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- Your Million Dollar CNC Machine Shop Is Destined To FAIL… Because Of These 5 Things!
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I would show this to my supervisor, but I'd get fired on the spot
Leave that place in a hurry!
@Diego Swift I could but they still wouldn't do anything about it. If I could get another job I would but the only reason I'm still there is because the owner lets me use the machines in my free time and whenever they are free, even though it doesn't happen very often.
It would be nice the make some changes on a few things, and my co workers would like them to but "if the current way works why change it"
Do yourself AND the shop a favor, and share this video. Yours isnt the only shop that will let you use their machines on the weekend. Hell, Titan would let me run every machine all weekend if i had a project
Same
Do it and start your own shop
I did the same for my previous company, they only used hss endmills/drills, I showed the comparison between carbide and it turned a 2 hour job into a 10 minute job just by changing to carbide and adjusting sfm and feed
YESSSSS
@@barrysetzer they used hss for 4140 😂it was a joke, just because the hss was 10$ vs 30$ for an endmill
What a waste of $10 😂
1 Modern Machines
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Barry, you forgot the two big ones: “We can’t afford to do maintenance” and “We don’t have the time to do maintenance.”
The head pressman at the first shop I worked at told me about the first shop he worked for. They had purchased the first Komori printing press ever sold in the Americas, and about three months after it hit the floor they couldn’t get salable work out of it. They called Komori America and these six guys from Tokyo showed up in the building two days later. The first thing they did was to hand the owner a card that said “none of us speaks English.” Well, the mechanics stood there for a week beating on this $7 million machine trying to get it to work. Then another guy from Komori showed up and the seven of them had a long conversation. At the end of it the English-speaking man went to the press foreman and told him, “Press is okay. Operator no good.” What had happened was after the manufacturer signed off on the install the idiot shop owner decided to pay off the press in six months and ran it 24/7 with no downtime for maintenance. Offset ink looks like colored axle grease, and the mechanics had to remove 50 pounds of dried ink from the press with wood chisels. Maintenance went from “never” to “start of shift and after every job.”
At a shop I worked at, we were running solvent-ink printers. The production manager said he “couldn’t afford” to buy the right solvent to clean the heads, so he had us using isopropyl alcohol. There are two problems with this: it doesn’t work because the ink is alcohol resistant, and it destroys the rubber parts in the printer. A year later he’d managed to destroy all six heads in the printer, plus about $5000 worth of other parts. The right solvent is $50 a quart, but a quart will last you six months so it’s not that bad. We didn’t let him order stuff after that.
Man that is a GREAT point! Where were you before i did this video 😂
The "we will make it work" attitude is one of the most destructive mindsets ever. My shop has lucked into a couple of huge and profitable contracts and we are now tooling up for them. New cutters, gages, and 2 new 5 axis mills with more on the way and several twin spindle mill turns coming soon. Problem is, we have a small crew and only 2 of us, myself and the owner, who can program parts and setup jobs. What is going to possibly cause us to crash is the shop pay rate. Current salaries in our shop are less than the local fast food restaurants. We are adding all this new equipment but we are going to get nothing more than "warm bodies" to run it unless management will pay what talented machinists are worth, and I don't see that changing. How do I show my superiors this needs to change?
Get everyone to demand more pay. Start looking at other jobs that will pay more and present those jobs and what they're offering to management. If everyone is involved it will likely go in your favor.
where do you work, usa?
quit your Job its That simple and likley the only way you will get a raise. go to a competitor and say you want a new job you dont like your pay
Well, I'm not really sure on the way of presentation, but if the owner is setting up jobs and running machines etc... you would be wise to present him with facts and logical arguments. Give him physical examples and be straight to the point. You know this guy better that all of us so you'll need to think of how and what to tell him. But keep in mind he is a machinist and programmer, like you.
In any job, it takes 3 months to understand the way "We do business here." During that time you are lucky to be breaking even for your company. Once you understand the business, you can start being valuable. So a minimum wage employee that realises that they now have the skills to go to your competitors is not going to hang around.
Once management understands the above, they pay more or die.
I've been doing this for 30+ years I love these guys and their videos, I don't always agree 100% with them but I realize times and the trade changes constantly even from when I was first learning to use a file to square a block of steel to using modern plastics in multi axis machines these days. Things like using hss/cobalt, coated/uncoated tools in my opinion depends on what you're making and your constraints (money/time/customer's quote/etc..).
Having worked with a multitude of different machines manual and CNC, I firmly believe they all have their place and usage case. and I will always believe that all machinists, operators, engineers, and programmers should have knowledge and experience on all of the machines they are working on / programing for / or designing parts to be run on. That way they can know what they are capable of and what they won't do. To add to that all shop programmers/supervisors/owners should also understand that 10/+ year old programming software probably won't be able to handle newer applications (personal experience with this), but I digress...again love you guys keep up the damn good work and thanks again.
Haha absolutely rhinox! You have to know when and where to apply each strategy.
you are right on every point! But sometimes it is more economical for single part manufacturers like us to use an HSS drill, for example if you have to buy a 20xD drill for one part.
Specialty stuff is always special after all
Barry, great video. From a small one person setup to a massive shop that advice holds.
company i work for uses a cam software that doesnt even support loading in 3d models, quite literally gotta draw every rectangle, circel and line ourselves (we still get stuff done with it but it easily can take some time sometimes to just draw up the plane we wanna machine (3 axis machines), and that didnt even include inserting all the paths and such)
they do have a license of actual cadcam software but only 1 person knows how to use it and they refused to teach me when i asked about it because it would too much time
Yeah they dont have time to train you, but they have time to let you waste hours using the old garbage software. Theyre really saving money, now!!
@@barrysetzer the software in question was alphacam 7 (wouldnt surprise me if youve never heard of it, neither did i before working there) , the cadcam is siemens NX
seriously, if i find a way to get the post processor of my shitty machine on like mastercam to work and be able to send the program im even buying a laptop to do it with and yes i did consider just switching jobs LOL
At my shop we recently had a test to see our knowledge, and to the boss's surprise "the old heads" who they were swearing were the backbone of the place, most of them failed the test miserably....like not even being able to point which are the X, Y and Z axis let alone the A and B , problems identifying basic tool types and so on, mind you some of them have been working at this particular shop for over 20 years now....
I remember when I first got to my shop in the Army. My job was to be a welder and machinist, but the first thing I was told was that I was not allowed to the touch the CNC machines. Nevermind that I spent a lot of time rewriting my notes in AIT and doing my best to understand the procedures. That shop was toxic af and even though we had all of the equipment I ended up doing nothing but details. Thankfully the unit no longer exists but I will never recover mentally from being dubbed "worthless" early on in my career.
Thanks for letting me know what to look out for, while looking for my first position.
My workplace is shifting from the "we've always done it like that" mentality, it feels pretty good coming from somewhere more lean and 6 sigma oriented and showing them we can get so much more from the machines
The shop I work for still manually programs gcode on their doosan dnm500 using hss and cobalt tools. We do mostly low volume parts for ourselves and it's basic operations like drilling and simple milling but they just refuse to change anything. And because I'm new and young they don't want to listen to anything I have to say that would improve their process 10fold. I told them carbide can run significantly faster than their tools and they just laughed and said "it'll break the machine if I try that." We do a ton of 304ss parts as well and we burn through an insane amount of hss drills.
Most recently I had to a bunch of 4+ inch holes through 4140 with a cobalt spade drill and the tsc pump was removed by the previous owner and never replaced, so I had to use the through-air blast to clear chips out. Which worked, but the insert wasn't terribly happy about it. I told them we should just buy a new tsc pump but "that's a waste of time.
Ouch! What are these people thinking 😖
The idea of running that machine with hss is pretty mind blowing:)
Man, I've seen a lot of this stuff at basically every shop I've been to. Back when I first started High Efficiency Milling was not as well known as it is now. I had to figure it out by reading stuff online and experimenting at work. But the ongoing excuse when I'd bring up new cam, better tool utilization, higher spindle loads, more training for machinists, proper fixturing, etc was "we've always done it this way..." Hell I've even reprogrammed stuff at the correct feeds and speeds according to the tool manufacturer, decreasing cycle times, sometimes by 300%, only to have the lead man in the shop come back and reprogram it back to the slower speed, lol.
I’m glad I work for a company that leads the way.. If I was a very smart kid,I’d study the field of AI and robotics..
I subscribed to this channel to watch how CNC machines do their magic, but I did not expect to hear great motivational speech. Wow, amazing story !!!
[06/25/22] In training/education right now, when I graduate I hope that I can find work in a progressive, forward thinking shop where I can build up my experience the RIGHT way!!
im in a CAD only workplace. despite using 3D CAD software for more then 10 years now, with less demand for actual 2D-drawings from our customers, every workplace is still equipped with a digitizer tablet... the ones that stopped being produced around 1990. We moved away from AutoCAD because they stopped supporting the non-ribbon UI with the windows10 compatible versions.
feels kinda similar to what you are describing there.
Quit your job brother!
Man, i know the old 3-ax machines being given 5-ax stuff
I was born in the late 90s, the machine i was told to make advanced connecting/locating nodes on was made in the early 80s and had an "updated" controller from 2002
The nodes were 6-18 sided polyhedrons with indexing slots/holes/steps and threaded holes on each or most sides.
Painful, right!?!
@@barrysetzer absolutely excruciating
They paid well for my experience level but just with the machines i have at home (which is admittedly a lot), i'd need maybe 4 months to make the same stuff i made over the 3 years i was on that task for 8 hours a day.
Additional points:
Don't be penny wise and pound foolish. As jmowreader says below, saving $50 on solvent, but then needing expensive maintenance or repairs fits this. Also, buying hugely expensive machines and then failing to pay for good employees, services, consultants, materials, tooling, and fixtures.
Treat people like you would want to be treated. This would include scheduling, pay, time off, training, and treating others as "professionals."
The difference between understanding something... and really understanding it deeply.
some understand the numbers but not the how part of it.
I wish I could talk to you all more in depth. We run a small fabrication and welding shop and do everything manual now but I feel like the addition of a cnc mill and lathe needs to be done in the near future as our machinist is an older gentleman. Love the attitude of going hard all the time and maximizing the machine. We don’t do production runs (as we don’t have those capabilities to even pursue that work) so initial uses would be limited to the needs of a job shop.
Honestly from experience, if you wont use your machine at least 8 hours every day for the full year (2 - 8 hour shifts per work day, 6 times a week are the norm) then there is small economic initiative to buy a new CNC machine. You could maybe get a used one for cheaper, but should anyways first calculate when and will this machine pay itself off. If you dont fit in the calculations, a manual mill with a digital readout will greatly increase your capabilities without breaking the buck.
Well, as i said in this video…..if you want to talk more, we are here lol. Probably the best thing you could do is join our FB machinist group. Thousands of people that just want to HELP
I enjoy your talks Barry.
You seem to have a good head on your shoulders. Not just a hat rack.
I know all about no AC. Being next door in Louisiana, we have to watch and make sure our guys are not melting in front of their machines. I still say I would take the heat over the cold any day.
Haha thanks Steve! And yeah, i have worked in extreme cold and extreme heat myself. I choose neither lol.
You can always wear more clothes to work. You can’t wear less clothes at some point :) I just spent a weekend shift with my shirt off because I soaked it!
@@poetac15 true totally true.
Its just my bones and muscles don't act the same in the cold . Everything always hurts.
I’m in Houma, these past few weeks have been brutal man
@@TJ4A9 i hear ya brother.
I'm in Laplace. Not much relief from the humidity over here as well.
Keep hydrated as much as possible
Fantastic video, I'm in HTX any machine shops that you recommend?
As a person about to go to school to get my CNC certificate and entry the workforce. How do I know which shops are the good ones? I’m switching careers so I want to make sure I’m setting myself up for success at a shop that is gonna help me be the best I can.
We do not own a single HSS mill anymore. We only use carbide for all milling and turning, even on the manual lathe (which is more a toy than a serious machine).
Just a selection of HSS drills for the manual drill press or low volume jobs where carbide drills tend to break seem to be necessary.
Ots like did you make them 90 % as effecient as they coukd be, utilizing all these things, and then they fored you out of spite, jkg. You the man.
I don't really like the mindless booms presented on this channel , but the things that the guy said are 102% true . Sadly in the region i work there are very very very few places that tick all the boxes . There are soso technologically advanced places , but they never look for programmers , or should i state : the WON'T let you in . So the more serious places usually only look for an operator , and are paying shit money , literally most supermarkets are maching the rate !
The small shops usually look for universal soldiers , but provide old machines , no cam , no nothing , shit conditions , even shit prints . Old , used and worn stuff overall . They are afraid to invest like 1000$ in a new tool . They usually pay more , but there's a huge spread , one could get minimum wage , an other could get 4x the minimum wage , larger shops have a more "standardised" salary scheme .
To be honest i understand small shops to an extent , even most customers are full of shit , never willing to pay for a decent part , and in the end we have to cut all the corners , waste days to deliver a 200$ part for 100$ , thus baerly floating on the surface . This is not a localised issue !
In My Company is it happening the same. What or how could i do to help? I am a mechanical engineer for the CAD and design, so not much expirence on Machining, but I feel my operator and programmer and not motivated and don't want to change the "I always done like that". I kinda been feeling frustrated and thinking to leave, but feel bad for the owner that is a great person.
"We're leaving money on the table" is my go to when dealing with an owner who's actually willing to listen.
We are stuck with 20+ year old technology with a few new machines. Ug. I like the new stuff, everyone else likes the old stuff.
All machine shops where I've worked have at least 2 of those thinks, most of them have like 4 or 5
I work at my current workplace for a little over four years now and I'm amazed that there people working there for 20+ years and still don't know even the basics of cnc machines, like which X Y anf Z let alone understand tool offsets , just last week one those old guys put a 140mm length tool instead of the 107 just because they had the same shape , needles to say he broke the tool,cut the workpieces in half and the machine caught on fire 😂😂
And if you try to tell them they're wrong they'll be like "kid, you know for hiw many years I've been working this job ? I don't neexyou telling how to do it" so I just let them mess up and then if they ask for help I'll help them and the "this 20+ year old machines (that break in a daily basis) are good enough we don't need new ones" gets me all the time because they know they have guys like me here and there who will try to make them work another week ot so before something else breaks on them , they're sitting more in maintenance than doing actual parts but they say they're still good.....
Im drunk and I'm terrified at the fact that i feel like im at the peak of the Dunning Kruger arc when i should definitely be somewhere in the through.
Edit: how would it make you feel if i told you the world's greatest military would answer with a resounding "yes I've heard that" to all of your questions?
Im from Malaysia and im your new subscriber , now im learning a basic of edm sinking machine , any tips ?
Stay tuned! We will be posting a video on our sinker in the next couple of weeks! We also have an EDM playlist so check that out too!
You mean not every machine shop is clean with modern equipment, has air conditioning, and a fair wage?
Suck it up butter cup. I would of love to have that kind of opportunity. Not only to show off some of my skills, but to learn something new! Stuff that they won’t teach you in school.
That’s what my employ tells me when I complain about the working conditions or pay. ‘You should be thankful’
Can you post a video on what to do if you feel burnt out at work or trade?”
thats exact the 5 things what i heard a lot of from my managers and bosses :D. so sad they dont wanna change anything of it.
Lol, they SUCKED
Where I work we have some CNC lathes that are older than me and I'm well into my 30s
Now im not saying to push them into the dumpster yet! Just use them as they were intended! And buy new ones
I sure hope you make 60$ an hour or more. Your skills are amazing.
I do ;) and thanks 😂
You forgot to mention one of the most important things...
You need to have proper inspection equipment ! Eyecrometer's don't count
EyeCrometer 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@barrysetzer yep it sure looks like 13.2475+/-.0005......man I wish I had laser eye measuring capabilities I wouldn't have to go to the Cmm all the time
Great video Barry.
Thanks Stefan. Just tellin it like it is!
We are also making cnc machining ,custom parts machining .
Hey guys at Titans. So I run large machines vbms and hbms. CNC and manual. I know most so called job shops don't specialize in large manufacturing. It be great to see some huge machines ripping huge chips and making huge parts. Any way dudes. This beers for u
Hey Erik! Me and Jessie have run some of the biggest machines on the planet. Like Waldrich Coburgs. Have you caught the Ibarmia videos?
@@barrysetzer yeah man pretty cool. I run a retrofit Hypro VBM it's cool and a few Cnc horizontal boring mills. Not 5 axis but pretty badass machines. I have seen the videos. Very cool man. Keep up the good work.
Also just checked out them Waldrich Colburg machines. Pretty effing cool man.
What was your regular rate ? We all NEED to know lol
Ever since working as an apprentice for a highly skilled machinist, I've wanted to open up my own shop. However, as ridiculous as it sounds, I don't have any of the experience for making a part, setting it up or even writing g-code. What's the best way to learn the skills necessary for machining?
Best regards.
Ask your highly skilled Machinist
@@whtkngofc Thanks for the advice, however he sadly passed away 2 years ago. His son lives six states away, so even if I wanted to, I couldn't receive a live lesson.
@Curry, start the Titans of CNC free academy!
@@barrysetzer agreed. Even as someone with basic training, working thru the building blocks will teach you. If you know aluminum make the parts from something more challenging!
@@barrysetzer Thank you so much Mr. Setzer! Your videos on the channel are very educational. I will do so. Best regards!
I guess the only trouble is that when you're starting out like I am (2years ish), making these steps up the ladder can be prohibitively expensive, as much as you're aware of your own shortcomings!
Checking off the list
1. I have good software, that can cope with 4 and 5axis work.
2. I can model and program it
3. I run carbide exclusively, and tey and always use shrink or hydraulic tool holders for all work, not just finishing.
4. I do run a 26year old machine with 4th axis capability BUT
5. I don't have the work to keep the spindle running for 8 hours every day, let alone two shifts.
Problem identified is a bit chicken and egg.
I need to find more work, but I know I'll reach a bottle neck at some point with the old machine.
Answer:(I hope you agree!)Finding the confidence to finance a sub 10 year old machine is probably my biggest problem.
You are one of the guys that gets it! Youre absolutely on the right track! Just dont “forget” to replace that machine as the work starts rolling in, later!!!
@@barrysetzer Thank you very much, I appreciate it! I think I'll make myself a poster for the workshop of these key points.
I’m new here. Is this more like a production company of more like prototypes/non production?
Haha, we are more like a “super company.” We share all of our secrets and all of our methods, so that the entire industry benefits; free of charge. Check out our free online academy!
I am just started in as a Cnc oprator I am working for a year now how can I improve my skills I just need to get my skills up please help.....
Get out while you still can
ask for harder parts...
Hss or carbide?
Lol here ya go czcams.com/video/kPKbH65l7Y4/video.html
HSS is better at certain times than carbide explain why
It can be sharper
damn I would like to know the name of the shop u worked for in Houston
I would like to program my own parts
BHI. The owner, Luke, is an AWESOME guy. Hit me up on FB if you want a reference
@@barrysetzer ohhh ok than yeah I heard of that company the owner has a nephew who owns his own machine shop next door now
I'd like to have an in-depth conversation. Who do I connect with?
Hi Amrinder! You're welcome to send an email to info@titansofcnc.com. Thank you for your support!
We are always around, you can also find us in our Facebook machinists group!
It shouldn't be only shop, it should be everything.. trust me.
Huh?
To avoid failure, never "GI-GO!!!
People still use HSS in CNC??? Wow
The world has apparently got used to believing people are not skilled or multi-skilled...
Come on carbide tools are nowadays common in hobby shops in a garage... Seriously are there professional CNC shops that use HSS?
Lmao you would be SHOCKED to see how many shops still use hss
@@barrysetzer I truly am shocked. What is their reasoning to hold on to HSS?
Because they have “worked” for 50 years. Its a matter of changing your thought process, and machine shops are very SLOW at doing that for some reason
sounds like a lot of places I have worked for....!!!!!
Good work!!! We also have rich experience in sheet metal fab, we are a strong manufacturer in China, with high quality and competitive price.
finally leaving the trade after a year into it. just dosent pay in my area. A forklift driver pays more
Man you shouldnt give up that easy. There ARE places that will pay you what youre WORTH
I too face a lot of the push back when asking for a fair salary. I did machining and decided to join the quality department, where AC runs all day. Literally my deciding factor as absurd as that may sound.
I’ve worked for smaller shops because the office politics and bureaucracy in the Fortune 500 companies are not for me.
With that being said seems because quality doesn’t manufacture parts we are overhead. However, I speak ASME Y14.5 2009 - 2012, as well as ASMEY 14.3. What I mean by that is a lot of small companies want government work because it “pays well”. Not knowing all of the requirements you need to fulfill in order to get it, keep it, and be able to sell it.
That in itself has allowed me to pick and choose where I want to work. I’ve dealt with all the primes and have the pleasure of teaching a thing or two to their engineers.
So never sell yourself short and or give up! If one company doesn’t value you, go to the next. You might be an interview away from finding a fair shop.
I sucked for decades. Just an old piece of crap that finally got flushed. 😀
Dont buy a new machine unless every spindle you have is at 80% utilization over two shifts......yeah !!!!!!
Hi Barry
Hey buddy!
Japan has us out leveled
This is kids play to them
Dont forget that we taught them how its done!
You left "Because, that's the way we've always done it.", off your list.
Lol, dont get me started on THAT 😂
if parts cost millions clien save buying own machines and do parts "free"
It’s tooo fast tooo aggressive…..
Who is talking on this video?
Barry is the disembodied voice in this video 🙂
Yeah, that would be me!
@@barrysetzer hello Barry I really enjoy your videos and and the information you give in your videos I am from San Antonio Texas I am have been Cnc machinist for 14 years now and I still learn something new every day and I was wondering what was the name of the company if you don’t mine I am looking for work right I hope to hear back from you thank you for the videos and keep making awesome videos and dropping that machinist knowledge on us
I mean I understand you want knowledgeable guys, but what about new guys who are willing to learn? Aren’t those good to pick up also?
YES. In fact, i ONLY learned 5 axis because my boss let me be trained. BUT, he knew i was willing to put in the WORK.
Well, it all depends on the kind of work your are machining.
A lot things are simply not necessary and cost only money w/o any benefit to the company, when you are focussed on a special product (like me: Hydraulic Blocks)
This Guy comes across as a know it all. He may be. That's fine. He belongs working for a fortune 500 company.
Lol, i would describe myself as a know nothing. But during my career, i have met alot of people that know ALOT. And through no talent of my own, ive seen what works and what does NOT.
@@barrysetzer you articulate extremely professional. 👍
The comment about not being able to afford carbide is just ridiculous. I mean even cheap Ebay or Amazon carbide tooling is better then HSS. That would at least help break the cycle.
Lol totally. But see the comment right after yours! These places actually exist!
@@barrysetzer I worked at a shop where the mill lead just always bought whatever was cheapest for tooling. I stepped in after he left and starting buying quality tools. The GM was shocked at the price difference. It was roughly 3x the price. He asked if it was really needed. I told him that I spent all day replacing the cheap tools to keep the job running, Where as the quality tools would last for several jobs worth of parts. He asked me to keep the tools a secret as he didn't want others to find out and start requesting the same tools. Well that didn't last long as the manual guy found out and was amazed at how long the tools lasted. Then the guys in the lathe department started using them in the turn mills. By then the cat was out of the bag.
👍👍👍👍
Respectfully, companies like SpaceX and Blue Origin are raking in truckloads of dollars and paying machine shops so little for their parts that the people making them can't even afford to fix their cars and have to hitch rides to work. Turnover is horrendous right now, and the people who control this industry are taking selfies in orbit or buying huge chunks of the internet and bragging about it on social media. If this gets any worse I might start a company making all-season tires for rollaway toolboxes.
If you're raising up machinists to accept this degree of exploitation in their careers, then you do suck! But that attitude runs entirely counter to the kind of career advice I've heard you give on this channel, so I'm pretty sure that's not what's going on.
Its same for other industry, if you small (relative) company is willing to work big brand for Tag, but not the money - its not bigtech issue, its your own stupidity.
@@chernogorsky Yeah, that's a perfectly reasonable expectation in an ideal world but here's the thing:
Small companies are handling more business than ever right now due to supply chain issues. Buyers are reaching out to anyone with a pair of calipers. It's almost impossible *not* to deal with one of thousands of small shops scrambling for business.
But instead of charging a reasonable and fair price that will cover their expenses (including labor), they are trying to compete by undercutting their competition and when your machinists have kids to feed they're not going to fight as hard for fair wages. Machinists are paying the cost of corporate inefficiency, and if someone is a trainer or employer of machinists and thinks this is okay, then they are just a terrible person who shouldn't be interacting with machinists.
They expect to launch rockets at 1994 prices while the rest of us pay 5-10 times as much for gas and food and health care. Let them hire temps for minimum wage to open and close doors and hit cycle start and see how it goes for them.
You're right, big tech didn't cause this. It's been a problem with our labor market since the fifties and it's just now coming to a head, thanks to the greed of big tech.
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