Growing Around, The Project That Will Never End ft.
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- čas přidán 26. 06. 2024
- Mr.Enter's Growing Around has been in the works since 2014. Is this his rise out of being a reviewer, or just a failure on his part?
Ft. @Cybershell13
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
00:57 Who is Mr/ Enter?
02:49 Growing Around Origins
07:37 Indiegogo
14:30 Mr. Enter 2020
20:51 What Now?
27:44 Final Thoughts
Twitter: / dovendraw
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I’m convinced that Mr Enter has set his own standards so high that he’s not sure what makes animation itself good anymore.
It's times like this that I realise how much I take my own childhood for granted. How well my mother raised me to be a normal human being, who only expresses the *good* autistic traits.
It’s true that he has ridiculously high standards for what he reviews and it at least partially explains why there is no pleasing him at ALL.
@@Mario87456 it's funny he has such high standards but the script for growing around is bad. Reading them I had a super icky feeling plus it was straight up just boring.
I think you’ve done a great job at deconstructing the situation, I’m with you, I’m sure that’s exactly what happened
Yeah, but i think that Mr. Enter is a perfectionist like John Kricfalusi (The creator of Ren and Stimpy)
"I dont owe you an explanation"
Lol, then I dont owe you money for a show that doesnt properly explain its core concepts.
i mean yeah how stupid is mr enter like if you want people to give them money at least treat them with some respect
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Yeah, I sorta had the same thought when he said that
I was kinda part of his team once. Only for a few days cause I left as soon as I started getting red flags with payments. Apparently a lot of people had come and left. The only people who stayed were kids...who admitted to me they weren't getting paid.
I actually did ask him some questions about the show. Like what happened when they grew up, that jazz....and I don't even think he knew.
But we can rest assured that the logic of the concept will be self-evident once the -pilot- first episode is finally finished!
This is almost a retelling of Battle Ball. A story I've heard way too often with creators, they want to do everything their way, ignoring professional standards and experience as they refuse to learn them, and absolutely refuse any compromise, which is essential if you want to get anywhere with a project.
The problem is becoming too attached to a project, you must be prepared to let others be involved creatively and ultimately be strong enough to let go sometime.
Hell, I created an animated pilot for a Disney competition that I was more than happy to throw away. They gave me $1000 budget and ultimately didn't really go anywhere (well, it got to the second final round) but I put it down to experience, and maybe for the ol' resume if I go that route again.
Hello you
Always a good idea to learn from the professionals, sometimes you gotta cut corners and listen to your peers to get somewhere creatively
Ah Larry, good to see you in the random comment sections, again.
You're right, making a story, especially if it involves feedback from other people, is about trying to listen to criticism and ideas and making compromises. It helps to make little tiny projects where there's no risk involved to kind of understand this better.
@Jacob Brown Difference being Vivziepop actually knew what to do and how they could maximise their assets. They worked within their boundaries. Enter never did for reasons which still make little sense.
Hmm... I might have/know the opposite issue, if you can call it that. Where my fans/patreons are more attached to the project than I am (weird I know). But I don't want to terminate the project as that would be a let down to the patreons. For now, I'll continue... any tips?
Man, I really wish I could see that animated pilot!!
I just rewatched the pilot movie for "DC Super Hero Girls", and remembered how it was the first thing on Enter's Worst Cartoons of the 2010's list.
Specifically how the villain was a little girl, and her plan was to get rid of teenagers so kids would rule the city. Supergirl said that plan was the stupidest thing ever.
I can't help but feel there was a bit of personal revenge in Enter putting that show on his list.
well, the concept and premise was sorta already done and even aired on television, its called Kids Next Door......mr Enter just came up with a reverse kids next door concept but with implications that will look really bad and questionable if looked into the details and world building of it
Kids Next Door meets Butch Hartman levels of writing
there is an episode of KND where - I think on top of my head- there's a inverse world like that except darker.
@@TheEpicGBX Is it that one trippy episode where Numbuh 1 is presenting a class report?
love your stuff man
@@konata4567 Nah Butch Hartman is competent. I wish some of his rejected pilots were made. czcams.com/video/haXkTkuZhf8/video.html
His project really would be a lot less creepy if he stood by the "a world ran by kids" concept and removed the adults. The concept of you loosing your rights once you get kids is.... a dystopia.
Plus: what's with the adults who don't have kids? Are they forced to be adopted by children?
The adults either end up in orphanages where they will be adopted by children or they end up in some sort of home with a bunch of other adults to possibly marry/have children with them. It's super creepy lmao.
Either you have to lean on that and make it an absurdist comedy or just throw the script away.
The nature of the universe is that every so often someone accidentally makes Homestuck again
He could have just simplified the concept where adults are retiring early enough to enjoy it and are allowing kids to take charge for fun or something.
@@Nightman221k maybe but the concept is way too much switching position. Why would retirees go to school for example especially when they get taught by people who are way to young to have visited school themselves. Adults create way to many plotholes or creepy scenarios
Bro imagine hearing “kids are adults and adults are kids” and thinking it’s the greatest idea you’ve ever heard.
If I had a gun I'd shoot myself
Even when I followed him I thought it was stupid
It wasn’t even an original idea. He reviewed a show like it years ago and just took that concept.
I think the main problem is he refused to play up the dystopian aspects in an inherently dystopian concept
@@strangetomato3021 I have a feeling elders are taken to a facility where they're culled once their children parents become adults and have to become "kidified". I haven't seen one elderly person in this whole project.
Some ideas slowly digest and become more defined, but others just sorta spin their wheels and grow into these tangled webs of scenes, characters and plots you become overly attached to. I think there is a weight that needs to be lifted from him. Even if he just consciously shelves the idea to put something else into the world I think it would do wonderful things for him, success or failure.
The thing about having your every action documented, scrutinized and mistakes cryogenically frozen (and I think he's said this himself); he doesn't know who to trust anymore. He has gotten a lot of trollish and pointless advice, and his anti fandom was notoriously toxic. But I think you guys were thoughtful with this and acknowledged the reality of trying to make art for others. And I think if he took the advice he would experience relief and would be able to let his imagination go wherever it wants.
That is a good wisdom
holy shit i watched your riverdale AND gotham videos ?? hello!! i hope youre doing good!! very smart way to sum this up
Enter's detractors are relentless, I remember when people would comment on Pan Pizza's videos complaining about him and it would get so many likes. Like, this is a RebelTaxi video, what does Mr Enter had to do with anything?
wat up
That's way I really don't like Turkey Tom. He's the one who started the whole "Mr enter is a pedophile" bullshit.
You just don't go around falsely accusing someone of being that without some solid proof. And I don't think he ever apologized or took that video down. He sent so much hate to Enter; it's ridiculous.
I think Craig of the Creek and Harvey Street Kids did the whole "child society" thing better, seeing as how in the former, the creek is basically it's own society for all the kids that go there and in the ladder, there's an entire kid society surrounding it as well, but in the same vein of Ed Edd n Eddy where we don't see the parents.
Right. A _society;_ rather than a whole world. The simple fact of the matter is, leaving the adults out helps resolve a lot of the premise problems. One of the alternate takes I proposed is formulated as such; it's a colony outside normal ideals and adults & children are allowed a Rumspringa to decide if they want to stay or not.
A big thing which Mr. Enter appears to have missed is if there even is the option.
The Peanuts comic strip also had that premise too.
If Mr. Enter thinks he can make it in the animation industry, he should start by not making enemies with everybody in the industry.
Y'know, once upon a time I read a comment where someone tried to shut up one of his critics by saying 'he published a book and he's making a TV show and he's not even out of his 20's...what had you done by then?' I mean yeah, but look at how he's doing it. In a way that repeatedly slams doors in his face. Is Enter really undertaking these big projects while he's still young because he's some kind of a savant, or because he hasn't bothered to learn what he's doing?
Enter would not be able to get into the industry these days even if he tried because of his horrible reputation online which he has no one but himself to blame for.
He should also learn things about animations before trying to make it in the animation business
Ironically, the moment he started doing his reviews, Enter burried any chance of him having a career in the industry
Congratulations , you get the golden plunger award for bringing up old shit
“Pilots are a really really bad way to showcase a TV show”
How do you miss the point THAT fucking bad?
And he's written 70 scripts but how many of those are actually passable quality? I envision that if I gave patronage and rifled though all the scripts, maybe three would survive an honest run though and most of them wouldn't even be able to fit his time constraint.
Does he have a series bible, where he outlines the absolute principles of characters and the world as a grounding document? "This is how the universe works, and this is why" or is that simply too tall an order to ask?
I literally said to myself.... Then you're pilot shows just how shitty you're show is.
@@XanthinZarda I've read a few. They where kinda boring and felt like they dragged on a bit too long. The first episode drags on way too long.
He went completely insane in 2020 I am afraid.
@Mister Metokur Yes it was definitely in part because of that and he lost what little sanity he may have had left.
I nearly choked when Mr Enter said he wasn’t interested in marketing. I- I- How does he expect anyone to know about it then?
Guess he really is only making the show for himself. Which is probably ok for a fanfic, but insane for an animated series.
@@starofjustice1 why the hell would you make it an animated series then for people to watch?
@@umairashraf5167 Let's leave that question for when and if he actually completes anything. He hasn't "made it" anything for anyone, yet.
I might add, your question assumes a certain level of basic logic. Something I've worried about Mr. Enter having or not since before the pandemic started.
Most artists dislike marketing but they do it anyway for obvious reasons
I got whiplash learning that he's still working on this thing. I thought he had given up on it a while ago.
Hey, I *definitely* don't know you!
*Praise our robot overlords*
Hello Mr Decapitated Robot Arms
Credit : That one minecraft kid
SAME. I unsubbed from him after his absolutely horrendous covid takes (takes that killed my Uncle Tommy) so I hadn't had any word from this in a long while.
Honestly, he should have gave up on this project a long time ago.
I like how someone who was so nasty towards writers and animators ended up hitting every conceivable roadblock and pitfall that could happen when writing and animating a cartoon
I know!!! It's like someone animaniacs would make fun of
Lmao! Right?
@@BBWahoo that's what we call Irony
He has changed over the years
What goes around comes around, I guess
“They hit the fucking pentagon!”
Enter is wrong, he DOES owe people an explanation on how his world works since a lot of people are confused, it IS his responsibility to explain. I find it beyond sad that even in 2020 he can't take criticism.
And yet, he hypocritically criticizes things like he always does. I guess mirrors don't exist for him.
Time to take a piss
Leave it up to TheMysteriousMrEnter to create a cartoon world and NOT actually bother to explain on how it works. He didn't even bother to make a series bible for Growing Around, even though it could be very use for other crew members who are trying to work on his "show."
@@andykishore Yet, he criticizes other shows for not using their potential/exploring their world.
@Thot Patrol USA Well my point still stand either way nor is it supposed to be a role play account.
>Doesn't want to explain the concept
>Show is actually a rip off of a failed pilot
>Doesn't like the idea of a pilot while also not understanding their importance
>Doesn't like talking about the project or be social
>Working on the project for 10 years
>Refuses interviews
>Doesn't believe in/understand the importance of marketing
Can you even call yourself "creative" if you aren't even willing to exercise it? If you aren't willing to listen to reception and improve the idea instead of just holding onto it, how can you expect success? If two figures of the project leave because of YOU, how can you expect others to care about YOUR dream?
Enter needs to put his show on the back burner until he can learn to be social. It's one thing not to care about what others think and be headstrong in your beliefs, but he doesn't understand that that's what's holding his project back. The only piece of advice he seems to have clung to is Tomska's most likely because it was positive and Tomska reached out first. Learning about a certain process or business is scary and hard, but it must be done.
If Enter ever makes a successful pilot and get the funding he needs, the project will most likely fail due to his incompetence and stubbornness.
@Generic Username "Art."
@Generic Username I never said it wasn't. If anything, I'm talking about how how Enter's hubris holds back his dream. Profit doesn't automatically mean success. You're right. I said if the PILOT is successful, the whole thing will eventually fell apart before it makes any significant impact. When I said "art" I'm basically saying that there is nothing actually artistic here if he has nothing to show.
Enter pissed me off with his pilot spiel.
Pilots show that you have a solid foundation of what you want your show to be. If you can’t even get an animatic off the ground, then no studio will touch your concept with a ten-foot pole.
Edit: My point still stands.
Me when I heard Enter's pilot spiel: That's the fucking point
Yeah and besides, Pilots are cool to look back on and compare to the final show
They do almost always feel forced. I hate trying to write the early part of anything because I can feel that awkward forced quality poking at me saying "Don't you think this sounds stupid? Nobody talks this way." I did see the pilot for the series Snowfall a couple days ago, and that had more the quality of an episode three or four, almost. But that also meant they glossed over some important elements, at least some of which will _hopefully_ and presumably be resolved in later episodes.
Don't forget, pilots are still episodes, if a pilot fails to gain interest the creator is fucked. The network just has to air it at a bad time and boom, the creator can't even begin.
A mistake that many (including Enter) tend to make is that pilots don't have to be treated as "first" episodes. When you're just showing to potential backers and not a general audience, you have to demonstrate what a "typical" episode would look like. Keep any world/character introductions to a quick recap in the first minute or two, then launch right into the status quo. Pilots like these either go unaired in the show proper or get retrofit somewhere in the middle, as they were never meant to be considered Chapter 1 of the story. It's just a performance test.
I feel why Enter's series doesn't work as an idea and isn't "profitable" is due to where the idea is coming from. Enter stole the concept from a failed pilot, and not because he liked the pilot but because he liked the IDEA. And why did he like the idea? Probably because he had a shitty childhood and the idea of children having all the power is appealing to him. Keep in mind that he hasn't been a child in decades and isn't even a parent, so writing a show about kids being in power just wouldn't work for him. Look at Bluey: Show about kids having imaginative fun with their parents and it's created by ACTUAL parents!
Of course he is a manchild so to him the idea sounds amazing that just shows how pathetic he is.
I feel like you're making a loooooot of assumptions here. Dial back on the ungrounded analysis, we don't have the man's personal facts to that level.
Shit - does that mean I’m not qualified to write kid characters because I’m not a parent? :/
@@TheDJman248 you think the show idea was just basically impossible to make work
@@TheDJman248 his personal life is pretty public,he has talked about his childhood.....alot
I once heard some good advice from someone who drew comics. Some ideas just don't work out and you have to learn to let them go and move on. Continuing to try and force something to "work" isn't a good thing.
@Otneimica So true
Some ideas are best left rejected.
This is true, and it’s even MORE important to learn WHY the ideas that dont work, well, dont. What characteristics make an idea good and what characteristics make an idea bad
Professional screenwriter here: I admire MrEnter's determination, but I think one aspect typifies why this was doomed to fail (and for the sake of uniqueness, I'm not referring to the strange logic of the show's world): his scripts. Specifically, the amount, and his method. All those, written just by him. An A for effort, but there cannot be any sort of quality control and, more importantly, notes. No feedback, other than his own tastes, and no collaborators to offer advice or criticism. In developing television, like a G.A., writers rooms and editorial roles (script/story editors, assistants, storyliners etc.) are vital to ensure writers can make the best episodes they can. Having someone who understands narrative to bounce your ideas off of is so useful and gets rid of those giant bugs that would confuse an audience. Even guys who entirely write their own shows, like Steven Knight (Peaky Blinders) or Michael Hirst (Vikings) still have people to help them out; otherwise, they'd risk their material not making sense to anyone but them.
It also helps they write all those scripts after they got the green light for the pilot - no working writer I know will write more than the pilot, and maybe some broad outlines for later eps, before they have money. It's a waste of effort and detracts from really fine-tuning your first episode, which your show lives or dies on.
Yeah, that's one of the big differences between independent and production creations
When you start making videos, you probably have to work off of your own resources and ideas and schedule etc.
But when you have the whole production around, it suddenly becomes a team effort
There are alot of pros and cons of each but the most relevant here:
You don't have to have anyone look at your work if you work independently online
Of course, alot of people do take the time to polish their stuff and get critique and improve
But I guess the nature of CZcams in a way pushes the amount of content and not the quality of it per say
Like, I make videos about whatever random thing I'm thinking about but personally, alot of things are making me want to SEEK out critiques on my stuff
But in terms of a production, you at LEAST have someone, even if a single person tell you
"Man that idea isn't gonna work, man"
Or at least I'd hope
Calvin and Hobbes was good and that's just Bill Watterson. Then again Bill Watterson is a genius.
@@icecreamhero2375 Yeah, but Calvin and Hobbes isn't a half-hour TV series with many moving components, like a large regular cast or a world with this complex of a premise. Plus, Watterson didn't write 70 strips in advance before they actually gave him any kind of signal or money.
Not gonna lie, this is really good advice.
I'm probably never gonna actually MAKE a cartoon, but still good advice regardless.
I'm still debating on ways to tell my own stories. But I did decide even if I wanted to make a trilogy of novels or something like that, I'd wanna make the first novel be able to work as a standalone, if mainly so it'd still at least be able to stand as a completed story in case things didn't work out the way I wanted it to.
It's funny, I used to watch him and when I revisited and saw some of his new episodes, he would criticize shows and use growing around as an example of "what to do". Hopefully this experience will teach him how easy it is to become too attached to an idea and fall into a pitfall.
Nah.
Falling into a pitfall is one thing. This is more like falling into Super Pitfall on the NES. It's a bad time for anyone.
He used a show that no-one's interested in seeing or fundraising for as an example of the right way to do things. Are you sure that's what he said.
In what episodes DID he use Growing Around as an example?
The idea isn't even bad it's just that he should've managed the project better.
Even when I was a fan of Enter's work, I never really understood what it was about the Flip-Flopped that caught his attention and made him feel like it was wasted potential. Like, maybe I could see it being interesting as like a short horror or sci-fi story, but not an entire series. I felt like Too Many Robots (another pilot from Shorty McShort's Shorts he thought was a good idea gone to waste) could've worked better as a show instead.
He's an autistic manchild almost on par with Chris-Chan.
Back when I used to watch him I had no idea what GA was even about. I knew he had "a cartoon" he was working on pitching, but was never curious enough to look at it, I probably would've dropped his channel sooner if I was caught up with not only the show's concept but everything going behind the scenes.
@Otneimica Otneimica, please, you're opinion is so vague it barely reads as an opinion.
I thought the EXACT same thing when i watched the original video when it came out. I truly do not see the appeal of that premise when there were much more interesting pilots in that collection.
@@desuretard8654 I'm aware that TheMysteriousMrEnter has autism, but that DOESN'T make him any less of a person.
Mr.Enter: A pilot is an obsolete way to showcasing what a show could be, we have to take new steps
Translation: I failed making a pilot, and I don't want people using that as a fact of why I can't make a cartoon
True but it’s also proof he has gone completely insane since no sane person would say such a stupid thing like that unless they were literally fucking high.
I managed to knock out about 5 premises or so in under an hour, which is more than I can say Mr. Enter has managed in the 5 years he's been trying to even get this thing to work.
I even gave them titles and can summarize them into status quos.
1: It's Always Been Like this: This is his premise. Played straight. Enjoy the sights of the half a meter tall surgical table. Laugh. Don't ask questions.
2: The Grand Experiment: It's a sealed Arcology, like Alpha Complex from Paranoia. The starring family are subjects of focus in an experiment.
3: Something went wrong: This one is a looser concept. Something biological happened and now some of the adults are trying to fix this, but the Secret Police are trying to stop this.
4: The Wastes. Like 1, but with the actual consequences of entrusting actual children with nuclear codes. Adult run colonies are peppered though the landscape, trying to rebuild over the world _The Flies_ have ruined.
5: The Colony. It's like 2, but there's no moustache twirling overseers. Adults and kids are allowed to experience life outside and have final say in staying. (Like the Amish Rumspringa.)
Literally every cartoonist when he said that: That's a weird way to say you wrote a shitty pilot
@@TheWonderfulLadthony no no, every one who doesn't have to be involved in the animation process but is interested in animation nonetheless would also say the same.
The concept for Growing Around seems like something that would only work in a cartoon for young children (like kindergarten or early elementary age) yet he wants it to be targeted at older kids and families like shows such as Gravity Falls and Steven Universe. But unlike those shows i don't have any idea what kind of adult or older kid would want to watch this show when the concept is so inherently unappealing. And even if you ignore that, the premise is confusing to a majority of casual watchers as well. The fact he's had to over explain the premise multiple times to adults is bad enough, there's no way most of the kids watching wouldn't be even more confused. This sounds like the exact type of cartoon i would have hated as a kid. I don't know why he's so focused on this ONE particular premise when he could surely think of a new idea for a cartoon that has much more potential.
Is it not a stretch to assume he could think of a new idea _by now?_
Plus, he wants the show to explore complex issues such as death, racism, gender identity etc. and the show is supposed to have continuity. It wouldn’t be episodic.
@@tyeishaleisure That's another thing about this show that confuses me. The concept of the show is so ridiculous that i can't imagine it properly tackling any of those subjects at all and i seriously can't understand why he would even think that those topics would fit into this series. Even if we pretend that the concept of the show isn't offputting and weird and that it somehow gets popular, who wants to tune into a goofy wacky comedy show about kids raising adults and have them suddenly start talking about death and racism? This premise is not conducive to telling these types of stories. It changes the basic character interactions way too much for it to portray any real life scenario in a serious way. One of the episodes is supposed to be about one girl's mom dying, but how am i supposed to take that seriously at all while i'm busy imagining how a bunch of 4 year old doctors are probably trying to cure her with candy instead of medicine or something?
@@spacecadetkaito lmao that example you gave makes me think the show would work better as a dark comedy than one we’re supposed to take seriously.
@@spacecadetkaito yeah, plus it leads to some really bad implications. Plus, realistically, kids don’t understand these issues he wants to cover. How does he expect a child to deal with death or racism when they don’t understand these concepts? The way a child understands somethingis completely different from how an adult understands something. It’s basic Child Psychology.
“pilots are an inaccurate representation of a tv show” NAWWW HOW DO YOU WANT TO MAKE AN ANIMATED SERIES AND SAY THIS
I mean, like, how do you get anyone else invested in your idea if you don't have any kind of proof of concept? Any a-hole can have an idea they think's gonna be the next great american novel or whatever. If you have a pilot, you've shown not only your interest and dedication to creating this thing, you've shown an ability to get other people to invest their work into it too to see it to the end.
If anything, sounds like he just wants to be different just because. Ooo, this tv show doesn't have a pilot! This show must be REALLY risky!!
Honestly I feel like with the drive and general tenacity Mr.Enter has, he probably would have had some success by now if he dropped Growing Around for something else. I mean, am I the only one that isn't just disinterested in the concept, but actually off put by it? I wonder if he knows this but is just too personally attached and shackled by the sunk cost fallacy to shift to another project. He has a ton of experience in trying to make an IP now even if he's not internalizing some of the lessons the project could be teaching him very well.
In writing the hardest advice to go through with is to kill your darlings, but I really feel like he'd free up so much potential if he shelfed it or even just took it 'round back with the family boomstick.
I was actually surprised when I stumbled upon the IndieGoGo one day. I figured that he must've quietly dropped the project by then.
Before he deleted his dA, Enter had some pretty decent concepts he could've done more with. For whatever reason, GA was the project which kept his interest.
I have legitimately never felt so conflicted on a content creator like Mr. Enter. It's like with every step forward he takes, he takes two steps back, and it just infuriates me seeing someone ending up being rational with one thing, but completely irrational in something else. Like the pilot and premise thing was just "?????????????????", because even as someone who isn't a content creator, I don't understand that logic at all.
MR Enter is as inspiring as he is a warning sign. He crosses the line from dedication to stubbornness so far he trudges on even when he seems to hate it. Hard work will only get you so far if you refuse any criticism or flexibility.
The fact that he doesn't believe in marketing his creation nor doing an actual pilot to use as feedback & improve the concept really kinda shows how much of a self defeating brink wall he is doesn't it?
Not to mention it’s more proof he has gone COMPLETELY INSANE.
Brink wall?
@@Galacticaknight201 sorry my fingers slipped I ment "Brick".
It’s honestly almost concerning. How anti social is he that he doesn’t believe in marketing?
It just goes to show he has no idea what he's doing and refuses to learn.
There is already a Polish book from 1923 with a similar concept, but the world building makes there more sense. It's about a young boy who becomes a king and then changes the laws, so that the kids rule the country.
Do you know the name of it?
@@michaelchristie8329 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Matt_the_First
That actually sounds interesting
17:27 No they aren't inaccurate. The Spongebob pilot is one of my favorite episodes. Everyone loves Help Wanted, Reef Blower, and Tea at the Treedome. The Family Guy pilot has one of my favorite gags in the show. The Kool-Aid man bit. American Dad had a really good pilot. Everyone had their moment to shine and everything you see later is there.
The original Rocko's Modern Life pilot had some of the most fluid animation the show has ever produced
@@dannydamnmendez I laugh like crazy when the anchovies form a title wave and Squidward and Mr. Krabs have to get to safety. Then Spongebob has the montage of making the Krabby Patties. Everyone loves tea at the treedome to this day.
@@icecreamhero2375 "The smelly smell that smells... S M E L L Y"
Yeah that pilot was the penultimate introduction to Spongebob and its writing style. Hell, some of the live action screenplays I write take cues from the show's style of writing pre-season 4.
@@dannydamnmendez Spongebob taught me a very important lesson about writing. The plot doesn't matter. It's all about the execution and how the characters react to it. They turned a plot about a missing name tag, into one of the funniest things I have ever seen. There is humor to be found in every situation.
@@icecreamhero2375 "The most important meal of the day nenenenenene Gary's way bleh"
That's how Mike Judge treats his writing style too especially in King of the Hill. He finds a lot of humor in the mundane. When I'm bored and not doing anything, the scene where Hank throws a sandwich at Luanne will randomly cross my mind and I start laughing like a deranged hyena
As someone who criticized extra credits for saying that everything’s political, it’s kind of ironic that Mr. Enter lost one of his editors for bringing up politics
Remember, do what he says, not what he does.
I definitely hate that he is brining up politics these days since it’s bad enough that he has caused so much permanent damage to the cartoon community but the fact he is going political these days is even WORSE.
@@Mario87456 He indeed became the very thing he sought to avoid; now becoming a clown for the joke.
The quarantine is bringing out the worst in him. I had to unsub after being a sub for the past 4+ years and even supporting GA through super chats because he was becoming increasingly intolerable. His streams felt like I was listening to The Mysterious Alex Jones.
Maybe it was the type of politics he didn’t like, which makes him an even bigger hypocrite. Enter reminds me of those dudes whose politics are similar to Andrew Yang, says masks are infringing on our human rights and prefers bitcoin over cash.
It wasn’t a failure, it was an atrocity!
An animated one
@@sadvec6328 thank you guys for making this joke for me, now I can rest in peace
@@sadvec6328 DAMN YOU I WAS TOO LATE!
We've found another animated atrocity.
You mean Animated Atrocity?
...
I’ll show myself out now, sorry.
Oh hey, that video came out. Wasn't happy with my interview, I forgot how bad I became at talking to strangers.
Oh yeah, I'm creator of Growing around. Me and John are the Co-creators. This is my burden to remember.
have a nice day
F to pay respects
How much was your involvement with it's creation? Is Mr. Enter as unhinged as he portrays himself to be online?
Damn.
The premise was honestly flimsy at best. I couldn't imagine fleshing out a whole show of "adults and kids swap places" without it either being full of plot holes/countless unexplained issues or turning insanely dark with tons of weird implications.
Dispite everything tho a part of me is so curious to see what the guy who's got a complaint about everything feels to be the perfect cartoon.
"I owe zero explanation to my premise" is
Uh
A line.
As someone developing several different things, I actually get really chatty about the stuff I make to the point I have a term for when I get so chatty everyone pays attention to it. I love to talk about my work and the reason I hold back on doing too much of it is because admittedly a lot of it is weird bullshit and in two cases there's about a decade's worth of stuff to sift through, and also because I like hearing about others' stuff.
"I owe zero explanation to my premise" really gives off "i didn't think my work through/I don't feel confident about my work to tell you" vibes, to me.
Growing Around seems like an interesting premise for a quirky one-off short, but very stunted in the long term.
Just like the short he based it off of
He based his idea on a failed pilot that was among other shows in what was basically a _clip show_.
I say it would be great for a horror lord of the flies esc short. Maybe a very small mini series as long as it focuses on it being dystopian. What it doesn’t work is it being a kids cartoon. Even for kids. It’s scary because as an older child you are aware you will grow up.
When I hear Mr. Enter say Pilots are BS I just laughed my ass off cuz thats just wrong tbh like in Pilots are there to show a vision and to establish how its run so investors know what they are paying for
Edit: Side note ,its not just shows that does this in the comic and manga industry there are one shots and for movies its screen tests
In a nutshell its drafts for a essay
Most of the time pilots are different from the original vision of the creator, and if the pilot doesn't get enough views, which is completely on the network's choice if they air it at an awful time, the creator gets fucked over and there's nothing they can do about it.
@@woobgamer5210 That or the concept and the pilot work so good that it essentially becomes the first episode of the series (like with Gravity Falls)
Exactly. I like to call pilots a proof of concept. You don’t have the money to make it fully realized, but you have enough talent to show that your idea can work. I think Mr enter desperately needed a pilot to show everyone that his idea could work. If he believed it could.
Also, your idea of a video game will never go into production unless you provide your company a solid prototype of what your game is supposed to be about.
This is such an inane outlook. When I did my webcomic pilots, i was amazed at how much there is to change and rewrite on the most basic level and what to keep. I saw which characters worked and which didnt. I saw where my strenghts and weaknesses lied. It was by far the best possible move i did as an amateur creator and gave me the clearest idea of where to go next.
Making a pilot is MOST important even if its just a passion project.
I think Growing Around is a terrible and one-note idea that will get old quick. *Son:* Mom and Dad you threw a party without our permission. You're grounded. *Laugh track* A good premise is one you can use to tell a variety of stories. For example. American Dad. In the early episodes, there was more political satire. They got bored with the politics so that was quickly dropped. It became more character-driven and focused on absurdity. Another example is Spongebob. Sometimes you forget they are underwater.
Unless it’s a limited run series, this is mostly true.
@@vriskaserket1120 At most this only has enough mileage to be a joke in one episode. Remember when Family Guy did this plot? The Family Guy version is called Trading Places.
You uhh focused on the orginal idea from shorty and not what Enter was going for, just saying.
@@hiddenflare6169 It's the same idea, and it's horrible. A good premise is a premise that is flexible. You should almost be able to forget the premise and focus on the characters. The premise should be a backdrop and it should be more about characters. The Flintstones. *Premise:* They are a modern stone-age family *When you watch the show:* Oh boy how is Fred going to screw up this time. Are they going to try to pull a money-making scheme? With a concept like this, it's too in your face all the time. Even in Kids Next Door there are some episodes not about fighting evil adults. In Bob's Burgers many episodes are about the restaurant but not all of them.
@@icecreamhero2375 Your argument is flawed on one mere thing, we don't know his characters well enough. As long as it is written well, nearly any premise can work.
Also remember, not everyone wants to be a long runner like those series... Think Gravity falls and how that only lasted 2 seasons(there are only comics and such because people love it that much).
"They deserved to be fired immediately and blacklisted." Good lord.
I think Mr Enter is talking to himself.
Mr. Enter
*takes long drag of a cigarette*
I haven't heard that name in a minute
Edit: I love this dumb smoking chain that I inadvertently created
*also stops smoking my cigar*
Me neither...
@@drspaghet *slowly puts down bong* wow... man, I've never even heard of the guy. isn't it weird how some people know more than others? what a trip...
i would really go for some taco Bell right now.
*puffs out a cloud from my juul pen*
I don’t know how to add to this conversation, I just wanted to be a part of this smoking circle.
But Just Stop made a video on him recently.
@@pufflefluff843 *stops huffing my car's exhaust pipe*
He's the reason I smoke.
Watching this as a former member of the original (2014-2017) GrowingAround team (I was a voice actress and writer/editor) is so surreal. This video is amazing! Thanks for your work, it really took me back.
I completely understand not wanting to talk about your time with the project for many reasons, so no pressure here, but is there anything you'd feel comfortable explaining about your experiences with growing around?
@@kirin1230 Having talked to the former team in the two weeks since I posted this comment, I don't really have anything to say honestly. I'm still friends with a few members of the original team and some of those people are still actively friends with Mr. Enter. What I can say is that although some of us may not be friends with him anymore, nobody in the group has any ill will towards him nor wishes him anything but good things for him. We just all grew apart with time and no longer felt a desire to work on the project, since some of us weren't very aware of what working on a creative project meant. Ultimately, I have no ill will towards him and having talked to my friends who worked with me on it, it's a sentiment shared amongst us all.
@@StudentCleric Thanks for taking time out of your day to respond. That's nice to hear, I too don't wish any I'll will towards him and hope he will learn and improve from this whole situation. Best wishes to you and the rest of the old project members!
When Enter was asked about marketing and he said, "I dunno how necessary that is." My eyes rolled. How tf else are people gonna see it? Also this idea.....it's not that ground breaking to me. Like another comment said, this is just like Kids Next Door. And I was surprised to hear this was still being worked on.
Super Meatboy Forever came out recently and nobody knew what it was about; most people thought it was just a remix/retake of the original.
The Wii-U. Full stop.
Advertising and image concepts are important. I loathe to say _marketing_ is important, but that's just my beige engineering background showing.
@@XanthinZarda Giving how many times he bashed networks for putting good shows on crappy time slots thus killing those shows, you think he already know how important Marketing is
@@JohnWilliams-wl9px Friday night death slots aside, networks don't murder shows they want to succeed by premièring them in a bad time slot.
Except Fox, who felt that giving the gridiron wankers their game was more important than their actual success as a broadcast network.
@@XanthinZarda actually some do if they don’t reach the numbers they were expected they move to a bad time slot with the it intention for it to have low watchers.
That way they can write it off as a failure and as a tax exception. Canada literally has a law that dictates a certain amount of cartoons of Canadian have to be made. So networks that have cartoons make a cheap cartoon in order just to fit that quota, and get a tax write off
"Pilots are a really really really bad way of showcasing a television show"..... I'm not trying to disparage him or anything, but that's probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
The more I think about it, Growing Around is basically the Yandere Simulator of animation
Mrenter is already turning into mr consume yanderedev himself
*I can make the idea of "Growing Around" work and even more interesting.*
*Here's my reworked plot:*
In a small town, the children are all tired of being bossed around by their parents. At the same time the parents feel their kids do not understand how difficult it is being an adult.
The kids talk to each other and work out an idea. One day, they all gather the parents in the park and challenge the adults to take their place as kids to see how they like it. The adults are perplexed but they feel this could be a splendid opportunity to show their kids how difficult growing up is.
For one week, the roles of kids and adults are reversed.
(Kids go to their parents work and adults go to their Children's school.)
If someone decides its too hard and wants their family to go back to normal the other team gains a point.
The team with the most points by the end of the week wins.
Each episode focuses on a different family trying to work through this challenge and the struggles switching roles brings.
At the end of every episode, each family ends up growing stronger and parents bond even more with their kids.
*Example Episode:*
A little girl tries to go to her parent's job of manning a restaurant, while her parents try working through her math homework.
The little girl is screamed at by her adult and child patrons as she does her best to clean and serve people.
Her parents do their best to sort through the math homework, filling the classroom with an ocean of scrap paper. They finally figure out the answers and turn in the homework, before walking home and wondering how their daughter performed at work. They come inside their home to find their little girl crying under her parent's bed. She tells her parents how she worked really hard but everyone was just yelling at her all day, saying everything she did wasn't good enough. She tells her parents that she's done trying to be them, in fact she's scared to go back, and even worse, too afraid to imagine what it will be like to actually grow up and have to deal with them.
While her parents win, they now see their daughter is crying and is scared of growing up. The parents hug their little girl, and explain that growing up isn't all bad, she'll be ready to perform whatever job she wishes when she's older. The parents even apologize and begin talking to her about how much pressure as parents they now realize they were placing onto their little girl.
The next day, things are back to normal, but the girl prepared breakfast for her parents, citing they will need it for work today. The father then stops his daughter and says he should drive her to school. The daughter smiles as the episode ends.
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Honestly, I see this idea working much better as a film, whether short or feature length.
Let me know what you think about my reworked plot.
I actually like the revised premise. The idea about children and their parents switching their roles as a challenge and each contestants want their family to go back to normal loses a point while the contestants themselves getting a reality check is convincing.
This is so clean I can imagine this being a show that I would enjoy to watch. The idea of the parents agreeing to swap roles with the children for the sake of teaching them the hardships of being an adult and vice versa is so wholesome, and it has the potential to be satisfying to see both sides learn from each other.
This premise is also great because it has the potential to be educational for the audience, and can teach them to understand and respect each other for what they do. This could be a great family experience.
For me personally this would be perfect with a nice combination of comedy and emotional moments.
I think the challenge though comes from making each episode or arc interesting. Like yeah you could have an episode where a kid has a to taxes but how do you make do you make that interesting?
This premise is really good though. Its simple and easy to understand and has the potential to emotionally resonate with me at least. This could be a good kids show.
Your rework basically completely fixes 90% of the world building and setting problems that Mr. Enter ignored or expects us to take at face value.
@@crustykeycap5670 The only issue with the idea of parents and kids swabbing roles for a day to appreciate their roles is a super cliche story line at this point.
@@jstevinik3261 yeah but has anyone ever had an entire show about it? It can just be the premise that allows a bunch of other interesting things to happen within it. Like there are alot of super hero shows, but some of them do different things than others. The premise doesn’t have to be original its just the way its used.
“LYLE, LYLE, TURN ON THE TV, THEY HIT THE PENTAGON, THEY HIT THE FUCKIN PENTAGON” -Turning Red, 2022
For me this video is best summed up as this:
Bitting off more than you can chew when you don’t know how to chew.
Damn I can't tell if this is a roast or advice
@@brub1738 I think it's both
Yup, pretty much
You could have called this "The Dunning-Kruger Effect in Full Swing"
Let me get this straight this guy said three writers on Spongebob should *never* work again, because he didn't like *one* episode, but he wants to be the showrunner on a fully animated children's cartoon, even though he hasn't taken the time to learn how to:
0. Draw?
1. Animate
2. Edit.
3. Worldbuild
4. Write in proper format
5. Play well with others
6. Play to the industry
7. Market his material
8. Otherwise exploit his social media presence.
9. Set realistic goals or limitations.
OR
10. Adequately convey his vision to his audience of potential investors
This is actually really inspiring, because despite all of this he still somehow made $10K; and it makes me realize how much more realistic I can be in my own expectations for myself.
Not only has he simply not taken the time to learn how to do those things, he actively refuses to do most of those things. He doesn't write in the proper script format because he personally thinks it's stupid for some inane reason, doesn't want to advertise the show or pitch it to networks, and constantly shuts down Q&A sessions when he gets valid, basic questions about the show's world that he doesn't like.
Well by this point Enter is completely delusional and has gone completely insane.
Never work again because of one episode? That sounds like overkill. Everyone has their duff moments.
@@1Thunderfire I agree not to mention it’s just too harsh I mean sheesh he wanted them BLACKLISTED for writing what he thinks is a BAD EPISODE and also just for writing ONE BAD EPISODE!? (At least in his opinion anyway) That’s going too far not mention very cruel in my view.
@@Mario87456 I mean, sure, but if you've actually taken the time to watch his newer videos then you'll realize that he doesn't do those types of things anymore because it isn't morally right and that he's apologized for his actions, some of the people he's complained about even accepting his apology. I'm not saying what he did was right, because it isn't, but he's since apologized for it and he's stuck to his words about never doing it ever again.
(For reference, he's on Animated Atrocity 170+ or so as of now, and made his statement about never saying those kind of things ever again during Animated Atrocity 78, which is his Time Twister review from The Problem Solverz, which was made 5 years ago.)
How come that he has a project he really wants to put out, yet he doesn't wanna give it any promotion or even a pilot? He is too closed minded.
He doesn't even want it on the Cartoon Network or Disney Channel. If he wants to make the show as he envisioned it, he'll need network funding.
@@supernintendo182 It's the old as time Yin and Yang of Art and Business, reminds me how the artistic renaissance happened because a bunch of rich merchants wanted to decorate their homes and flaunt their religiosity. An artist needs money to make art, an investor needs something good to make money
I think the concept of Growing Around is inherently flawed. There's not really a way that you can suspend your disbelief enough on the concept to see adults be re-educated by children. Where did the kids' education come from? Are they independent from birth? Why do adults lose their human rights once they become adults? There are too many base problems for me to actually give it any headspace, but I can still respect Enter's very stubborn approach to this series; although, as someone who is very big on receiving critiques to improve, I cannot respect echo-chambering yourself to release a more than flawed series.
I wonder if he could fix this by introducing some big plot twist that reveals that everyone in the world has Benjamin Button Syndrome or some shit.
...Actually no. Thinking about how these people would reproduce, that's disgusting.
It's not worthy of respect though. He's no different than Hayden Black.
@@SirBlackReeds I detailed a rework of Growing Around if you want to read it. (Click the newest comments tab) Keep in mind that I’m not a professional writer, it's a rough draft, and it's not meant to be officially released in any capacity. If you think it sucks, it's great or just meh, let me know. I'm hoping that I at least solved some of the logical inconsistencies of the script and setting.
So basically like the world building of the Cars trilogy, but worse since Cars is a series of movies between 1 and 2 hours, and Growing around would be a show where the length of the whole thing and variety of situation an episodic show puts the audience through pushes you to question how the world works a lot more.
I've come up with a little scene of horror to demonstrate the flaw.
So in the animatic, there is a crossing guard. Let's say this crossing guard is afraid of the praying mantis.
So the local city bully (By Zeus, what a phrase) decides to deck out their truck with a decorative mantis head.
The crossing guard sees him coming at _more than reasonable speed for a school zone_ but lapses into base instinct on seeing the mantis.
What do you think happens?
I give Enter massive props for trying to create a series from the ground up. Regardless of how flawed the premise may be, as an author I know how difficult it is to create a project and how stuck inside your own head you can get. However, I do think the premise of Growing Around is inherently flawed. I hope he learns from his mistakes.
Also your project looked super cool! I know it must be frustrating that people weren’t very interested but you have a very good attitude about it.
"My name is the mysterious Mr enter, the true and honest creator of growing around"
This whole project is a mess. It's going to be very interesting to see where this goes before it ultimately goes down the drain. I wonder if we'll ever see any form of full-fledged animation. 🤔
Honestly, I doubt it. Not like we'd really be missing out on much :/
This is going to end just like Gen Zed.
I don't dislike Mr. Enter, but I gotta say, the guy has one of the most fragile constitutions I've ever seen. If this crashes and burns or becomes a YanDev situation where he starts acting erratic and he refuses to see rationality, I wouldn't be surprised. If he does go bananas, at least we can thank God that Mr. Enter is asexual cause YanDev's kinks and sex doll exploits almost killed me from laughing too much.
@@Nightman221k Well, I think we're reaching Spoony levels with Mr. Enter. Spoony had a massive burnout and basically left CZcams, but I don't think he's gonna go full yandev.
Though he's also reached the "Refusing to see rationally" given the interspersements he put into some of his recent reviews.
@@XanthinZarda Oh, is that why Spoony doesn't make stuff anymore?
there's something really upsetting to me of seeing little kids doing adult stuff and i cant explain why
👮♂️: You called?
I’m guessing that you either not like or never watched South Park
Its just unatural
Boss Baby would like a word
@@joshuaminton7583 you know what i didnt even think about south park-i dont watch the show but i think the super exaggerated animation style as well as the humor of it makes it easier to deal with. Growing Arund has normal proportion kids that are acting like adults in a serious matter and im just HMM
"Mr. Enter hates pilots"
...There's a Turning Red - 9/11 joke in there somewhere
So how about Mr. Enter’s Turning Red review?
*Nonchalantly walks in* So! Turning Red! Heard about that controversy yet?
Just found out. I don't like the movie myself, but looking at what he's said...damn, Enter's finally snapped and lost it!
i don't know how he's done it, but he found a dumber criticism than "well i can't relate to it", i didn't even think it was possible
I absolutely loved the movie. But yeah, I gotta say, after seeing Mr Enter's point about the movie not mentioning 9/11, I'm seriously reconsidering how I feel about the movie now. s/
yeah I rediscovered him after that review and like. I watched him when I was younger, like I found him when mlp was at it's peak so I was probably 11/12. It's just odd finding his videos again and seeing how angry he gets about shows and movies for kids, now as an adult I saw turning red and I didn't really love it. But if I saw it 10 years ago when I was a kid I definitely would have.
It's like when I saw people making jokes about how if in the minions movie they always help the most evil villains in the world it meant they helped h1tler. But then actually being upset the minions didn't confront h1tler. Tf would you want a kids movie set in Canada to address 9/11 for. Or in Mr. Peabody and sherman why didn't they use their time machine to go back and stop 9/11. It's such a weird leap 😭
Also the fact I remember him being obsessed with growing around, and even as a 13 year old I thought the idea was stupid and didn't see why he was so obsessed with it. And, shocker, years later nothing has come of it.
I didn't even like the movie (mainly because it isn't for me) and I thought his review was dumb, it felt like he didn't even watch the movie.
Growing Around is not a good concept, at least played straight.
I can see some sort of dystopian parody being made from it, but as it is I can only see it working as a short.
Yeah, the only way I could see a working as either a dystopian cynical take or something where there's a twist that actually explains why the kids act like adults and the adults act like kids.
To be honest, if he actually fleshed out the concept, it could’ve been decent imo
Outside dystopian parody, (or working within it, depending on how you do it) if someone presented me the premise and said "work it out" my first instinct would be to suggest that society lives in a world so advanced that there is literally almost no chance of anything going wrong. However, for practical reasons, in case there is a truly unforeseeable catastrophe, that could throw them back to the stone age (or at least the industrial age) the parents feel obligated to teach their kids "how to be adults," and the adults need something to occupy their time. So they construct a massive elaborate ARG and build their whole society around it. The kids can pretty much do whatever they want, because it's all in service of teaching them through experience, and the advanced tech means their mistakes won't have real consequences.
Then you could say either that the parents get so caught up in it that they forget that it's just a game sometimes, or that the society has gone through this cycle so many times that _everyone_ has just forgotten that parents *used* to be in charge of their kids, and discovering that part of their heritage is a big twist for the adults in the show's lore. In that case I think the main villain would be a boy who uses advanced tech to retain his youth. He was a budding boy genius and mad scientist who launched a conspiracy to cover up the truth so he'd never have to grow old, or be nice to his little sister. You could even say he still retains control of everyone's aging, and he allows them to age into second class citizens when they question his authority, demonstrate a preference for organized social structures, or show sympathy for parents.
In literal terms the kids would probably be raised by robots, by the way. Which you could do something with. Maybe throw the reddit conspiracy theorists a bone and pepper in hints that the Mad Boy Science-King is just a convoluted way to mask a robot uprising. Where humanity is enslaved simply for the robots' amusement. And if that's the plot we're going with, you say that _at this point_ at least, children are genetically engineered from two selected parents. That way nobody is asking about how procreation works in your children's show.
@@futurestoryteller I'd say you just saved the show/story but I know MrEnter probably would reject it, either way.
It reminds me of how society kinda works in To Terra/Toward the Terra ('70s sci-fi manga) where under the rule of a supercomputer, kids are given random parents and have a fairly normal life. Once they turn 14, they get brainwashed and end up forgetting their childhood work in society (or something like that).
It shows that the premise needed either more time to be thought out or....just work on another idea. He reviewed, like, a bunch of other pilots so he has a bunch of ideas to work from there, lol.
I haven’t watched Mr. Enter’s videos in a long time and good god this man really has no idea what he’s talking about but he acts like he does, it infuriates me, I’m glad I dropped him awhile ago, he does not seem like a pleasant man to be around
No, No he does not
“Do not ping me, ever.”
@Matthew Myers No he doesn't
Too be fair he did make a good technocracy series that everyone should definitely watch. Plus his political videos are pretty good
@Matthew Myers its a matter of opinion. you can like him but some dont and thats ok
can i be legit honest with you guys...
i kind of afraid if enter becomes yanderedev...
Thats possible
Difference is that Yanderedev is somehow still getting big numbers, while Mr.Enter is pretty much broke
@La Maci He said on his Tumblr (remember those?) that he's asexual.
@Alex JG I mean, it'd explain why he doesn't see anything wrong with Growing Around's weird premise.
He probably will (whoever this person known as yanderedev is) since he went completely insane in 2020.
I remember during the funding, he'd host a few livestreams with some of his team, answering questions and such. Some of the chat's comments were great, I saw a lot of people asking if there was a child Hitler. I remember one time I asked a question about the prison system or something and Enter was like "yknow what, no more questions" and I never felt so proud.
🐐
it seems like enter is trying to make a world where its all sunshine and rainbows despite there being obvious disturbing implications. which seems like such a boring thing to watch imo, like id imagine episodes going like this.
adult: hey mom-daughter, what happens when someone commits a crime
kid: what the heck is a crime? nobody does anything bad ever
adult: i mean where do they go-
kid: oh no, i smell a stinky... does someone need a diaper change?
adult: ........yes.........
@@mochiamori Of course he would do that he would prefer to try make a taste like diabetes world because of his grasp on reality being rather terrible not mention he is a manchild.
growing around is terrifying to me, not because of the show itself, but because of it's what I could of become if I didn't have as much help and support with my writing as I do
You wanna know how a lot of the best cartoons ever came about? Because creators were able to come up with their own ideas expressed through their own vision. Stephen Hillenberg came up with SpongeBob because it was an idea that he'd been nurturing since his marine biology days. Craig McCracken came up with PowerPuff Girls as a love-letter to all the media he loved consuming as a child, but still twisted in a way to make it stand on its own. Dan Povenmire and Swampy Marsh came up with Phineas and Ferb based on their life-long friendship and love of working together. And what made Enter come up with Growing Around? Because he wanted to prove he could do better than some random pilot from Disney Channel nobody remembers.
If that's your creative spark, to steal an idea that's already been done because you think you can do better, something's wrong. Ideally, a creative person should come up with their own idea based on their own personal interest and life experience, to showcase their own vision, not to prove that they're better than something else.
There may have been more of a personal spark to why he got attached to the idea, though. He has mentioned many times how he had a bad childhood with parents he seems to resent, so that could be why he liked the idea of kids lording over adults.
@@Phil-ni3ol It’s not even an interesting idea though. He seemed to only like the idea because that’s literally how he thought the world should be.
@@dylanmcartoonell1536 I doubt he would want literal role reversal IRL.
@@jstevinik3261 Not in the real world, no. But a lot of the bad reputation this project's gotten is because his world works a certain way and Enter refuses to explain anything about why it does. He's not imagining his fantasy in the real world, it's in one suited to allowing it to exist.
@@starofjustice1 He does explain the world and his motivation to creatw such a world: an unusual premise that has potential for numerous episode ideas (Enter wrote 70+). The premise and his thought process may not be great but he has given explanation.
OK, straight up, NO SHIT this project was going to fail. Just the concept doesn't make any sense. This would work as a satire (of what I don't know) or a one-off episode of a kid's cartoon. There is NO WAY I can see this as a self sustaining show where this concept is the main draw. It leaves so many questions that just tear it to pieces. Here are few I was thinking as Daft was summarizing the project:
1) What is the innate draw of this dynamic? Why would anyone want to make / watch a show where this is just how the world works?
2) How does maturity / immaturity work? Are the kids smart but get dumber as the adults grow up? Or are the kids arbitrarily in charge for some reason? If so, they're not developed enough to actually sustain a society - even in fiction.
3) Procreation. This one is a long and terrifying one to contemplate. If we are supposed to believe that the kids are smart and the adults are dumb, that would mean people would have to have kids in their teen years before they become full stupid, to give the new child enough time to grow and take over. If so, yay, underage sex is the norm in this universe. If the adults are normal but just hand it off to the kids and the adults have no power... who is running things while parents are having their kids? If the parents live in a house but only the child can pay for it / have legal presidential, how are the parents supposed to survive until the kid is old enough to take over those responsibilities?
4) Most importantly, why? Why does this universe run this way? Is it biological? because that makes no sense. Biology works the way it does for a reason, this dynamic would be confused and difficult to explain. Is it social? That makes no sense either, kids are not developed enough to run anything. It can't be a one-off joke episode because the implication I've gotten is that THIS IS THE SERIES.
My point is, this is a DUMB basket to try and put your eggs in. Like, I feel bad it failed, but how was it ever supposed to succeed when the premise was THIS FLAWED?
Moral: Don't get inspiration from a failed pilot. It failed for a reason.
Enter says the adults have kids
Plenty of successful shows have a premise not based in logic. That isn't why this failed.
@@DriscolDevil Correct. Nobody ever turned off CatDog because they couldn't fathom how either of them could survive without a butthole. It's not Westworld, an animated comedy for kids needs very little in the way of logic.
Ok so like, when the kids in a family unit start to grow up, who is in charge in the family? Is it’s still them or the kids that the parents have become the parent?!?!
Man this is epic, This feels like a christmas gift
Okay, this is e🅱️ic
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Enter really thought that a rip off of a pilot for a failed Disney Channel show was gonna be his Snow White.
My theory as to why he's so fixated on this one idea is because to him it's a sort of self-insert fantasy; his impossible dream world where if he lived in it, he would never have to worry about adult stuff like taxes, keeping a job, paying bills, etc. and could just live like a child forever, like being able to watch children's cartoons without being judged. His views on how "evil" the real world is in his other videos also support this idea. It would explain why he's so seemingly obsessed with such a simple and nonsensical concept, and why he's so offended by and hostile towards even the most basic criticism or feedback. It's *his* personal utopia fantasy world and nobody is allowed to have even the slightest influence over it's design.
EDIT: After looking deeper into it and finding out more about the book he wrote set in this universe, there's a really creepy obsession with unfairly punishing and humiliating adult characters. I feel that this is also part of his power fantasy to "get revenge" on adults who have wronged him in the past (for example he evidently had a bad childhood) similar to how Chrischan would write people in the real world he dislikes (like teachers or mall cops) into his comics as villains, or in later years the full-on torture scenes of the "trolls".
I mean by that logic,why even try to make it a public series anyway? Why not just keep it to yourself
Kind of reminds me of Sonichu. That’s kind of scary.
@@umairashraf5167 Acceptance and reassurance, I'm guessing. That's something we all crave in one form or another, but it's important for us to understand how to accept criticism as well.
@@Zarnirox that's reason but this is definitely stuff you have to deal with privately,it's like people have forgotten that diaries exist
You're gonna LOVE George Alexopoulos
I don't understand why he's so attached to this idea. It's really not that great of a premise.
Perhaps not as he envisions it. But there is a potential to explore a world ruled by kids where adults are treated as second class, just like parents treat their kids if approached the right way. Perhaps something along the lines of what Kids Next Door in Space was supposed to be.
Sunk cost fallacy.
It’s at least partially because he’s a pathetic man child so to him it sounds amazing just goes to show how pathetic he really is.
@@Mario87456 I don't like Enter or approve of his actions, but that's just mean. Don't put down and insult others. It doesn't help anything.
@@kirin1230 Well it’s true I am afraid sometimes you have to be blunt and 2020 proved he was a very unpleasant person such as his views on masks for example.
honestly I think this idea COULD work but I just had a better idea that still fits
a world where kids are put into their own recreational city as a demo for adulthood until they turn 18 and integrate into society
that animatic's joke actually made me groan out loud
Could that even count as a joke?
@@misterdewott8766 It could be a corny remark if the viewer was fully on board with the concept and the driver said something to the effect of "How long did you take making that?" or "Ain't heard that one before"
Enter: I am the person in charge, whatever goes wrong is my fault
Also Enter: I don’t owe you an explanation for my premise if you don’t understand that’s on you
As a satire, parody, or even a straight up special that takes place in a kid's dream, you can have a lot of fun with it and produce some great jokes and plotlines. As a legit series though, especially when played straight, it's almost impossible to not only get off on the right foot but also to keep it fresh after six episodes.
Even if this somehow turns out good, this is Mr. Enter. A guy I have lost any small ounce of respect I initially had after the healthcare disaster.
Healthcare disaster? What happened?
@@leethompson-kolar6333
Basically, in his pandemic video (or videos, there's a few of them), he said some awful, dumb shit like "medicare isn't a human right", "required vaccinations are a human rights violation", and "quarantine isn't working because it doesn't 100% guarantee you won't get sick".
Half a year ago, I've compiled a variety of tweets calling him out for this. Some small, some major.
You know sometimes when I'm in a slump I wonder if I can ever make a cartoon or get in the industry that I love because I don't have enough talent. But knowing Enter exists makes me realize something. At least I can fucking draw
The only way to make a “kids rule” story work is by removing the adults, or by giving the kids some magic/techno advantage over them. The idea that the older, stronger, larger generation would just hand off all the power to their children of their own accord is just impossible.
Judging how he tends to like shorts and episodes about kids ruling over adults and his deeply troubled childhood of adults failing him again and again, I wonder if the reason why he has latched onto this idea for so long is that it is somehow linked to traumatic experiences? I mean, your younger years can really shape who you are without you even knowing it. I didn't even know I watched Sagwa as a child until recently and it clicked that I based my fursona off of her over a decade later without even knowing about the show existing, and my favorite breed of cats being Siamese and Himalayans. All from a cartoon I couldn't even muster up a single memory from. And that's just for a character!
He needs to step back and evaluate why he is so latched onto this concept in the first place because it's such a bad one to be so invested in.
But he won't.
Yeah, he kinda needs to see a shrink. I myself _very_ directly had my furry realization over Gadget Hackwrench. But I didn't exactly go and make an _exact copy;_ she mutated over the years and had a unique spin right from the start: A being made of light whose primary purpose is pleasure; her ability to will herself into many shapes.
His opinions about pilots are quite bizarre. I am no expert, but I've done my research on the world of animation, and from what I understand the purpose of a pilot is, more than anything else, to demonstrate to the people you are trying to sell that you can actually come up with a polished finished product.
Like... does he also think résumés are bad because they do a bad job at selling yourself?
@@ARCtheCartoonMaster And without a pilot, what exactly does he have to pitch this show with to try and get support? "It's the same idea as this one-shot show I reviewed that nobody cared about, but *I* can do it right...Also don't ask why adults would give up their freedom to grade schoolers."
"Thank you Mister Rozanski, I think we've heard enough."
It worked super well with Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel when they weren’t even picked up, put more money into it in the former’s case
@@Air_Serpent Hazbin got successful and has a fanbase even if the show isn't come out yet.
Honestly Growing Around would've made more sense if it took place in a world ruled by kids but with no adults, then we'd still have a series that empowers kids without the many plotholes plaguing the actual product.
@Alex JG Yeah, like that!Lord of the Flies' premise was insulting imo, Enter could've done it right.
Remember, its easy to criticize, its hard to create.
There is a good scene in the animated show The Critic, in which the main character meets his former film school professor, and the professor told him that "[He] was not meant to build, [he's] meant to tear apart" and "nitpick what people put their hearts and souls into".
It's actually kind of sad that he's willing to die on the hill of something with such a weak premise and has just stagnated for all these years. His technocracy videos were fairly interesting but OOFT everything else is rough and messy, the editing the moon logic the.. the antivaxxing??? It's downright pitiable it is. He is at the very least a cautionary tale for other folks; you either hold off on doing a project because "it's gotta be perfect first time" or you refuse to stop squeezing blood out of that poor rock when there's juicier stones at yer feets.
I'm working on a passion project of my own; a webcomic that, even ten years into my career as a digital artist, may be out of my depth, but I have a clear goal in mind and I already have everything I need to make it happen. I've also taken a lot of critique that has humbled me and even made me doubt myself, but made me feel better about the project in the long run.
I bring this up because I, like Enter, am on the autism spectrum. It makes it hard for me to focus on an idea, it makes it hard to focus in general. Long-term commitments, busywork, writing scripts, planning ahead, it's all very difficult for me; it's easy for ideas to form but not see results for way too long. But I'm still doing it, and I'm having fun with it, and I'm learning as I do it. Generally the results are positive, if slow, and I'm already going back and improving upon the earlier chapters of the webcomic to make it better. But I also have an art career to focus on. It would take a miracle to make this webcomic profitable. I'll find a way, though.
I'm glad you're aware of the problems that such an undertaking brings. As someone also a fellow of the Order of Autistic, those statements resonate quite well with me; and it takes a very long sideways look to realize sometimes, "Wait, what was I doing this for?"
Good luck on your comic
Please tell me when the first chapter comes out. I would love to support you once you get your idea off the ground. Keep persuing, you'll find a way!
@@kirin1230 I've already finished and uploaded two chapters. It's called Death's Metal. It's available on many websites but all of them have less than ideal formats for comics. I'll find a better place to host it in the future, after I start uploading Chapter 3.
@@MariktheGunslinger Thanks. I tried searching on webtoon and couldn't find it. Am I just an idiot who can't spell or is it not there? I'd recommend uploading there as well due to the large reader base, but just a suggestion. I'll check other platforms.
Anyone else notice that the dad in growing around looks almost exactly like MrEnter’s secondary rantsona
I like to believe every idea can work if approached and executed well. Same goes here.
Like others said in the comments, concept of reversing roles of adults and children could work, but either as a short, one episode in the series or dystopia.
Other shows with kids in charge or children societies, like KND and Ed, Edd & Eddy, work not because of reversing roles but rather because of turning adults into outside force above kids that can impact their mini world by threatening or helping them.
30:20 Does anyone else hate it when your grades are so bad that your upper half disappears and your wife's head phases in and out of existence?
I noticed that the style of the show kinda looked like it was made by children
Captain underpants already had an episode where kid’s and adult’s roles were changed.
Yeah I saw a clip of it
Family Guy did it, and Fairly Odd Parents did it in School's out the musical.
Enter thinks he can "Do it better"!
You mean the series that uses stupid and ridiculous ideas that would never work anywhere else but it does there because that's the entire premise of the series so it does work? Yeah, that's would totally work in its own series!
TheMysteriousMrEnter wants to make a whole show out of that plot alone.
For a guy who criticizes cartoons and the industry, he doesn't know how it works.
He spent so much time focusing on bad cartoons that he completely forgot what makes one GOOD...
this book would work ONLY if treated as a case study as to how victims of abuse and/or neglect view parental figures
I sometimes worry I may end up like Mr. Enter. I've had passion projects myself ever since my late high school years and I've been so desperate to jump in the animation industry with my own ideas (delusions of grandeur) to contribute to the animation, comics books, even voice acting and novels, but all my time in college with a learning disability has put so much of a strain on me that I couldn't make time to learn how to market myself, improve my skills, and make a name for myself to make my dreams come true.
You have self awareness. That's a big step.
@@XanthinZarda Thanks
I remember getting in trouble for watching a Mr enter video. My good christian grandma asked me what I was watching and I deadass said "Top Ten Squidward Torture Porn Episodes" 💀
What kind of writer, artist, or content/media creator don’t do interviews about their work or want to promote such? Seems like he will always be his biggest optical.
His premise is literally child friendly Children Of The Corn
MrEnter should just turn it into a Webtoon/Webcomic. The simple idea of the series can work much better as a long series of comics.
MrEnter shouldn’t flat out kill it, since the idea ultimately has some potential, but just repurpose it instead.
He had a webcomic. It was kinda lame. There's probably an archived version of it on the Wayback machine. (He deactivated his deviantart account.)
You know Mr. Enter should have made a different idea, then made a 4-panel comic strip. Advertised it at the end of every video. A comic strip is cheap you just need a piece of paper. He could have hired an artist. Paid the artist and gave them co-creator credit. Put it on Webtoons. Then posted a new one every week and sometimes have arcs. He bit off more than he can chew.
That would imply he had the organizational ability or _skill_ to do so. He's made several comics and they're barely mentioned as an aside in the video because that's just how _mediocre_ they are.
A show where kids rule and adults drool? Isn’t that just kids next door?? Mr.Enter has failed miserably to make that idea good
Or Danganronpa Another Episode but instead they keep adults as slaves. And Enter is surprised people would kill themselves in this world.
@@covereye5731 And adults are slaughtered. It's mostly genocide, actually. Only one character is kept as a slave, but your point still stands tho.
The Adult Genocide
@@pumpkin7079 I ment in Mr Enter''s world instead they are being kept as slaves, at least that's how it sounds to me.
@@covereye5731 Ohh, I wasn't aware. Yeah, that does bring up the argument toward Enter's world: Why wouldn't the kids kill themselves before they inevitability became adults? It's a rational question that he should address regarding the solidarity of it.
Not only is he ripping off the idea for this cartoon from another cartoon, that's also taking the idea from the 1970s - Mork and Mindy.
Mork was an alien who came to earth. The 'seniors' in his race were all children who acted like serious adults and people of Mork's age were childlike like him.
It's a old, done idea.
Is he even aware of it?
@@ChiefMedicPururu doubt it
I totally think what you said about putting a project in the back and working on other things helps a lot. I’ve been working on/off on a fictional universe since I was 12/13 (i’m 22 now) and I’m recently just getting back into it. Just because you take a break on a project doesn’t mean you can’t be passionate about it. It’s more about getting a fresh point of view on something.
I wonder if they address 9/11 in Growing Around