saying Clark was a battle of Nature vs Nurture, where nurture won.
Somebody nailed it.
Adam Cadwell He didn't nail it. Everything about this speech was wrong.
Jesus christ at first I tought this film was crap and never wanted to watch it, but watching peace by peace on youtube I became more interested on watching it and even think it is a good movie, not because of the fighthing and killing scenes but how the characters are developed over the film.
The fighting and killing scenes are fantastic too
Poor Beatrix, it's not enough that she had to suffer being shot in her thigh, with a drug induced dart(Sodium Pentothal - enhanced), but she also had to listen & endure Bill's long winded nerd alert lecture, on the complex comic book mythology on 'the man of steel' & the analogy between herself & Superman - at the SAME TIME!
She was probably thinking, midway through his spiel - " JUST SHOOT ME IN THE HEAD, WITH A STANDARD GUN - AND GET IT RIGHT THIS TIME!!!"
There's always something so satisfying about a classy and sophisticated guy, having a deep knowledge on niche and nerdy subjects.
he misinterprets supermans whole character tho so he prolly just happened to catch the 80s superman movies on tv
What a wonderful monologue. A runaway killer-bee indeed!!
I wonder what the creative team working on Superman at the time felt when they watched this clip because for a while there the Superman comics were absolutely abysmal. Even the art was awful.
"No matter how much beer you drank or BBQ you ate, or how fat your ass got.."😂😂
I could listen to this guy reading the dictionary.
Espectacular, superman mi super héroe favorito, siempre he dicho que merece mejores películas o una serie que valga la pena...
In Memory of David Carradine🌷
As you know, l’m quite keen on comic books. Especially the ones about superheroes. I find the whole mythology surrounding superheroes fascinating. Take my favorite superhero, Superman. Not a great comic book, not particularly well-drawn, but the mythology. The mythology is not only great, it’s unique…Now, a staple of the superhero mythology is, there’s the superhero and there’s the alter ego. Batman is actually Bruce Wayne, Spider-Man is actually Peter Parker. When that character wakes up in the morning, he’s Peter Parker. He has to put on a costume to become Spider-Man. And it is in that characteristic Superman stands alone. Superman didn’t become Superman. Superman was born Superman. When Superman wakes up in the morning, he’s Superman. His alter ego is Clark Kent. His outfit with the big red “S”, that’s the blanket he was wrapped in as a baby when the Kents found him. Those are his clothes. What Kent wears - the glasses, the business suit - that’s the costume. That’s the costume Superman wears to blend in with us. Clark Kent is how Superman views us. And what are the characteristics of Clark Kent? He’s weak, he’s unsure of himself, he’s a coward. Clark Kent is Superman’s critique on the whole human race. Sorta like Beatrix Kiddo and Mrs. Tommy Plympton…You would’ve worn the costume of Arlene Plympton. But you were born Beatrix Kiddo. And every morning when you woke up, you’d still be Beatrix Kiddo…I’m calling you a killer. A natural born killer. You always have been, and you always will be. Moving to El Paso, working in a used record store, goin’ to the movies with Tommy, clipping coupons. That’s you, trying to disguise yourself as a worker bee. That’s you tryin’ to blend in with the hive. But you’re not a worker bee. You’re a renegade killer bee. And no matter how much beer you drank or barbecue you ate or how fat your ass got, nothing in the world would ever change that…
I genuinely think Bill was the best part of the movie. Incredible performance :)
Either Tarrantino knows absolutely nothing about Superman or it's just Bill being a villain with his misinterpretation.
I'd say the latter.
JaxJyls How so?
Ben Williams Bill being the villain, can't conceive that a figure as powerful as Superman would ever pose as Clark Kent unless it was a farce rather than the Clark Kent persona being a choice that Supes is happy to use because he likes being human.
Its less that Bill is misinterpreting Superman because he's a Villain, and more because he's a cynic and a misanthrope. And it also says a lot about how he views Beatrix.
I'd say you know nothing about Superman.
My favorite speech, cut short. End words. "You're always going to be a bonified killer bee."
That was Bill trying to manipulate Kiddo into believing that’s the way she’ll always be.
When Superman wakes up in the morning, he is superman. That's so super, man.:D :D :D
Here's a point I haven't seen brought up, everyone points out that he's mixing up batman and superman in relation to hero and alter ego, but this might be intentional, keep in mind that he is the antagonist of this duology.
Think about how he describes Clark Kent "Superman's Critique of humanity" the only other person who has that process about him comes from the superman mythos, Luthor. Whenever he finds out Kent is Supes he is furious that he could not see what was right in front of him and thinks it was superman playing everyone for fools when it's more often that's just his actual personality.
Now think about the interactions between him and the bride. "You think I'm a superhero?" "You're an assassin, you wake up one" ect. Much like Luthor, Bill believes he knows everything there is to know about her and is completely blind to what's in front of him. Up until the beginning of this she was an expecting mother and fiance, she was not " The Bride" until he tried to kill her and she "lost" her child.
Bill believed her an assassin (superman) first, grieving mother and enraged woman (Clark Kent) second, but in actuality it was the other way round, and it's the reason he was never going to win, because he thought himself so smart he blindsided himself. The analogy isn't that he didn't get superman's character, it's that he was never going to understand The Bride's.
One of the best scenes in history
Superman is still the greatest character ever created
"Peter Parker has to put on a costume to BECOME Spider-Man."
If he's nothing without that suit, then he shouldn't have it. LOL.
Superman is the best!!! Reeve & Welling Portrayed this best.
Christopher Reeve was the Believable version, Tom Welling was the balance of both Realistic & Believable.
he was born Superman
Él lo entendió todo
superman is the king of all superheroes, he is not suppose to be dark, depressing,alcoholic,psycotic like many superheroes are today...i understand why people think he is boring, but that is his caracter, he always does the right thing, that is why i felt safe at the end of the christopher reeve movies when he smiles to the camera, the childhood feeling that he was out there watchin over us
The best monologue any villan can talk and protray about heros
He is completely 100% wrong, if he was talking about Batman, he would be right. When Clark wakes in the morning, yes he has the powers of Superman, but he wakes up as Clark Kent, it is core to his identity. When Batman wakes up, when Batman goes to sleep he is batman, Bruce Wayne is the mask that Batman wears. Clark Kent ideally just wants to be Clark Kent, it would make him happier than anything on earth if his alter ego was no longer needed, on the other hand, the same situation would destroy Batman, he wouldn't know how to cope.
Dennis Sweeny glad someone saw this too. I agree and thought the same exact thing.
Superman wakes up as Superman...
He's Superman 100% of the time.
Other super heroes don the costume to change into their character counterpart.
You're completely ignorant of the history of this character. The characterization you're describing came about only in the last 20 years. It's nonsense.
@@wrlord but even pre-crisis Superman never thought of humans as weak and cowards. Bill is wrong when he says Clark is a critique on humanity as a whole. Clark the version of the character who works at the daily planet is a disguise so no one knows who Superman is. The Clark who hangs out with his mother at the farm is the real guy and he isn't cowardly or bumbling.
this is probably my favorite series of lines in Kill Bill; Bill's Superman monologue is a very intelligent and well-put-together comment on the philosophy of Superman and of super heroes in general.
camolotthe42 Unless you know anything about Superman. If you have no clue then of course it makes sense.
Direct quote "Clark Kent is who I am, Superman is what I can do"
"No matter how much beer you drink, or how much barbecue you ate. .or how fat your ass got..." Bill loved sticking it to Beatrix (pun intended). 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣
I think Superman is more like the Terminaror, they aren't really human, they just disguise as humans to fit in
What kind of !#$%#
no not at all
"Clark Kent was raised as an infant by humans for a stronger connection to earth than his Kryptonian roots, he hasn't been weak for DECADES in the comics (occasional writers notwithstanding). He's a reporter & an intelligent one at that. He's Clark Kent BEFORE he's Superman"
-Linkara (Atop the 4th Wall) JLA - Act of God Part 02 review
Only people who never read Superman comics think this. [x]
I wish Bill could help me with my Literary Focus essays.
Bill had definitely planned and prepared for this moment to come btw him and her.
I guessed he knew he had to re-educate her before he died.
I wanna die as cool as bill
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Love Tarantino's writing!!!!
If Bill would be talk about Sabine Kenobi from star wars watch this:
Bill: Sabine Kenobi was born a Kenobi. When Sabine wakes up in the morning, she's Sabine. Her alter ego is Amilyn Holdo. Her mandalorian armor outfit, that's the armor when the countess Ursa Wren get it her when Sabine was 12 years old before she escape in Coreilla. Those are her clothes. What Holdo wears - the dyed hair, the Gatalenta people suit - that's the costume. That's the costume Sabine wears to blend in with Leia in the Apprentice Legislature. Amilyn Holdo is how Sabine views us. And what are the characteristics of Amilyn Holdo? She's headstrong, she's unsure of herself, she's a serious but courage. Amilyn Holdo is Sabine Kenobi's critique on the whole galaxy far far away.
I actually never thought of this point of Superman.
Its how a murderous psychopath would view superman
I like this idea however you have to also remember that clark kent is also a model citizen, honest, respectful, honorable, loyal and righteous. I can't really consider clark weak because he's unlike a majority of the croocked villians he fights against. Many villians give into thier weaknesses and become that which they are scarred by (they were abused in life so they abuse others for example).
Who abused Lex Luther and brainiac And darkseid if your talking Batman villains yea but most of Superman villains are greedy power hungry assholes look at like this Superman’s villains want absolute power the ability reign above all in which Superman can easily become his human nature is what prevents him from doing so and that’s why him bats are at different spectrums
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Technically Superman wakes up, he's still in disguise as Clark Kent, he never sleeps with his Superman suit on.
In the end, he died doing the thing he loved: nerding out over superheroes.
Tarantino needs to make a comic book movie some day.
At least it would be rated R unlike that new mr. glass one. I saw a trailer for that and then the pg-13 came up. Pass.
Clark is who I am, Superman is what I can do. Superman is an Icon, Clark Kent is a person. That's the point Bill missed in his take on Superman. So no I don't agree with his views on supes but it is an interesting take on the character, coming from a cold hearted killer.. Bills view on Superman is misguided to say the least but interesting coming from a cold hearted killer.
You do realize that you making a argument with a fictional character about another fictional character right?
Zipblockgory when superman came to earth he was superman/kal el he wasnt clark kent .the kents gave him that name when they found him he became clark kent .As he got older he became more aware of who he really was clark kent was and always is the costume thats the character that kal el plays to fit in with us humans because the reality is he's not human hes from another planet even tho he looks like one of us he isnt one of us . Bills spot on in his interpertation of superman .
+Zipblockgory He came to Earth as Kal-El. He was adopted by the Kents and named Clark. It was Lois Lane who first called him Superman.
You must be Fun at parties.
Nonsense. You have no conception of the history of this character.
The characteristics of Peter Parker:
1. He's Smart
2. He's Complicated
3. He shows up Late
4. He's a Nerd
In this scene we see that Tarantino doesn't understand Superman. Clark Kent is Clark Kent. He landed in Kansas and was raised as a normal kid. He will always be Clark Kent more than Superman. Ironically Batman is the one that fits this monologue more. When tied up by the lasso of truth and asked who he was his answer was "Batman." Bruce Wayne is his mask and his critique on upper class douchebags.
Its almost like Tarantino is making a villain make this point. Megabyer we are not supposed to agree with Bill here, because, you know, he is the bad guy
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I love this scene but he’s actually very wrong about Superman. He was Clark Kent before he was Superman. He grew up with human values.
Bill understands Superman more than Warner Brothers
Clark Kent is not Superman's critique on the human race, it's merely adopting characteristics in sharp contrast to those of Superman. Bill admits as much when he goes on to say that Kiddo does likewise. It's QT being prosaic. He really does need a neutral pair of eyes on his scripts.