It Doesn’t Matter Where You Put Communist Polices Into Play, the Same Outcome Occurs
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My dog is all for private ownership when I try to take a toy away from him but he suddenly believes in communism when it comes time for me to eat my dinner
*derp
Brilliant, just brilliant!!!
Doggo: MY toy, OUR food
😄
Nice try. At least it would be when communism would entail abolition of private property.
When I hear someone say, "real communism hasn't been tried," my brain translates it as "I can control the One Ring."
I always love hearing Dr. Peterson wax poetic on totalitarian regimes, because it really forces you to consider your role in things.
Children have a way of living up or down to the expectations put upon them by parents an that is why it does fail over time.
What does a ring have to do with anything? lol. The notion that you think you're not under a totalitarian regime is pretty fun for me. ;D HAHAaaa... Oh you have some pain coming in your future. But it will be the kind you grow from. I promise that.
I think this isn't talked about enough, even by Jordan. The arrogance of other who think they or more likely someone else that they will follow can bring about utopia.
In this video Jordan just says it as an off handed remark, but I think it's worth discussing in depth what that arrogance entails.
I would love to hear someone ask a socialist to explain what they would do on the way to the utopia if people resist the vision.
What do you do with anyone who resists your Capitalist utopia? Just one quick look in the mirror bud. that's all it takes. ;) You kill them or throw them in jail, dummy.
@@vitaliydvorkin1342 they're communists. They expect someone else will solve the problem once they complain about it.
While attending college at age 18 (36 years ago) I was elected the entertainment officer at the student union. I then attended the Nation Union of Students conference here in the UK. Most of the student activists seemed to support Socialism or Communist ideologies (maybe it was cool). What I intuitively concluded was that those who supported these ideologies all seemed to possess a personal grievance against something (a chip on thier shoulder) rather than a true desire to help improve the wellbeing of the working class. In Bertrand Russell's interview when he is questioned on his thoughts of Lenin he said he did not think of him well because Lenin seemed to take great delight when the land owning farmers were hanged by their necks from the trees by the revolting peasants. It seem to me that Lenin had a "Chip on his shoulder" probably against those who had higher positions in society for whatever reason. The rest is history.
Lenin's father was granted the (hereditary) status of Russian nobility. Lenin himself could come and go as he pleased into the Tsar's court. He could have spent his life at some high administrative position, instead of getting arrested, exiled, beaten and so on. I don't know what kind of "lefties" are there in the west, but, please, make a note that the western left is closer to the western right than it is to the eastern left.
@@vasiliyabaev679 Bill "Weather Underground" Ayers, now professor emeritus and friend of BH Obama was the son of the President of Consolidated Edison, one of the biggest utilities in the US.
We've seen over and over that the left wants to promote equity not by bringing the poor up, but by bringing the rich down. It is an ideology of hate and spite.
@@vasiliyabaev679 True. I find it very irritating, that in Germany right now the extreme right is argumenting pro Putin, while the extreme left is doing the same.
The right is probably doing it out of spite of the involvement of the west in Urkaine, that provoked Putin and maybe because they like Putin as the strong leader, they think Germany is missing. And the left is so deranged that they still think of Russia as a glorious socialist utopia for some reason, which could not be further from the truth and also because of the involvement of the west aka capitalism in Ukraine.
Communism is not coming to the West. The West is a feudalistic system ruled by the new Lords and dictators - bankers and oligarchs who own corporations and control their puppet governments. Consider, for example, the U.S. Federal Government. The U.S. Federal Government does NOT provide the nation with repairs and support of infrastructure, education, healthcare, retirement plans, law enforcement. And yet, the federal government collects 15 to 30 percent of the income of regular working people. This is exactly what Feudals did to the common folks in the middle centuries in feudalistic countries. To prevent people's revolt, they scare people by spreading lies about "communism coming."
I live in Denmark and back in the 70s/80s, my father was a communist. Then in 1983 we was on a trip to Berlin, having to travel through east Germany in order get there. The experience was enough for my father goo full right wing. The corruption, poor state of everything and police going through everything. Even my toy cars was taken apart. Having studied history a lot, I find it amusing every time left wing person calls the right nazis, but in reality they are the nazis. What the left generally don’t know is that the nazi and communism both comes left wing socialism. Both are just as bad. Socialism is properly the ideology that has killed the most in all of history.
The greatest myth is that political ideology is liner. It isn't. Instead it is circular, on one side freedom and tollerence, and on the other oppression. The only difference is which mob rules the roost.
Really? I've been to North Korea and I don't like labels, but I'm very socialistic. A command economy with state control of key industries and no billionaire oligarchs would be 👌 Also, East German border guard procedures had nothing to do with communism. Communism is an economic doctrine. The TSA in america basically strip searches every one who boards a flight when they make them go through those body scanning machines. Guess the USA is communist thanks to Bush and Cheney.
Sorry religious wars killed many more. Along with NAZI Germany's war on Jewish Bolshevism. The British Imperialist were also no saints either. Capitalism came into the world dripping in blood and oozing dirt from every pore.
The weird thing and worth investigate and complicate thing is, communisim always end up with dictatorship, revolution and dictatorship combine together killing millions of people.
The question worth asking, is there anyway we can achieve a socialism without dictatorship, or socialism always tangled with dictatorship.
From a history point view, the second one happens all the time.
And by the way, about the statistics of 100 million killed by communism, the stats is controversial, but 50-100 million is more rigid. I am from China, I know this part more than most of westerns, sorry for this ignorant attitude
Correct, MK. Early in the 20th century, revolutionary leftist Italian academics developed fascist theories. Stanley G. Payne wrote about this in his book, A History of Fascism. He studied it for decades and taught at university.
Ludwig von Mises noted that National Socialism (fascism) and Communism are two sides of the same coin of interventionism. Under fascism, government and business collude to impose political policy via business. Under communism, government contols who runs the business and holds ownership, and the business is the direct instrument of the state. The outcomes are nearly the same- destruction of wealth and lives.
Thats interesting because both did well, both
@@Master_J2375 The oligarchs of Russia did well under communist rule while the Russian people lived horrific lives. The German people were not only brought out of poverty and given their dignity back under national socialism, but they absolutely excelled... until, well you know.
Both push collectivism above individualism.
So business should just independently hold unbridled political power?
@@H4XX0RPR1M3 No one should hold unbridled political power. Political power can be abolished. Let every person be a sovereign individual. Peace and prosperity will follow.
Once again, thanks for mentioning Venezuela and talking about the reality of what life is there. I am Venezuelan, I would love to help translating your messages to Spanish because I believe that all of Latin America and Spain could benefit from messages like this; clear, concise and without unnecessary ornaments. It's sad and embarrassing how there's no information about what is going on in my country, my fellow venezuelan have walked (literally walked) their way through the whole continent from Venezuela to Chile and to the USA; many of them dying either in the cold mountains or the Darien jungle, there's no mention of that anywhere to be found. There's no mention of dog meat being sold on the streets or about how a cubanized and broken health system has hurt so many. My own mother died on February last year in a shack called "integral assistant center" with no equipment, qualified personnel or the most basic supplies; she had a heart attack after weeks of suffering what every test but a "PCR" showed was COVID. Before that she was surviving on a $6 a month pension after working all her life... There's millions there still living like that. Still, there's many people saying "but that's not real socialism"; thanks Dr Peterson for saying without a doubt that it is, without a doubt, socialism in all it's horror.
My wife is Venezuelan and i have been there a few times, its super sad what Chavismo has done to what should be the richest country in the world. The Venezuelan people are the nicest people i have ever met. Its such a beautiful land, i always tell people, if it was not so dangerous there i would recommend everyone to go there. The socialist utopia is a lie, there has never existed a successful socialist/commimunist state, especially without the brutal oppresion of its people. We stand with Venezuela and i thank Jordan for continuously speaking against Maduro
I sympathise with you, however the reala problems of Venzuela lie in being sanctioned by the US for eternity.
@@kevlaw8068 why are you ignoring the HUGE effect of the USA Sanctions?
@@moestietabarnak Also usa was one of the biggest buyers of Venezuelan oil. Ironically at the same Time that Chávez denounced the evil that Bush was.
What you people need is better propaganda. Just as the American elites muted their condemnation of Germany during the 1930s, and have never fully condemned the Casto regime, or leftish regimes elsewhere in Latin America, so the average American has never been exposed to a documentary of great power. BUT I fear that even if it were made, distribution would be limited.
Im Venezuelan and I can confirm the thing about the population losing weight, is worse in some cases, I migrated to Panama 6 year ago because my mother was starving due to the goverment expropiating the food factories all across the nation, I shit you not when I tell you my mom lost 25 pounds (12 kilos) in just 2 months.
Sorry to hear that! So good to know you and your family are relatively safe now. Try to keep well, my friend!
@@user-yc5um2pl5v However I would point out that a substantial majority of the population of the USA could do with losing 25lbs in two months.
hope things get better from you, the horrors of socialism and communism are still on going pushed by people who have never experienced the horrors first hand.
@@MrSuckeragi Sure the US imposing trade sanctions has no effect on a third world country with less than 10% of the US population and just one major export oil.
That's what happens when you put all your apples in one basket! Stupid is easy!!!@@kimobrien.
At my school in Germany I discuss the "8 measures of Communism" with pupils in 9th grade. As far as I know I am the only history teacher at my school who does that for my school is VERY left leaning and the history curriculum has been changed recently for the little ones in a way that discusses history (Egypt, ancient Greece and Rome) PURELY through the lense of powerstructures. So when I discuss the communist manifesto the pupils are always disgusted and say things like "I never knew that they said that the party is everything. I always thought the nazis were the only ones to say that." or "I didn't know that they wanted to abolish the family". It's WRITTEN in the communist manifesto. We just have to read it to know where it is heading...
Thank you for your bravery, you're clearly a man of integrity and spirit. Keep up your much-needed work and I hope nobody will put a stop to it.
@@user-yc5um2pl5v there are more than enough anti communist in Germany, trust me. There are just a few communist, a variety of right wing kinda communities and. The anarchists portrayed as communists(most likely in Hamburg and the antifa) Tho there are also some commies in key figure positions in this land
Hatte so gut wie nix über die Sovjets in Geschichte. Aber dafür ganz viel Hitler und immer das gleiche zeugs. von klasse 8-10. Wurde ziemlich schnell langweilig
@@sugandesenuds6663 Capitalism can easily justify itself in good times. Those times have ended. Now the justification of the profit and shareholder maximization becomes a problem. Imperalism remains the highest stage of capitalism as the European Union breaks apart and it becomes every nations boss class for themselves.
Oh because nobody wants to admit that nazism and socialism is the same thing; facism with a different flavor. One favor a "race above all" the other blatantly called for tiranny.
There was a popular joke in East Germany:
"Could the USA become communist?"
"In theory, but East Germany can only feed one superpower."
And people say Germans don't have a sense of humour 🙄
@@tomtom21194 well it's no laughing matter
@@The5ociopath It is, if you can't laugh at that you will really struggle. People that can laugh at "anything" will always cope much better in any situation that life throws at them.
Stalin used to joke that "dark humor is like food...not everyone gets it".
Food in East Germany was dull and depressing with little choice, like wartime rations, no one was having Starbucks and Pizza.
40 years ago, when schools taught American and World History, the emphasis was placed on Hitler's dictatorship and there was little focus on Stalin even though more people were murdered under Lenin/Stalin philosophy.
Not me.
@@johnnysalter7072 Mao
The problem is, you have so much pictures of german concentration camps and the deaths inside of them, but only a few from the russian gulags.
So what do you see in the first place?
More people were NOT murdered under Stalin. You are spreading shameful propaganda. German Nazis murdered 27 million people in the Soviet Union. The West with Jewish grandpa Solzhenitsyn accused Stalin of murdering two million people and that was never proven. You are spreading lies to pardon the crimes of your a german ancestors. As we all know, many German Na,,zis ran in the end of WW2 from Germany to America, and now their kids and grandkids are spreading their Russophobia disguised as "American patriotism".
@@bananajoe3669 yeah typhoid outbreaks and famine throughout the entire continent sucked. Funny how the only bona fide death camps all ended up on the soviet side of the iron curtain.
When I first heard the analogy, I thought it was out in left field, but the more I think about it, viewing any form of socialism as a religious cult seems completely appropriate. Both revolve entirely around the faith of the followers, and no amount of failed attempts or other evidence will serve to sway them. All non-believers must be at a minumum marginalized, but more often imprisoned or eliminated so as not to confuse the loyal with 'disinformation' or 'misinformation' (and only Big Brother himself can determine what constitutes either of those concepts).
This is about all intelectuals like Petersen are good for analogies, notions and emotional appeals against authoritarians inotherword the authors of books like themselves.
@@kimobrien. Did communism ever work?
@@Bolognabeef Capitalism creates us the industrial workers who will transform capitalism into socialism on the road to communism. Capitalism has to first exhaust all of,its possibilities. Capitalism began destroying itself with the first world war.
@@Bolognabeef Does capitalism work? Well if you like endless war and destruction of everything for the profits of a few bankers and bosses. Yes.
@@Bolognabeef The Stalinist surrendered the Soviet Union to capitalism without a fight.
I think I can give a simpler answer to the question. The two murderous regimes (Nazi Germany and Stalin's Russia) had one decisive thing in common: They were totalitarian. Totalitarian means essentially that individual liberty has been taken away from the citizen and he has to abide by the extreme rules of an ideology implemented. At that point, it doesn't really matter anymore what exactly that ideology is, because the citizens have become its slaves. This is the true (d)evil. A corollary is that we should always strive to support political movements that try to maximize individual freedoms without sliding into anarchy.
But the Nazis are hated more... because they Jews. It really is that simple. Communists targeted EVERYBODY!
Totalitarian is just a made up word where everything is a total of everything else. Intellectuals claimed that FDR's United States, NAZI Germany and Stalin's Soviet Union were on their way to being totalitarian regimes. It complete ignores the role the working class plays in history for simple explanations based upon a so called innate desire to control others and the supremacy of propaganda over truth.
Any planned economy can only function as a totalitarian system. If you have central planning, everyone must follow the master plan, no exceptions or it won't work. This means it doesn't matter if you call it communism, socialism, fascism, nazism, technocracy they all end up the same way if taken to a conclusion.
The Soviet workers despite the traitorous leadership of Stalin still defeated the Era of Fascism.
Your use of the word totalitarian explains nothing it just a label you attach for lack of intellectual freedom. Like Petersen you think it must be ideological because all parties Stalin, Hitler and Mao involved are educated people and the is no clear monetary gain.
Relationships can turn communist real quick. That moment when your girlfriend starts referring to everything she wants as things "we" want, while everything you want remains what "you" want.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Communist relationship, jeez man 😂
cringe
😂
@@quetailion6762 nope it’s true. And you’re just mad. It’s ok. Stay mad
"We should also make starvation illegal, this way we solve the problem!"
"Genius!"
- Some venezuelan politicians, probably
Class struggle is the road to socialism. Capitalism failures are what brings into focus its very nature as a system of exploitation. Truth is revolutionary and you can't hide the facts about capitalism. Money or Capital produces nothing and so investors demanding bigger pay days is what will bring the system down. You can't keep demanding more for doing less.
They actually did.
@@SethonanGaming All you do is play video games where you pretend to some great heroic warrior.
This is what Bill Gates and his fellow elites are advocating.
@@kimobrien. all you do is pretend you are going to save the world from evil capitalism.
It always amazes me how people don’t look at the hammer and sickle like they do the swastika. Both evil.
Truth is revolutionary and that is why the bolsheviks named their newspaper Pravda. It is Stalin who began a campaign of lies against Trotsky. Eventually it caught up with him and his followers. The same is now happening to the American Imperialists. They have been lying about themselves and their system of exploitation for about one hundred years at least. Markets are not free they require arbitration for the very reason the Imperialist say they exist limited resources. Investment does not produce profits labor does because the profit is nothing but the surplus value created by the worker and pocketed by the capitalist. These hedge fund managers on Wall St are nothing but the operators of a giant gambling casinos where capital shifts back and forth between those who own the most.
one killed millions more than the other, but yes absolutely evil
@@MrSuckeragi Capitalism is responsible for the deaths from two world wars, the Taiping rebellion, Imperialist colonialism and leaded gasoline.
@@MrSuckeragi correct, the hammer and sickle has killed tens of millions more. But both evil.
If we are really going that way I have to say that capitalism is even worse in that way and nobody talks about that.
"Do you know that Venezuela, when recently faced with state-induced hunger, made it illegal for physicians to list starvation as a cause of death?" WOW
I am from Poland, my family lived between nazzi GERMANY, and communists Russia. They are the same.
My four grandparents all fled the Soviet Union shortly after the revolution. I completely agree with you that communism always ends the same way -- in brutality.
In my opinion, the political system is not best thought of as a spectrum from left to right. Rather, it is better thought of as a circle. Once you get to the extreme left of communism or the extreme right of autocratic nationalism, they are both directly adjacent to each other. There is effectively no difference between a communist regime and an autocratic nationalist regime. The dogma that they use as a fig leaf to justify their brutality might be different, but the populace sent off to a gulag won't experience a difference if the guards are wearing a hammer and cycle versus a swastika.
I completely agree with you. Your articulation has actually help me.
Sadly a lot of idiot still believe it,
Your spectrum is very similar to that of Horseshoe Theory. You should look it up, it's pretty interesting.
Somebody's watched Peaky Blinders
@@chrisharder4102 The problem for professor Petersen is capitalism. The success of neoliberalism with its quest to maximise profits and shareholder value was not propelled forward by the collapse of world Stalinism. In fact just the opposite has occurred. George Bushes "New World Order" where the rule of law replaces the rule of the jungle has been smashed on the rocks of the crisis of 2008 and the defeat of NATO Imperialism in Afghanistan.
I believe that part of the reason Communism isn't viewed as badly as Naziism is that while people are told "100 million people died as a result of Communist policies", that's just a number to people.
For the Nazis on the other hand, everyone has seen pictures of the concentration camps, the rounding up of peoples for the trains to go to the gas chambers. People could visualize and it was more viseral than just a statistic.
Communism is viewed pretty badly by those who know history. Nazism is a bit more dramatic because of the genocide angle.
@@dannysullivan3951 The first Communist Revolution occurred in 1870 Paris the Paris Commune. The next in the most backward country in Europe 1917 Russia and came close to victory in German The next really important revoltion was the Cuban revolution of 1959.
@@kimobrien. China?
@@dannysullivan3951 Tito and Mao came from the Communist International that was set up in 1919. The 6th Congress in 1928 was the last to have the Revolutionary membership from the World War. Stalin would push though the Theory of Socialism in One Country penned by Bukharin. Fidel Castro came along and lead the 26 th of July movement Taking a path first pointed to by Marx and later Lenin. .
It was .stalin who say that fascism is by product capitalism.
Even today a lot of liberal and leftist still think fascism were created by the rich.
1980 - Two Soviets walking down an avenue in Moscow:
"Is this it? Have we really achieved full communism?"
"Oh, no, it's going to get a whole lot worse."
"walking down an avenue" - better change that to "standing in a breadline" (which even Moscow citizens actually did in 1980).
Great Ronald.
are we there yet, said the starved communism in line to the so called Utopia
If you know anything about Goa inquisition Should I Dian’s feel the same fo Christianity What abou Churchill called Indians inferior and starved to death 4 million Bengalis .Hidtory is written by victors so all the flaws of the west are ignored y Jordan Nothing new By the way I am neither a communist nor a Nazi
Love JP and His. Blessing and protection to all that he endeavors. Blessings to you and your family. Thank you for serving. Thank you for giving. Love ❤
JP is just another cold warrior who favors his capitalist ruling class. The British Imperialist are probably responsible for more deaths than any other small group in human history. Launch wars for the profits of their colonial corporations. You don't get to be an Empire the sun never sets on by voluntary trade.
A socialist would say "We'll MAKE the world a better place. We'll MAKE things fair, by force if necessary (and preferably)."
A libertarian would day "I'll LET the world be a better place, and I'll help where I can."
Actually when the February revolution occurred many capitalist and Czarist officials wanted ro be taken into protective custody by Socialist and union leaders.
The libertarian require a state power to enforce his property rights over others. The libertarian claims his right to own is God given.
we treat the two differently because one was our ally in WW2 and one was our enemy. We overlooked the crimes and sins of our allies out of practical necessity.
And that whitewashing has helped them subvert & infiltrate the west so successfully.
When that ideology nosedived the soyviet union into the ground, it needed a new host.
Check out what Yuri Besmenov had to say.
Yeah, but we were in a cold war with our WW2 ally for decades after WW2, were in an almost constant state of global nuclear annihilation, and the evils of that ideology still didn't stick, and the "red scare" is looked at as American overreaction.
The graphic pictures of the concentration camps.
@@johnschuh8616 the point why you dont see starved and dying people in gulags is not there are none... the point is there are not thousends of foreign soldiers walking through them taking pictures!
the germans, like the russians, avoided to advertise what was happening in their camps.
When overlooking the crimes of ones ancestors, overlooking the crimes of ones ally is logically the next step.
I love when people just give him a chance to think without saying anything. He is really smart and cares for our country more than most Americans
He is canadian though, but i get your point :)
True!!!!
I know he is I meant he cares for the free world
@@Respect_Yourself.. Petersen is just another ruling class educated "smart". Put him with other "smarts" Democrats, Republican, and CEO's and you can't tell the difference.
I would like to see him being confronted by people other than weak sycophants. I think he would be put in his place.
This is what should be taught at home and school.
I agree. We need to awaken our youth who appear to prefer socialism.
High school curriculum with an opposing view of socialism seems to have been dropped after the 1980s from what I have gathered. Maybe it was considered unnecessary after the fall of the Soviets, and we didn't want to offend our now cheap labor, large customer base friend China.
Many quote "1984", and act like they know it, but I wonder how many have actually read it, and realized it was inspired by actual events chiefly under Stalin, and not a pure work of fiction. I would like to think the younger generations would be terrified of losing their liberties after reading, especially after seeing what is happening around them. Warnings from communist refugees just bounce off them. They have nothing to identify with.
"Lord of the Flies" by William Golding was about the Weimar Republic, a constitutional federal republic like the United States that fell to the Nazis (socialists). I think the message was Americans don't think it couldn't happen to you.
"Animal Farm" is a symbolic story of the fall of Czarist Russia, the Bolshevik Revolution, and Stalin's regime where the animals ended in as bad a situation as what they fought against. Youth are so far from the events in time someone is needed to explain it.
Born in 1903, Orwell saw an increasing rise of socialist States, and tyranny. While he wrote 1984 North Korea fell. China fell 114 days after publication. He saw the coming of the Cold War. A situation that might be reemerging today. Again making it relevant to our youth.
I didn't mean to bore. I guess I rambled on.
That’s what the left wants in America’s colleges and universities and the professors in America orange fear of these kids they’re actually in fear of these kids
Look what happened to Venezuela this is what the west looks up to
Have they ever taught anything different??? Another comment that is so wildly off track from reality it's a bit scary.
@@MichaelSHartman lol wonder where the kids get this crazy idea from. Oh the whole education system is a socialist system. :D lmao. Why do you think that is, Mike?
Wow, now i finally understand why the right and left are placed as opposing ideas. long time it has been uncomparable for me ideologywise. thanks for clarifying in a side sentence!
If you are referring the the comment on hierarchies, in practice there is no difference, because both National Socialism and Communism were run by the hierarchy of “The Party”.
@@peterwebb8732 Yes, but the nazis are not right wing. They are right wing socially but left wing economically
@@antikokalis How was the NSDP leftwing economically when one of their pillars is the belief in free enterprise? Communists don't even believe in private property. Not trying to lambaste here. Genuinely asking for an example.
@@thefrankiepalmeri Last time i checked, the nazis wanted the business world to obey state's orders in regards to what would be produced. They definitely weren't as far gone to the left as the bolsheviks, but they definitely hated capitalism. Hating Jews and loving capitalism are very opposite ideas ;)
You can say that the bolsheviks' kulaks were nazis' Jews. The same kind of hatred for the rich
@@peterwebb8732 Is National socialism really right wing though
As a person who live's in Saudi Arabia, i would say this was very educational. Thank you Mr Peterson keep talking about communism and fascism, because i want to know more about it. Although i know it but i want to hear it from your perspective point of view. 💖
I hear the religious police give free haircuts. Any truth to that? Look out you window if you want to know what fascism is.
That thing about it being illegal to name starvation as the cause of death in Venezuela reminds me of the reverse, naming every death that you can get away with as a death caused by "the varus" a little while ago. It's the same bull pie
'The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.'
'And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed-if all records told the same tale-then the lie passed into history and became truth.'
*-Goerge Orwell.*
Doctors be like "how much are they going to pay per covid death??"
Our methods are so much more refined.
Just pay everyone in the chain (emts, hospitals, coroners, undertakers) extra because handling "the walrus" is so hard and you automatically get the result you want.
Well the US is responsible for crisis in Venesuela by funding protesters and imposing sanctions because they want them to not export oil. Same thing for Ru and UA.
@@cas1652 The capitalist will pay for telling and believing their own lies. The truth has the ability to break out of all hidden safes. The essential truth about the American Imperialists and the exploitation of the working class by do nothing investors is on full display.
People forget that Nazis and communists were on the same side until Hitler decided that Stalin was a threat.
Can you expand on that??? Very interesting and havent heard that before.
@@Gorborothh seriously! Look it up.
@@Gorborothh Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact is the name of the treaty.
@@AdamantLightLP thank you, Josh. I will look into this.
@@Gorborothh The Communist movemnet split in 1928 with Trotsky leading the left opposition. It was Stalin who became the murderer of Lenin's party.
"Only people who didn't come from tiktok are worthy of liking this.
Only non-bots are worthy of liking my comment
If someone from a place of opposition came, saw, and willingly considered with an open mind and critical thought, I would not bar them.
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Nah I'm an 80s baby. They taught us how to hide under our desk because of the hammer and sickle. They are both entirely and equally awful, and need to go away asap.
I think it is due to the large difference between the sheer number of movies that have been made about the atrocities committed by the Nazis vs the ones committed by the communists.
It’s because, thanks to Hugo Boss the Nazis we’re better dressed
Wow proper communism. So people still wish to go down that road like it's never been tried. You know this time will be different. Unbelievable
My great uncle was both, first nzi, then communist. Both was equally equally hard to handle for him. No decider or soldier, he was a shoemaker in both systems.
East Germany?
One is a political party, the other is an ideology.
This applied to a lot of Europeans especially in German areas. Most working class and lower middle class people leaned to the left, or toward socialism or communism. Then the Nazi party came to power and that seemed like the answer. Then everything went to hell and it looked like the communists were the only ones fighting the Nazis. After the war the communists got a lot of support because of this.
“ An ignorance of history so appalling that any political statement given on their behalf should be followed by paroxysms of embarrassment “ - well said by the good doctor
That is very true - the reason people fail to find comparison between nazis and soviets is because nazi ideology is CLEAR whereas communism isn't. So it is clear who nazis going to kill and why. soviet ideology at first it may seem harmless, but precisely because it isn't clear where the lines are, in reality it means that everyone who in some degree is slightly above average is potential threat and therefore could become victim. Just think about it - statistically 50% will always be above average is some way and as soon as they dealt with, the person who was just below average now takes their place. So automatically the list of targets for repression in soviet rule is unlimited and they went after people who are genuinely good for society, anyone educated, anyone successful, any business or farm owner were at risk and many got killed... reason? Simple - as long as somebody could be jealous of you achievements you going to gulag or worse. Have nicer shoes - gulag, more beautiful wife - gulag, cleaner house - gulag, your lawn is greener - not allowed, gulag. And to be average is very low bar, because what people don't realise is that somebody always going to be at the bottom, junk of the society going to be jealous of even basic things, even worse - it was enough just being accused to get in trouble, it is not like there were genuine investigation or fact finding. No it was enough that your alcoholic neighbour has made a statement that in private you oppose stalin and that is all it takes to get in trouble. Maybe not gulag right away, but be sure if there is a purge or if they looking to fill quotas for gulag then you will be the one on the list to visit. So this caused race to the bottom where the only way to be safe from gulag is not to stick out as much as possible, have nothing, owning nothing and have no goals in life... which is very destructive for any society.
And by the way we all forget mao, I am partially guilty of this was well... most people know how horrible hitler was, many (not enough) now accept that stalin was horrible, still very few realise that he was more horrible than hitler (morally comparable, but statistically much worse)... yet almost no one even think about mao, despite both hitler and stalin looking like armatures when it comes to killing. And we have china - country where mao is still actively glorified, ruzzia where soviet victory flags still fly high and we do business with them, how is that even possible?! This is because people do not see stalin and mao in same light, therefore they don't find it disgusting to have any relation with these countries.
And I get it after 1990 soviet union collapsed, china got more open and I guess it was "experiment", showing people that free market and democracy is at least alternative and trying to convince them this is better than authoritarian regimes by allowing them to integrate into western society. But this project has well and truly failed. As soon as putka started glorifying ruzzian empire and soviet union, as soon as whinie pooh started promoting communism again they should have been barred from any relation with west. Those ideologies and regimes should not be acceptable, same as we do no accept nazis, or same if the Germany would start saying now that they going to get rid of the jews... I think nobody would accept keeping relations with the, because we know where it leads, yet we quite happy to work together with communists despite them being much worse.
Nice explained.
@@thomasvittoria2937 No he ii is just another bourgeois simpleton speaking years later. It explains nothing about origins of Hitler or Stalin or Mao or why 20th Century took the course it did.
My biggest problem with the idea of the utopia/communist regime is expecting everyone to be the same, one of the biggest parts of Communist doctrine is equality of outcome, aka equity. To expect this is impossible, asking a tall person who may require more food and water, to eat and drink less is evil, to expect everyone to have the same interests is impossible, for everyone to be paid the same leads to apathy at the job. Expecting equality of outcome is one of the most evil things you can ask for, because at the core of Equality of Outcome, I recall a particular character from the video game Bioshock 2.
Her name was Sophia Lamb, she is the primary antagonist of the video game, a psychologist hired by Andrew Ryan (Bioshock 1's initial antagonist) to help the people of the underwater city of Rapture cope with not being able to see the sun. Overtime, she became a communist (listen to her speeches) and became a cult of personality, with her ultimate goal of creating the world's first Utopian, by using her daughter as the experiment. She wanted her daughter to not be able to think for herself, at all, not even to breath, because to think, means you're thinking, for yourself. She wanted to abolish the "Self". Now think about Equity, and Communism, the idea of having to share everything equally, means you have to give up any kind of selfish thought. Need more water? Sorry, you're only allowed a certain amount per day! Gotta share that water, can't be "SELFISH!". Don't feel like eating that plate of food? Sorry! You can't share that to someone you love! You must eat it! because if you give your food to someone else than that means THEY were selfish!
Notice how stupid that sounds? Asking people, to give up any kind of selfish thoughts, is impossible. Nature at its very core, is selfish. What do I mean by that? I don't mean selfish in the negative connotation. Normally we think of the definition of selfish as this, (of a person, action, or motive) lacking consideration for others; concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure. However, that's not the only definition. Selfishness can simply mean, thinking for one's self, needing to breath, needing to drink, needing to eat, needing to survive. Look at every animal on earth, predator and herbivore alike, they all have to do that, eat, breath, drink, survive. They don't care who's bigger, smaller, faster, or slower, all they care about is survival. There is no equality in the animal kingdom, some animals starve to death because they were unlucky at finding food, some animals are smart enough to find a plentiful source for life, some animals adapted to eat dead animals (Vultures), while some animals are omnivores. They all think for themselves in different ways. So to ask Humanity, to stop thinking for themselves, goes against nature, it goes against what makes us human, it's pure and simply, EVIL!
That, is at the core of Communism, to abolish the self, and the only way to do that? Is to die. This is why so many communist regimes end up mass murdering hundreds of millions of people, because those people resisted, they thought for themselves, they thought differently, regardless of race, sex, or orientation. Nazi's hated the jews, Communism hated anybody that was different. Anyone who thought for THEMSELVES! And resisted sharing anything they have for the common good, for the utopia, for the mother land.
And this is why Capitalism, for all its faults, made America so great. It allowed people to chase their passions, and via supply/demand, could make a living from it. It allowed people to capitalize on selfish desires without being judged. It allowed people to advance technology to anyone willing to invest! It allowed people not to fear sharing food to everyone around them, especially to those who didn't work for it, out of guilt or force. It allowed people to think for themselves for what's best for their own persons. Ironically, it allowed people to share, voluntarily, out of their own desire to help rise people up to their potential. Capitalism works with nature.
If you actually take some time to study it you will find we never had free market capitalism. After the great depression, the New Deal brought about highly regulated economy (many called it socialist) and even neoliberalism was full of protectionism for big business, shady trade agreements and centralized monetary policy to influence the market. Moreover, after 2008 neoliberalism crashed and the economy was fundamentally nationalized, it cannot function anymore without constant state stimulus. Capitalism working like nature is a pseudo-religious statement, very convenient to make anyone accept the status quo. After all, if things go bad, it's just a natural force, the invisible hand. Well It's not how things work.
"Blah blah blah, listen to me talk about this video game I play, communism bad b/c according to my understanding of it individuality isn't allowed whatsoever, conclusion: capitalism good." *drools onto shirt.
"Oh, and in my imaginary capitalist utopia, people who work are following their passion, and aren't just trying to earn a paycheck to feed themselves and afford shelter."
@@jake8855 "communism will work this time!!!!!!"
@@dojadog4223 The more free the market, the better
What has emerged now is the WEF lobbying for a new kind of communism crossed with fascism, what could go wrong? 😂
At home, I am a communist dictator. I get to be the communist dictator because as a functioning capitalist, I own that domain, and from each according to his ability means I contribute more than others. But I don't want my children to remain dependent, so I train their abilities and demand contribution, towards the ends of forming them into independently functioning capitalists ready to employ their abilities.
It's important to eventually be oppressive enough that they want to move out of communism and grow to reach their own capitalist independence.
But it also works the same with ANIMALS too. I mean we both share and then: "Go ahead". You eat or being eaten. That's how capitalism works. Don't saying communism is the best. But still it Does not have slaves (yes, sometimes people own people in capitalism: millions according to Peterson and he's not the only one saying that), less crimes, less poor etc.
@@knightslinger1183 Capitalism produces ruling classes divided by nation states but a working class that has no nation. The ruling class measures everything in profits made by industrial production for itself. It goes into crisis when ever the markets become full of production that can not be sold for a profit.
Stalin's atrocities were not captured on film. Hitlers were. BIG difference for we humans as visual creatures.
Stalin died in 1953. Since then the whole Stalinist movemnet has collapsed yet Stalin aphobes like Petersen are still fighting the cold war. Petersen is an idiot who thinks his own ruling class has gone communist.
Often when people blame the hierarchy for the poor conditions of someone else, what they actually want is a new hierarchy where the poor are at the top and that this will fix things.
No all you have done is replace the top of the hierarchy from a small person to large group of people, aka the tyranny of the majority. The hierarchy is still in place, but for some reason the poor will make better decisions.
Which ignores what the hierarchy was based on in the first place - competence. People who understood things more clearly will rise, and those people are far better at being in power, because they understand more things more clearly.
Of course we should have empathy for the poor and try to help them, which the capitalist countries are very good at, not perfect but very good. Not so much the non capitalist countries, if they do have welfare its nothing compared to the capitalist countries welfare that can house and feed and keep someone in relative comfort. In the non capitalist countries welfare is next to nothing, maybe its around a 2 slices of bread a day per person. You cant compare them.
That's one of the main issues I see with the communist manifesto in general. Supposedly, when the poor majority take over, they become righteous and virtuous people who will definitely not try to impose tyrannical rule over the people that were oppressing them and somehow, because they are poor and were oppressed, they will be able to make better decisions.
I don't see Hunter Biden as a competent businessman. The hierarchy is largely based on competency but the top is also filled with psychopaths and cheats or greedy people that would sell their own mother to make a dollar. Attaining power isn't just based on competence but it's also acquired through Machiavellian actions and brutality. Watch the heirs of an estate fight over the estate. The ones that take a larger share often use brute force. They use blackmail, extortion, psychological manipulation. Stalin wasn't bright. He was a bank robber. He used brutality and murder to attain and hold his power. That could be considered a type of competency, I guess, but what I'm trying to say is that often the ones with the power and money are the least righteous of us all.
Daniel...
in practice, the hierarchy at the head of Socialist states is never an entire class - despite the claims of Socialist propaganda. It is always the leaders of the “Party”, and they are never “poor” .
One oligarchy replaces another.... and this is one of the reasons why Socialism and National Socialism (Nazism) are fundamentally the same, differing only in slogans and symbols.
The hierarchy of politics is lead in America by a real competent man right now...
Bro today's hierarchies is not based always on competence, sometimes is just inheritance (privilege), sometimes the rulers are Machiavellian and tyrannical, you know, is not always about being fit for the ruler job
Anyone wanting to be involved in rulership over another is disgusting.
By that statement: It would mean that human history and human nature is disgusting. Animals idem dito.
@@smileypeterson8463 human history is not the history of domination, though that is a part of it. There's plenty more to history and humanity than domination.
slavery?
Does that include companies/corporations that buy up influence over politicians and build monopolies and exercise rulership over people that way.
@@jake8855 Better than dictators who steal people's money and put them in the gulag without doing anything for the advancement of society. Capitalism isn't perfect, but switching to communism is idiotic. Capitalism is the reason why you can type stupid shit on the internet. I say we copy the Scandinavian nations, capitalist economy with a few socialist policies here and there
Any government needs to be limited on its power over people because power cannot be consolidated in any one small group. It always ends up poorly.
It’s not that complicated. The National Socialists exterminated based on ethnicity, Communists exterminate based on class.
great clip ill share this a bunch thank you
As a german it really hurts me to see my Homecountry slowly become a shithole.... again
Only Nationalism can save Germany again.
@@occidentadvocate.9759 too much nationalism will leave u in ruines again.
@@occidentadvocate.9759 just inhale some Carbon Monxide
These two branches of the tree of syndicalism had one thing that separated them:
The Nazis focused their genocide towards one specfic enemy: The Jews
The Communists FOCUS their genocide towards one specific enemy: Humanity itself.
Communism is a good idea. See how well things are going in Russia.
Oh. Not that communism.
Communism is a good idea. See how well things are going in China.
Oh. Not that communism.
Communism is a good idea. See how well things are going in Venezuela.
Oh. Not that communism.
No they are all the same.
china looks pretty good to me. 800m plus ppl out of poverty and extremely high, unprecedented growth rates for the last 40 years. now the biggest economy in the world. look at Vietnam as well
I have a nice Jordan Peterson tea cozy. It's my favorite possession.
What is the point of debating whether cancer is worse than a car crash. They are both terrible.
Because both can be avoided in many cases, and knowing how is important, because both will sneak up on you?
It's important to understand the differences, most people have no clue at all. Ask an American what communism is, 99% will answer wrong.
A Polish mathematics professor recalls (he was on USSR territory during the German and Soviet invasion of Poland in September 1939) a conversation with a Red Army officer who was a scientist in civilian life. This Russian said: "I'm intrigued by a certain fact. I was liberating Western Ukraine and Western Belarus. Then the Baltic countries and Bessarabia. I warred in many countries during the National War. Wherever we entered, bread could be bought as much as anyone wanted. But after a few weeks it... disappeared. I don't understand this! I studied political economy, I know dialectical and historical materialism quite well, and I can't understand this fact! Did this Russian Ivan eat so much bread?". Well...
If you force someone to give up their land in the name of the common good, how is that different from forcing someone to give up their land for the nation?
for the nation?
@Dr.Peterson
good day Mr. Peterson ,
I have many friends and acquaintances who really want to listen to your lectures, but many people are not as familiar with the English language as others. Is there an option to also include German subtitles?
First of all, I don't think any big figure like Dr. Jordan Peterson would ever respond to millions of comments on thousands of CZcams videos, that's just impossible. I think you can use AI to translate a youtube video
There are a few possibilities:
NAZI symbols were seen only for a few years, and during this time they were painted on the sides of military vehicles that were killing friends and family and destroying local towns and cities.
Communist symbols lasted 70+ years, and for most of that time they were not painted on the sides of military vehicles that were killing friends and family, some of the time they were fighting on our side, a lot of the time they were not actively/directly threatening.
The especially unpleasant aspects of NAZIsm were unveiled by friendly soldiers liberating camps and documenting what they saw in photos and film.
Communist atrocities were typically not unveiled by Allied soldiers with cameras.
NAZIsm was closer to Europe and occurred in places that were essentially 'here'. Communism happened more distantly, Russians were always on the edge anyway, the Chinese are positively different.
On an individual level, it may also be that while both ideologies had 'the undesirables' that they would happily kill/dispose of (non-Aryans or those who were at all wealthy) a lot of modern people might think they'd be more likely to be judged undesirable under NAZIsm than Communism (though they are unlikely correct about this, given the demonstrated more murderous character of Communism).
Here's one for you- the Nazis attacked other nations, the Communist killed their own.
@@josephtravers777 That's a good point. It's perhaps easier to condem evil when you see someone inflict it onto others. Because then the evil doer doesn't recieve the concequences of their actions. And this is the root of the Nazi idea that some ethnic are better than others and can be in the club and others are sub human and dirty and therefore should be genocided. It is obvious and plain to see that that is evil. But if we accept that communist ideas are fundamentally destructive, it is still harder to identify and condem the evil within the ideas. Because it isn't inherently emperial. Communism concerns how a country should govern itself, and from the outside, who are we to come and impose our ideas and say that the communist ways are wrong. However, the communist ideas do lead to famine and corruption propoganda and state enforced upholding of the lie, like how Peterson mentions it is illegal to diagnose the cause of death to be starvation in Venezuela. And imposing these evil, backwards communist ideas is in fact just as evil as racist ideas such as the nazi ideas, because damage is still being done to entire nations. Millions of people died because of the egotistical utopic ideals of communist ideologues, but it's harder to explicitly condem when the countries do it to themselves and not other countries. That I believe is in part why it's far easier to define when the right (Nazis for example) go too far. That being when they make claims of racial superiority and might making right. Whereas, the left (communist, marxist socialist) ideas are much harder to stamp out because they are far harder to define. Whispy like a gas, not a concrete solid like the Nazi ideas and therefore much harder to contain label and expell once and for all. That is why ideas of equality of outcome and critical theory are tolerated and experimented with when they are fundamentally a twisting of Marxist and postmodernist ideas.
@@atheosmachina Yes, I'm surprised the biological component is not recognized, after much exposure quite recently. All disciplines acknowledge the need for moderation for healthy outcome. Any extreme is bad.
@@josephtravers777 The Russians weren't especially pleasant to the Poles, Hungarians, Czechs... etc. The Chinese were not especially nice to the Tibetans (and that's considering China as monolithic, I have no idea whether communist China was viewed as a foreign force within the territory we call China).
I imagine your suggestion comes from the fact that Russians and Chinese are a bit less familiar to us than the Germans/Italians (While we know Germany definitely invaded France.... How do we view Ukraine? Was the systemic starving of Ukrainians an internal matter or Russian aggression against a neighbour)
@@josephtravers777 .... The Soviet Communists did indeed invade others. Ask the Finns and the Poles, for a start.
Ask the Ukrainians who had 4-6 million people starve to death because the Russian Communist Party took their food at gunpoint (and shot anyone caught hiding food , even just a few cupsful of grain)
Ask the Africans , Asians and Central/South Americans in the multitude of countries in which Communists fomented bloody revolution.
The doctrine of Communism (or International Socialism) going right back to Marx himself, has always been that Socialism will take over the world, and the mechanism will be violent Revolution.
watching this broadcast make one feel it was in the last century. The people actually listened and respected each others views, something we need to get back to
I don't think it's a mystery why people are more repulsed by Nazism than Communism.
The academics and intellectuals who conveyed history to us were quite happy to talk about the evils of Nazism, but were sympathetic towards Communism.
So many of them are, because so many of them want to go down in history as the one who made it work and brought about utopia...
Communism base lies in the working class NOT the bourgeois intellectuals. Afterall Communism is a movemnet
The immediate aim of the Communists is the same as that of all other proletarian parties: formation of the proletariat into a class, overthrow of the bourgeois supremacy, conquest of political power by the proletariat.
The theoretical conclusions of the Communists are in no way based on ideas or principles that have been invented, or discovered, by this or that would-be universal reformer.
They merely express, in general terms, actual relations springing from an existing class struggle, from a historical movement going on under our very eyes. The abolition of existing property relations is not at all a distinctive feature of communism.
4:36 they mean the fairy tale version as defined (more like advertised) in books, "a class-less society" but everyone who lived under it knows that this was never applicable in real life, Solzhenitsyn and others wrote how it real was to live under it!
Solzhenitsyn was born after the revolution. He was six years old when Lenin died and ten when Trotsky was exiled.
@@kimobrien. That's irrelevant. He lived through both worlds. He was on the side of the system, ignorant of the evil he was helping perpretate. Then he was arrested, and he witnessed the hell he once defended. You should find a few nazis and go have a chat, they are way more similar to you than you would ever imagine.
@@freedomextremist7215 The NAZI's never won any kind of national election. All they ever amounted to was a bunch of thugs working hand and glove with the employers. The Bolsheviks won the majority first in the petrograd Soviet and then the All Russian Soviet. I don't care what Solzhenitsyn says or concludes. He came here and he concluded that the FBI was nothing more than a smarter KGB. But you and Petersen won't quote him on that though will you because its spoils you little fantasy dreams of an every loving capitalist class defending freedom.
Such a great analysis. The world really was in desperate need for someone wich such rich documentation on social behaviour throught the history.
This is guy who thought cryptocurrency was a good idea.
@@kimobrien. In theory, everything sounds good. In practical analysis, it doesent necesarrily. Maybe crypto will remain a stock type asset, just like the stock market. The reason behind it doesen`t matter if it fails. Businesses that are listed in stock market are still a type of investment and they are still considered a way of making money, and the ideea of decentalising the gouvernment from printing money out of thin air is a good ideea and helping people make more money, considering you have more control over public finances to be spent well and more independence from the state for the individual, but things aren`t that simple in real life.
He forgot to mention that Cuba has been literarily fucked in the ass by US sanctions for years and the general population still has an overwhelming support for their government hmmm..
@@globalnaturalexperiences It lasts only so long as people believe in it as a fetish since nothing of real value is behind it. Discovering special numbers may be interesting and it certainly is costly but the have no use value like the gold and silver in jewelry or circulating coins in the past. Capitalism always moves in the direction of more not less centralizations and combinations. The number of different currencies is fewer than ever. States have already stepped in to prevent "crypto fraud" much like bank regulation its a futile effort to save capitalism from itself. . .
I spoke to a mum from Slovakia recently who said they have "name days" because if you wanted to give your child a particular name, you had to wait until the day those names were allowed. I asked what would happen if you named your child a different name anyway. She said "You would be imprisoned. It used to be a communist country."
Problem with real communism -argument is that even non-perfect communism should bring somewhat positive outcome. It doesn't... So, even if there is theoretical possibility of good communistic society, it goes so easily wrong that therefore it shouldn't be considered because it's too risky. Capitalism is way less risky and somewhat works even with bad leaders..
They never work because humans are human, the leaders somehow have to lack any greed and ambition, but also be highly proficent at their jobs with a sense of responsibility(most of which is good in any political system). Similarly, the people have to be content, hard working and lack ambition. Also you need to have no criminals.
That is correct humans are human and the nature of man is to labor in common to create a life and culture. Capitalism is merely a stage in history. It created the forces which it can not control. The world market and the men who will overthrow it the modern proletariat.
Did Mr Peterson or anyone else do a detailed comparison of national socialism vs international socialism? Is there a video, article or a book I can read on it?
If you like, TIK history did some one this topic. He's a pro-Mises biasa, but he's a totally history genious for the policies of Nazi-Germany and the eastern front.
Framcois DE Callieres 1716 Quote " An ancient philosopher once said that friendship between man is nothing but a commerce in which each seeks his own interest. The same is true or even truerof the liaisons and treaties which bind one sovereign to another, for there is no durable treaty which is not founded on reciprocal advantage, and indeed a treaty which does not satisfy this condition is no treaty all, and is apt to contain the seeds of its own dissolution "
Haven’t heard any polar discussions that juxtapose Kerala with other Indian states. From what I understand Keralans have better health, pay, education and 100% literacy unlike other states… and it’s communist.
Just a centrist observer here.
Bit late to the party but I would say, both ideologues seek a version of Utopia but the pathway for both led instead to hell, which means their people pay the ultimate price. In that sense both systems have commonality.
@Trinity, Rockschool, RGT quote 'Marx's utopianism lay in the aim of abolishing the distinction between state and civil society, and in the harmony he assumed would emerge as a result of that change'. Lovell, Marx's Utopian legacy, 2010.
Further quote 'But a utopian, and a fierce one, Marx certainly was. A hallmark of every utopia is a militant desire to put an end to history, to freeze mankind in a static state, to put an end to diversity and man's free will, and to order everyone's life in accordance with the utopian's totalitarian plan. Many early communists and socialists set forth their fixed utopias in great and absurd detail, determining the size of everyone's living quarters, the food they would eat, etc'. An Austrian Perspective on the History of Economic Thought, Rothbard, (1995)
Have your eyes opened, read...
@Trinity, Rockschool, RGT Never said he did (read again-Lovell). The above are quotes on Marx not directly by Marx. Guess you don't know how to read...
@@Vragga Both Communism and Fascism are movements. One Communism is the movement of the working class in struggle with the capitalist class. The other fascism is made out the reactionary elements being tossed aside as a vomit expelled by the crisis of a capitalism in decline.
Hey.
Why put the flag of the federal republic of germany in the thumbnail?
There is a connection. The Germans obviously sympathize too much with socialism.
I mean it could also be the eastern german flag without the symbol.
Staline applied Lenine's programme and Lenine was inspired by Robespierre and Saint-Juste : "no liberty for the ennemies of the liberty". And IT began in the Vendée...
The first paleo totalitarian state.
The Taxation Center is in Sudbury, because of Ed Broadbent NDP in 80's. Corner of Lasalle & Notre Dame .
The hammer and sickle is WORSE than the swastika.
Well if you want to be treated like non human sure your choice.
@@durema9720
You think Communism is a walk in the park? It murdered 100 million people in the 20th century - way worse than Hitler.
definitely not. In 1960-1980 especially.
Thanks God for capitalism.Very human and no suffering
Two guys and Jordan B. Peterson were granted a wish from an angel. First guy wanted to be the strongest man on earth, and he did. The second wanted to be the fastest, and he did. The last man, Jordan B. Peterson, wanted to be the smartest. And he became a woman.
When I was little boy in the early '60s I was told that Fascism/Nazism and Communism were _not_ polar opposites on a linear spectrum but as totalitarian ideologies, movements, and regimes they were on a spectrum that was a circle and as they got more and more extreme from the top of the circle to the right and to the left at the bottom of the circle they were practically touching each other. Totalitarianism of the extreme right or the extreme left practically touch each other at the circle's base.
what you're trying to say is that communism, fscism, nazism and socialism all have one thing in common: Totalitarianism and bloody catastrophe hidden underneath the surface
Thats why I am going to say from now on ... "that is not proper capitalism"
Good luck on creating a proper capitalism. LOL.
@@kimobrien. Sorry? In what world are we living again? Is it capitalism or Ancient Rome...
@@spencer6288 Ancient Rome is in the past. Now that capitalism is in crisis it has become time to replace it.
The word salad the host used detracted from this at points but Jordan Peterson was on form nonetheless.
One guy filmed it all. The other guy told everybody to shut up. Looking back there is a lot more easily accessible evidence for the first guy.
How about this for a 'communist policy': 'And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.' (Acts of the Apostles, Chapter 4, Verse 32.)
I appreciate interviewers that don’t nod their head whenever the interviewee looks at them. It is a sign of intelligence. So many media personalities are prone to nodding .
I would say it's just being agreeable
Genuine and pure communism has been implemented once successfully to my knowledge .. it was a single small village in Israel and it lasted about a generation an a half before it collapsed on itself .. no I don't believe we need to try this again and again and again and again and again
every war for the last ten thousand years has been for capitalist profit seeking reasons, the death toll of capitalism is now in the billions.
all of the deaths under communism were due to capitalist sabotage.
conclusion:
death toll of capitalism 2 billion+
death toll of communism ZERO.
Definitely need the data to back up the causality in the relationship being stated. Correlation is not causation
Dr. JP. You take on social issues from depth that really makes me think critically. Inviting not agreement necessarily, rather inviting deeper investigation. Be patient.
It's spelled "policies". Love you JP
Holy shit, I thought no one would see that. Thank you.
The difference in attitude towards Nazism vs Communism dates back to 1939. When WW2 began the view of Hitler was mainly positive, he was even Time Magazine's Man of the Year in 1938. Then it became necessary to portray him as an ogre and turn the people against Germany to prosecute the war and at the same time, to promote Stalin and Russia as heroes because they were our allies. Someone asked Churchill how he could suck up to Stalin after being an anti Communist all his life and replied, I would make an alliance with the devil himself to beat Hitler.
Both threads, anti Nazi and pro Communism have gone on in the media and academia ever since. It's ironic that only since the collapse of the Soviet Union and liberalization of Red China have their monstrous crimes against humanity become public knowledge.
what do u mean 'liberilization' of red china? China was liberated in 1949 ans is still on a path of socialist construction
For the most nazism was painted very negative when it was clear how nazis officially treated humanity, with murdering people with disabilities, how they tortured prisoners of war and political opponents, how they ran their concentration camps and tried to murder Jews, gypsies and others. Yes communists did this too but it was not really implemented in their official policy, the result however was just as bad. Also you have the ultimate goals of communism which is "share the wealth" and everyone should be the same, have the same status etc. Whilst nazism had the mantra "the Aryans are superior". So very different but a huge paradox that the result of communism is actually much worse than the total damage of the nazis.
@@truxton1000 No he is correct Henry Ford wrote the "International Jew" republished by Hitler and Joe Kennedy told FDR you could do business with Hitler. Chamberlin came back and said," We have peace in our time. Hitler wanted to create for Germany what the United States did in America. Stalin betrayed the revolution. He murdered thousands of loyal communist in the Soviet Union and Spain. Lenin began the fight against Stalin and Trotsky continued it.
@@truxton1000 Communism's official policy is that the working class and peasants are good, aristocracy and the bourgeoisie are bad and ought to be exterminated. Mass extermination was carried out in Russia, China, Cambodia . There are videos of Bernie Sanders campaign team talking about setting up Gulags and concentration camps for their political enemies. This is pretty much standard practice for radical leftists.
@@truxton1000 But class warfare and the extermination of the bourgeoisie was the official policy of the communist party. This takes in a bigger percentage of the population than Hitler's racism. Depending how you define it, practically anybody can be a class enemy. There was an old joke in the Soviet Union about 3 workers in a factory, one was always late, he was arrested as a saboteur. Another was always early, he was arrested as a spy. Another was always on time, he was arrested as a black market trader, he had a German alarm clock.
The problem is that various policies can be either good or bad, but they may be united under a specific banner. It's really necessary to examine specific policies, and either agree or disagree with them. To just claim everything was bad because it was under a specific banner is really avoiding a discussion, not having one. Remember that many policies we consider quite normal today were first proposed by socialists. Universal medicare, women's suffrage, public education, public transit, unemployment insurance, the right for workers to organize, etc. Which of those policies would you like to roll back? Its also worthwhile to ask yourself which policies of Stalin were specifically socialist. Stalin did a lot of things, among them purging the Communist Party of any opposition, putting a lot of Communist Party leaders into prison, and having Leon Trotsky assassinated. Were any of those things "socialist" or "communist"?
Animal Farm is one of the greatest pieces of literature for a reason.
There are many countries using a hybrid, and they are all more successful than any country bound to just one ideology. FDR was the first, but he wasn't the last, and many have gone further. From Australia to Norway, happier societies, less wealth inequality, and not talked about enough. Jordan refused to debate the notorious economics professor, and socialist Richard Wolff after openly challenging any socialist to debate him. It was scheduled, but Jordan cancelled because he said his fees went up and the university didn't want to pay his rate...
Stop using this argument. There is no hybrid here. Is a government that focus on national policy a hybrid of capitalism and nazism? No, it's not. Taking the "good" surface level stuff from communism and applying it in a capitalist society is not a hybrid, it's just the market and government adapting to improve the system. There is nothing to be attributed to communism or socialism in these advancements, because the ideology in question would destroy everything in front of it for the utopia.
There only hybrids are the affirmative actions and other divisive programs based on "oppressed vs opressor" that the left started promoting lately. It's disgusting, toxic and evil.
@@freedomextremist7215 Crazy much?
Everyone knows Norway is an exception. They have tons and tons of extra cash from oil that makes it easier to pay for the extreme costs that socialism burdens a society with. Wealth inequality doesn't matter at all, all that matters is how much wealth the normal person has. The problem is that the government is bloated, expensive, and slow. It does everything less efficiently than companies do. (I have worked for the government, I know.) And at the end of the day, consolidating that much power to the government is just a bad idea. Usually ending in a death spiral. (all of south-America, Sweden in the 80's/90's, etc) There are better policies to pursue that free the markets to create more wealth for everyone.
@@AdamantLightLP You don't even have to go that far. Denmark is a bit less, or I should say they do it a bit differently. They consider themselves capitalists, but compared to the U.S. they are nothing near. And it's important to note that none of Scandinavia's countries consider itself a socialist nation despite some strong policies. And the only thing wrong with our government is that it is meant to be dysfunctional. If we had a better system everything would be different, but the powers that be make more money keeping a bought and paid for government. The dems allow things that don't work so they can say they're better. Like abortion. If they cared one iota it would have been impossible, and not even up to a court to overturn another court. The GoP do the same, though they have no recent things that they've been right about except for protecting free speech.
Has anybody taught these college kids that Nazi stands for national socialist movement??
My perception is the fact that one was purging Jews who according to the Bible is God's chosen people from whom the Messiah would come, and this touched hearts everywhere because at the time it was the dominating religion in the world. Contrast that to Stalin who was purging everyone who was against his political and social ideas; does not strike us as terrifying as Hitler killing the Jewish people. I may be wrong but it's an idea.
Having known a elderly Ukrainian woman who had escaped Stalin, while her husband and parents disappeared to never be scene again, it seems that it's merely the knowledge of both. Had the Allies went in to the Gulags and freed those prisoners in the same way we did the Concentration camps, we would see their wasn't a dimes worth of difference in these ideologies. We forget that until Sept.1 1939, Hitler did more to lift up Germany economically than any German leader had ever done. BUT that's not why he's remembered. Stalin brought down his people economically and that stayed with them until the early 90s.
That question was so looooooooooooooong
So on point!
Capitalism, of course, never harmed anyone. A British govt report on the behaviour of the Peruvian Amazon Company against indigenous people “ it castrated and beheaded them, poured gasoline on them and lit them alive, crucified them upside down, beat them, starved them and fed them to the dogs” The same could be said of most indigenous peoples who stood in the way of profit. Children in “ civilised “ countries worked in factories, up chimneys for 12 hours a day, six days a week. Men abuse whatever system they can in the pursuit of money, power and religious indoctrination.
if they want to bring up "real communism has never been tried" as an argument, then one could argue has true fascism ever been tried? infact both have been tried, but just because they never got to the so called utopia they promised doesnt mean that réal X has never been tried, just that trying it always goes catastrophically wrong.
I always start as a premise with the photo of a Nazi and Soviet army officers shaking hand
Both socialists...
It's not that communism is as bad as nazism. It's worse and it always have been.
Nothing is worse than Nazism.
They have no idea about, how cruel the citizens in communistic countries are treated. And actuelly everybody will be make at the and to looser. To somebody who waisted his life. At least waisted much of their resources as humans.
Communism in its pure form is a system that has the people living on a commune and the principal industry is farming. Communism works best in a society where the people are in agreement with sharing everything and the system is run by a committee that is elected by the people. If you have a single leader then there can be a problem with a probable dictatorship and things going into totalitarianism. A possible example of communal living would be that of a monastary. The problem of communism is that it works against human nature to obtain possessions. We look at possessions as being extentions of ourselves which demonstrate our taste in things. This would be the expression of our individual ego for others to see; "look at what I've got". These possessions are also a tangible indication of one's achievement in life. This is why capitalism works best for most people. Capitalism has the mechanism of competitive striving that communism doesn't. Under communism some of the people may not work as hard as others because there is little incentive to do so other than simple cooperation. However, under capitalism, each person normally has to compete for better conditions in his/her life. This competition has various aspects; education, job performance, social standing and sadly politics to name a few.
We are always navigating inherent human evil . Always .
Humans are not inherently evil. Anything that makes us human (separating us from animals) is a good thing. Cruelty is not a human attribute. Greed is not a human attribute. Civilisation is. Knowledge is. Morality is. Altruism is. The people who surrender to their animal nature inevitably become evil. Those who try their best to be humans will always be good.
@@PinkBroBlueRope why do humans have to be trained from birth to not be awful ? Why are there warehouses full of laws that no one can obey from the beginning of time ? Everyone lies , steals , cheats , gossips , deceives , self - serves , etc.. EVERYONE. That includes you and me.
We have entire industries dedicated to the attempt to manage human wickedness, and they quickly become corrupt when people find they can personally benefit. People screw each other over all the time - it’s the baseline. Now there is a group of elites who have decided they know what is best for humanity and they are using deceit , coercion , and murder to achieve their goals . There is not a shred of evidence that humans are inherently good . People can do good things - but we are never navigating human goodness .
@@nancybaumgartner6774 who teaches children to behave? Who creates laws? Who punishes immorality? If the answer to all three of these is "a human", then you cannot argue humanity is inherently evil. The story of our species is one of unhinging ourselves from nature and our animal side to rise to something higher - our humanity. Some of us can't control their urges, can't think beyond the moment, cannot consider the feelings of others. These people are less human than the rest of us, closer to the animals that we were before civilisation.
@@PinkBroBlueRope Who creates laws ? God does - and when people decide they themselves are “god”, societies plummet into lawlessness . The Judeo-Christian principles of what is right and what is wrong , based upon the Ten Commandments, has given us a long period of time reasonable , sane, and lawful living . While it’s been eroding for many years , it’s in a free - fall now .
Immorality and lawlessness are reigning supreme now , because people will always resist God and demand human will. That is the natural human condition .
“The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it? “I the Lord search the heart and test the mind, to give every man according to his ways, according to the fruit of his deeds”
Jeremiah 17 : 9-10
“For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.”
Mark 7: 21- 23
“O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me (A)from this body of death? 25 (B)I thank God-through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.”
Romans 7; 24- 25
We needed a savior , Christ , because we cannot save ourselves. Human pride cannot stand this truth - which is why many reject it .
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I have witnessed the best intentions turn evil. Its inherent in human nature to turn
to your animal , in perceived crisis and away from soulful convictions. Yes Stalin was as bad or maybe worse than Hitler.
Knowing Stalin killed and starved millions of his own, not in war but simply
Lusting for power ,it places him in a league of his own. When Barbararosa
occured ,Stalin had assassinated so many top Generals the military was nearly defunct. The perceivable difference among students from Government schools lays in the fact they go to public schools. The definition between (kill) and (murder) is not made
Succinct by modern standards. Although I hold no enmity toward Russia and today is not 1920s/30s/40s one must
realize not delivering the Coup De Grace
is the substantial difference of good and evil.
I suggest that you need to clarify your argument.
The difference between good and evil is not intentions, but principles.
There is little more common than people excusing themselves by claiming that their “intention” was not evil, despite the fact that the outcomes were not only appalling, but inevitable.
Stephen Kotkin makes a compelling argument that Stalin's atrocities could not have been about lusting for power, because by then he already had total power. Stalin believed in an ideal and was indifferent to the evil outcomes which were inherent in it.
so Stalin nearly destoyed his military. if he asasinated all of his geenrals his Military wouldove been in dissarray and Hitler wouldove taken Russia
@@peterg76yt imagine the paranoia of a taken top spot such as Stalins, that in itself could drive murder.
@@bludeuce3855 .... The Russian military WAS in disarray. That is clearly demonstrated in their lack of success in the Winter War with Finland and their very great losses against Germany early in the German invasion, despite having nearly 12 months to prepare for a German invasion that they firmly believed would come eventually.
“The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. The inherent virtue of Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.” - Winston Churchill
Imo Stalin essentially did to Russia what Hitler did to the Jewish race. They were both horrendous. At that time we didn't have a direct conflict with Russia during WW2. ilI don't really remember being taught about really much about Russia aside from them being a part of the Axis side and Germany betrayed them, in school. I don't know if any Russian memorial museums here about her peoples suffering.