Germaine Greer and David Susskind Clash In Heated Sexism Debate | The Dick Cavett Show
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- Germaine Greer and David Susskind discuss a female president and her recent book 'The Female Eunuch'
Date aired - 16th July 1972 - Paul Simon, Germaine Greer and David Susskind
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Wow tv talk shows today seem so bland.
@@JamesGallagher90 Indeed they are. I caught such an interview with a British interviewer, Michael Parkinson, talking to Fred Astaire yesterday.
You're right. We won't see these kinds of interviews, interviewers or interviewees again: everything now lacks depth.
At least not on TV. Now it's You Tube and podcasts that have filled that void. But is the Joe Rogan Experience, an adequate replacement? I think not.
Ya, this is great. Modern talk shows are a symptom of idiocracy and a venue to train people to conform to a totalitarian, one type of opinion only allowed dystopia.
We have to go back 50 years on youtube to hear actual intelligent banter in a light hearted setting. Sad.
Bland.Idiotic more like.
And fake.
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LOL @ Paul Simon sitting back there and probably thinking "Geez, I just came here to play a song."
Was it bridge over troubled water? Or Mrs Robinson? Haha
@@nigefal i think Mrs Robinson lol but im not 100%
People used to be able to talk without freaking out, even if talking about contentious issues. We need more of this, and less mob mentality.
Jokers like Dave need to be held accountable
@@Jazz-gb9lp they can be held accountable without resorting to mob mentality.
Yes exactly. Free speech, even feminists loved it in 70s
What we need is a reminder of just how SEXIST this world used to be!
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0:10 Germaine Greer isn't British, she's Australian.
She is a british convict
She's miserable.
@@pankakotakismegalomavropou3355 u are misrable
This would make a interesting movie today with Meryl Streep portraying this lady.
@@misterr3083, yes but can someone get the message to her about doing this? 😊
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Yes, she looks like her
You mean Weinstein prop Meryl Streep?!
Cher would be an awesome pick.
She’s so impressive. It’s hard to believe we’re still actually discussing equality fifty years later...one hundred years later. She’s right on all counts and Cavett is a great host to manage that.
greer wasn't about "equality", her argument was about "liberation" from what she saw as subjugation.
everyone is equal these days. Stop crying already!
"Equality is a profoundly conservative goal for women."
- Germaine Greer
Yes, considering there are no rights that men have that women don't have. Although I can name several rights women have that men do not have.
You realise she is not liked on the left any more since she says trans women are not women, right? Also, when you say she was right on all counts, do you agree that women should not be in the military?
They need to put these shows on DVD 📀
"If you're about to start debating the book, don't rat on it when I start telling you you got it all wrong." 2:54 Greer straight up trounces him. Bonus points: "I gave you a conditional, I didn't make a promise." 3:42
LOVEEEE
typical sexist behavior and attitude. "oh, i'm a big admirer of Ms. Greer....as long as she looks pretty and stays quiet." but the moment she starts challenging his male privilege and sense of entitlement and superiority, he can't handle it. he turns right over to being dismissive. that's how you know she's right--because the other dude is SCARED. now if women aren't powerful and intelligent and capable, why would any guy be afraid of them--or what they represent?
You can tell in the way he talks that he just doesn’t fucking get it.
Greer is consistently the smartest person in the room, constantly making the men around her look stupid.
@@tommym321Thanks for the insight Tom! Very inspiring for those of us reading at home. :D
Damn, I'd like to see that entire show.
“You are not a better expert on my book than I am!” Go Germaine, calling out mansplaining! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Is the term 'mansplaining' not counterproductive as it is sexist in itself?
@@nigefal VERY sexist. I loathe that term.
@nigefal the truth can be sexist. He was literally pointing at her, trying to get her to submit, and telling everyone "I know the material better than the writer does."
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It's possible that the reader remembers what was written while the author remembers her words how she meant them.
This would be a plausible scenario where a reader knows the phrases in a book better than the author.
@@efka9667 you should warm up before you stretch that far.
Greer and Cavett are wonderful....both so brilliant! Yes, talk then was smarter and they let you finish your thought.
That was an era when free speech was encouraged, as opposed to this very stifling and oppressive twitter regime.
Not English ..Australian !!
wow petty. Old rivalry i presume.
@@basitk12 It's like saying someone's Canadian instead of American. Or Spanish instead of Mexican. Or something like that.
An man trying to sell a misogynistic myth to a female femInist and he gets her nationality wrong in his first point. An idiot in its purest form.
Funny fact of life that Yanks often think Australians sound British and vice versa.
Brent Johnson Spanish are Europeans , Mexicans are not .
Why wasn't I around when this was on the air? I'd watch the hell out of this.
Because you'd get triggered.
The Art of Conversation with interesting unique-individual-guests, on very well --hosted talk-shows ... those were the days
Extraordinary behaviour of the two men! Talking about Greer as if she was an inanimate object.
Her work has certainly had a big impact on Western Society.
I guess that explains some of the decline.
@@pastexpiry2013B Have you read "Milestones"? It has a pretty good explanation
She's a joy to be around.
@@pastexpiry2013B the decline is because of men
I've heard the underwear query before. What a brilliant way to defuse a developing fight.
Great days! What an amazing statement by Greer, that woman shouldn't aspire to be men because of their flaws, with which I concur. This is now one of the very reasons she has become 'de-platformed' by certain groups & institutions, which would have, in the past, been vociferous supporters of her. Not only do they think they can & should be allowed to be whatever they want, but then rather than extending that very same freedom to everyone, they want to restrict Greer from even having an opinion - this is the mess we're in. HELP Germaine!!!
well, as I was sexually harrassed by an older woman when I was eighteen, I was able to emotionally understand what her book about the sexualization of teenage boys really was. this woman probably underwent some form of domestic abuse. She is not relevant anymore and that is a good thing .
@@dolphinsupremacy4590 I look forward to someone telling you that you're no longer relevant when you're older, maybe as they turn off your life support machine. Have a happy life, however long or short that maybe.
@@Chillmax in short I was sexually harassed, while caring for the human needs of elderly people. but this particular event was not much more than a momentary inconvenience.
@@dolphinsupremacy4590 I'm really sorry that something like that has happened to you, but if only just this once would you take advice from someone about it. However you can, get over it & move on from & don't apply that experience to everything you see in life, as it will get you absolutely no where & you'll be forever unhappy. You might feel you can't, as it's hard, but if you don't, in 10, 20 or 30 years you'll regret a wasted life, because of some idiot in your past.
Chillmax if the roles were reversed and a young female was harassed by an older male, i find it hard to believe you would suggest sweeping it under the rug (and moving on).
I'm surprised David Susskind was such a misogynist. I thought he was a liberal. Of course at this time it was a very typical male attitude. This happened a long time ago, and I was rather young. There was no 24 hour News Cycle, and no Viral Social Media where everything blows up immediately. There was time to ponder things slowly, now you can't ponder hardly at all, everything happens at once. It's actually maddening.
Where do you get misogyny out of his appearance here? Seems to me they were both respectful and he refers to her book as "brilliant."
Search Susskind's treatment of Muhammad Ali on TV - right to his face. Susskind was clearly bright but also quite closed-minded, judgmental, and arrogant.
Just as an aside why do American's always think Australians are English? Susskind made the same mistake.
Admittedly, Greer's accent is a bit more clipped than the usual Aussie. But in general the two countries accents are very different.
He misspoke. I believe she was living and working in the UK at the date of this show. Honest mistake.
It can happen the other way round too. I am English and when I visited the USA I was asked three times if I was Australian. I'm actually from the north of England and my accent threw them. I think they were thinking 'he sounds kind of English but not quite. Maybe he's Australian?'
CLICKBAIT NO HEATED DEBATE!!!! JUST BANTER!!!
I guess something is wrong with me as i like both Germaine and David.
As do I.
What an incredible woman Germaine Greer is. Did so much to progress women’s rights and isn’t like the modern day toxic feminists. So sad she was booed off stage for saying trans women aren’t real women. Shows how mad the world has gone.
What a woman ❤️
Greer is an intellectual giant compared to that old school guy. He was so out of his depth.
these dudes would not get away with 90% of their comments today. greer deals with it like a hero but the nasty& immature&violent nature of their comments made me cringe.
I know it's such a shame we don't have freedom of speech anymore.
Violence?
shad covert We have freedom of speech. You’re just longing for the days where you could say anything and everyone else silenced their own freedom of speech instead of speaking up on their own behalf when someone says something they didn’t like.
thats why the world is such a boring place due to nurse rachets cry babies like you.
@do br Greer does indeed come out in her true colors. she is snobbish, arrogant and feminist who has no regard for other's opinions. She is the cause why people like rosie o donnell go out loose. Suskind is a class act!
@2:35 Susskind - 'No dear, errr no miss'
It is like a comedy skit.
So has anyone ever read that book and was he wrong or was she?
Germaine Greer, a feminist writer, who wrote "The Female Eunich"....I read it when I was about 13. That was a long time ago; I remember being shocked by it.
He was wrong.
She was clearly wiser than him lol
Crystal clear, he seemed quite taken in by her.
Don't dismiss someone because you might not have heard of them. Mr. Susskind was an icon of the Golden age of television - producer of TV, movies and stage plays. He had a syndicated talk show in NYC discussing controversial issues. Times have changed and he was a man of his times but still intelligent and brilliant. Some of his programs are on CZcams.
Greer is now being treated by the woke crowd the same way she treated Susskind. She too is brilliant. It's A clash of generations.
germaine greer is magnificent ... she has always been magnificent ... fifty years later, she could be played by meryl streep in a inadequate motion picture ...
This was a good humoured interview.
Surely the issue is did he quote accurately from the book or not?
No, he quoted inaccurately. She has often argued the exact opposite to what he was saying. She knows what she wrote and what she believes and she isn't shy to express what she actually believes either.
@@maxinewarnest894 What exactly did she write in her book? He said (about what GG wrote), "The female must not attempt to emulate the male and particularly because he is savage, impotent, solitary, and several other words...."
I can't recall, but is Susskind correct?
Never heard if this guy till the algo bot threw this up. Funny guy, nice to see Greer was always rhe fighting type.
thx for the upload
Both “men” seemed to prove her premise.
The antediluvian shit she had to listen to.
@@ktkee7161 cry me a river
Yes they did n that Susskind was the biggest a hole I watched his show n he was always mad it looked not educated not smart not clever etc he was a jerk
Another Citizen ... Are you saying they aren’t “men”?
have nothing against the other celebs that were on this show but is this channel ever going to show the Dick Cavett shows where Dick Cavett interviews Jackie Gleason or Art Carney?
How about any Honeymooners actors that were part of the main cast? These are rare.
Brilliant woman!
that aged quite well
Nothing's changed! Cheers
@@michellethewhoreatthelake936 Are you dumb?
Men will always run the show. Turn the power off and it'll be 1850 again. And we will still run the show.
Where was the "heated" part of the debate? It was lukewarm at best.
I have nothing against the other celebs that were on this show but is this channel ever going to show the Dick Cavett shows where he interviews Jackie Gleason or Art Carney? How about any Honeymooners actors that were part of the main cast? These are rarities much like all the other Dick Cavett interviews
This may have something to do with the fact that most people alive today have never heard of Jackie Gleason let alone of the Honeymooners. The guy was born more than a 100 years ago. His parents may have seen Lincoln in person, LOL.
is that Paul Simon seated next to her? She is so great...i hope she lives to 100! ( must of been great hanging with Paul that evening...getting wasted...et cetera
Yes the amazing charming Paul Simon…
You don't point at people like that if you don't want a REAL fight.
This is a fucking weird comment section
It's like everyone watched a very different video before commenting about it on this video
Ever play telephone?
“Promises promises”disgusting 🤮
That was a cheeky brilliant comment😅
Wow, those three guys are absolutely terrified of her.
One word answer: REAL
Wow, and didn't she just have a prophetic moment that feminism would in fact lead to women being in the army fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. She never wanted that, but that's what happened. Amazing. Greer handled this tremendously well
Well if feminists want equal rights they should be fine with the fact that women are going to have to fight in wars
@@johngilliam6764 You missed the obvious point. The point being that feminism is of no use if women partake in the slaying of civilians in warfare. The point she is making is that neither men nor women should be doing this, and it's not an aspiration for women
@@jka6543 No, but women are the primary consumers of the spoils of war.
The biggest mistake David Susskind, made was not bringing her book and reading directly from it,
the passage he refers too. When dealing with the likes of Greer one must be thoughly prepared. 😏
Then she verbally attacks Cavett! He's smaller than she is!
Double standard. Okay to hit men... especially in today's climate.
How novel,people with opinions and no beer pong.
At least Germaine Greer is funny, interesting and articulate no matter what you think of her politics, unlike most people calling themselves "feminist" these days.
She’s the real deal and most today are not. She has a lot to say about feminists today too.
Germaine Greer hypocrite 3:43 liberation for woman but they should not have to fight in wars right got It!
i am certainly no feminist, and yet i have to say that in the above discussion, i side with Germain Greer, simply because she remained calm and reasonable, while David Susskind was frankly behaving like an arrogant jerk. still, the overall level of discourse here was sooooooo much more civil and polite than are any political discussions taking place in our current times
Behaving like an arrogant jerk? How so? He challenged her on something she wrote in her book. He was certainly opinionated, and very intelligent.
Now, did she write it or not??
She is logical, assertive and witty. Kind of like a bloke.
certainly then..unlike you
@@jadezee6316 how dare u assume he's bloke or not a bloke
Today's chat shows are only vehicles for promotion of books, films, plays etc.
Germaine Greer has matured like fine wine, into one of the most incisive and interesting minds on this bland planet.
"Little peacemaker" was hilarious.
She's appeared on Oxford Union debates.
She's on the ball all the time, unlike the fellas
Women in War?? Only in COD 70 years later......
UMM NO.
Female Partisan fighters in the Wars,
Women in the French Resistance,
THE NIGHT WITCHES. (Female Soviet Snipers) etc.
Do some research bud.
This is world's away from "so, I understand things got a little crazy when you last brought your dog in to be groomed..."
Indeed there was a time when David Susskind had his own show. He was always a gentleman and informative. Interesting to see how TV has devolved since. Now it's more like a game show. Free give away and getting the dirt..sad.
And now the feminists have turned on her lol
I like that Dick Cavett touched on topics like this..David Susskind is obviously a male chauvinist.
Yes, germaine then we got Mrs Thatcher, remember that?
No heat there
She is like a t model ford in a Ferrari car race an old and forgotten relic
Wants all the rights of men but of course shouldnt have to serve in Vietnam like men. Hmmmmmm
No, she doesn't want the brain dead men in power who force other men to kill each other to be in power. Use that tiny little thing in your head called a brain once in a while please
Cool
David Suskind is a very classy and well educated person
If he says it's in her book I believe him
I also believe that she knows what he is saying is true and is lying
Listen pal I watched him on tv back in the day n he was condescending to all of his guests n he always seemed overwhelmed by an intellectual debate typical Jew
@@kathleengleason9805 you're a typical feminist bitch.
@@kathleengleason9805 Racist much?
The book 'The female Enunuch'. It is old and easily available on a quick google search of the title + pdf. If you cntrl+F for those keywords she clearly said those things in her book. Debate over.
When 'Open End' left the air well... what a loss... loved Susskind's manner, , LOVED his manner. Read with relish all of Greer; Marilyn French; Kate Millett.... subscribed to Ms. I had to educate myself just to catch up to the very impressive prose being offered up on various platforms. Never found fault with life as a girl, then woman as I encountered men. Education on Women's Studies can be done in anyone's spare time via reading across two or three shelves in the library. I believe there are college courses on the condition of women , past and how we arrived at the present advanced state of things for her. I would guess the college class is filled with rage and contempt, hatred and Angry rhetoric on men. And the professors are paid well to spout nothing that elevates the mind of students. Paid to encourage the development of writing their own rage. Instead of four months spent in that fashion the student could speedily get all she needs to have 'aha' moments over and over by being given a list of feminist authors. (this is a partial rant.. must go now)l
I worked with Mr. Susskind for many many years. He us a veey brilliant man and i can tell you he was holding back from telling her off. He disliked her very much for the things she said. He had read her book twice only because he could call her out on the vile things she said and could almost tell you the page it was on! But he did not want to debate or bring attention to her book
Sure Jan..
She loves to twist things.
She said to him, "I didn't make a promise" A straw man,
Because he never said she did. He just said "promises, promises" as a joke.😏
Order of GOD is as follows God in Christ,Christ in man,man over woman, woman over children.When this order is not followed ,chaos will follow.
Lol
back when germaine was cool
promises promises
Funny how they both are sexist xD
See how they argued, then laughed, and poked at eachother 😆 we gotta go back to not getting our feelings hurt and talking real.
If only Greer realized she could accuse any man of sexual harassment without proof and have him removed from public life overnight her goals of equality and in fact triumphalism would have happened much more rapidly.
Germaine Greer was most unfairly criticised by her detractors who mischaracterised her as some kind of man-hating extreme left, ultra feminist loony. In fact, she was an extremely good writer who expressed herself with great articulacy - and usually very good humour - when speaking in public. She even wrote hilarious satirical material for Private Eye, one of the UK’s leading satirical magazines which was run by an old boy’s network of men with whom she seemed to have very little in common apart from her ability to verbally duel brilliantly and her enjoyment of good company and excellent wines. An overall very good sport.
She is not an intellectual. She is a condescending rude person
cry harder, mra
Funny how the audience tries to side with applause and regard for the lady, however - the dude was making good points and she didn't like her pants getting pulled down in public.
thank you germaine greer for spreading the seeds of discord early and succesfully pitting the two sexes of the human race against eachother. it'll all burn soon enough though, unfortunately
They’re all actors, wake up.
I like Germaine Greer. A feminist she may be, but she's not of the 'herdthink' that seems to dominate the majority. This woman thinks for herself.
I disagree with Ms. Greer, wholeheartedly! #FeminismRuinsHomes💯
not as much as alcoholism and cruelty.
@@jbrd2959 😆 are you really trying to compare the 2 worlds? That's the problem right there!
@@sterlingdemons6875 oh really?
@@jbrd2959 really really lol. Dont be sensitive about this. Lets talk about it.
@@sterlingdemons6875 yeah for sure. talk about it. comparing isn't really the right word for what I was doing. I was saying that im not sure if feminism ruins homes. there are usually more classic causes for a home breaking up.
Now she is mourning for her unborn child🤣🤣🤣😥
Did she really say that women have no capacity for organization and grouping?
Fucking WOW...
Anyone else get the feeling these two got a hotel room after the show?
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