Chronicles Volume 4 Finally Confirms that Thrall Never Cheated!
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- The question on whether or Thrall cheated in his Mak'gora from about a decade ago is finally answered.
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Honestly? It makes no sense. Why would Garrosh who had 0 magic allow Thrall to use magic? This seems to me that writers were bought by Thrall propaganda team.
It's literally just people trying to retcon an error that made and the peons lapping it up like the good little sheeple that they are.
i mean how would a mage ever engage in a mak'gora if no magic is allowed
@@hejalll because it's an orc tradition. Orcs have no mages.
@@SpaceMarine113 also the mak'gora is a tradition older than orc shamans
Because Garrosh was arrogant and thought he could beat Thall even with his Shaman powers.
Thrall during WOTLK prepatch: *Uses shaman powers against Garrosh*
Wow Players: “We sleep”
Thrall during WOD: *Uses shaman powers against Garrosh*
Wow Players: REAL SHIT
I feel like the reason why people legitimately believed that thrall cheated was because Thrall didnt start using his elemental powers until after Garrosh was gaining the upper hand during the duel. Maybe if he used his powers from the beginning people wouldnt mark thrall as a "Cheater".
That plus Patrick Seitz's voice acting was very intense and emotional, making it easier to side with Garrosh.
It was stated that he was holding back. If you add the narration from Chronicle on top of the cinematic dialog, it would make sense
Thrall had to build up maelstrom first.
Side with Garrosh? The power hungry warmonger who put orcs above other races, executed prisoners and tortured former allies? Nah thanks.
@@Kanaab47 you'd be surprise how many people actually wished he remained our evil warchief.
Like Anduin, Thrall's guilt is the obstacle that limits his power over the elements. The guilt over maybe not having to use the elements to destroy Garrosh, but the mistake of promoting Garrosh as Warchief that weighs heavily on him.
Finally! Validation!
I've been a supporter of "Thrall didn't cheat" for years as well. It's nice to finally have it confirmed and laid out in writing.
I mean yeah, after all Thrall used his elemental powers in the Mak'gora in the WotLK prepatch against Garrosh then. I think it was because of how his powers went on the fritz afterward that made people think he cheated, but that was due to the emotional turmoil created from the fact that Garrosh was right that Thrall was partially to blame for everything Garrosh did.
I never understood while everyone claims thrall cheeted.
- The only source that claims you cant use magic in makgora is from a movie that was not sticking to the established canon in many cases, but for some reason when it came to makgora rules everyone is like YEP its in the movie so its canon.
- Thrall was already in makgora vs garrosh in wotlk and he was using elements + weapon in front of the whole orgrimmar and nobody said anything about cheating then.
- There is a comic (canon) that had makgora duel where they used magic.
I still don’t get why people are so up in arms about this. Thrall never cheated. The rules of the Mak’gora are clear: there are no rules except those the combatants agree to. It’s a test of honor as much as it is a test of skill and strength. If one party declares “Mak’gora!” and doesn’t lay out ground rules at the start, then it’s anything goes, no holds barred, magic included.
The only thing that seems to be strictly forbidden is the use of poison, probably because it’s considered dishonorable.
Why are we still maintaining this misconception? It was clear from the start that Thrall didn't cheat. There are no rules against the use of magic in a Mak'gora, so Thrall using the elements is not against the rules.
Of course, Thrall didn't cheat, but people just couldn't handle that information.
Thrall Never Cheated! Same as Guldan...
Movie isn't canon so technically yes.
Now with that problem solved? My biggest problem is who is the new leader of ratchet? Is it still gazlowe are they going to put someone new there?
Cheated or not, it doesn't change the fact that's a cowardly move by Thrall using the elements when know Garrosh can't defend himself against that. If you're going to kill him handle it like an orc.
Garrosh wanted Thrall to use his elemental powers against him just like in their first duel. Thrall didn't want to use it because he was hoping he could spare Garrosh. But Garrosh was a lunatic that needed to be put down.
Also shamanism is heavily orcish. So that was very orcish.
@Skollshorties Garrosh needed to be put down, but if Thrall was going to use his powers in the first place, then why even bother doing the Mak'gora. The rules didn't say that Thrall couldn't use shamanistic powers, but let's be for real. Everyone knows that Mak'gora basically means: 1v1, no armor, and with no help of any kind, which means no spell weilding powers.
@@jmcghane That isn't really correct. Mak'gora the rules are set by the two fighters. Armor can be allowed. Magic can be allowed. And weapons can be allowed. It has to be otherwise stated what isn't allowed.
The whole point of this video was detailing what their rules were. Which adds up to their past Mak'gora in Wrath where armor and spells were permitted.
@Skollshorties When Sylvanas fought Saurfang, did Sylvanas cheated, or (if you saw the Warcraft movie), did Gul'dan cheated against Durotan? If your answer is no, then Thrall did nothing wrong.
@@jmcghane Saurfang and Sylvanas' duel didn't have any established rules and Thrall warned Saurfang he'd lose because of Sylvanas' untold power. So no cheating.
As for Gul'dan and Durotan's duel it's only in the movie's canon and not canon in WoW's remotely. So it's a void point here.
So yeah Thrall did no wrongs here.
While I am not stoked by a lot of what I have been hearing for the new Chronicle, I am glad Blizzard finally confirmed that Thrall never cheated
Thrall is still a coward. massive skill issue. he had to call back up from the elementals
Both sides had their own faults.
Thrall was too hasty in making Garrosh the War chief that even when Garrosh didn't think he was worthy Thrall basiclly went "Nah, you got this. I believe in you and you'll have my friends to back ya up." Then ran off. (I get the situation at the time needed him to be there. But come on Thrall really?)
Garrosh did the best he could with what little he had which sadly honestly could've been better in plenty of cases. Didn't help that all of Thrall's allies didn't really believe he'd be an effective War Chief either.
Both sides had screw ups.
The difference is one accepted the results that came from their choices and would correct them.
The other side showed no signs of changing their ways, and even in Shadowlands proved that even in death they didn't accept the consequences of their actions.
In fairness, the other leaders did try initially with Garrosh but he either tried to kill them or succeeded. Eitrigg remained till the very end and got gutted for it.
Thrall accepted his faults only after WoD. Even in War Crimes, he was "I wouldn't change a thing".
@@Skollshorties you mean Nazgrim. Eitrigg is still around, atleast in legion. Well... so is Nazgrim as a dk.
@@lordjaraxxus5418 Eitrigg got literally gutted in the chest by the Kor'kron. He survived though.
Hilarious that there got to be so much Anti-Thrall sentiment among the fandom that Blizzard had to conjure up receipts for a fight that took place ten years ago to keep Green Jesus from taking another L
I believe this. Thrall doesnt seem like the type to break rules and traditions and once i read the chronicles, ill be able to see it for myself.
I side with Thrall fully
Green man cheated
Cope
Cope Circus, Blue.
Cheating is cheating, just deal with that
Blizzard by themselves established lore of Mak'gora
When Guldan used his warlock power in movie, everybody was screaming about cheat when he used power 🤣 That is why this meme came
The Movie isn't canon.
@@Skollshorties It is. Made by Blizzard themselves
@@arturk9181 No just because they helped produced it doesn’t make the events of said movie canon especially when the story isn’t accurate to Warcraft’s own
Remember this is from the Titan's perspective, but given that Garrosh is Void aligned, clearly it's all Titan Propaganda and Thrall obviously cheated. (you won't get away from this)
Garrosh did nothing wrong
He was supposed to do nothing and he could even do that right
Maybe now confirmed he didn't cheat, personally I think it would have made for a better story dynamic if Thrall did cheat. To show that he is flawed but yea... Blizzard be riding on that Green Jesus D.
I don't think it'd be that interesting and there wasn't much evidence before that he cheated prior anyways.
There never was any cheating. It's like forcing a Mage to fight a Death Knight or a Warrior with only a sword. And despite that...the very fact that Thrall was able to use the elements AT ALL means that they were always on his side. Otherwise, they would not answer the summon.
The amount of times you needed to re-state that you were right.. xD Slightly cringe.
I was right.
Coping is pretty cringe.
@@Darkvega2k7 Assuming is pretty cringe too.. I’ve never been a part of this debate, I don’t post on any WoW forums. Literally not coping. I do enjoy Warcraft lore though, hence this video popping up in my recommended.
@@thelittlestgiant And yet here you are...
@@Darkvega2k7 What are you even implying? I literally explained the situation that you wrongly assumed and you’re still.. Trying to say what?
I also see you’ve commented on this content creator’s other content from two months ago, you said something just as vague and confusing, and when he personally replied to you (seemingly proving you wrong) you just decided to never respond. 😂 You’re a really weird and unlikable person. Have a nice life!
Same book that says we fought Aggramar at the seat of the pantheon. I personally wouldn't consider it a very reliable source.
Wish blizz had more attention to what they put out there.
While there are hiccups in Chronicles Volume 4 this is not one of them. There was plenty of evidence prior that showcased this was allowed in the first already. This just further confirmed it.
@@Skollshorties I would just stick to those prior evidences then. That book is an awfull and unreliable source, although being official blizzard content.
@@KatmeisterCNV The book has some good nuggets in it and bad nuggets in it. Nothing wrong with them stating what Garrosh and Thrall's rules were. None of that really contradicts the lore.
@@Skollshorties That's a fair point but my only issue is regarding the concept of unreliable sources per se.
Either a source is reliable or it isn't, it can't be both. In my opinion the chronicles as a whole anthology isn't, and giving credit to some things and not to others may be perceived as "cherry picking".
Also, Chronicles chapter4 might be the one with more blatant mistakes/conflicting information since it is relating to a period of warcraft's history that every player can still experience in-game, and it is unaceptable that someone allowed it to be released without any seemingly competent proof reading.
Btw no hate tho, much respect towards your opinion and work, I just think chronicles shouldnt be used as evidence to anything lorewise at this point.
Dunno of you saw but you got a mention in Taliessin and Evitels recent vid. Pretty cool
I did see!
Just like Gul'dan cheated against Durotan by using fel magic so too did Thrall cheat against Garrosh by using elemental magic.
Thrall has no honor.
This. Blizz can release new writing all they want but they can't change the past
Pro Thrall propaganda
Thrall cheated, END of the Story. Garrosh was a strong leader, Thrall was weak. I'LL side with Garrosh. Garrosh was right, Thrall is a coward and weakling. LOK'TAR!
Aaaaaah shut uuuup. Garrosh got his daddy boy ass handed to him. He betrayed the horde and it's better off without him.
End. Of.
if Garrosh was strong why'd he loose to a cheat ?
@@taurock96 It's like coming into a fight with a gun
@@MrOrcshaman He was more orc than Thrall ever will be, this human-born something beastly
@@draynos938 and where's that real orc now. Oh yeah, in a jar.
Thrall didn't cheat, he just got away on a technical oversight 🤣
I mean you can use magic in mak’gora. It is never daid that you cannot or at least I dont know about it being said anywhere
So Garrosh's stupid then?
Well... I'm not saying he's smart either.
@@Skollshorties "Ah yes, I can definitely defeat the one dubbed world shaman by force alone."
Though I've heard he was winning in the original WotlK duel. Is that true?
@@stepanpytlik4021 Garrosh was gaining the upper hand in the duel but when the Scourge attacked Orgrimmar Thrall ended it immediately. So I feel like that is almost foreshadowing that Thrall can beat Garrosh in an instant in both moments.
bullshit
Never read the comics or watched their ingame mak’gora from WotLK pre patch have you?
He spams chain lightning ingame.
The circus is right over there.
I thought they showed he cheated because the elements stopped working afterwards?
The elements stopped working because of Thrall's own depression over killing Garrosh. The elements themselves don't actually care if Thrall used them against Garrosh.
@@Skollshorties is that right? So then they are based on their own emotional state?
@@eternallegacy89 They very well can and usually are. As we saw Thrall torn apart by his own emotions and connections to the elements back in Cataclysm. And with Garrosh, he felt like he failed him and the world so he lost his connection for a bit.
@@Skollshorties so is that why he was losing connection to the elements in the recent trailer then?
@@eternallegacy89 I'm not sure too much on War Within's stuff since I'm not in the beta or alpha. Especially since this plot was originally wrapped up quickly in Shadowlands where he could use them again.
nah, idc what new blizzard says
Well, it's coming from me! And since you commented you care! Oh gee! Thrall didn't cheat! Hurrah!
Thank you making this video I've been telling people he never cheated and now that we know what the rules of fight Thrall never Cheated 🙂
You're welcome!
It was a good plot hook that gave Thrall more depth.. alas, Buzzard writers are too inept.
I feel sad now
I could've easily gone about playing WoW blissfully ignoring the objectively incorrect information in a book written by some randos who clearly have never played the game before and then they drop this
This isn’t clarification, this is retcon lol
Is it Thrall who made this video? 🤣
Perhaps.
Shit I been said he ain't cheat because it was about killing him anyways
Thrall didn't cheat!
Shaman OPpLz nerf
Still cheated
@@SloopFTW Nope!
He still sucks
He's still amazing, right? Thanks.
Yeah he cheated at Ghostbusters Monopoly