How To Set Out Levels/String Lines When Laying A Patio

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  • čas přidán 2. 08. 2019
  • This video shows you how to set out your string lines for levels when laying a patio, in this case a rivened Indian stone patio. This will ensure you get the correct falls and levels when laying the patio.
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Komentáře • 141

  • @mrjebbar
    @mrjebbar Před 3 lety +2

    Thanks for taking the time to explain. Very helpful for us DIYers. All the best guys

  • @dylansreptiletime
    @dylansreptiletime Před 3 lety +2

    Thank god for this video. Really helped me out getting the levels right. Most videos skim over this and assume you've already done the levelling etc. Awesome, thanks

  • @alunmauve
    @alunmauve Před 2 lety

    Thanks for making this video and the clear explanation. Confirmed how to use datums and the maths involved. Really useful.

  • @grahamrushin4384
    @grahamrushin4384 Před 3 lety +2

    This is the video I have been looking for, no bull, thanks 👍

  • @arniet1
    @arniet1 Před 3 lety +2

    Fantastic mate thank you. Nice to see some British skill happy to clearly explain and demo their craft. Top bloke

  • @gaelicd8328
    @gaelicd8328 Před 2 lety

    Magic you've made life so much easier

  • @jgilder436
    @jgilder436 Před 3 lety +1

    This is a brilliant video. Even as a DIY'er I fully understand it. No qualms from me. Love the no-nonsense Northern accent too. Thanks for posting. 👍

  • @reasonandlogic4652
    @reasonandlogic4652 Před 3 lety +1

    Excellent video. Very precise

  • @mansamusa4548
    @mansamusa4548 Před 4 lety +2

    Brilliantly explained top lad

  • @misssusansrockacademy7872

    This is amazingly helpful, thank you!!

  • @pshalan
    @pshalan Před 2 lety +1

    Thanks. Very useful and well explained

  • @ashleylane1602
    @ashleylane1602 Před 3 lety +1

    Great video, been looking for info on falls away from the house. Thanks 👍🏼

  • @andyhanrahan
    @andyhanrahan Před 3 lety +1

    Very well done there, thank you

  • @MarcusT86
    @MarcusT86 Před rokem

    Fantastic video. So helpful.

  • @elliottdebell7783
    @elliottdebell7783 Před 3 lety +1

    This has helped! Thank you 👍🏼

  • @MrCarrollsDigitalClassroom

    Best video yet! Lots of detail broken down into simple steps! Keep up the good work!

  • @jaspermillerlandscaping6174

    Nice video, very clear yo understand 👍

  • @calm7652
    @calm7652 Před rokem

    Great video I enjoyed the technical details.

  • @Turbozee
    @Turbozee Před rokem

    Top video Gareth it’s going to help my garden project out loads this

  • @silverbullet1759
    @silverbullet1759 Před 2 lety

    Fantastic video, cheers 👍

  • @Jimphoto
    @Jimphoto Před 11 měsíci

    Great vid, thanks for the detail

  • @mattw4405
    @mattw4405 Před 4 lety +7

    Brilliant! This is what I’ve been looking for,crystal clear! You should run the country fella😂

  • @Corruptedworld33
    @Corruptedworld33 Před 4 lety +3

    Really well explained

  • @dartz211
    @dartz211 Před 2 měsíci

    Great tips mate

  • @tetraluna9955
    @tetraluna9955 Před 2 lety

    Hi Gareth great video. I'm wanting to do sleeper edging for my patio, I'm creating the border first then filling my base with MOT. What's the best way to secure my sleepers down before doing the rest ? Do I just lay them on a bed of cement ?

  • @sinabagherisarvestani8924

    nice man , you can also take a plastic or metal carpenter square and use it to adjust the string line , not as accurate but saves a lot of time .

  • @stevendouglas3860
    @stevendouglas3860 Před 4 lety +1

    Intelligent chap

  • @kevingrainger2530
    @kevingrainger2530 Před 2 lety

    Thank you. An informative video without the bloody background music.

  • @michaelduggan2698
    @michaelduggan2698 Před 3 lety +1

    Good video. Did you use any laser levels or was this all done by levels & string line?

  • @rattlin9194
    @rattlin9194 Před měsícem

    Love this, although I may have missed, how did you know where 52.5mm depth was down at the other end?

  • @jamescrashley2263
    @jamescrashley2263 Před 4 lety

    Hi I'm not a builder or ground worker but I have just set up my own lawn care business. On the string lines what knots do you use please when marking out the lines? In addition I'd be lining out metre squares for sowing new lawns as some spaces are too small for spreaders etc. Thanks.

  • @ljones396
    @ljones396 Před 4 lety +3

    Hi Gareth, what do you use as datum pegs? Good clear explanation btw, thanks.

  • @00wei67
    @00wei67 Před 3 lety +2

    Come on Gareth, more videos pls

  • @CelticHealth
    @CelticHealth Před 4 lety +2

    Good video! We want to change the patio slabs in our garden as the ones from when we moved in are horrible.
    We also want to extend the patio from it's current size. In this situation what would you recommend is done regarding the sub base & mortar. Should we remove the whole lot and start again or try and add/level the sub-base and mortar where the additional tiles will be so it matches the rest? Thanks

    • @GKWilsonGardens
      @GKWilsonGardens  Před 4 lety

      Aled Gravelle i would lift all the paving slabs, examine old sub base to see if it MOT type 1 or a recycled equivalent and a minimum of a 100mm depth. If it’s not correct depth I’d reduce dig and re stone up and compact. Never run with an old sub base if it isn’t to spec which includes being 150nm below DPC

  • @solemartenterprises8984
    @solemartenterprises8984 Před 4 lety +2

    Sorting out the falls in my garden has literally stopped me progressing this work until I stumbled on this video. I can do with some help please...

  • @mansoorkhawaja6004
    @mansoorkhawaja6004 Před měsícem

    Why did you choose a 80 to 1 fall? Is there situations you would use a different ratio or is that what’s always used for the drop?

  • @trainway9740
    @trainway9740 Před 7 měsíci

    If the wall isn't square with the house then you won't get your accurate 3, 4, 5. But if it works for you then keep up the good work 👍🏻

  • @paulbarker844
    @paulbarker844 Před 4 lety +4

    Great video, quick question. I'm assuming you laid your datum pegs before adding sub-base. When compacting, do you just avoid running the whacker plate over the pegs to ensure that they aren't pushed down too far?

    • @GKWilsonGardens
      @GKWilsonGardens  Před 4 lety +2

      Paul Barker yes mate avoid until you get your compaction to correct depth. I’d then knock the pegs down once you are at desired level. Always worth noting .... Measure twice cut once rule .... Therefore double check levels

  • @leewright9848
    @leewright9848 Před 3 lety +3

    Silly question, if you have got a fall in your compacted hardcore level do you not have to dig deeper at the far end of the patio than just a standard 150mm deep across the whole first dig? I.e have a fall in your initial dig.

  • @hgw977
    @hgw977 Před 4 lety

    Hi, do you leave the datum pegs in the ground, or do you take them out before laying the mortar mix ontop?
    Also, i haven't put any hardcore/MOT down, my plan is to use a 2inch dry mix (3 or 4:1, sharp sand:cement) ontop of compacted soil (seems study enough, I cant dig my heel into it). I know its not a professional job and may not last 20 years. But do you think this will be ok for at least 5 - 10 years?

    • @GKWilsonGardens
      @GKWilsonGardens  Před 4 lety

      I’d always use a sub base and can’t recommend you do things like you are proposing to. I could possibly say how long it would last. My advice is go the extra mile and lay a sub base

  • @YungassPadawan
    @YungassPadawan Před 4 lety

    That’s great and all but how do you dig around the level lines with machines?

  • @ddavies6830
    @ddavies6830 Před 3 lety +1

    Hi. Great video. I'm laying riven indian sandstone patio and have read it needs to be 1 in 60 fall. On my 6m patio that's 10mm.im running towards house and using aco channel drains. I've set the fall lines and it seems very steep. Can I get away with 1 in 80 which will reduce the total fall by 25mm? Will it drain off water OK with the riven stone at 1 in 80.thanks

  • @jgilder436
    @jgilder436 Před 3 lety +2

    Hi again Gareth. Can I use timber batten as datum pegs? Or should I use something that won't rot?

  • @larry1363
    @larry1363 Před 3 lety +2

    Hi there Gareth. Love your work on Instagram mate. I'm setting out to lay a patio soon. However I'm kinda stuck on falls. Do you establish your fall after mot type 1 or during the digging phase? If its the latter, does it mean I just have to dig out more muck out at the bottom of the patio when setting out? Thanks

    • @GKWilsonGardens
      @GKWilsonGardens  Před 3 lety +2

      Thank you Larry ... Your MOT needs to run at the same falls as your paving so I’d dig out more if required

    • @larry1363
      @larry1363 Před 3 lety

      @@GKWilsonGardens Thank you mate!

  • @DTS7709
    @DTS7709 Před 4 lety +2

    Hello mate - great video but have a question.
    You are measuring the datum pegs in 1 meter intervals and making sure they are ‘level’ BUT that won’t take account of the 55mm fall away from the house will it? You’ll end up with a totally level sub base. How do you make sure you have the fall correct?

    • @GKWilsonGardens
      @GKWilsonGardens  Před 4 lety +4

      Dane Skinner Fully take on board what you are saying and possibly didn’t word that part correctly.
      We would use a level on the string line coming from the house where we have a second string line with a touching bubble fall. At the end of the patio we would set datums measuring 55mm off a level string line. We would then line the datums up and knock the datums down accordingly to the fall of the string line. I’ll do a further video doing this with the laser level and the string line way and explain more accurately. Thank you for flagging this

    • @DTS7709
      @DTS7709 Před 4 lety

      Gareth Wilson thanks a lot. I’ll look out for the vid. You’ve inspired me to crack on with my patio - slabs and type 1 on the way this weekend. Thank you 😊

  • @gerhardglanz917
    @gerhardglanz917 Před 6 měsíci

    So how did you measure the fall? What did you use for reference? I mean you are doing a video, and you didn’t show that bit.

  • @jennifereglinton5445
    @jennifereglinton5445 Před 3 lety +12

    Thank you for this video. If you've measured 3 feet along the top and 4 feet along the wall and made sure the hypotenuse is 5 feet (Pythagoras theory) - Is it just proving the wall is 90 degrees to the rear of the house? How does that prove the string from the house is 90 degrees?

    • @mojitosteele1213
      @mojitosteele1213 Před 3 lety +8

      I'm not sure why it was done this way either. Unless it was just a demonstration on how to create a square with no relevance to the stringline set up.
      I would have thought you'd measure 3 foot from the corner of the house inwards, measure 5 foot with a tape from that point and adjust the stringline until 4 foot of the stringline meets the tape.

    • @GKWilsonGardens
      @GKWilsonGardens  Před 3 lety

      I’ve explained on other threads mate

    • @silverbullet1759
      @silverbullet1759 Před 2 lety

      He established his 4 foot baseline against the wall which is square. You would just measure from the string line to the baseline at intervals and ensure the distance for each of the intervals is the same, which will mean the string line is perpendicular to the house.

    • @lostandfound7215
      @lostandfound7215 Před 2 lety

      From the corner of the house to the wall where he marked 4 feet , and from that mark he has on that wall , to that mark that is beside the corner house which is 5 feet , means that wall is square to the mark he has beside the corner house , now you just measure from that wall to string line , same measurement mean the string line is parallel to that point and obviously squared .

  • @mouk9175
    @mouk9175 Před 4 lety

    Good video. How do you work out the end of the patio is 52.5mm lower than at the house? How would you measure it if the ground is not level? Also how do you ensure the patio is straight if the house is off at an angle compared to the garden?

    • @PensiveCashew
      @PensiveCashew Před 4 lety +2

      I think you measure level across from your starting point (at the house), mark it at level, then measure down from that level to the required drop, mark up and move string down to the right point. Happy to be corrected though (I am researching this for my own patio project too).

    • @GKWilsonGardens
      @GKWilsonGardens  Před 4 lety +1

      Most accurate way is a laser or zip level. But a string line and a level will work too.
      So put the end of the level at finished floor level and centre the bubble to level, using a string line run the string line level just underneath touching the level so basically the string is level. Then knock a datum peg in where the patio ends, mark where the string line touches the datum (level) then work out your fall in mm and knock the peg down accordingly.

  • @christink123
    @christink123 Před 3 lety +1

    Can you slope the patio towards the house if there is a gutter drain at the very end on left hand side looking towards the house? Thanks

    • @plummetplum
      @plummetplum Před 3 lety

      I was about to ask that very question too, hope they answer.

    • @jackhopkins9618
      @jackhopkins9618 Před 3 lety

      you can slope the paving towards the house if you put in an aco drainage channel or decent gravel strip along the wall of the house to catch and drain the water away so as it doesn't sit against the house

  • @nkk8885
    @nkk8885 Před 3 lety +2

    Nice video, but overlooks why you needed to measure a triangle, and what is mot? It would have been nice if you showed which pegs you used and how you use them

  • @damako7072
    @damako7072 Před 3 lety +1

    All good but how do you know that brick wall by the fence is straight when doing the 3-4-5 rule?

    • @GKWilsonGardens
      @GKWilsonGardens  Před 3 lety

      Measure the string line to the wall in several places and it should be the same measurement from the wall to the stringline

  • @figofigo7908
    @figofigo7908 Před 7 měsíci

    How high the string line should be from the ground.

  • @larry1363
    @larry1363 Před 3 lety +1

    Hi Gareth. Great job you doing mate. I see your responding to a lot of questions on the Facebook page "Patios and drives". Can I ask were you got those metal pins that you are running your string lines on? I can't seem to find anything like that lol

    • @GKWilsonGardens
      @GKWilsonGardens  Před 3 lety

      Hi Larry
      Im not sure to be honest .... I bought them years ago and now I’m not landscaping anymore I can’t remember to be honest. I’ll try and see if I can remember the website for you.

    • @larry1363
      @larry1363 Před 3 lety

      @@GKWilsonGardens Okay thanks mate. Not to worry too much, I may end up using just wooden pegs. Cheers

    • @GKWilsonGardens
      @GKWilsonGardens  Před 3 lety

      Found em www.hall-fast.com/prosolvetm-road-pins?gclid=CjwKCAjwtpGGBhBJEiwAyRZX2h2SDLY8l3-hgDZ9lvCA-fS_a_PDtz8227_AocjTJudyA0dsswDvOBoCEzYQAvD_BwE

    • @johnshepherd7958
      @johnshepherd7958 Před 2 lety

      I am just at the point of setting my strings out on a new patio at home. Checked the pins teccomended and for diy low future usage, they are too expensive. I am going to use instead some old left over 12mm steel re-bar cut to 400mm lengths. Can put a point on one end with my angle grinder.

  • @brewertonpaul
    @brewertonpaul Před 4 lety +1

    Newbie Q here, is that a touching bubble fall on a 4ft level, 6ft, or does it not matter as long as you use the same level throughout?

    • @GKWilsonGardens
      @GKWilsonGardens  Před 4 lety +4

      Paul Brewerton touching bubble/line is the same on all levels however different makes of levels will have differant tolerances. So it’s important in my view to use level sets by the same brand and calibrate them before each job and at regular intervals. So a standard set of levels have a 600mm, 1200mm and 1800mm, put them on top of each other vertically and move the levels up and down slowly and look to see that all the bubbles move equally then lay on an even surface and check to see that all the bubbles are in the same position, any bubbles out of sync on a particular level indicates that, that particular level or levels are not correct. In some cases you may need to check against another set of levels. I also turn them upside down and re check again, the tops of levels sometimes get misused by being tapped with mauls to level pavers which isn’t good for the level and bad practise. Also check straightness of levels agains a flat surface.
      It’s important to use all the levels in your set too which I’ll go into in a later video. With riven paving I’ll sometimes take 3 readings if I’m in any doubt if falls are correct with 600mm sq and above size pavers (left side, middle and right side) also cross fall (side to side) too.
      I always start off using 600mm level and build up to a 1800mm the more rows I lay . I’ll also use the 600mm level on individual pavers from time to time to make sure we are spot on.
      A lot of porcelain can have bows on the surface and dips in the corners so this present other skills to master.

    • @Dave-lr2wo
      @Dave-lr2wo Před 4 lety +2

      @@GKWilsonGardens Hey, kids: THIS is how to answer a question.

  • @Zaine22
    @Zaine22 Před 3 lety +1

    Might be a silly question but is it possible to have a fall in in both direction eg front fall to back and left falling to right. TIA

    • @GKWilsonGardens
      @GKWilsonGardens  Před 3 lety +1

      Yes it pal... Cross fall it’s called

    • @Zaine22
      @Zaine22 Před 3 lety +1

      @@GKWilsonGardens is it alot my difficult to do it that way though especially if its my first time

    • @GKWilsonGardens
      @GKWilsonGardens  Před 3 lety

      I think I’d stick to a one way fall. It’s only really on commercial projects you will need a 2 way fall

  • @tomnapper101
    @tomnapper101 Před 10 měsíci

    Say yoy should be 100m below the damp course alway against the house wall put in French drains or aquad drains this will stop any dampness 👍

  • @RobinBull1968
    @RobinBull1968 Před 10 měsíci

    Wha's to say your garden wall is square to your house string line? You should have used the 3-4-5 method to string your perpendicular line (in shot running away from the house), ideally using as many multiples of 3, 4 & 5 as you have room for, for accuracy.

  • @Tom-zl8vy
    @Tom-zl8vy Před 3 lety

    How did he know to run at 1:80 fall? If anyone can answer that would be great

  • @TheJ4RyD
    @TheJ4RyD Před 2 lety

    What does he mean by "rivens".

  • @allmanjason29
    @allmanjason29 Před 3 lety

    What is mot?

  • @cbebbington2
    @cbebbington2 Před rokem

    Why did you do your triangle so small, if you're out 2mm on a meter that will be 2mm on every meter, that'll add up over the full length

  • @vrglcom
    @vrglcom Před 4 lety +5

    Screw this, my head hurts lol

  • @phantomstratocaster
    @phantomstratocaster Před 3 lety

    who else was thinking of dropping a quarter in there

  • @mikejames663
    @mikejames663 Před 4 lety +6

    What did you actually square, the garden wall? certainly not the line, how do you know that's straight all the way, should have used a builders square off the house line ( or Pythagoras 3:4:5). I don't see how you got a square of the procedure you've shown.

    • @GKWilsonGardens
      @GKWilsonGardens  Před 4 lety +4

      Mike James I said in the video I’d squared that string line you mention up to the house pal. I then secondly squared the wall up to the house to show as an example. Thanks

    • @GKWilsonGardens
      @GKWilsonGardens  Před 3 lety

      goodcat1982 A builders square is actually a guide and nowhere near as accurate as 3/4/5 as you can’t go wrong with it. We learned the inaccuracies of builders triangles at RHS Hampton court once and it took some sorting out and lots of down time.
      Regarding the wall I double checked this as I would do a fence due to the fact that builders virtually never square fences or walls to the house and more often than not run out leaving a wedge shaped gap. If this was the case I’d over size the paving slabs and cut to profile of the wall so we don’t have tiny cuts or a v shaped gravel strip etc. Hope that makes sense as it’s hard to explain by text

    • @artguti1551
      @artguti1551 Před 3 lety +2

      I use the 3, 4, 5 squaring method...but I muliply it by 3...so I have a 9'x 12'x 15 or 12'x16x20' is way more accurate...

  • @jasonkennedy4211
    @jasonkennedy4211 Před 3 lety +1

    whats MOT

    • @GKWilsonGardens
      @GKWilsonGardens  Před 3 lety

      MOT is 40mm limestone to dust but is basically the foundation your patio sits on

  • @matthewcharlton8129
    @matthewcharlton8129 Před 3 lety +1

    Just to be a prick am gonna say it. Surely at the pont 4.25 or so into the video when u measure down to the datum peg and your man says 55, and you tap it down, wouldn't that make the 55 number even higher. Maybe he meant to say 45, maybe when you remeasured it was more and you just carried it on for the purposes of the video and when and sorted it later, maybe I've misinterpreted the situation completely. I would say I don't care, but I've cared enough to write this long winded comment on a year old video, so maybe I do care a little. Good wee tutorial overall btw

  • @ddavies6830
    @ddavies6830 Před 3 lety

    Typo. Meant 100mm

  • @loveanyways
    @loveanyways Před 4 lety +2

    Trying to lay some slabs for my back graden ..argh! even more confused now 😐 after watching your video, you seem to know what you're talking about but it's all gibberish to me.. #help

    • @GKWilsonGardens
      @GKWilsonGardens  Před 4 lety

      CurlsOfaJamaicanJourno perhaps a video call would help message me if so

  • @MrMingham
    @MrMingham Před 4 lety +3

    You said 50mm he gave it a tap and measured 55mm then said I'll give it another tap which would take it to nearly 60mm dear

    • @shutinyanks
      @shutinyanks Před 4 lety +3

      its 50mm below the level its going down not up ;)

    • @VICTORRABBIT123
      @VICTORRABBIT123 Před 4 lety

      I am also confused by this, if the distance between the level and the peg is 55mm then surely by hitting the beg again will only increase this distance. Could you clarify this please? Thanks

    • @shutinyanks
      @shutinyanks Před 4 lety

      @@VICTORRABBIT123 The level is the line - The spike in the ground is going down below the level so say they start at 100mm on the tape measure. They then knock the spike into the ground until it measure 50mm below the line.

    • @VICTORRABBIT123
      @VICTORRABBIT123 Před 4 lety +1

      Y-it-Earp 100mm being what measurement? The distance between the level and the peg? That’s what it looks like they’re measuring right?

    • @TheTraditionalGolfer
      @TheTraditionalGolfer Před 4 lety +1

      @@VICTORRABBIT123 correct there measuring between the peg and the level...so your right by hitting the peg it increases the gap he needed 50mm he hit it which gave him 55mm then hit it again which would of put it even further out so your correct he actually needed to raise the peg not knock down further 👍I'm a bricklayer of many yrs so deal with levels everyday of my life.

  • @buttworthtv6577
    @buttworthtv6577 Před 4 lety +1

    Paving should always fall 2 ways! Hahaha

    • @GKWilsonGardens
      @GKWilsonGardens  Před 4 lety

      Buttworth TV check on Paving Expert pal and come back to me...... Touching bubblle fall one way and between 1-60 and 1-80’the other depending on the type of paving laid 👌👍..... Let me know if you struggle to find the link

  • @abscomm
    @abscomm Před 3 lety +4

    Reading the comments, I would have to agree that showing the 3:4:5 method and not showing it on the string lines could be very confusing for beginners who, I am assuming, you are trying to help. Also, you seem to be rather aggressive towards any form of criticism, that is not a very good trait for an educator especially when the critics are correct. But then again to each his own and I wish you well.

    • @GKWilsonGardens
      @GKWilsonGardens  Před 3 lety +2

      Thank you John and I take on board what you say. Most people have found the video helpful and have been positive however my personal feeling are some comments are quite rude, condescending and not polite in thier approach. Perhaps a lesson for the future is is not to enagage with such people. Thank you I’ve found your message to be a good leveller and constructive.

  • @gstringalation
    @gstringalation Před 5 měsíci

    I’m not understanding what the 3-4-5 method gave you, or I guess what the end result of it is telling you…cheers

    • @MMAandOats
      @MMAandOats Před 29 dny

      Its based on Pythagoras theorem. Basically how to calculate whether you have a right angle or not

  • @00wei67
    @00wei67 Před 2 lety

    Brickies don't always get it right🤣😂

  • @thanxx
    @thanxx Před 3 lety

    paving should always fall two ways...absolute bollocks

    • @GKWilsonGardens
      @GKWilsonGardens  Před 3 lety

      thanxx ok old chap ..... Go on Tony McCormacks website ..... Paving Expert ..... Then when you’ve read up and expanded your limited knowledge come back to me please and tell me I’m wrong.
      Flat paving 1-60 fall and a touching bubble fall the opposite way.
      Riven paving a minimum of 1-80 fall and touching bubble the opposite way.
      Thanks and I await your education when you’ve read up on Tony’s website 👌

    • @thanxx
      @thanxx Před 3 lety

      so you learned all you know from Tony lol have you not got any actual qualifications?? how can you have a cross fall on a domestic when you have a fall of 1-60 using a rectangular paving unit?? it just doesn't make sense?? why would you even need a cross fall??

    • @thanxx
      @thanxx Před 3 lety

      @@GKWilsonGardens you my friend....are talking utter bullshit

    • @thanxx
      @thanxx Před 3 lety

      laughable. touching bubble fall the other way that equates to a 1-60 fall right? so what happens on a 7 mtr run when you have started paving 150mm below DPC and you end up with a total drop of 116mm on the end of the paving??do you dig this out lol

    • @GKWilsonGardens
      @GKWilsonGardens  Před 3 lety +5

      So you’ve not bothered to read up then because you’ll find I’m right. If you can’t fall a patio yourself 2 ways then you’re not very good are you?
      No I learned from college and 32 years experience, 7 RHS gold medals in 7 years including a Gold medal at RHS Chelsea, 7 Best In Show awards, 3 People’s Choice Awards, 1 Director Generals Best Trade Stsnd Award at RHS Chelsea and a Best Construction award. Member of the APL, product advisor to Bradstone and Paving Stones Direct, member of the PGCA and institute of horticulture..... Have a lovely evening and please feel free to brush up on your knowledge at your leisure. Lessons in paving I’ll charge you at a discounted rate of £500 plus vat a day .... I’ll soon have you up to speed old chap.