Love my Kahr cw9, by far best carry guns on the market, and has been for longer than the small 9mm craze hit few years back!!! They been doing it for years and doing it right!
Meh. I'd agree with you if Kahr's magazine design wasn't terrible. My PM9 mags routinely have rounds work their way out in my pocket, and I know that other Kahr owners have this issue as well. Wouldn't be a huge issue, except that I live in MA, where getting caught with a stray bullet (that I missed) in my pocket, in certain areas, could cause major problems for me.
JJ Tucson This is not a follower issue. The issue that you are speaking of was with followers breaking. That has nothing to do with rounds falling out.
I enjoyed this video. You're well-spoken, don't have annoying mannerisms, and you're concise without being curt. In addition, the wonderful lighting in your video allowed me to get a great look at the guns (i really like seeing small features like grip texture, slide beveling, chamber inscriptions, etc.) Subbed. :)
I have one of each. I much prefer the Shield, since it has the newer Hi Viz sights (I'm an old geezer) and I prefer the trigger pull. I still like the Kahr, which is easier to disassemble and clean, but I don't shoot the Kahr as well as I can shoot the Shield, mainly due to my ability to manage the trigger. Great video, sorry I'm ten years late here!
I like my kahr but it’s all preference when you’re talking about trigger pull and what not. I saw a video of someone just ragging on the kahr trigger and to me that’s a dumb reason to tell people not to buy a gun cuz they might love that trigger
I have a Kahr CW9 & absolutely Love it! Great for carrying,haven't had any problems with it,it has five hundred rnds through it. Looked at the Shield this passed wkend,felt great,like the sights & the size. It will be my next purchase.
Your reviews are what made me purchase my cw9 and I couldn't be happier. Great job with the information as well as adding your own personal opinions to make it more understandable to old dumb grunts like myself lol. Keep up the great work!
I love the Kahr cw9 its very light but strongly built compact 9mm perfect for conceal carry put some hollows I use Federal ammo and she's perfect for everyday carry
Good job. I've owned a MK40 from Kahr and currently a Glock 26 and 27. I agree with all you've said. I sold the Kahr, super nice trigger by the way, only due to the 5+1 mag and to consolidate weapon systems to all Glock since my other two carrying guns are the 23c and a 35. I can carry one mag to fit the Glocks.
yep, here too, I just dont buy from gun shops around here anymore....I left my reasons on their webpage comments section and quite a few that agreed! Since then, some got the hint but they dont keep much of an inventory, I just go to them and order offline. I am finding that dealers in my area are getting away from selling new guns because there is really not all that much money to be made. They just do used guns and let you use their FFl for new stuff.
I own both a Kahr and a Shield. Personally, I like the trigger pull on the Kahr. I've been carrying the Shield for years, but having just purchased a CW9 I'm going to try carrying it to see how it feels. As a bonus my IWB Crossbreed holster fits both perfectly so no need to buy a second holster!
I had traded my Kel-Tec P-11 for partial credit on S&W body guard. The one thing I really liked about the Keltec was that you could get that Clip that would allow you to carry without a holster. For me that clip worked extremly well and made my gun conceal better and carry more comfortably than any gun in a holster. I was saddened because I missed the ease of carrying with the clip. No other guns have clip options. Then I found the clipdraw holster it tapes to the with no messy adhesive.
I just want to say thank you...for the video and info. I'm looking for a small CCW, and my best friend (also a retired military lady) recommended a 9mm. I'm going to the nearby indoor range where I can "try out" different weapons for a $10 fee per each...so that I can get a "what feels right for me" impression. Again, thank you for the info.
I've owned a Kel Tec PF9, Ruger LC9, and I just got the Kahr CW9 a few weeks ago. I have to say the Kahr feels so much better IMO. While I can place my whole hand on the grip, it isn't much taller than either the Kel Tec or Ruger. It feels like a full size handgun but is still very easy to conceal. I'm impressed...and I loved my PF9. The Ruger didn't last long. Just felt too "plasticy." I have no experience with the Shield.
I've been debating for a while about this 2 great pistols. I like both of them, my local gun shop is been running out of stock for the shield so I guess thats a positive plus. Khar is a bit more expensive here in Ilinois. However, my all time favorite is my Kimber Ultray Carry II and the S&W Bodyguard for light conceal carry, yeah yeah I know its a .380 but I use Buffalo Bore 100g w it, not a super stopping round but its all about bullet placement and double tap defensive shooting. Thanks!
The clip draw peals right off with no mess and it hooked up to my bodyguard frame perfect. They show alot of them installed on the slide,I don't like that because it kind of pushes the gun out of battery. It would also tape on to the frame of the Shield perfectly and make it one of the easiest to carry guns ever. I was nervous about how well the tape would hold but it has held strong for since I bought the body guard the first month they realeased, so almost a year. It is still holding strong.
I would really recommend giving one a try and then reviewing it I will be getting my ordered shield very soon and already have a clip draw universal holster ready for it. They also make one for glock that mounts on with a base plate and screws which i don't have a glock to try and one for a 1911 which Screws on under grip I tried on my 5" 1911 but it moved around alot due to the wieght. They are only like $20 and worth every penny.
lol yup...and thats exctly what I do. I think they got the hint when i asked price and they told me..then i followed that question by asking how much their FFl Fee is. nice thing is that most places around here will transfer for free.
I own a Shield and a P9. Honestly I really like them both. If I had to choose between the two I would pick the Kahr. I love the ergonomics of the Kahr and the trigger for a carry pistol. Just my opinion.
I hated the trigger on the Shield so the first thing I did was install an Apex tactical trigger kit, which made a huge difference in the gun. I also own the CW9, and it is my primary carry gun even over the shield and M&P Compact 9mm. Both shoot great but the overall height at the barrel make the kahr a little easier to conceal. As far as the safety on the Shiled, you can install a small shim and lock it into the off pisition. My trigger finger is my primary safety!!!
The Kahr is actually shorter by 0.2 inch, and the barrel is longer by 0.4 inch. The Kahr is lighter. However the CM9 is more concealable by quite a bit at the cost of one round of capacity.
Thanks for the information. What is the weight comparison between the CW9 and the Shield? What is the difference between the dis-assembly? Are there advantages in recoil? What about the finish?
real nice review which gun would u suggest for ccw carry for edc m&p shield, kahr cw9, or glock 26 i am 5"11/165 and i want it to conceal really well even in summer clothing
You are the first person I have ever heard say say that. Let me help you with a quote from Wikipedia. "Rear sights are usually mounted in a dovetail on the barrel or receiver, closer to the eye of the shooter, allowing for easy visual pick-up of the notch. Front sights are mounted to the barrel by dovetailing, sweat soldering, screwing, or staking close to the muzzle, frequently on a ramp."
Right now the 7 round and the 8 round magazines are all that fit the Shield 9mm, 6 & 7 rounds for the .40S&W. The 8 round magazines are just about impossible to find at this time.
Wow small world I watched your video on the bersa 380 cc so long ago and now this and did not realise you are a NW shooter too, just subscribed and looking forward to more vids still want to trade my bersa 380 for the Cc or sell for that m&p sheild nice vids man
I have a CW 45 that has a problem with consistently firing a cartridge. Using various factory ammo it will not detonate random rounds leaving a light mark on the primer. By loading by hand a primed empty case it will detonate the Primer each time. I have used 3 difference Kahr factory magazines with the same random results. It is an older model Kahr. I have had the trigger components replaced but have not resolved. The slide assembly is original. It was completely examined and appears to be in order. The firing pin assembly is correct and no one can find anything out of order. Random detonation still occured even with a new barrel, trigger assembly and springs. I am totally befuddled with this problem. Can anyone please advise as to what may be the cause? Thanks Mike L
Well Dang I spoke too quick...didn't know you were going to compare the Shield to every gun out there LOL....still say the CM9 would be a good comparison CW9 is bigger. Great reviews!
Thanks for the insight. Before the madness of the last 6 months I was waiting to get my hands the M&P Shield. still haven't seen one in any store in CA I've been shopping in. Had the chance just yesterday to buy the CW9. I originalyl wanted an M series but don't want to pay that kind of cash. The prices are crazy! Anyhow, thanks for the review and I really enjoyed the one where you guys attempt to show the better accuracy and duel it out in an almost exact target match up!
loved the video! fun to come back and watch it, See that both are under 400 bucks. Now you can't even find these in stores where I am and all the sites are selling them for 550 and 600 dollars used. Cracks me up what goons people are.
Old video. I bought a cw9 when they first came out. Paid 400 for it. You can find them new under 300. I like the Kahr triggers for carry. I also think the kahr dao will help you become a better shooter since there is no wall.
The Kahr is underrated I love the reliability and its not a boat anchor like my 1911....which I love too but its too big.....woods yes concealed it's a challenge
I don't think you say "I don't have a safety, I'm going to shoot myself." There are LOTS of gun experts that have accidentaly discharged a firearm through no fault of their own. If you read my post, you'll notice it was a relative scenario: it's far more likely you'll shoot yourself vs not be able to use your gun due to the safety.
I'm in a tough spot. I can get a shield for 420 or cw9 for 325 with a holster and ammo :/ i like both however i really want the shield but it is a bit more than i would like to spend. Would the cw9 be a good substitute?
I have the P9 which is very similar to the CW9. It is a great gun, and has never given me a single problem in many years of carry. I have only dry fired the Shield and I liked the trigger. I like the Kahr trigger too. I know several people that carry the Shield and love it. With the extra mag, the shield is 50 dollars more. If I wanted the Shield, I would not let 50 dollars stand in the way. If I did not have a P9, the Shield would be on my short list. I really like the XDS9 for some reason, but it is more money. Where I am, the Shield is under 400, 389 I think.
Wow only $379 for the shield at Bull's eye? Was that a special price or anything? I'm up here in king county and might have to make a trip down there :)
I own both and like the Kahr better for concealed carry cause it's so much thinner... Also easier to carry spare mags cause they are also much thinner... The SR9c is a great gun, very accurate and reliable... Just boils down to if size or capacity is more important.
I love this "in the heat of the moment you can't operate your safety" argument. As though that extremely unlikely circumstance is enough to buy a gun on. As compared to that scenario, it is FAR more likely that you accidentally shoot yourself because you don't have the safety.
I can't believe ppl buy guns and don't know the function of it at all! That's so scary to me, get some training if you don't know guns and how each one should function!!!!! Damn!!!!
Would you recommend the shield for a woman? How hard is it to pull the slide back? My brother has a regular m&p9 and it's a little difficult for me to pull it back. I was wondering if you know if this one is any easier?
The Kahr P9 is a better pistol, same specs as the CW9... but if you add night sights, the price comes out to be very close (NS not available on the CW but would be around $100 installed on most pistols for mid-range quality)... and add the match grade Lothar-Walther barrel, 2nd mag and upgraded slide machining... no brainer. Mine is the Black Diamond version... love it!
Yeah and the P9 is significantly more expensive, like $350-400 more. The CW9 is a much better value for essentially the same firearm. Yes the P9 has better barrel rifling and some minor esthetic upgrades but that hardly justifies the price
No, not one single person has EVER "accidentally" discharged a firearm "through no fault of their own." The term is negligent discharge, not accidental discharge. As to the "relative scenario," every person who has been in a live fire situation says the difference between that and just practice is worlds apart. Your reactions are totally different and you never know how. It is actually not uncommon to forget to switch off a safety. The best safety on any gun is between the shooter's ears.
Great review, as always. Thanks. I'd love a review of the Walther PK380 vs the M&P Shield 9mm. I love my wife's Walther (except the safety is upside down), comfortable, shoots great, (47 rds fired, 44 hits, 1 graze, 2 close misses last wk @ range, 7 yds) conceals better than my M&P45Compact. I plan to buy a Shield for edc. She carries a M&P Bodyguard380. It's okay, but I find it harder to shoot.
I have two kahrs and love them. But you have to carry condition one. Its hit or miss if they will slingshot the first round. If you wont carry that way get the shield.
Tim S that is the reason I will sell the kahr and get a shield. It's so stupid. Seriously karh? They can't get that right? Like every other gun on the planet except kahr.
@Tim S & @shamitoson: Kahr pistols are known to be built to close tolerances. If you know anything about guns, you want them to be tight. For that reason, some new pistols need a break-in before you can slingshot the slide to load a round. Shouldn't be a big deal since the slide release is there for that purpose -- and is quicker. So, why not use the slide release? Kahr pistols are designed to be safely carried in Condition Zero. What's with carrying in Condition One??? I'm not aware that Kahr installed a manual safety on any of their pistols -- unless you're in communist MA or CA??? Condition One = round chambered, full magazine, hammer cocked, safety on.
Rio Lobo my kahr has around a thousand rounds through it, maybe more as it was previously owned and still won't slingshot. You want tolerances soo tight the gun doesn't function like every other gun? If you carry it with one in the chamber then it's perfectly fine. The size of the gun is awesome. It's just frustrating it doesn't function like it should. Why must everyone make excuses for it? I know how to use it. It says so in the manual. It just seems like a design flaw. If you have to train differently for the guns idiosyncrasies, then it's not well thought out.
If your Kahr pistol can load a round by using the slide release, then it is functioning as designed. I have 4 Kahr pistols: P45, 2 - PM9s and a CW9. None of them slingshot easily. The slingshot must be brisk if attempting to load that way. You would never want to load a round by easing it into the chamber. Train differently? Loading a round with the slide release is by the book, and is the only way to assure that the round pushes past the extractor, and becomes firmly seated in the chamber. The casual slingshot doesn’t give you that assurance and can lead to light primer strikes and/or failure to extract. What model do you have? What ammo and bullet type are you using? Have you attempted a very brisk slingshot -- by pulling the slide all the way back (not 90% -- all the way -- it may be difficult if you have the small 380, or 9, or a stiff recoil spring) and letting it slam home? Small pistols are difficult for many people to slingshot. Also check the magazine lips and the follower for any abnormalities, rough surface, cuts, metal scraping, etc. You may have gotten some bad mags with the used gun.
Rio Lobo I don't mean to start an all out war. Clearly you like Kahrs. It is a nice gun. I have the pm9. I like to carry empty and slingshot a round in the chamber If needed. Which is likely never. That's why we carry guns in the first place. I have had no problem what so ever once the first round is chambered, by using the slide release. While the gun functions perfectly if you carry one in the chamber, I don't care to do so. Maybe I'm not experienced or proficient in carrying firearms as you. I'm almost 40 and I've shot guns since I was 6. I do have some experience in handling pistols of many calibers. I'm simply pointing out to the potential buyer that the kahr pm9 is quit finicky. Which is why this "problem" or "issue" is stated over and over again in the gun community. It isn't for nothing. I have multiple firearms that I can take out of the box and rack however I want and they will chamber the round. The kahr, guaranteed fail. So in my personal experience with Glock, Sig, Smith, and Ruger, I've never handled a gun where this slingshot method doesn't work. Except the kahr. Maybe I got a faulty one, but the repeated reports of this happening for other kahr owners makes me believe this is not a fluke. Seriously, I wish it was. The gun is awesome. Smaller then the competition. Great look with the chrome on black, way better sights then a glock. Smooth double action trigger pull, if you like revolvers, I do. I just think it's well worth noting to a potential buyer that this gun has its issues. To a new shooter looking for a concealed carry 9mm, I would say look elsewhere. If yours can chamber a round by slingshoting, Damn I'm jealous. It would be the perfect CC if mine could. Maybe I do just have one that doesn't want to break in. Oh well. Mine will be for sale.
don't worry, they know my stance on their extreme markups, I made it very clear that there are PLENTY of other shops that aren't as bad, and that my money will go to them. There are many other issues with that place.
You missed the fact that the barrel on the CW9 is quite a bit longer than the Shield for the same length gun -- like 1/2". Kahr is also lighter by a couple ounces. Further, that safety on the Shield ignores Left-Handers, but you can flick it off with a left trigger finger; however engaging the safety for a left-handed shooter just plain sucks. Please! Stop whining about the magazine difference -- just buy an additional mag for the Kahr and stop repeating it over & over!
Good video. I've seen several videos here about the Shield and they all are in agreement as to how great a a gun the Shield is. There's been so many independent reviews of this gun that are very favorable I think I'm going to go get a permit to buy one. Aside from all of the great features that it has, it's very affordable which in this day and age that's an important factor.
Love my Kahr cw9, by far best carry guns on the market, and has been for longer than the small 9mm craze hit few years back!!! They been doing it for years and doing it right!
Meh. I'd agree with you if Kahr's magazine design wasn't terrible. My PM9 mags routinely have rounds work their way out in my pocket, and I know that other Kahr owners have this issue as well. Wouldn't be a huge issue, except that I live in MA, where getting caught with a stray bullet (that I missed) in my pocket, in certain areas, could cause major problems for me.
IIDASHII kahr had some issues with their followers... they replace them for free.
JJ Tucson This is not a follower issue. The issue that you are speaking of was with followers breaking. That has nothing to do with rounds falling out.
IIDASHII
Hey, whatever. You are wrong... but call kahr to confirm. No skin off my ass.
LOL. Did you block me, JJ Tucson? Real mature, bud.
Love my CW9 but I really like the short reset on the Shield, may have to get one soon. You won't go wrong with either of these. Good comparison.
I enjoyed this video. You're well-spoken, don't have annoying mannerisms, and you're concise without being curt.
In addition, the wonderful lighting in your video allowed me to get a great look at the guns (i really like seeing small features like grip texture, slide beveling, chamber inscriptions, etc.)
Subbed. :)
I have one of each. I much prefer the Shield, since it has the newer Hi Viz sights (I'm an old geezer) and I prefer the trigger pull. I still like the Kahr, which is easier to disassemble and clean, but I don't shoot the Kahr as well as I can shoot the Shield, mainly due to my ability to manage the trigger. Great video, sorry I'm ten years late here!
I like my kahr but it’s all preference when you’re talking about trigger pull and what not. I saw a video of someone just ragging on the kahr trigger and to me that’s a dumb reason to tell people not to buy a gun cuz they might love that trigger
I have a Kahr CW9 & absolutely Love it! Great for carrying,haven't had any problems with it,it has five hundred rnds through it. Looked at the Shield this passed wkend,felt great,like the sights & the size. It will be my next purchase.
Kahr = Better grip, longer barrel (3.6"), way better trigger. The end. Actually owned a Shield.......horrible trigger & barrel too short (3.1")
Your reviews are what made me purchase my cw9 and I couldn't be happier.
Great job with the information as well as adding your own personal opinions to make it more understandable to old dumb grunts like myself lol. Keep up the great work!
The kahr cw9 is what I carry daily and I love it. It's a great sub compact and very dependable.
I love the Kahr cw9 its very light but strongly built compact 9mm perfect for conceal carry put some hollows I use Federal ammo and she's perfect for everyday carry
There both great. My S&W's are my full size and the Kahr is my carry. I wouldn't turn my nose on both of them.
Thanx, exactly what i was looking for, Kahr and mp comparison.
Good work, Chad. The review is careful and considered, and those two firearms are good competitors for one another.
Good job. I've owned a MK40 from Kahr and currently a Glock 26 and 27. I agree with all you've said. I sold the Kahr, super nice trigger by the way, only due to the 5+1 mag and to consolidate weapon systems to all Glock since my other two carrying guns are the 23c and a 35. I can carry one mag to fit the Glocks.
Thx 4 the fair & informative review vid, C! Both pistils look like winners & will serve their respective owners well. Peace!
Just got my cw9. Loving it so far
Very helpful. If both were on sale, I'd buy the S&W.
Very nice review! Both are fine offerings, but I prefer the Shield. I love this gun, and I can get it for $375 OTD at my LGS. No brainer!
yep, here too, I just dont buy from gun shops around here anymore....I left my reasons on their webpage comments section and quite a few that agreed! Since then, some got the hint but they dont keep much of an inventory, I just go to them and order offline. I am finding that dealers in my area are getting away from selling new guns because there is really not all that much money to be made. They just do used guns and let you use their FFl for new stuff.
Hey you guys do great Videos, I watch before making a purchase!! Thanks for the help!!!
I own both a Kahr and a Shield. Personally, I like the trigger pull on the Kahr. I've been carrying the Shield for years, but having just purchased a CW9 I'm going to try carrying it to see how it feels. As a bonus my IWB Crossbreed holster fits both perfectly so no need to buy a second holster!
Great comparison !! Thanks..
I had traded my Kel-Tec P-11 for partial credit on S&W body guard. The one thing I really liked about the Keltec was that you could get that Clip that would allow you to carry without a holster. For me that clip worked extremly well and made my gun conceal better and carry more comfortably than any gun in a holster. I was saddened because I missed the ease of carrying with the clip. No other guns have clip options. Then I found the clipdraw holster it tapes to the with no messy adhesive.
I just want to say thank you...for the video and info. I'm looking for a small CCW, and my best friend (also a retired military lady) recommended a 9mm. I'm going to the nearby indoor range where I can "try out" different weapons for a $10 fee per each...so that I can get a "what feels right for me" impression. Again, thank you for the info.
I've owned a Kel Tec PF9, Ruger LC9, and I just got the Kahr CW9 a few weeks ago. I have to say the Kahr feels so much better IMO. While I can place my whole hand on the grip, it isn't much taller than either the Kel Tec or Ruger. It feels like a full size handgun but is still very easy to conceal. I'm impressed...and I loved my PF9. The Ruger didn't last long. Just felt too "plasticy." I have no experience with the Shield.
Have both, Love both
I've been debating for a while about this 2 great pistols. I like both of them, my local gun shop is been running out of stock for the shield so I guess thats a positive plus. Khar is a bit more expensive here in Ilinois. However, my all time favorite is my Kimber Ultray Carry II and the S&W Bodyguard for light conceal carry, yeah yeah I know its a .380 but I use Buffalo Bore 100g w it, not a super stopping round but its all about bullet placement and double tap defensive shooting. Thanks!
The clip draw peals right off with no mess and it hooked up to my bodyguard frame perfect. They show alot of them installed on the slide,I don't like that because it kind of pushes the gun out of battery. It would also tape on to the frame of the Shield perfectly and make it one of the easiest to carry guns ever. I was nervous about how well the tape would hold but it has held strong for since I bought the body guard the first month they realeased, so almost a year. It is still holding strong.
Got rid of my Nano and cannot decide between these two. Thanks for the comparison.
I got both and like them both. my wife uses the shield and I use the CW9
Thanks for the great review!
I would really recommend giving one a try and then reviewing it I will be getting my ordered shield very soon and already have a clip draw universal holster ready for it. They also make one for glock that mounts on with a base plate and screws which i don't have a glock to try and one for a 1911 which Screws on under grip I tried on my 5" 1911 but it moved around alot due to the wieght. They are only like $20 and worth every penny.
You can lighten the Kahr trigger by 2 #s by installing a Wolff 5# striker spring. I carry a Kahr as my EDC and it has been 100% reliable.
lol yup...and thats exctly what I do. I think they got the hint when i asked price and they told me..then i followed that question by asking how much their FFl Fee is. nice thing is that most places around here will transfer for free.
Great video. But still hard to decide between the two.
I own a Shield and a P9.
Honestly I really like them both. If I had to choose between the two I would pick the Kahr. I love the ergonomics of the Kahr and the trigger for a carry pistol. Just my opinion.
Great Review! Thanks
I hated the trigger on the Shield so the first thing I did was install an Apex tactical trigger kit, which made a huge difference in the gun. I also own the CW9, and it is my primary carry gun even over the shield and M&P Compact 9mm. Both shoot great but the overall height at the barrel make the kahr a little easier to conceal. As far as the safety on the Shiled, you can install a small shim and lock it into the off pisition. My trigger finger is my primary safety!!!
Kind of hard to do when that version isn't offered in CA.
I own many of them.
CW9 owner and I absolutely love this gun.. just had to buy an extra magazine..besides that i love the feel of this gun and no safety!
The Kahr is actually shorter by 0.2 inch, and the barrel is longer by 0.4 inch. The Kahr is lighter. However the CM9 is more concealable by quite a bit at the cost of one round of capacity.
Where did you guys go? Just discovered the channel and you have great comparison videos.
Thanks for the information. What is the weight comparison between the CW9 and the Shield? What is the difference between the dis-assembly? Are there advantages in recoil? What about the finish?
real nice review which gun would u suggest for ccw carry for edc m&p shield, kahr cw9, or glock 26 i am 5"11/165 and i want it to conceal really well even in summer clothing
Great videos, I am very interested in getting the shield, but wants one in 40, do you have any time and video with one of those?
Great Review Thanks... It appears that you can get Truglo sites for the Shield but not the CW9. That may be a deciding factor for me.
You are the first person I have ever heard say say that. Let me help you with a quote from Wikipedia. "Rear sights are usually mounted in a dovetail on the barrel or receiver, closer to the eye of the shooter, allowing for easy visual pick-up of the notch. Front sights are mounted to the barrel by dovetailing, sweat soldering, screwing, or staking close to the muzzle, frequently on a ramp."
I really like the sw shield over glock but I wood like to know if they have bigger mags like 15 20 shot.
USMC veteran here in California.
These are the same exact ones I've been looking at on budsgunshop.com.
Good stuff. Just subscribed.
You are quite correct. I don't know what I was thinking. Sorry about that.
Just paid 199 for a used "Very good" condition cw9, just waiting for it to hit my FFL. Talk about a steal!
Hey Chad I have a Bersa BP9CC and my buying a shield 9 and a kahr cw9 I want to cancel one which do prefer give me some advice
Turners outdoors has the cw9 for 299.99 wht do you guys think should i get it. It's a two-tone color blocking the bottom gold on the top.
Chad. Great vid. Thank you. Where do you get those really great prices?
Right now the 7 round and the 8 round magazines are all that fit the Shield 9mm, 6 & 7 rounds for the .40S&W. The 8 round magazines are just about impossible to find at this time.
I have one an love it!
Which handles recoil better if the Shield has the extended mag? I'm leaning towards the CW because of the lack of safety.
i appreciate the info man ..you gotta new subber bro and many thanks :)
Wow small world I watched your video on the bersa 380 cc so long ago and now this and did not realise you are a NW shooter too, just subscribed and looking forward to more vids still want to trade my bersa 380 for the Cc or sell for that m&p sheild nice vids man
I have a CW 45 that has a problem with consistently firing a cartridge. Using various factory ammo it will not detonate random rounds leaving a light mark on the primer. By loading by hand a primed empty case it will detonate the Primer each time. I have used 3 difference Kahr factory magazines with the same random results. It is an older model Kahr. I have had the trigger components replaced but have not resolved. The slide assembly is original. It was completely examined and appears to be in order. The firing pin assembly is correct and no one can find anything out of order. Random detonation still occured even with a new barrel, trigger assembly and springs. I am totally befuddled with this problem. Can anyone please advise as to what may be the cause?
Thanks
Mike L
Put trijicon sights on the Kahr it will set it off nicely
Kahr trigger is long but not heavy. Smooth and meant to feel like a DA
Well Dang I spoke too quick...didn't know you were going to compare the Shield to every gun out there LOL....still say the CM9 would be a good comparison CW9 is bigger. Great reviews!
Thanks for the insight. Before the madness of the last 6 months I was waiting to get my hands the M&P Shield. still haven't seen one in any store in CA I've been shopping in. Had the chance just yesterday to buy the CW9. I originalyl wanted an M series but don't want to pay that kind of cash. The prices are crazy! Anyhow, thanks for the review and I really enjoyed the one where you guys attempt to show the better accuracy and duel it out in an almost exact target match up!
have u ever shot the cw 40 i am looking to by a all american made easy carry 40 ? any one else have eny experiance withe the 40 ? thanks
Damn! I got mine for $412 two weeks ago, brand new!
loved the video! fun to come back and watch it, See that both are under 400 bucks. Now you can't even find these in stores where I am and all the sites are selling them for 550 and 600 dollars used. Cracks me up what goons people are.
The long heavy trigger on my Kahr pistol breaks at 5#. There is no creep, roughness, or stacking. It feels like the finest S&W DA revolver trigger.
Old video. I bought a cw9 when they first came out. Paid 400 for it. You can find them new under 300. I like the Kahr triggers for carry. I also think the kahr dao will help you become a better shooter since there is no wall.
The Kahr is underrated I love the reliability and its not a boat anchor like my 1911....which I love too but its too big.....woods yes concealed it's a challenge
I don't think you say "I don't have a safety, I'm going to shoot myself." There are LOTS of gun experts that have accidentaly discharged a firearm through no fault of their own. If you read my post, you'll notice it was a relative scenario: it's far more likely you'll shoot yourself vs not be able to use your gun due to the safety.
I'm in a tough spot. I can get a shield for 420 or cw9 for 325 with a holster and ammo :/ i like both however i really want the shield but it is a bit more than i would like to spend. Would the cw9 be a good substitute?
I have the P9 which is very similar to the CW9. It is a great gun, and has never given me a single problem in many years of carry. I have only dry fired the Shield and I liked the trigger. I like the Kahr trigger too. I know several people that carry the Shield and love it. With the extra mag, the shield is 50 dollars more. If I wanted the Shield, I would not let 50 dollars stand in the way. If I did not have a P9, the Shield would be on my short list. I really like the XDS9 for some reason, but it is more money. Where I am, the Shield is under 400, 389 I think.
Wow only $379 for the shield at Bull's eye? Was that a special price or anything? I'm up here in king county and might have to make a trip down there :)
im stuck between a ruger sr9c or the Kahr ...what do you think is a better choice for ccw
I own both and like the Kahr better for concealed carry cause it's so much thinner... Also easier to carry spare mags cause they are also much thinner... The SR9c is a great gun, very accurate and reliable... Just boils down to if size or capacity is more important.
WOW that is nuts, I paid $419 at Bass Pro Shop!
Just make a trip to Spokane. I got mine today for $399.
I love this "in the heat of the moment you can't operate your safety" argument. As though that extremely unlikely circumstance is enough to buy a gun on. As compared to that scenario, it is FAR more likely that you accidentally shoot yourself because you don't have the safety.
Question I just bought a cw9 new and mine doesn't dry fire like your did in the video do I have a issue with mine or what
I can't believe ppl buy guns and don't know the function of it at all! That's so scary to me, get some training if you don't know guns and how each one should function!!!!! Damn!!!!
+olvera6710 dont go anywhere, I'm getting a refill on my popcorn.
Would you recommend the shield for a woman? How hard is it to pull the slide back?
My brother has a regular m&p9 and it's a little difficult for me to pull it back. I was wondering if you know if this one is any easier?
The Shield has a fairly easy slide pull. Use the over-the-top technique when racking and you shouldn't have any issues.
John Bruce Thanks!
I own the shield 9mm and my wife ,tiny woman only weigh 110 lbs can pull the slide back on the Shield but not on a Glock 22.
Get a walther ccp has a gas piston system so a very light recoil spring
The Kahr P9 is a better pistol, same specs as the CW9... but if you add night sights, the price comes out to be very close (NS not available on the CW but would be around $100 installed on most pistols for mid-range quality)... and add the match grade Lothar-Walther barrel, 2nd mag and upgraded slide machining... no brainer. Mine is the Black Diamond version... love it!
Yeah and the P9 is significantly more expensive, like $350-400 more. The CW9 is a much better value for essentially the same firearm. Yes the P9 has better barrel rifling and some minor esthetic upgrades but that hardly justifies the price
No, not one single person has EVER "accidentally" discharged a firearm "through no fault of their own." The term is negligent discharge, not accidental discharge.
As to the "relative scenario," every person who has been in a live fire situation says the difference between that and just practice is worlds apart. Your reactions are totally different and you never know how. It is actually not uncommon to forget to switch off a safety. The best safety on any gun is between the shooter's ears.
Heights with the normal magazines in would have been the main comparison lol
Very good comparison of these handguns. Excellent, helpful video! Thanks!
Dunno if it will make a difference for people but the Kahr has a 3.5 inch barrel with almost the same slide length while the Shield has 3.1
The Shield wins because it has a Glock like trigger with a distinct reset making it easier to shoot fast.
Great review, as always. Thanks. I'd love a review of the Walther PK380 vs the M&P Shield 9mm. I love my wife's Walther (except the safety is upside down), comfortable, shoots great, (47 rds fired, 44 hits, 1 graze, 2 close misses last wk @ range, 7 yds) conceals better than my M&P45Compact. I plan to buy a Shield for edc. She carries a M&P Bodyguard380. It's okay, but I find it harder to shoot.
Recoil on the CW9 is a little less snappy then the M&P. CW9 fits me better.
*meant to say order online...
I have two kahrs and love them. But you have to carry condition one. Its hit or miss if they will slingshot the first round. If you wont carry that way get the shield.
Tim S that is the reason I will sell the kahr and get a shield. It's so stupid. Seriously karh? They can't get that right? Like every other gun on the planet except kahr.
@Tim S & @shamitoson: Kahr pistols are known to be built to close tolerances. If you know anything about guns, you want them to be tight. For that reason, some new pistols need a break-in before you can slingshot the slide to load a round. Shouldn't be a big deal since the slide release is there for that purpose -- and is quicker. So, why not use the slide release?
Kahr pistols are designed to be safely carried in Condition Zero. What's with carrying in Condition One??? I'm not aware that Kahr installed a manual safety on any of their pistols -- unless you're in communist MA or CA???
Condition One = round chambered, full magazine, hammer cocked, safety on.
Rio Lobo my kahr has around a thousand rounds through it, maybe more as it was previously owned and still won't slingshot. You want tolerances soo tight the gun doesn't function like every other gun? If you carry it with one in the chamber then it's perfectly fine. The size of the gun is awesome. It's just frustrating it doesn't function like it should. Why must everyone make excuses for it? I know how to use it. It says so in the manual. It just seems like a design flaw. If you have to train differently for the guns idiosyncrasies, then it's not well thought out.
If your Kahr pistol can load a round by using the slide release, then it is functioning as designed. I have 4 Kahr pistols: P45, 2 - PM9s and a CW9. None of them slingshot easily. The slingshot must be brisk if attempting to load that way. You would never want to load a round by easing it into the chamber.
Train differently? Loading a round with the slide release is by the book, and is the only way to assure that the round pushes past the extractor, and becomes firmly seated in the chamber. The casual slingshot doesn’t give you that assurance and can lead to light primer strikes and/or failure to extract.
What model do you have? What ammo and bullet type are you using? Have you attempted a very brisk slingshot -- by pulling the slide all the way back (not 90% -- all the way -- it may be difficult if you have the small 380, or 9, or a stiff recoil spring) and letting it slam home? Small pistols are difficult for many people to slingshot. Also check the magazine lips and the follower for any abnormalities, rough surface, cuts, metal scraping, etc. You may have gotten some bad mags with the used gun.
Rio Lobo I don't mean to start an all out war. Clearly you like Kahrs. It is a nice gun. I have the pm9. I like to carry empty and slingshot a round in the chamber If needed. Which is likely never. That's why we carry guns in the first place. I have had no problem what so ever once the first round is chambered, by using the slide release. While the gun functions perfectly if you carry one in the chamber, I don't care to do so. Maybe I'm not experienced or proficient in carrying firearms as you. I'm almost 40 and I've shot guns since I was 6. I do have some experience in handling pistols of many calibers. I'm simply pointing out to the potential buyer that the kahr pm9 is quit finicky. Which is why this "problem" or "issue" is stated over and over again in the gun community. It isn't for nothing. I have multiple firearms that I can take out of the box and rack however I want and they will chamber the round. The kahr, guaranteed fail. So in my personal experience with Glock, Sig, Smith, and Ruger, I've never handled a gun where this slingshot method doesn't work. Except the kahr. Maybe I got a faulty one, but the repeated reports of this happening for other kahr owners makes me believe this is not a fluke. Seriously, I wish it was. The gun is awesome. Smaller then the competition. Great look with the chrome on black, way better sights then a glock. Smooth double action trigger pull, if you like revolvers, I do. I just think it's well worth noting to a potential buyer that this gun has its issues. To a new shooter looking for a concealed carry 9mm, I would say look elsewhere. If yours can chamber a round by slingshoting, Damn I'm jealous. It would be the perfect CC if mine could. Maybe I do just have one that doesn't want to break in. Oh well. Mine will be for sale.
my local dealers are trying to get $600 for the CW9...LOL! I guess I sould not be supprised though, they also say $650 is a good deal for a Glock :O!
Chad, you did a great job showing the trigger pull on each pistol, can you comment on the reset of each, and maybe show it in future videos?
$329??? There $459 here in bend, Oregon at sportsmans warehouse , how did I get it so cheap?
You seriously need to call them out big time, I just bought a new CW9 today for $360 + tax O.T.D.
don't worry, they know my stance on their extreme markups, I made it very clear that there are PLENTY of other shops that aren't as bad, and that my money will go to them. There are many other issues with that place.
I agree with you chad, carry gun-no safety needed. Kahr is my choice
IS that with tax or no?!
Im a Kahr fan better looking simpler to clean and maintain
In California both those guns cost $469.00 each
dude, i got my shield for 320 at rifle gear in socal
Karh is $350 at Turners in LA
superchrisbeatz1 I believe that's full blown retail. The Kahr is 450 retail
You missed the fact that the barrel on the CW9 is quite a bit longer than the Shield for the same length gun -- like 1/2". Kahr is also lighter by a couple ounces. Further, that safety on the Shield ignores Left-Handers, but you can flick it off with a left trigger finger; however engaging the safety for a left-handed shooter just plain sucks. Please! Stop whining about the magazine difference -- just buy an additional mag for the Kahr and stop repeating it over & over!
Good video. I've seen several videos here about the Shield and they all are in agreement as to how great a a gun the Shield is. There's been so many independent reviews of this gun that are very favorable I think I'm going to go get a permit to buy one. Aside from all of the great features that it has, it's very affordable which in this day and age that's an important factor.
Just brought a cwp for 292.00 brand new think I got a good deal.
from were?
You are mixing up front and rear sights. The front sight is closest to you when you are shooting it, rear is at the muzzle end.