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too bad for menelaus that a relationship is not about who fights better. i guess buying yourself a much younger bride as if she’s meat is also not a good start for a loving and trusting relationship.
@@monicad99Yeah it's about who conquers. This relationship shit is a modern invention. For millennia women were trophies and submitted to the conqueror. Which is what Helen did in the story. The women never fought back against invading armies. Just submitted.
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@@TheJokerx420 I'd do the same. FUCK "honor", if it was my brother about to get his head cut off in front of me, I'd swing the my sword as hard as I can to kill Menelaus.
Can I say though, Orlando Bloom’s acting in this is spectacular. I have never cringed so much as I did when he started to crawl to Hector. He played it so pathetically and I could really feel that immaturity and naivety in his performance. Bloom, up until this film, had been in LOTR and Pirates 1, playing very honourable, kind and selfless characters, characters that were beyond their years. It was truly a testament to his acting ability honestly. I just feel he really does deserve some mad street cred 🫳🎤
He deserves credit for his willingness to take the part too. As somebody setting up a career as romantic and heroic leading roles, especially a man who is very good looking but also somewhat slight and accused of being a pretty boy, to take the role of one of the ultimate pretty boy, coward, fuckups in the entire history of human storytelling was probably a move some of his business managers cautioned against.
Absolutely agree! It took guts, for sure. But I really do think it benefitted his career in the long-run. Especially being in a film with an all star cast and working with Ridley Scott. It would have been different and fun to play around with.@@adamseidel9780
Don't forget Balin in Kingdom of Heaven. Orlando Bloom was...I hate to say it but very much a Gary Sue. in that Movie. yet he was heroic, accountable and dedicated. The contrast with Paris in Troy shows how skilled he is as an actor.
Best laugh is when you can barely breathe or make noise. When I saw that in theaters I was dying. Shows how pathetic Paris is that he isn’t even deemed a threat
Agree, but, having a younger brother is a bitch. You have to defend him right or wrong. You never know he may end up killing the greatest fighter ever.
Hector(as portrayed in the movie) is the ideal man and solider, his values are perfect and his emotions always in check. I think Achilles is the best character as he displays far more human and relatable traits, he has a conflict with in himself that he struggles with(isn't shown too much in the movie but in the Iliad is quite notable)
same here. Achilles was my favorite character when I was 25 years old. Now, I'm a 35 family man. Hector is the ideal man I'm trying to become.I remember, Achilles said at the beginning of the movie: "imagine a king who fights his own battles, wouldn't that be a sight"
@@megabladechronicles962 I studied iliad in school, he wasn't that better, agamemnon was more talked about, menelaus kinda hid behind him. He was at his prime a great warrior but in time period he see was more like a side character he wasn't even fully commited to chase after helen agamemnon convinced him and killed his own daughter igigeneia to start the war.
PunchFor Pound What are you talking about? That was a ramble without any real basis of argument....Were you asking genuine questions or being rhetorical?
PunchFor Pound PunchFor Pound You’re thinking way too much about that line. Let’s assume a Prince had indeed perished on the battlefield in that geographical region at some point in history before sorry Paris got caught up in this little dispute. And let’s assume the corpse was eaten by crows, well a crow lives for what? 15 years or so? You can therefore interpret that he’s referring to the crows alive in that moment, who have never tasted the blood of a prince before. As Jurgen Klopp would say...”Boom”. Honestly, the film Troy is so full of far fetched scenes and fantastical ideas that it’s ironic you would choose to criticise that particular line, which is actually one of the more realistc scenes in the film in comparison to others. It’s almost like that line ruined the ‘realness’ of the movie for you...it’s a movie about Greek gods mate come on. Besides, you were not correct about the crow thing anyway. Do you feel like we’ve bridged the ‘cultural gap’ now or shall we keep going?
3:18 I love the acting here, you can really see that hector is torn between honor and protecting his little brother. The honorable thing would've been to let his brother die. After all, his little brother is a man, who has entered an agreement with the opponent. It even looks like he agrees with what Menelaus says about royalty. Hector knows that Paris is being an absolute coward, disgraceful and pitiful, however he is not about to turn away his little brother who is literally at his feet begging him to save his life.
A coward wouldnt have agreed to the fight and show up. It was actually quite brave with the lack of skill he has to even propose it. he was beaten and intelligent enough to know he lost. Being scared for your life isnt cowardice, he did the only thing he could to save his life. Most ppl would do the same looking death in the eye its not cowardice.
@@hattorihanzo562 it was dishonorable and cowardly to agree to fight the other bearded guy to the death, and have the victor keep Helen of troy, only to backout and run away when losing and keep Helen anyways. He didn't even have to agree to that in the first place, could've just stayed in troy with Helen safe behind walls as the battle raged on seeing as Agamemnon was going to set his army upon them no matter what. But he chose to duel the guy and then punked out, Paris thought it would be heroic, poetic. But his older brother told him on the boat, there is nothing glamorous about it. Hector being a man of honor, even when facing certain death (as shown in his fight against Achilles) knows that this is cowardly, he knows what it is to enter an agreement between men and would never run away in a way such as this, crawling and basically begging for his life. I mean, think of how different that scene would've been when he fights Achilles, had he tried running away from death when losing. Hector wouldn't break his honor this way to save his own life, however, for Paris, like he said, 'He is my brother.' He isn't about to let him die when he's begging for life. Doesn't matter if his intentions or his attempt were brave, in the end he ran away like a 🐝 -otch.
Toe to toe?That little shit ran and ran to his brothers safety after he stole that man’s wife and agreed to fight it’s his fault he got to fight don’t defend this little bitch
@@davidmanners9076 There was only the one person in the film who left him. He shouts it loudly so she can hear him and the camera cuts to her just as he finishes saying it. You really couldn't figure out who he was talking to?.
This annoyed me so freaking much! He wants her, then he has to fight for her like he said. But he runs away and let’s other men die?! This horrible coward!
I really don't understand Helen. If I was in her place, I would just pack my bags, leave Paris and go back to greek camp. Like what does she have in Troy?.She is greek, she lived there for her whole life. She has a family there. The only reason she was in Troy was Paris. And after he fought so cowardly for her, she should have left him.
@@anitahausnerova2139 in the original iliad she was actually mind tricked by aphrodite after she made a deal with paris to give him Helen in exchange for a golden apple
1:15 What I love about the brilliance of this scene is just how much it shows how big of a novice Paris is to actual fighting. The way he hesitantly approaches, with his defenses already up to full and his sword pointing out. Contrast that with how a seasoned fighter like Achilles approaches a fight, so skilled that he has the confidence to approach it semi-relaxed. Menelaus knows this so obviously that he's fighting a total wimp that he throws away his shield because he knows he won't need it and proceeds to even take Paris's away from him right out of his own hands. He absolutely steamrolled Paris.
Menelaus had so much respect for Hector he didn't even question his honor. He believed Hector would've let him kill Paris at his feet and that's why he didn't go for Hector first. Hector chose family over honor, Menelaus should've remembered that. Hector reminded him, "He is my brother " Paris was a disgrace.
@@GrnChli It wouldn't have saved anyone.. If you watch the whole movie instead of just this clip, Agamemnon is going to have his army attack after the duel regardless of who wins. He came here to conquer Troy and take full control of the Aegean, not to watch his brother swing swords with a pretty boy.
Technically, losing your wife to a pretty boy coward scuttling away is even worse than losing your wife in the first place.. This was why he was so angry!
Guru Xara Helen’s kidnapping by Paris was the excuse for it though. They even depict it in the movie that Agamemnon tells his brother he’s going to go to war for him, but later he says he’s happy this happened because now he could go take Troy.
Im Greek...honour is absolutely the most important thing specially in battles... Το να πεθανεις μαχομενος ειναι οτι πιο ενδοξο μπορεις να εχεις για τελος!
In the account of Dares, the Phrygian, Menalaus, King of Sparta was described as "..of moderate stature, auburn-haired, young, strong and very handsome, had an extremely pleasing personality." A very fierce warrior. Like Achilles and Odysseus, he struck down so many men, there were oceans of blood at his feet. Yet, an extremely kind and wise ruler. Thought to be the fairer beside his brother, Agamemnon. He was blessed by the Gods. Rich, charitable and also forgiving. After 9 years of war with the Trojans, he finally took Helen back home to Sparta and ruled.
His brother was more of an arrogant, fierce and authoritative sort. His looks were stern and hard rather than smooth and gentle - his face and eyes are even compared to Zeus to convey his authority and the power in his gaze. Thus he was less handsome. Menelaus was well mannered, self sacrificing, forgiving, and positively gentle in comparison to most of the Achaean kings. His fiercest battles were when he was rescuing Odysseus and protecting Patroclus’ body. That is telling of his character. Him and his brother were treated very badly in this adaptation.
@@Raximus3000small fact that the movie was actually written by one of the writers of game of thrones, David Beniof who, after the film was criticised for the inaccuracies from Illiad, stated that : "The script covers the Trojan War in its entirety, whereas The Iliad is only one fragment of it. I didn't want to have little titles saying, 'Flash forward nine years.' It would have made it more faithful to the source material, but it wouldn't have been effective for the movie. I always followed the route that I thought was better for the movie; if that meant that I was cheating on Homer then so be it."
I love how when Menelaus draws his sword it's all heavy sounding, like a huge piece of iron, but when Paris draws his, its all small and bitchy sounding.
@@MarpoLoco Both Helen & Hector were actually deeply ashamed of Paris in the Iliad. Helen also states, in the Odyssey, she regrets ever running away from Sparta. As well as that it was actually Aphrodite who gave her a lust & passion for Paris, rather than any deeper feeling of love. I mean, Paris was a coward. I would be deeply ashamed to have him as a brother or a lover.
@@soundwavesuperior28 What's so bad about being a coward? I suspect most of the people in the world are descendants of surviving cowards, not dead heroes.
@@MarpoLoco wrong! we are descendants of brave men whether they were good or bad. People used to kill and invade each other and only strong and brave tribes survived not the weak and cowards
1:08 That’s actually frightening, imagine being a noob facing an experienced warrior to death while being surrounded for both armies, while partially have this angle vision.
It's his own fault for being a noob . The guy has literally nothing to do but train for battle all his life ( as a prince ) but spend his time chasing married women . Patroclos is as young maybe younger yet he was very good in battle . Difference between the two ? One trained the other chased women .
@@kirklanyoshinaga8953 according to the mythos … it was Apollo who guided the arrows . But yeah in the context of this movie I guess sniping away unassuming soon to be ally is a skill in itself .
I always found the portrayal of Menelaus interesting in Troy; he's shown as a cruder, brutish man, and that Helen left him for Paris because of this. The Illiad shows Menelaus as, in fact, an honorable king amongst the other Greeks, and that Helen's fleeing with Paris is more the work of guile and the trickery of Aphrodite, who promised Helen to Paris as his wife. Interesting how things change when the gods are removed. I always wanted to see a movie of the Trojan War with the gods in it.
exactly! In the director's cut before the kidnapping he warns Paris that if he has an affair with Helen, thus bringing war to Troy, he'll rip off his face. And now that exactly happened: Paris brought the war, and what's worse, he has shown cowardice, a great sin to ancient Greeks. But Paris is still his brother, and no matter how much he hates him for all the above, he still has to protect him.
For the ancients, honor was above all and the true hector did nothing to save Paris from menelaus. The screenwriter used a lot of cocanina and changed the Greek values to an escapist fantasy of self insertion, for the public to believe that hetcor would put his honor aside to save his brother. Even Helen despised him.
@@juanlaise1059 ...so, in other words, tens of thousands had to die, just so fatso here could get back some used-up poon..? _Pffft_ - I think I prefer this adaptation.
Paris is the absolute worst. Earlier he said he wasn't going to ask Hector to fight his battles for him. Less than two minutes into the fight, he runs whimpering to big brother.
Menelaus's waxing melodic about how the vultures were going to have a ball eating Paris didn't exactly help in getting Paris to calmly hold still for the sword strike.
Garret Sheets Up to that point, Hector had proven worthy of his title though. And let’s not forget that when his time came to face off a single man on the opposite side to settle a score, he both told the archers not to do shit, and he went out to fight him with no one around.
Achilles at the beginning of the movie: "imagine a king who fights his own battles, wouldn't that be a sight" Achilles at 4:11 - "damn, that really was a sight"
Notice how Paris fearfully looks up at the birds of carrion when Menelaus say that. If you don't want somebody to bolt that way, then don;'t go around describing things like that. The kid might bolt and you might be too much of a sack of wine to catch him.
I thought he was talkinh bout his sword not tasting a prince b4...apparently crows not sword...this is one of my fav line from this movie.....I watched this clip for that line haha
Achilles' style of fight is so unique that most of his opponents would/could never train for this. This makes Hector so good to go for so long against him, but like everyone else, fails to be the last man standing.
@@Casper-ob1fmmy favorite part in that whole fight is they take the time to show Achilles a bit out of breath. It's the only time in the whole movie where he looks fatigued
to me this is such a powerful scene. Hector, a man of principles and honor, steps out of his way and strikes down Menelaos, the King of Sparta, in a dishonorable way. And he does this to save a coward that comes crawling towards him and who lost all honor. Because he is his Brother. Hector loves his principles of Honor, royalty and worthiness, but he loves his brother more.
I can't believe they killed Menelaus off like that even though he didn't even die in the books, he was actually in the Odyssey and helped out Telemachus.
Well according to writer David benniof there were three reasons why that decision was made: 1. They needed to up the stakes and show that hector is a capable warrior by killing two kings 2. Because he never intended to conclude the plotline between Menelaus, Paris and Helen, so he found the character to be pointless 3. They needed to clearify that the reason for the war wasn't about Helen But because of Agamemnon wanted desperately to take over troy
@@woj5924 lol no it doesn’t. It’s a GREAT decision and puts Hector in a FANTASTIC light that showcases that he cares about his family more than anything else, even above honor, which is valid for of EVERYONE out there! This should be EXTREMELY obvious here. Come on!
"He's my brother" this is such a powerful line. There's no greater feeling than having your big bro open up a can of whip ass and save you when you are in some deep shit.
Yea he was stupid for not discarding his shield, when Meneleus did. He was too cowardly on blocking his hits, he never thought of strategy of making him miss.
His tactics were really dumb in general. He had sword and shield while Menelaos threw his away. Just block and swing if you decide to go in. Even if the pure strengh pushes you down he could still slice his legs. And while he bleeds out from wounds at the thighs (Wich was a common tactic at the time) he wouldnt last long. In a pure fistfight hed be fucked.
@@vaarkobke3102 What do you mean, his shield was advantage till his opponent became faster by discarding his. Now he is carrying something that is slowing him down and even though he can block hits, he is eventually worn down by all the strikes. He would be better suited if he tried to make him miss without blocking his strikes, because Meneleus was fat, put too much power in his swings, and didn't have best footing. If he was clever he would have insulted him and made him do something stupid to gain advantage, not acted like big target that got worn down and beaten.
@@vaarkobke3102 I think thatconstantly receiving smashes through your shield might be exhausting, specially if they come from such a strong oponent. If he wanted to keep the shield he should at least tried some evading techniques if he know someone, instead of receiving all of Menelaus hits.
This film is so beautifully coreographed. Even I, as someone who's never wielded a sword before, could see the massive difference in skill between the two.
he was far and wide the best part of the movie. Certainly the best performance. Peter O'Toole was great as he always was, but Eric Bana stole the show.
@@scottfairbanks759 True. His character kept me glued to the screen. I gotta be honest, when he died, I was caught of guard. I was kinda expecting it but I kinda wasn't at the same time. I had never heard this story before. But man, after his death, I did not feel the same investment in the plot as before.
@@fromthecore3691 problem was earlier in the movie, Paris told Hector that he would die for Helen. Sure I'd defend him because he's my blood but I wouldn't be proud to be his brother after going back on his words and endangering our family and the whole freaking kingdom.
Doesn’t even have to be younger siblings, I’m the youngest of my family, and I ain’t gonna stand by and watch them get hurt by someone else, even if they deserve it. Ok if they deserve it I might watch them a take a few hits just for amusement. But not if it’s a life or death scenario.
Got to hand to Orlando Bloom, he played the part of a pathetic fighter very well in this film, he was the most badass elf of all time, and a serious fighter in Kingdom of Heaven, such range! haha
He played Paris right after doing LOTR. It must have been strange to play a wimp like him after playing a killing machine like Legolas for months. Spartan king wouldn't have lasted a minute in a fight with Legolas or Will Turner.
He has as shield too, if he had just used that, and kept his sword at pointing stance, he could not have let him come close, making sure to take short and fast stabs whenever he came too close. He would get tired in a while due to his size and arrogance. Then you could start trying to get in a serious blow.
@123TauryZ321 even worse, Menelaus was defending his pride there, Paris should have just danced circles around him and taunt him like 'cant you even get a single real hit on me? you're as slow as a hippo! Thats why she left you! A woman like that doesnt need a hippo to crush her, she wants an athletic young man who pleases her and you Menelaus, are certainly not pleasant"... He'd gone apeshit in some blind rage n he'd have left open plenty of spots to strike a fatal blow. All Paris had to do is, indeed: tire him a bit and get him angry...wáit for an opening.
@CmiWuk Good one!! upvote for the well placed joke! (And yes! Exactly like Oberyn Martell danced around the Mountain... thats how Paris had a chance against Menelaus)
Gleeson was absolutely perfect. Angry as hell about his wife, so much so that he remembers it throughout the whole fight. Not young, not fit, but strong as hell... a guy who's killed a hundred times and absolutely knows what he's doing. But props to Bloom too. As Paris he played a guy who absolutely CAN'T fight, even though we've seen he can play a guy who fights like a madman. Well done.
@@eljoho622 I'm pretty sure he was at least capable, if middle-aged. Thing is in the Iliad both the Greek and Trojan armies are so full of superhuman badasses that even capable warriors look just average in comparison.
It's like, for a moment, he reminiced that time when they were hugging each other like brothers during the ceremony, and now look where they stand. Probably not what the director intended, but I suspect it was the actor's own take on how Menelaus would've felt as he died. Whayever the case, I love it, in a somewhat tragic way.
And the really sad thing is that even though Hector died, Menelaus actually returned to Sparta with Helen and they lived the rest of their lives happily in the mythology codified by Homer. Hector would have been proud that Helen was back with her rightful husband.
Good observation. Menelaus I think believed Hector to understand be in synch on what is happening. All of this is literally just Paris's fault. None of this grief or potential death would happen if he didn't take Helen. Everyone knows Menelaus was wronged and Hector stabbing him shocked him because ultimately he thought the failure of Paris as a leader. As a person. Would be enough to tell Hector its best to let him go for the sake of Troy and everyone involved.
I'm pretty sure Agamemnon wouldn't be laughing if he and Hector were fighting each other instead of Paris and Menelaus. His fat ass would be crawling on the ground towards brother and his army in a matter of minutes.
"Make him swing and miss, he'll tire" *Paris proceeds to do the opposite, swinging wildly and tiring himself out while Menelaus blocks/dodges most of his attacks*
He started defensive but Menelaus literally beat him down until he was on his knees. So he panicked and started offensively. Honestly it wasn’t a bad idea because Paris could barely hold his shield let alone wait for an opening.
@@shafo4384 but GETTING hit also takes the wind outta you. Add in tension brought about by stress, and I doubt Paris could've outlasted Menelaus even if he remembered what Hector told him.
@@rnaD86 Menelaus was arguably as battle-hardened as Prince Hector and was a real whoopass machine. Paris had low odds in the fight. That said he could have fought on without scurrying to Hector at the end.
Menelaus may have had a point, but Hector was absolutely in the right too. "He is my brother." Such a simple, albeit powerful, line. Family comes first, no matter what. You defend them to your dying breath, even if they are in the wrong.
Even if you have to betray your entire country? He was the crown prince the heir to the throne if he is willing to disregard everything for his family like that, then he is unworthy of the throne!
nah, honor is worth more, it's not like every family member is perfect. paris was a coward and more worm than man, he should have died there, simple as that. Hector was a tool and paid the price
a stupid thought. and then several families were killed and the city was destroyed because of the breaking of the pact. Family doesn't always come first. what a selfish man.
+TheCoolProfessor actually he could have won but he sucks ; each adversary has his weak points, here for example menalas is indeed big and strong, but he's slow and lacks agility; if paris had for example run and slipped between his legs, he could have cut his leg by the back, for example his achilles tendon, so he wouldn't be able to stand up/walk no more, then he could have stood up in his back and finish him with a shot in the neck
"think of your sword and his sword, nothing else" best line ever from a greatest warrior. Btw many thinks hectar killing menelaos is dishonor. Yes agree, but even if paris continue and lost the battle, the war will still take place because they came for the troy, not for hellen.
That line is really great. I actually actively recall it whenever I am under pressure. Focus on the moment, on the task at hand. Not what might or might not happen in the future, what other people think and so on.
What an absolute coward. I remember seeing this for first time as a kid. Even then i recognized the cowardice of Troy and rooted for the Greeks up till the end.
@@aaronnantz2289 Yeah, that's what makes a good actor, a good actor, if you can love the actor but hate the character they are playing then they did a wonderful job.
Both armies were like "fuck, now we all have to die" when he started crawling away
Jim Sharp dude that's fucking hilarious lol
Guys in the front line are saying, "shit, there goes my saturday golf game....c'mon man".
Ian Fleming lol or the virgin soldiers, , would be like oh fuck my life,,now am gonna die a Virgin over this prick Paris for banging Helen lol
lmao
Great fight scene though. The Hector versus Achilles is one of the best ever!
“See the crows? They’ve never tasted prince before.”
That is one terrifying line…
"How about one fat arse king" immediately popped in my head.
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I'm pretty sure, this "fat arse king" has already eaten prince before.
@@MarpoLoco Oh yes that's how he got so big.
Psychological warefare loool
Spartans strike fear into the hearts of the enemy. We kill the enemy, but we do not hate them.
"IS THIS WHAT YOU LEFT ME FOR? " The way he delivered that line.
Well yeah. Everyone and their mom would leave that fat fuck for a 22 year old Orlando Bloom
too bad for menelaus that a relationship is not about who fights better. i guess buying yourself a much younger bride as if she’s meat is also not a good start for a loving and trusting relationship.
Yeah it was brutal how he mentions it!
@@monicad99Yeah it's about who conquers. This relationship shit is a modern invention. For millennia women were trophies and submitted to the conqueror. Which is what Helen did in the story. The women never fought back against invading armies. Just submitted.
You look like you're delivering that line even more passionately in your profile pic.
"stand back prince hector" this shows that menelaus was a man of respect
If paris had died then the deaths from war could be averted.. shame
That didn’t happen
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That’s his brother he was about to kill though, I’d make that decision 10/10 and not lose any sleep over it
@@TheJokerx420 I'd do the same. FUCK "honor", if it was my brother about to get his head cut off in front of me, I'd swing the my sword as hard as I can to kill Menelaus.
@@TheJokerx420 then allow me to congratulate you, mate.
I am not so sure. If I had a brother like Paris, I'd have let Menelaus to kill him
Paris vs Menelaus
Winner: Hector
Hotel? Trivago
Winner: Plot armor.
dumb question but why ddint hector fight him first
@@randomrazr Because Paris is the one who started the duel between him and Menelaus.
Not for long
Hector: “Swing and miss, he’ll tire”
Paris: “Swing and miss, I’ll tire. Got it.”
🤣🤣🤣
Just like it was him doing most of the offensive vs Achilles and got tired LOL
Thanks, I needed that...🤣
My brother is an idiot, but he too pretty to die.
Chip Cobb
2:05 the brother's laugh always gets me..
Mike Tyson's reaction to Jake Paul's challenge before accepting it 😂
That sound a tea kettle makes when you leave it too long on the stove 😂
How that laugh never became a meme I’ll never know lol.
How the hell isn’t it a meme yet?
Can I say though, Orlando Bloom’s acting in this is spectacular. I have never cringed so much as I did when he started to crawl to Hector. He played it so pathetically and I could really feel that immaturity and naivety in his performance. Bloom, up until this film, had been in LOTR and Pirates 1, playing very honourable, kind and selfless characters, characters that were beyond their years. It was truly a testament to his acting ability honestly. I just feel he really does deserve some mad street cred 🫳🎤
He deserves credit for his willingness to take the part too. As somebody setting up a career as romantic and heroic leading roles, especially a man who is very good looking but also somewhat slight and accused of being a pretty boy, to take the role of one of the ultimate pretty boy, coward, fuckups in the entire history of human storytelling was probably a move some of his business managers cautioned against.
Absolutely agree! It took guts, for sure. But I really do think it benefitted his career in the long-run. Especially being in a film with an all star cast and working with Ridley Scott. It would have been different and fun to play around with.@@adamseidel9780
Don't forget Balin in Kingdom of Heaven. Orlando Bloom was...I hate to say it but very much a Gary Sue. in that Movie. yet he was heroic, accountable and dedicated. The contrast with Paris in Troy shows how skilled he is as an actor.
"he played it so pathetically " incredible 😂
@@adamseidel9780 ye well said, Compared to Hector, If Menelaus was fighting Hector, Menelaus wouldn't toy with him like with Paris
I was here for Agamemnon's reaction. That whistling laugh is golden.
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Best laugh is when you can barely breathe or make noise. When I saw that in theaters I was dying. Shows how pathetic Paris is that he isn’t even deemed a threat
Yeah, specially when points at them with his finger
2:05
Yeah, galifianakis meme
"This is not honor! This isn't worthy of royalty!"
The guy may be an asshole, but he has a point.
Luiz Marinho Notice Hector didn’t disagree.
They was a real men !
Menelaus is a lot cooler in the Iliad. He's more level-headed, honorable, he doesn't die, and even manages to get Helen back.
@@megabladechronicles962 he also is described to have fair ankles and shapely thighs. Hes gonna have to watch out for the Zeus eagle
Agree, but, having a younger brother is a bitch. You have to defend him right or wrong. You never know he may end up killing the greatest fighter ever.
When I was a kid Achilles was my favourite character but when I got older I realised Hector is the best character in this film.
So true.
Hector(as portrayed in the movie) is the ideal man and solider, his values are perfect and his emotions always in check.
I think Achilles is the best character as he displays far more human and relatable traits, he has a conflict with in himself that he struggles with(isn't shown too much in the movie but in the Iliad is quite notable)
same here. Achilles was my favorite character when I was 25 years old. Now, I'm a 35 family man. Hector is the ideal man I'm trying to become.I remember, Achilles said at the beginning of the movie: "imagine a king who fights his own battles, wouldn't that be a sight"
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Man that pressure cooker laugh of Agamemnon always cracks me up. So funny 😂
Pressure cooker laugh 😂😂😂
@@jruth77 had me dyin bruh
Man said pressure cooker lmfao
I like how Menelaus says "Prince Hector" it shows that he has respect to men who deserve it.
Well said. I did not see that and I'm glad you pointed it out.
The series Troy: fall of a city, despite its defects, does not have as many gross errors as this film as killing agamemnon and menelaus.
Menelaus was a creepy bitter man. He needed to Chill and get another wife maybe one who actually loves him.
@@arielaariel4497 in the Iliad Menelaus was a better character and he also didn't die
@@megabladechronicles962 I studied iliad in school, he wasn't that better, agamemnon was more talked about, menelaus kinda hid behind him. He was at his prime a great warrior but in time period he see was more like a side character he wasn't even fully commited to chase after helen agamemnon convinced him and killed his own daughter igigeneia to start the war.
"see the crows? They've never tasted prince before." Savage
And he looks hahahhaahhahaha
2:06
Paris really wimped out. But hey give him credit for at least drawing first blood.
PunchFor Pound What are you talking about? That was a ramble without any real basis of argument....Were you asking genuine questions or being rhetorical?
PunchFor Pound PunchFor Pound You’re thinking way too much about that line. Let’s assume a Prince had indeed perished on the battlefield in that geographical region at some point in history before sorry Paris got caught up in this little dispute. And let’s assume the corpse was eaten by crows, well a crow lives for what? 15 years or so? You can therefore interpret that he’s referring to the crows alive in that moment, who have never tasted the blood of a prince before. As Jurgen Klopp would say...”Boom”. Honestly, the film Troy is so full of far fetched scenes and fantastical ideas that it’s ironic you would choose to criticise that particular line, which is actually one of the more realistc scenes in the film in comparison to others. It’s almost like that line ruined the ‘realness’ of the movie for you...it’s a movie about Greek gods mate come on. Besides, you were not correct about the crow thing anyway.
Do you feel like we’ve bridged the ‘cultural gap’ now or shall we keep going?
3:18 I love the acting here, you can really see that hector is torn between honor and protecting his little brother. The honorable thing would've been to let his brother die. After all, his little brother is a man, who has entered an agreement with the opponent. It even looks like he agrees with what Menelaus says about royalty. Hector knows that Paris is being an absolute coward, disgraceful and pitiful, however he is not about to turn away his little brother who is literally at his feet begging him to save his life.
huge mistake by hector and he paid the price, Achilles is THE MAN, F*** Hector!
fucking absolutely
A coward wouldnt have agreed to the fight and show up. It was actually quite brave with the lack of skill he has to even propose it. he was beaten and intelligent enough to know he lost. Being scared for your life isnt cowardice, he did the only thing he could to save his life. Most ppl would do the same looking death in the eye its not cowardice.
@@hattorihanzo562 it was dishonorable and cowardly to agree to fight the other bearded guy to the death, and have the victor keep Helen of troy, only to backout and run away when losing and keep Helen anyways. He didn't even have to agree to that in the first place, could've just stayed in troy with Helen safe behind walls as the battle raged on seeing as Agamemnon was going to set his army upon them no matter what. But he chose to duel the guy and then punked out, Paris thought it would be heroic, poetic. But his older brother told him on the boat, there is nothing glamorous about it. Hector being a man of honor, even when facing certain death (as shown in his fight against Achilles) knows that this is cowardly, he knows what it is to enter an agreement between men and would never run away in a way such as this, crawling and basically begging for his life. I mean, think of how different that scene would've been when he fights Achilles, had he tried running away from death when losing. Hector wouldn't break his honor this way to save his own life, however, for Paris, like he said, 'He is my brother.' He isn't about to let him die when he's begging for life. Doesn't matter if his intentions or his attempt were brave, in the end he ran away like a 🐝 -otch.
@@eduardof631 i dont see it that way, a coward wouldnt hve fought to begin with.
Like him or not, Agamemnon's laugh was priceless.
2:05 Agamemnon's laugh is priceless.
When the water you're boiling is ready and the kettle starts to whistle
Man, Iam coming here to listen his laugh, not to watch the battle xD
Aga-meme-non
*W H E E Z E*
@@shitboi4138 my friend laughs like him
Ah, he surrenders and runs away. No wonder the French named their capital Paris.
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This comment is underrated af
No wonder French always lose all war they fought🤣
@@rabbitand4339 napoleon is laughing
Hector being the family protector above all else was his downfall. Paris knew this and took full advantage all his life
He fought toe to toe on that sand while his family watched comfortably from a high tower
Toe to toe?That little shit ran and ran to his brothers safety after he stole that man’s wife and agreed to fight it’s his fault he got to fight don’t defend this little bitch
“They’ve never tasted prince before”
So friggin badass
Menelaus: “Is this what you left me for?”
Me: “ I feel you bruh!!!”
Now I finally realize he was talking to Helen when he said that I couldn’t figure out who he was talking to but now I realize it was Helen
every ex ever
@@davidmanners9076 There was only the one person in the film who left him. He shouts it loudly so she can hear him and the camera cuts to her just as he finishes saying it. You really couldn't figure out who he was talking to?.
@@macman975 Aii bro shut the fuck up you weirdo already said I noticed it 4 days ago lol stfu🤷🏾♂️
Devastating line
And earlier in the movie Paris told Hector he was willing to die for Helen his words were pointless as he has no honor
This annoyed me so freaking much! He wants her, then he has to fight for her like he said. But he runs away and let’s other men die?! This horrible coward!
Yeah, hector was right when he said to paris "You know nothing about dying and you know know nothing about love!"
I really don't understand Helen. If I was in her place, I would just pack my bags, leave Paris and go back to greek camp. Like what does she have in Troy?.She is greek, she lived there for her whole life. She has a family there. The only reason she was in Troy was Paris. And after he fought so cowardly for her, she should have left him.
@@anitahausnerova2139 in the original iliad she was actually mind tricked by aphrodite after she made a deal with paris to give him Helen in exchange for a golden apple
Or maybe he found out on the field of battle that it wasn't as easy to face death in reality as to talk about it.
I like how the king was saying “fight him son, fight him”.. shows he was also a badass when he was young
No he want him to die in honour
Helen didn't like that
Such an honourable king he knows he’s son would die but still wants him to do the honourable and right thing
1:15 What I love about the brilliance of this scene is just how much it shows how big of a novice Paris is to actual fighting. The way he hesitantly approaches, with his defenses already up to full and his sword pointing out. Contrast that with how a seasoned fighter like Achilles approaches a fight, so skilled that he has the confidence to approach it semi-relaxed. Menelaus knows this so obviously that he's fighting a total wimp that he throws away his shield because he knows he won't need it and proceeds to even take Paris's away from him right out of his own hands. He absolutely steamrolled Paris.
Menelaus' shield would have been useful when he got closer to Hector!
yes we just watched what you described. I thought you were saying something new lol
@@saeedk641 This is the depth of most CZcams comments these days, just describing the video (and for some reason they get hundreds of likes)
Achilles was like Hercules...a literal man god. Why compare Paris to Achilles?
Fighting form. You can be a talentless god at fighting.@@charlesdixon552
I love how Achilles shows up afterwards like, “What’d I miss?”
Also when he leaves during the battle 'Okay im done here nvm'
I wish he witnesses it all and was like “So we really started a war because of that little coward”
@@Crusher888 his war started when his nephew died.
@@planetoftheapen1559 not nephew but lovers 💏 Achilles wes GEY
He was watching the whole time
Menelaus had so much respect for Hector he didn't even question his honor. He believed Hector would've let him kill Paris at his feet and that's why he didn't go for Hector first. Hector chose family over honor, Menelaus should've remembered that. Hector reminded him, "He is my brother "
Paris was a disgrace.
@@GrnChli ikr, Paris was a lil bij.
GrnChli5280 Agamemnon didn’t sail his army across the ocean for his brothers wife. There was going to be war regardless
@@J.D905 they did t Kno tho
Linda hoe yes they did. Hector is the one that said that
@@GrnChli It wouldn't have saved anyone.. If you watch the whole movie instead of just this clip, Agamemnon is going to have his army attack after the duel regardless of who wins. He came here to conquer Troy and take full control of the Aegean, not to watch his brother swing swords with a pretty boy.
0:38 Menelaus is so great a warrior he turned his bronze sword into a light saber by simply slowly swinging it.
Technically, losing your wife to a pretty boy coward scuttling away is even worse than losing your wife in the first place.. This was why he was so angry!
Can you blame him, though? Whether he was an asshole or not, his feelings in this moment I would say are understandable.
Because of one coward prince, thousands of soldiers had to fight an unnecessary war.
Thts how it always is unfortunately bro
That was a fake premise, greece always wanted to invade troy.
@@guruxara7994 True
Guru Xara Helen’s kidnapping by Paris was the excuse for it though. They even depict it in the movie that Agamemnon tells his brother he’s going to go to war for him, but later he says he’s happy this happened because now he could go take Troy.
Md Amir Subhan And his people were annihilated
"fight him son, fight him!".
Encouraging your son to fight on, even when it looks likely he will die, that's honor on a whole new level.
No that is pure stupidity. But, Priam was not the samartest one...
Im Greek...honour is absolutely the most important thing specially in battles... Το να πεθανεις μαχομενος ειναι οτι πιο ενδοξο μπορεις να εχεις για τελος!
MrBanausos Exactly.
@@georgederuiter1412 He was putting his kingdom before his own son, bro.
@JMurphy facts
I love when Menelaus shouts "Is this what you left me for!"
In the account of Dares, the Phrygian, Menalaus, King of Sparta was described as "..of moderate stature, auburn-haired, young, strong and very handsome, had an extremely pleasing personality." A very fierce warrior. Like Achilles and Odysseus, he struck down so many men, there were oceans of blood at his feet. Yet, an extremely kind and wise ruler. Thought to be the fairer beside his brother, Agamemnon. He was blessed by the Gods. Rich, charitable and also forgiving. After 9 years of war with the Trojans, he finally took Helen back home to Sparta and ruled.
You think mericans would show respect to the Illyad?
His brother was more of an arrogant, fierce and authoritative sort. His looks were stern and hard rather than smooth and gentle - his face and eyes are even compared to Zeus to convey his authority and the power in his gaze. Thus he was less handsome. Menelaus was well mannered, self sacrificing, forgiving, and positively gentle in comparison to most of the Achaean kings. His fiercest battles were when he was rescuing Odysseus and protecting Patroclus’ body. That is telling of his character. Him and his brother were treated very badly in this adaptation.
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Well Troy loses badly so they made them the "bad guys." If this was done after game of thrones it might have had a better chance.
@@Raximus3000 Directed by Wolfgang Petersen
...awkward
@@Raximus3000small fact that the movie was actually written by one of the writers of game of thrones, David Beniof who, after the film was criticised for the inaccuracies from Illiad, stated that : "The script covers the Trojan War in its entirety, whereas The Iliad is only one fragment of it. I didn't want to have little titles saying, 'Flash forward nine years.' It would have made it more faithful to the source material, but it wouldn't have been effective for the movie. I always followed the route that I thought was better for the movie; if that meant that I was cheating on Homer then so be it."
I love how when Menelaus draws his sword it's all heavy sounding, like a huge piece of iron, but when Paris draws his, its all small and bitchy sounding.
it's bronze not iron
lol
That's because Menelaus drawn his sword slower than Paris
@Thiago Goulart Goes to show how the skill of the wielder is far more important.
"Bitchy sounding" I'm in fucking tears
"This is not honor. This is not worthy of royalty."
Badass line
There is no thing such as honor when it comes to war. Only win or lose
Indeed, that was not honourable. But human. And that's exactly why Helena valued Paris so much more.
@@MarpoLoco
Both Helen & Hector were actually deeply ashamed of Paris in the Iliad. Helen also states, in the Odyssey, she regrets ever running away from Sparta. As well as that it was actually Aphrodite who gave her a lust & passion for Paris, rather than any deeper feeling of love. I mean, Paris was a coward. I would be deeply ashamed to have him as a brother or a lover.
@@soundwavesuperior28
What's so bad about being a coward? I suspect most of the people in the world are descendants of surviving cowards, not dead heroes.
@@MarpoLoco wrong! we are descendants of brave men whether they were good or bad. People used to kill and invade each other and only strong and brave tribes survived not the weak and cowards
1:08 That’s actually frightening, imagine being a noob facing an experienced warrior to death while being surrounded for both armies, while partially have this angle vision.
It's his own fault for being a noob . The guy has literally nothing to do but train for battle all his life ( as a prince ) but spend his time chasing married women .
Patroclos is as young maybe younger yet he was very good in battle . Difference between the two ? One trained the other chased women .
@@stormbringer2840 I mean he did train in archery. You don’t pick-up the bow and be able to kill a man with pin-point accuracy in two days?
@@kirklanyoshinaga8953 according to the mythos … it was Apollo who guided the arrows .
But yeah in the context of this movie I guess sniping away unassuming soon to be ally is a skill in itself .
I always found the portrayal of Menelaus interesting in Troy; he's shown as a cruder, brutish man, and that Helen left him for Paris because of this. The Illiad shows Menelaus as, in fact, an honorable king amongst the other Greeks, and that Helen's fleeing with Paris is more the work of guile and the trickery of Aphrodite, who promised Helen to Paris as his wife. Interesting how things change when the gods are removed. I always wanted to see a movie of the Trojan War with the gods in it.
Menelaus is King of Sparta, so I am not surprised that they depicted him as a brute.
@@nm7358Yeah, but fat brute.
@@billsykes2977 He's a tank though. Tanks look fat but are pure muscle.
Women have been 304s since Adam and Eve. Every religious scripture has warned us against that 😂😂
When Hector says "he is my brother" ... he was saying, honor or no honor, pact or no pact, coward or no coward.. I have to protect him!
exactly!
In the director's cut before the kidnapping he warns Paris that if he has an affair with Helen, thus bringing war to Troy, he'll rip off his face. And now that exactly happened: Paris brought the war, and what's worse, he has shown cowardice, a great sin to ancient Greeks.
But Paris is still his brother, and no matter how much he hates him for all the above, he still has to protect him.
And then Achilles did the same later on to him...
requirement to be a hollywood screenwriter: use cocaine and lose touch with reality when writing a story
For the ancients, honor was above all and the true hector did nothing to save Paris from menelaus.
The screenwriter used a lot of cocanina and changed the Greek values to an escapist fantasy of self insertion, for the public to believe that hetcor would put his honor aside to save his brother. Even Helen despised him.
@@odysseus3285
Unfortunately screenwriters need to create drama ...the substance abuse may be entirely recreational though...
"Is THIS what you left me for!?" The best moment of this movie...
No body in the world can control a girl .. because they are not the limit ..
HAHAHA left a SPARTAN king for a dishonourable pussy. they should've shown the true ending, where Paris dies and Helen gets returned to Menelaus
@@pokereich Menelaus would have killed Helen after he got her back anyways. Honor would have demanded it.
@@blackgenetics6206
No he wouldn't have. In the original Illiad story Menelaus survived and took Helena with him back to Sparta.
@@juanlaise1059 ...so, in other words, tens of thousands had to die, just so fatso here could get back some used-up poon..?
_Pffft_ - I think I prefer this adaptation.
I love how Hector pushed down his brother first to protect him and then stabbed the enemy...
Nah he pulled his brother's sword out of the sheath
Hector: "Get him to swing and miss. He'll tire."
Paris - proceeds to swing and miss, and tires.
Legolas is shaking his head somewhere right now.
Legolas would fuck him up in 3 seconds 😂😂
@@artcahanaj7301 😂
Even Balian of Ibelin would be pissed.
what about will turner
@@artcahanaj7301 More like 1 & a half seconds :P
Paris is the absolute worst. Earlier he said he wasn't going to ask Hector to fight his battles for him. Less than two minutes into the fight, he runs whimpering to big brother.
Menelaus's waxing melodic about how the vultures were going to have a ball eating Paris didn't exactly help in getting Paris to calmly hold still for the sword strike.
He sure was a good archer tho! Look at how easily
he put Achilles out of commission.
Austin Bowler actually he did ask hector when they were leaving Sparta for Troy
@@radrook4481 if you read the books, it was Apollo that entered Paris to take revenge from Achilles.
still this coward was capable of killing the strongest warrior in troy though ;)
Still rewatching to this day. Never gets old!!
The quick shots in between of Aggamemnon laughing are hilarious.
Fun Fact- Orlando Bloom hated Paris as a character also.
I have huge respect for actors that dislike their characters but can still put forth an amazing performance.
Tbf I think everyone in the world is supposed to hate Paris xD be wired if he didn't.
@@somebody700 isnt we supposed to like Paris because of "Rommance"?
@@somebody700 no no i hate him, but the way the story tells about him.
Lol who wouldn't
"This is not worthy of Royalty!" damn, that's a stab to the royal bloodline.
To be fair, so was Hector driving his sword through Menelaus’ chest.
Garret Sheets Up to that point, Hector had proven worthy of his title though. And let’s not forget that when his time came to face off a single man on the opposite side to settle a score, he both told the archers not to do shit, and he went out to fight him with no one around.
Achilles at the beginning of the movie: "imagine a king who fights his own battles, wouldn't that be a sight"
Achilles at 4:11 - "damn, that really was a sight"
damn man, very nice observation
Achilles: "Wouldn't that be a sight"
King gets killed
Achilles: "HOOOLYYY"
@@estebanquinones5918 Actually the king won but the coward Paris did dirty.
3:07 "Is this what you left me for?!" Says the husband openly flirting with the dancers at the beginning of the movie.
2:29 "You see the crows ? They've never tasted prince before."
Brilliant line
And probably accurate as well. A well fed prince would likely be a better meal for the crows that the average soldier.
like it alot
Psychological warfare
Notice how Paris fearfully looks up at the birds of carrion when Menelaus say that. If you don't want somebody to bolt that way, then don;'t go around describing things like that. The kid might bolt and you might be too much of a sack of wine to catch him.
I thought he was talkinh bout his sword not tasting a prince b4...apparently crows not sword...this is one of my fav line from this movie.....I watched this clip for that line haha
Never noticed before, but Hector actually steps towards Paris when he’s crawling away. What a big brother.
Big brother is a shade over head
Hector should've kick Paris in his nuts too for banging other man's wife
he had to stop that cowardice action at once.
Achilles' style of fight is so unique that most of his opponents would/could never train for this. This makes Hector so good to go for so long against him, but like everyone else, fails to be the last man standing.
I always thought that their skill was almost equal, but Achilles just didnt tire out, being a demi god, which ultimately became decisive.
@@Casper-ob1fmmy favorite part in that whole fight is they take the time to show Achilles a bit out of breath. It's the only time in the whole movie where he looks fatigued
Agamemnon's wheezing laughter always makes me laugh hard
to me this is such a powerful scene. Hector, a man of principles and honor, steps out of his way and strikes down Menelaos, the King of Sparta, in a dishonorable way. And he does this to save a coward that comes crawling towards him and who lost all honor. Because he is his Brother.
Hector loves his principles of Honor, royalty and worthiness, but he loves his brother more.
Sonny S yeah "real".
in the original story, paris is saved by the goddess athena who carries him away to saftey.
who doesnt love his brother
Family ties: a principle modifier
JAMES HULL
Athena? But wasn't she on the side of the greeks? Didn't she hate Paris for not giving her the apple of Eris?
Fun Fact: Hector was actually really pissed at Paris' cowardice and lack of skill.
@Eggchin X ??? He’s a gifted fighter. Achilles, is a literal demigod.
Paris is a good archer though
@Eggchin X nothing but ????????????????????????
@Eggchin X who wouldn't
@@goemon9378 uhhh no amigo....the arrow was guided by Apollo into the heel of Achilles
He went from Legolas taking down the oliphant and 50 orcs to this simpering mess. What a great actor.
I can't believe they killed Menelaus off like that even though he didn't even die in the books, he was actually in the Odyssey and helped out Telemachus.
did not like it either, puts Hector is bad light
it's a one off self contained story that they were aiming for that was more realistically grounded.
Well according to writer David benniof there were three reasons why that decision was made:
1. They needed to up the stakes and show that hector is a capable warrior by killing two kings
2. Because he never intended to conclude the plotline between Menelaus, Paris and Helen, so he found the character to be pointless
3. They needed to clearify that the reason for the war wasn't about Helen But because of Agamemnon wanted desperately to take over troy
@@adamcade604 hector only killed ONE king here, not two. And the story is a more REALISTICALLY grounded version of the Illad.
@@woj5924 lol no it doesn’t. It’s a GREAT decision and puts Hector in a FANTASTIC light that showcases that he cares about his family more than anything else, even above honor, which is valid for of EVERYONE out there! This should be EXTREMELY obvious here. Come on!
"THIS IS NOT WORTHY OF ROYALTY" Such a dramatic moment
You left me for this?!
Jantz Washington THIS, IS WHAT YOU LEFT ME FOR?!?!
@@Craig-gq4gb l
Menelaus's face after Hector stabs him:
*Error 404: Honour not found.*
🤣🤣🤣
2:05
😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂
Well he did try to stab a man on the ground with his back turned, makes him kind of a hypocrite to be dishonorable himself.
Hector: "Make him swing and miss, he'll tire"
Paris: "Swing and miss, I'll tire" got it.
"He's my brother" this is such a powerful line. There's no greater feeling than having your big bro open up a can of whip ass and save you when you are in some deep shit.
“Make him swing and miss, he’ll tire.”
> proceeds to allow every swing to land
Yea he was stupid for not discarding his shield, when Meneleus did. He was too cowardly on blocking his hits, he never thought of strategy of making him miss.
His tactics were really dumb in general.
He had sword and shield while Menelaos threw his away. Just block and swing if you decide to go in. Even if the pure strengh pushes you down he could still slice his legs. And while he bleeds out from wounds at the thighs (Wich was a common tactic at the time) he wouldnt last long. In a pure fistfight hed be fucked.
@@vaarkobke3102 What do you mean, his shield was advantage till his opponent became faster by discarding his. Now he is carrying something that is slowing him down and even though he can block hits, he is eventually worn down by all the strikes. He would be better suited if he tried to make him miss without blocking his strikes, because Meneleus was fat, put too much power in his swings, and didn't have best footing. If he was clever he would have insulted him and made him do something stupid to gain advantage, not acted like big target that got worn down and beaten.
@@vaarkobke3102 I think thatconstantly receiving smashes through your shield might be exhausting, specially if they come from such a strong oponent. If he wanted to keep the shield he should at least tried some evading techniques if he know someone, instead of receiving all of Menelaus hits.
@@vaarkobke3102 So the thunder god cant tire your shield arm?
Thats very interesting, can you give me details about the fight?
Eric Bana is such a underrated actor.he is so great in the role of Hector and much other movie roles
Agreed.
He is up there in the Manly Men roles. If I was a woman or gay I would be into him hehe.
Fantastic in "The Hulk".
I JUST REALIZED ITS THE HULK
here a few must see Eric Bana Movies:
Chopper
Cold Blood
Black Hawk Down
Munich
The Hulk
Deliver Us from Evil
Oh i forgot: Troy :-)
Menelaus has done himself a mischief
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This film is so beautifully coreographed. Even I, as someone who's never wielded a sword before, could see the massive difference in skill between the two.
best part was "IS THIS WHAT YOU LEFT ME FOOOOORRRRRR?????
and seeing Helen's reaction, you know what she was thinking "yea....i fucked up? LOL
She makes hand signs "shht, don't embarass me like that you jerk"
she left him for Paris dongus
just a movie... in reallife the fat ugly beserkers get the girls
and Helen's replied " Yes, because ur old and got a limpdickkkkkk!!!!
Actually not, she is relieved when she saw he got stabbed
Eric Bana’s portrayal of Hector was sick.
Hells yeah!
He was simply amazing
he was far and wide the best part of the movie. Certainly the best performance. Peter O'Toole was great as he always was, but Eric Bana stole the show.
@@scottfairbanks759 True. His character kept me glued to the screen. I gotta be honest, when he died, I was caught of guard. I was kinda expecting it but I kinda wasn't at the same time. I had never heard this story before. But man, after his death, I did not feel the same investment in the plot as before.
@@zhin8294 yea man, Hector was a trojan hero he killed 31000 Greek soldeirs in the war but he was fated to die at the hands of Achilles.
Haha the fact menelaus throws his shield laughing shows how little of a threat he sees Paris , he doesn’t even see the need to defend himself 😂
Hector is in an impossible position - but any brother would have done the same.
"Love is the death of honour"
When Hector said "he's my brother" I felt that. As a big brother you do anything to protect your younger siblings
Facts! I don't know what Everybody else on here talking about. But I be damn if you kill my blood in my damn face
@@fromthecore3691 problem was earlier in the movie, Paris told Hector that he would die for Helen. Sure I'd defend him because he's my blood but I wouldn't be proud to be his brother after going back on his words and endangering our family and the whole freaking kingdom.
Damn right, bro! I'm a big brother of two. We're close but not that much, we fight and we argue. But try to hurt my brothers and see what happens...
I protect my elder sister, she's my responsibility. Regards from India
Doesn’t even have to be younger siblings, I’m the youngest of my family, and I ain’t gonna stand by and watch them get hurt by someone else, even if they deserve it.
Ok if they deserve it I might watch them a take a few hits just for amusement. But not if it’s a life or death scenario.
Got to hand to Orlando Bloom, he played the part of a pathetic fighter very well in this film, he was the most badass elf of all time, and a serious fighter in Kingdom of Heaven, such range! haha
He played Paris right after doing LOTR. It must have been strange to play a wimp like him after playing a killing machine like Legolas for months. Spartan king wouldn't have lasted a minute in a fight with Legolas or Will Turner.
He racked up quite a number of kills at the end tho
ikr 2 extremities
¨Most badass elf¨. There are many elves badasser than Legolas, like Glorfindel, Feanor, Fingolfin, Ecthelion etc.., etc..,
And he is a badass in real life too,fighting against Bieber's bodyguards.
I don’t care what anyone says, this film is massively underrated!
Not going to lie when I was 17 and saw this movie I would've died like a man. Now I'm 28 and would've cowered away. Time really changes you.
Hector’s first mistake was taking Paris with him to Sparta for the celebration.
hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
He should have left him in Troy knowing he'd be a liability with other nobles wives'.
His loyalty to his little brother was his downfall
Paris and Helen had already met before. The celebration was supposed to be their last night together, but we all know where that turned out...
"Make him swing and miss, he'll tire."
I don't think our loverboy understood that right.
"Make him swing and miss" *swings and misses himself*
He has as shield too, if he had just used that, and kept his sword at pointing stance, he could not have let him come close, making sure to take short and fast stabs whenever he came too close. He would get tired in a while due to his size and arrogance. Then you could start trying to get in a serious blow.
@123TauryZ321 even worse, Menelaus was defending his pride there, Paris should have just danced circles around him and taunt him like 'cant you even get a single real hit on me? you're as slow as a hippo! Thats why she left you! A woman like that doesnt need a hippo to crush her, she wants an athletic young man who pleases her and you Menelaus, are certainly not pleasant"... He'd gone apeshit in some blind rage n he'd have left open plenty of spots to strike a fatal blow. All Paris had to do is, indeed: tire him a bit and get him angry...wáit for an opening.
Menelaus threw away his shield. So he wasn't concerned about missing..
@CmiWuk Good one!! upvote for the well placed joke! (And yes! Exactly like Oberyn Martell danced around the Mountain... thats how Paris had a chance against Menelaus)
How lucky are we Greeks; being raised with stories of Mythologie, poems and other epic stories before seeing them in movies. Thank you life !
"You think of your sword and his sword and nothing else."
Makes you think how Paris was such a child.
Gleeson was absolutely perfect. Angry as hell about his wife, so much so that he remembers it throughout the whole fight. Not young, not fit, but strong as hell... a guy who's killed a hundred times and absolutely knows what he's doing. But props to Bloom too. As Paris he played a guy who absolutely CAN'T fight, even though we've seen he can play a guy who fights like a madman. Well done.
Gleeson is such an absolutely amazing actor. He kills it in every single movie he is in.
I mean, Gleeson is supposed to play the king of Sparta, long before Leonidas himself, so... yup, you can say he nailed it.
I wouldn't he was strong but Paris was such a patetic fighter that almost everyone would look strong fighting him
@@eljoho622 I'm pretty sure he was at least capable, if middle-aged. Thing is in the Iliad both the Greek and Trojan armies are so full of superhuman badasses that even capable warriors look just average in comparison.
That was Jackie Gleeson??
Love how @ 4:06 Menelaus actually looks hurt, not by the sword, but by that fact that Hector bothered to thrust his sword into him.
It's like, for a moment, he reminiced that time when they were hugging each other like brothers during the ceremony, and now look where they stand.
Probably not what the director intended, but I suspect it was the actor's own take on how Menelaus would've felt as he died. Whayever the case, I love it, in a somewhat tragic way.
@MrDibara I put the blame on Paris, and on his ego.
Hector and Menalaus could have been good friends, even if Menalaus brother was against it.
And the really sad thing is that even though Hector died, Menelaus actually returned to Sparta with Helen and they lived the rest of their lives happily in the mythology codified by Homer. Hector would have been proud that Helen was back with her rightful husband.
Good observation. Menelaus I think believed Hector to understand be in synch on what is happening. All of this is literally just Paris's fault. None of this grief or potential death would happen if he didn't take Helen. Everyone knows Menelaus was wronged and Hector stabbing him shocked him because ultimately he thought the failure of Paris as a leader. As a person. Would be enough to tell Hector its best to let him go for the sake of Troy and everyone involved.
The fact that he killed Achilles makes me lose my fuckin mind
Troy, 300, and Gladiator were and still are my favourites. Along with the LoTR trilogy. And also Empire Earth 2. Awesome.
agamemnon was funny as fuck in this scene
His laughing was priceless
I'm pretty sure Agamemnon wouldn't be laughing if he and Hector were fighting each other instead of Paris and Menelaus. His fat ass would be crawling on the ground towards brother and his army in a matter of minutes.
Cestro Leave Brian Cox alone
Max Headroom cos he lives carnage lol
Agamemnon laughing throughout the fight just makes it for me.
simon roberts maliciously lol
simon roberts
He’s so proud of his brother beating that punk’s ass :P
Its the beginning of look at this dude....
Том.чери
I miss this kind of movies.
I love how the swords just sing through the air in this movie
"Make him swing and miss, he'll tire"
*Paris proceeds to do the opposite, swinging wildly and tiring himself out while Menelaus blocks/dodges most of his attacks*
And menelaus didn’t even have his shield
He started defensive but Menelaus literally beat him down until he was on his knees. So he panicked and started offensively. Honestly it wasn’t a bad idea because Paris could barely hold his shield let alone wait for an opening.
@@ADreadBellow After those strikes to the shield and helmet, Menelaus would have been huffing and puffing soon. Paris is dumb.
@@shafo4384 but GETTING hit also takes the wind outta you. Add in tension brought about by stress, and I doubt Paris could've outlasted Menelaus even if he remembered what Hector told him.
@@rnaD86 Menelaus was arguably as battle-hardened as Prince Hector and was a real whoopass machine. Paris had low odds in the fight. That said he could have fought on without scurrying to Hector at the end.
Paris's survival in this Scene was the worst part of the movie.
I wanted paris to die the most..
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Paris never could kill Archilles. But in this situation he became in a bizarre way Legolas
Well, maybe except for the end scene, where he was one of the few Trojan survivors, despite being responsible for the destruction of his country
Actually according to the Iliad nobody dies..Afrodite saves Paris before Menelaus kill him and the battle is somehow over...
3:08 IS THIS WHAT YOU LEFT ME FOR?!! You can feel the rage and disgust. That's some good acting. Similar to "is this your king?"
In the book after Troy falls and Menelaus takes Helen back home… Menelaus starts to realize Helen wasn’t worth all the trouble
Casting Brian Cox and Brendan Gleeson as brothers was a genius move. They look so similar.
Fun fact: one is Scottish and the other is Irish.
old and ugly?
@@DavyDave1313 shut up
@@bbbg888 haha
@@DavyDave1313 Just like your wife
I don't like how this movie made Menelaus the bad guy. Paris was the actual bad guy in real life.
@The monster under your bed no Paris and Aphrodite tricked Helen into running away with Paris.
Dude, none of this happened "in real life".
@@FrozzenK no. The Illiad andThe Odyssey actually happened. Parts of it may have been dramatized but it did happen
@@hbleblanc205 Yeah sure thing fam. Sure thing.
@@FrozzenK yes it did dumbfuck obviously not exactly like the movie, you edgelord kids really think y'all know everything
Menelaus may have had a point, but Hector was absolutely in the right too.
"He is my brother."
Such a simple, albeit powerful, line. Family comes first, no matter what. You defend them to your dying breath, even if they are in the wrong.
Even if you have to betray your entire country?
He was the crown prince the heir to the throne if he is willing to disregard everything for his family like that, then he is unworthy of the throne!
nah, honor is worth more, it's not like every family member is perfect. paris was a coward and more worm than man, he should have died there, simple as that. Hector was a tool and paid the price
No. I won’t let my brother lose his soul. I will do what’s right, even if that means choosing love glory and honor over bloodline.
a stupid thought. and then several families were killed and the city was destroyed because of the breaking of the pact.
Family doesn't always come first.
what a selfish man.
@@DiegoBR There are things that don't let you live in peace, like letting your brother be killed at your feet will destroy your meaning in life.
Gotta love how quick he pulls that blade out and dispatches menelaus lol
It's like sending a cat to fight a Tyrannosaurus Rex!
+TheCoolProfessor and then we rag on the cat for only lasting 4 minutes, and giving up when the T-Rex bites its leg off. Let's be fair guys...
+TheCoolProfessor Then Achilles is Godzilla lol
+TheCoolProfessor Be careful what you say ! This is Will TURNER !
+TheCoolProfessor actually he could have won but he sucks ; each adversary has his weak points, here for example menalas is indeed big and strong, but he's slow and lacks agility; if paris had for example run and slipped between his legs, he could have cut his leg by the back, for example his achilles tendon, so he wouldn't be able to stand up/walk no more, then he could have stood up in his back and finish him with a shot in the neck
+ToStand That wasn't the style of fighting in 1500 BC.
Agamemnon's laugh had me dying🤣🤣🤣
Χάχαχαχα
Me too 😅😅
The Original "KEKW"
it's already been an iconic laugh for years now
😂😂😂every time
“See the crows, they’ve never tasted prince before”. Then París looks at the crows😅😅😅
"think of your sword and his sword, nothing else" best line ever from a greatest warrior. Btw many thinks hectar killing menelaos is dishonor. Yes agree, but even if paris continue and lost the battle, the war will still take place because they came for the troy, not for hellen.
That line is really great. I actually actively recall it whenever I am under pressure. Focus on the moment, on the task at hand. Not what might or might not happen in the future, what other people think and so on.
True but one side is on an uneasy allience by giving them a reason to unite, ergo kill the traitorous bandits, it is an issue!
"Fight is over", " he is my brother"....... the most touched me
3:08
Me too
Indeed best lines
A useless, cowardly and womanizer of a brother, but still my brother nonetheless ..
I like to believe it's a principles thing, i.e., "if anyone gets to kill my cowardly dipshit of a sibling, it's going to be me..."
Agamemnon's laugh is priceless , he is like "God this is so funny **Grabs popcorn**"
As an older brother, that "He's my brother" line got me. Uff
What an absolute coward. I remember seeing this for first time as a kid. Even then i recognized the cowardice of Troy and rooted for the Greeks up till the end.
A wimpy playboy vs the King of Sparta, gee, I wonder who'll win?
Yep I like the actor orlando bloom but God I hated his character in this film
@@aaronnantz2289 Yeah, that's what makes a good actor, a good actor, if you can love the actor but hate the character they are playing then they did a wonderful job.
Well, it was Legolas versus Alistair "Mad-eye" Moody. Of course he needed the Hulk to save him.
By the time of the Illiad, spartans were not the spartans of Leonidas.
Mike Brammer it was Will Turner vs. Hamish, William Wallace’s best friend