Should Alfa Romeo Rethink Their All Electric Future?
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2024
- By 2027 Alfa's plans to have a range of only electric cars in the future could be a strategy they could back track on as demand and sales for EV's have fallen dramatically! 🔋📉
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I totally expect them to do the same as Maserati and Dodge, offering both ICE and EV Versions. But they should make sure the ICE engines are not only low end four cylinders like in the Junior
Bingo, since the Hurricane engine is available for the STLA platform, using that makes the most sense.
I believe the Junior is getting a 3 cylinder 1.2 ICE.
And I see no problem with 4 cylinders as long as they have turbos.
Yeap, more cylinders bring better sound, but also more
complexity, more moving parts and less overall efficiency.
I don’t think that would be a good move on such small vehicles.
@@miks564 The 3 cylindre 1.2 PureTech, a Peugeot engine, cannot be a good option. PureTech engines are not great.
@@stanislas4990 100% agree. I was just defending 4 cylinder options... Not this 3 cylinders 1.2 from PSA.
Ferrari porsche alfa bmw audi Benz etc... will all fail if they go electric.
Most of them are not as stupid as Alfa to declare "All Electric" They ALL make plenty of gas engines.
alfa isn't stupid, they got forced by sales and by stellantis they're simply going bankrupt@@sainta2667
Many countries and markets are not ready for all electric vehicles. Hybrid models are necessary for many years.
Alfa Romeo have to rethink, and propose more hybrid models.
Thats right, the infrastructure is probably a decade or so away before we are ready for EV mass production.
Yes, they should
Agreed!
Yes and any other manufacturer considering the same should also reconsider.
A lot of them are backtracking as we speak. Just saw an article about Ford doing so today. The presidential election has a lot to do with it as I mentioned in another video.
They definitely need to bui)d a hybrid. Just to protect the brand
And internal combustion too. 😁👍👍
Yup!
They should be a hybrid version of the Junior, I do hope it will be available here in the uk. Regarding the future, the continous poor EV sales may keep mild hybrids being produced!
I dont want EV's to fail either. I just want there to be low enough demand so we can at least have hybrids. Call it selfish but thats my take.
Yes! 110%
I'll even say 1000% haha
I’m betting they’re going to use the Hurricane I6 engines, the standard output for the Veloce or Estrema and the high output for a QV. I would buy either if they’re able to keep a lot of the handling characteristics of the Giorgio platform with the STLA platform which is closely related.
The Dodge Hornet/Alfa Tonale twins are animals. I drove both and the hybrids are very quick. The Hornet is so discounted at this point I cannot believe they are not selling. The R/T plus is amazing. No need for all electric with hybrids like this
all Alfa Romeo had to do was to upgrade the interior and technology on the Giulia and stelvio models to BMW/Audi levels nothing more
And give the 2.0 models 300-350 hp
@@RonsRides exactly!! inline with the Maserati grecale 😭
I can only speak for Europe, but if they don't want to become just a brand for enthusiasts, they shouldn't ignore EVs. In the comfort to premium segment, EVs are already priced on a par with their HEVs. For example, the upcoming facelift of the IONIQ5 with 84kWh battery (168kW motor) costs less than the base HEV Tonale (97kW power unit) in the Netherlands €47,000 versus €48.500 including tax and fees. So for anyone who includes the cost of ownership (fuel+maintenance) in the equation, EVs are already the more economically viable option, especially for people who can charge overnight at home. Maybe they could split their strategy for Europe and North America, but in the price segment of Stelvio and Giulia they would have a hard time in Europe with just ICE.
Anyway looking at EU sales numbers for the first half of 2024 compared to the first half of 2023, BEVs are up 1.3%, even though some countries ended EV subsidy programs last December. On the other hand, in the same period pure petrol vehicles -0.5% and diesel vehicles - 7.5%. The reason why some journalists/influencers talk about the market decline over and over again is because Tesla is down a huge -9.1%, but they are so “independent” (stock owners, affiliate members) that they ignore the rest of the market and think this company represents the entire market. You can easily recognize them by the fact that in almost every article or video title, they mention that company's name regardless of what they are talking/writing about.
I like this observation and breakdown because of the data presented. And I'm with you, EV's shouldn't be ignored. But priority seems crazy. I feel as you said the strategy could be split. Or even if standard ICE is abandoned but Hybrids are integrated. And yeah Tesla always shows up leading the way for bad examples lol.
Absolutely 💯
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For Alfa Romeo, the engine and the styling is what makes the car. So using a Dodge engine as an option is out. People are moving so slowly to full electric therefore further develop the current ICE V6 and 4 cylinder an additional 5 - 7 years and add a hybrid engine alongside. By 2035 the hybrid engine and electric motor will become more acceptable. Still for an electric car a lot to work out from an infrastructure perspective . How are the cars going to be charged parked out on the curb or in a driveway?
Where are the masses of people going to charge the millions of electric cars? That’s the million dollar question
We will never be 100% electric in the USA. If they want to stay in America, they better start listening to their customers. They WILL NOT force us down that electric road. We will buy other brands.
They were very late to the idea in the first place and now they are late to the idea that TVs are not gonna be the future we all dreamed off for 10-15 years minimum, and by then Hydrogen will be the tech were heading into....which of course AR will be late into. This brand drives us nuts, but we wouldn't do anything else.
There is virtually no reason in my world to buy or drive an SUV. To my mind, all are negatives, needless ride height (because of, you know, physics) ,directly leading to inferior handling, added weight, inferior aero, etc. These negative are hardly out weighed by benefits. Why drive a penalty box for 365 days, for the what, four or five times the form factor was actually useful? I guess I just don't get it. As a 3 time Alfa owner, I would say the heritage always got me, and they were all a bit better engineered than their competition. Once you jack up a car 1/2' to a foot higher than it needs to be, engineering and thus handling becomes a moot point. One luggage carrier on wheels is pretty much like another. A new, state of the art Guilia would be good, and a traditional "Junior" sedan slotting in under it would keep me in the brand, but I suppose that is not going to happen, due to the market. Sad that the brand has to build Mitsubishi SUV competitors, instead of what made the brand great: Sporting sedans with a unique Italian flair. So long Alfa, I loved you so much, but we've grown too far apart.
Hybrid for sure. No CVTs! Use a version of the Maserati V6 but make it a smaller bore 2.5 liter, high compression V6 with generator/motor in 8 speed auto. Offer models with recharge or simple hybrids. Result would be great sound, great performance and gas mileage.
Yup! They already have somewhat of a Hybrid formula with the Tonale, expand on that as you said and boom! Perfect scenario!
Fingers Crossed Off Course
👏🏾 Would love to see more Hybrids!
Ron, they don't listen to any advice. Alfa will fail eventually due to their arrogant management. These new Junior models are terrible looking. They should be making a sport coupe from the Giulia model. EV cars are not selling that well, so they need to keep making ICE engines.
What we have to accept is that the alfas of old are gone. And in fact any of the cars of the other fiat brands. The French are now in charge since they sold out. We will now get re heated versions of Peugeots with an Alfa badge. The only thing left that is Italian (for now) is Ferrari.
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If they go 100% ev they are very brave. In last year ev 🚗 have huge problems with selling their product. So Alfa Romeo must have with ev models, hybrid models too. 2.0 petrol engine …
Right, lets have options and choices. There are customers for Alfa Evs, Hybrid and ICE powertrains. Lets cater to them all!
AS an alfista.
the truth is: alfa romeo has no future.
After giulia and stelvio are faded out, there will be no original product, just a rebrand from stellantis.
Electric cars sales are the reason they might change their mind. Hybrid might make better short term sense
Hybrid is the perfect middle man!
Electric vehicles are not selling. Why convert the entire line up into something that’s going to sit? I don’t get it!!
I think that was the ambitious goal years ago during the EV boom thats now not looking so sustainable.
I had a problem stomaching Alfa and Maserati installing diesel engines, now EV, no way! Bad decision. High performance, low emission ICE with hybrid or without is the answer for the aforementioned brands. The AR Junior will sell better with a 1.5 ICE + PHEV or plain Hybrid (Sprint model) and a 2.0 litre ICE Turbo petrol (Veloce model, as present Giulia). I'm sure this would protect the AR brand and Junior model, the Junior to me is not an Alfa (looks Korean at the back/French at the front to me), in it's present form it is going to be a hard sell. With it's racing heritage AR should be looking at developing road engines around synthetic, non toxic fuels. The EV revolution, if you can call it that, will fade fast. It is already showing signs. There is always Hydrogen. How is AR Tonale 280 PHEV selling globally I wonder?
95% of Alfa Romeo's are sold in Europe and between 2025 and 2035 each and every EU country has a ban on the sale of new ICE vehicles. It would be suicide the keep building ICE vehicles.
As we have already seen, those "rules" can change.
@@rlsedition Rules could change but will not disappear. The rules in Norway take effect in 6 months, those will not be reversed. The Netherlands has 25% of all EU public chargers in their borders, they are not going to change their rules. Neither will Iceland that has electric (thermal) power in abundance but no oil at all. Volvo and Polestar are too far on the full-EV road, Sweden will support those companies and don't change course.
Germany, Italy and Spain might soften their stance.
I can see eastern Europe drop all their EV policies but that is a (poor) and small market.
@@buddy1155 OK, so some countries in the EU might stay the course on EVs. That doesn't suggest an EV takeover anytime soon. The smart companies will offer both ICE and EV products and let consumers decide.
They are being pressured by the EU.
Oh thats for sure, I feel like the EU started it.
Yes, of course! But Mr. Tavares is on a Mission to ruin this proud Brand - he could offer both for the next models - EV and Ice - but no way - only EV is going wrong👎
Tim I really hope Tavares reverses course...