@Asa Harley Because I'm sure that everybody watching this video would just fucking *love* go hack someone else's social media account. Thanks a million for the comment gooch and a good laugh, whoever you are
I've got a similar one. About 64, the darker finish, this one has a glued in neck. It was my dad's, he was a folk player. Beautiful instrument, it plays like butter. He was good friends with Don Teter, its had a lot of work over the years, many decades ago. Great vid, Dave, thanks for doing this one.
I read "Vintage" in the title as "Vantage" and thought for a second that the owner of those Vantage basses was now just screwing with Dave by continually dropping off Vantage guitars and basses off at his house.
Hey Dave! Great stuff tonight! You remind me of my good friend, Marc McElwee, who designed all the Travis Bean aluminum neck guitars in the 70s...He has taught me a sxxxt load of guitar repair over the years and you and he have a lot in common in your approach and banter!
I bought myself a 12 string Framus too and it shows it is a really good guitar that sounds really good. The laminated bolton neck is very good and still straight. The neckpocket is very rough and I did not think it would work at all and that the guitar would sound like crap but hell no it did not. Instead of doing any big repairs I just made a wedge out of three playing cards that I cut in three different lenght and glued them together with superglue. Then I made the screwholes for the neck in the cards with a punch put the guitar together made sure all the neck and all the rest of the screws on the bridge where tight and strung it up. I made sure I did not overtight any of the screws though. I tighten the trussrod but a 12 string necks is under heavy load so it will go in to a bow after some time so I will have to adjust it at least one more time. I tune it in open G which looks to work and sound really interesting. I do not play slide on it but use a pick or play with my fingers.
I got a Framus Texan 6 string that someone had rescued outta the trash. At some point, a heavy boot had apparently met the sound board with some force! But all the parts were there.... Over a l-o-n-g time, I made a new top, using the splintered one as a pattern and fixed up various other fractures that the afore-mentioned boot had caused. It was just a let's-see-if-I-can project but I'm glad I put the time in. These Frami (plural for Framus?) are really nice guitars! I dig your content, Dave!
I have a near identical Eko ranger 12 - to play it 'd need fingers with the force of those grips - I don't smash it pieces with a hammer cos I've hated it for so long that I'd miss hating it
The Eko ranger looks very similar but was made I Italy I've had mine 48 years and apart from a few battle scar's it still plays and sounds good (though very quiet, very thick top!) I spilt glue on the scratch plate so I sprinkled glitter on on it (trendy in the seventies) to hide the glue that was eating away at the pickguard. Keep it tuned down to D these days...👍
@@billmumbo2697 These European 12s are good. listen to early Genesis. All that string tension pulls the top up, but if you shim the neck pocket with one of those stiffners from a shirt collar it brings it back down again. That was received wisdom in the 70s, I wonder what Dave would make of that? I keep my 12 downtuned too, Drop C.
Nope they used a Framus Hootenanny guitar, tail piece is different and no zero fret...so not "the same exact model"...more misinformation. instagram.com/p/BLzf4gvhJp4/?epik=dj0yJnU9MXdSNXVOeGt1TWx0Sjh2ZVVFcmpma0hkS1pJeVBISDcmcD0wJm49WWd2NGNweGhnbXFrNUZtNnFuM3dwQSZ0PUFBQUFBR0JRYUFj
I have a very early 1950s Framus 12 string. It has the same headstock inlay and a zero fret but not the stylized bridge and pickguard - just a normal bridge and pickguard. I have no clue if it's worth a lot of money or not. I got it from a colleague many years ago, who got it from his professor at Cambridge university, who got it new in Germany. The quilted arched back is gorgeous. For an old 12 string acoustic, it has a very flat, straight neck with nice low action. I have never seen another one - only these later models.
Rare as $1 bills! These were good instruments in their day but there's tons of them. Everybody had Framus guitars. They were cheap and plentiful. Still are. If they can't be fixed they make great canoe paddles or shovels. I've owned a student model and a 6 string jumbo.
I have a six strings guitar who looks like to this one. It's a Klira made in west Germany. It seems that this guitar is a "big valley" from 1972. I used to play with it, it's my only accoustic guitar.
Lennon played a Framus 12 string on Polyethene Pam and She Came in Through the Bathroom Window. They played both songs together with no edits. You can hear it in the famous opening chords and in the mix. He could have bought the best 12 string guitar in the world but no, he just used his beloved old Framus .
I bought an early 70s 6 string model of this guitar for about $6 at a car boot sale a few years ago, the label inside reads “ made in the heart of Bavaria “. Most of the fittings are exactly the same as your 12 string including the massive over engineered bridge. The guitar is built like a tank with internal braces that could hold your roof up. It’s certainly not anything like a Martin or Gibson but it’s fun to play occasionally.
Tesla was quite the inventer/genius. He once opined, "you don't know what you got til its gone." Or was that Edison? Maybe Cinderella? So many great inventors.
Dave your my Hero, you fixed that tuners with patients. I would still been online trying find new tunes, woder what locking tuners on 12 string acoustic
Hi guys, I had the pleasure of working on one of these in the past year. Cool guitar indeed. The one I worked on was about the same year, surely the same model. It had exactly the same issue with the decorative deal on the headstock. Good news it's still available new. Around 60-80 usa. Its brass. Shouldn't have turned to dust tho lol..
@@santrixhimself3679 ... because only having 6-strings that can be strung helps with tuning ... having dealt with the neck-dive issues ... Yes. I understand that you are 'being sensible', but not everyone is like that ...
I would have pulled the plates off, rested on my anvil face, and used a punch to pein the backside until it was straight. Oh gack...at least a c-clamp Dave!
I grew up in Germany, when Framus still existed as a company. I always preferred their (smaller) competitor Hoyer over them in terms of build quality. A luthier who built me a 12-string in the 80s did his apprentice time there. He always had fun horror stories about their late 70s before they went bankrupt (they blamed it on Japanese guitars but I heard that mismanagement was the true reason). However their more expensive builds were good, such as the Jan Akkerman and the Attila Zoller guitar models. Ahhhhh, I remember those laminated necks - they actually almost never warped ...
On those tuner plates, I'd probably remove them, and try to either clamp them flat in the jaw of a small vise, or peen them flat against an anvil. You could even go a little concave on it, so it flattens when reinstalled. Problm is, you need to go a touch past flat to get them to lay flat.
@@richardlewis1243 Thanks for your reply Richard. I Googled non ferrous screws for electric guitars but couldn't find anything relevant. Do you repair guitars or how did you come to believe that non magnetic screws make a difference? With all the magnetism of the average set of pickups, I wouldn't think magnetism in the screws would make any difference. And this Framus is an acoustic guitar. Anyway, let me know what you know because I'm interested.
Those style tuners are available online for cheap, if you don't mind altering the "originality." Can't promise the screw holes would match, either, but once that metal has reached that level of fatigue...
Yo Dave, first time watch your show. Love it. I have a question. Just retired after 45 years of finish carpenter. I want to make a guitar. Of course everything metal I will have to source out. But l found a site where I can buy slabs of maple, mahogany, so on. I'm not sure what the water continent should be. But inside of buying a cheapo kit, I guess what I'm asking is should I get a kit first . But I want to try from scratch. Even though I'm retired seems like I'm still lacking time. What do you think?
Do a.kit first and watch Rosa String Works Jerry is building a 12 string at the moment he shows the process from blocks of wood to finished playing instrument, wish I could afford one.
Another great resource is manufacturers shop tour videos. A recent PRS Private Stock vid mentioned their target moisture percentage, of course I can’t recall it.
I have had an almost identical Eco 12 string sitting around waiting to be repaired for way too long. The tuners need replacing, and are hard to find. I'll have to read up on the similarities to Framus. Btw, the frets on the Eco are aluminium, what a stupid idea!
Dave sometimes it feels like you're about to just start yelling out a lot of cuss words and throw the guitar, but no you keep your cool and fix even the shittiest ones..
UK are Celsius too, in a mirror image of you, I have no real conception of Fahrenheit as a measurement of temperature. On the flip side of that we use miles (Imperial for a reason) and other than 50kms = 30mph and 80kms being 50mph I can't really relate to that either, mind you I was never any good at maths.
Celsius to Fahrenheit: 9/5+32. And 1.6 km equals 1 mile. I spent nearly 2 decades traveling the world and sometimes it’s the little things that make it easier. Good luck with your conversions!🤠
@@SSRT_JubyDuby8742 LOL… let me see if I can break it down a little easier. Let’s say it’s 20°C… 1/5 of 20 is 4. 9×4 = 36 and 36+32 is 68. Therefore, 20°C is 68°F. Knowledge is power and I try to learn something new every day… I’ve lost most of my eyesight over the past six years or so and I really have to work to keep my brain moving... I have tons of things floating around in my head at all times, some very useful and some not so much. So, even if this is something you never use now you at least know how to do it and it’ll be a little piece of trivia to keep your neurons firing on all cylinders. All the best to you and yours!
Many a year ago I had a Framus J-bass "copy". It was absolutely awful to play and sounded awful. I tried to look it up just now and can't find anything on the particular model but I figure it was probably made around the time they went bankrupt which I feel was entirely justified.
Framus 12 string acoustic = Crap 💩 They have a tendency to eventually implode on themselves no matter what you do to save them. Especially those bolt on neck versions. The neck pocket block/brace eventually gives way
@@stevenpape2021 no need my EKO has a straight neck with a small amount of relief so has a low action and although quiet (thick top ) and I tune down to D so it plays well even the intonation is bearable and it records well because it has an even response. There's loads of old film of people using EKO,'s including the late great Did Little of Little and Large fame untill he traitorously switched to Ovation!!! .
Like that movie, Almost Framus.
Nice avatar!
@Asa Harley Because I'm sure that everybody watching this video would just fucking *love* go hack someone else's social media account. Thanks a million for the comment gooch and a good laugh, whoever you are
I've got a similar one. About 64, the darker finish, this one has a glued in neck. It was my dad's, he was a folk player. Beautiful instrument, it plays like butter. He was good friends with Don Teter, its had a lot of work over the years, many decades ago. Great vid, Dave, thanks for doing this one.
Everytime you wear the loop shirt i shed a tear. I miss that station so much
Thank You for sharing your videos on repair They are very enjoyable. And helpful.
Blue Max Stringed Instrument Repair
More genius thinking out loud from the legend. Priceless.
I read "Vintage" in the title as "Vantage" and thought for a second that the owner of those Vantage basses was now just screwing with Dave by continually dropping off Vantage guitars and basses off at his house.
That made me laugh bro..
Hey Dave! Great stuff tonight! You remind me of my good friend, Marc McElwee, who designed all the Travis Bean aluminum neck guitars in the 70s...He has taught me a sxxxt load of guitar repair over the years and you and he have a lot in common in your approach and banter!
I see I’m not the only craftsman to repurpose a Shure SM58 microphone bag for small tools, 😎
My SM57 bag is for harmonicas.
I love watching your videos Guitar tech and Guitar luither for life!
I bought myself a 12 string Framus too and it shows it is a really good guitar that sounds really good. The laminated bolton neck is very good and still straight. The neckpocket is very rough and I did not think it would work at all and that the guitar would sound like crap but hell no it did not. Instead of doing any big repairs I just made a wedge out of three playing cards that I cut in three different lenght and glued them together with superglue. Then I made the screwholes for the neck in the cards with a punch put the guitar together made sure all the neck and all the rest of the screws on the bridge where tight and strung it up. I made sure I did not overtight any of the screws though. I tighten the trussrod but a 12 string necks is under heavy load so it will go in to a bow after some time so I will have to adjust it at least one more time. I tune it in open G which looks to work and sound really interesting. I do not play slide on it but use a pick or play with my fingers.
I got a Framus Texan 6 string that someone had rescued outta the trash. At some point, a heavy boot had apparently met the sound board with some force! But all the parts were there....
Over a l-o-n-g time, I made a new top, using the splintered one as a pattern and fixed up various other fractures that the afore-mentioned boot had caused. It was just a let's-see-if-I-can project but I'm glad I put the time in. These Frami (plural for Framus?) are really nice guitars!
I dig your content, Dave!
I have a near identical Eko ranger 12 - to play it 'd need fingers with the force of those grips - I don't smash it pieces with a hammer cos I've hated it for so long that I'd miss hating it
The Eko ranger looks very similar but was made I Italy I've had mine 48 years and apart from a few battle scar's it still plays and sounds good (though very quiet, very thick top!) I spilt glue on the scratch plate so I sprinkled glitter on on it (trendy in the seventies) to hide the glue that was eating away at the pickguard. Keep it tuned down to D these days...👍
@@billmumbo2697 These European 12s are good. listen to early Genesis. All that string tension pulls the top up, but if you shim the neck pocket with one of those stiffners from a shirt collar it brings it back down again. That was received wisdom in the 70s, I wonder what Dave would make of that? I keep my 12 downtuned too, Drop C.
Bloody hell, a Framus. I have an old Framus Mandolin which is lovely. It's not a name I see very often so this was a nice surprise :)
My pal has the ,6 string version of this, good sound and action built like a battle ship .
This is the same exact model 12-string the Beatles used on 'You've Got to Hide Your Love Away'.
How's about it Dave - please play it when you're done with the guitar.
Nope they used a Framus Hootenanny guitar, tail piece is different and no zero fret...so not "the same exact model"...more misinformation.
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Classic Loop FM t-shirt! The radio station in Chicago I grew up with!!
I have a very early 1950s Framus 12 string. It has the same headstock inlay and a zero fret but not the stylized bridge and pickguard - just a normal bridge and pickguard. I have no clue if it's worth a lot of money or not. I got it from a colleague many years ago, who got it from his professor at Cambridge university, who got it new in Germany. The quilted arched back is gorgeous. For an old 12 string acoustic, it has a very flat, straight neck with nice low action. I have never seen another one - only these later models.
does it play? askin' for a friend
The Beatles used Framus guitars every once in awhile. Lennon's was a Hootenanny 5-024. A rare instrument..
Rare as $1 bills! These were good instruments in their day but there's tons of them. Everybody had Framus guitars. They were cheap and plentiful. Still are. If they can't be fixed they make great canoe paddles or shovels. I've owned a student model and a 6 string jumbo.
The Beatles had 1 Framus and it was the Hootenanny. Hasn’t been seen since 1965 and you know why ???? It probably fell apart 🤣
@@joshuaross4644 Lol, probably..!
When the top is pulled up, check the bracing isn't pulled loose. If it is then it's remove the back time. Fun stuff.
I have a six strings guitar who looks like to this one. It's a Klira made in west Germany. It seems that this guitar is a "big valley" from 1972. I used to play with it, it's my only accoustic guitar.
A piece of square stock that fits between those hooks on the tuner plate, but tall enough to be taller than the hooks would flatten the plate.
The neck looks like a really good piece of quarter sawn.
Greetings from Germany, i have old MUSIMA from GDR
Mahlzeit
@@void0094 Mohltied ut Hammorch
Lennon played a Framus 12 string on Polyethene Pam and She Came in Through the Bathroom Window. They played both songs together with no edits. You can hear it in the famous opening chords and in the mix. He could have bought the best 12 string guitar in the world but no, he just used his beloved old Framus .
I bought an early 70s 6 string model of this guitar for about $6 at a car boot sale a few years ago, the label inside reads “ made in the heart of Bavaria “. Most of the fittings are exactly the same as your 12 string including the massive over engineered bridge. The guitar is built like a tank with internal braces that could hold your roof up. It’s certainly not anything like a Martin or Gibson but it’s fun to play occasionally.
"The thing with a 12-string ... the charm is it's out of tune" ... 🤣
Gotta love Dave !
Tesla was quite the inventer/genius. He once opined, "you don't know what you got til its gone."
Or was that Edison? Maybe Cinderella?
So many great inventors.
Joni Mitchell😂
Lolol
This reminds me of my vintage EKO.
Fascinating stuff, Dave :D
Dave your my Hero, you fixed that tuners with patients. I would still been online trying find new tunes, woder what locking tuners on 12 string acoustic
There's nothing like spooging out. :D
Hi guys, I had the pleasure of working on one of these in the past year. Cool guitar indeed. The one I worked on was about the same year, surely the same model. It had exactly the same issue with the decorative deal on the headstock. Good news it's still available new. Around 60-80 usa. Its brass. Shouldn't have turned to dust tho lol..
I have one of these. Great playing and sounding guitars.
good job ....
I had a 12 string just like that back in the early 90's
I've never even heard of Framus but that looks like a really nice guitar. Seems very well made.
I did the Loop radio T-shirt! Memories!
A rare gem, just needs extra TLC, I’ve got faith in you Dave! Kudos from Montreal
Maybe rare but that framus badge don't make it a gem.
the loop. haven't seen one of those tshirts since the 80s.
great job Dave-- Part 3 & 4 will be tuning that 12 string!!!!!!!!!!!!
Unclampulate; My vocabulary expands with every Vid,cheers Dave.
Shame, could've been Framus' best ever "11 stringed" acoustic! Vielen Dank, Deutschland!
Great Video Dave....Nice to see you knocking out so much work again. Cheers Nick (Nickafied Guitars)
I have one of these but the previous owner did a 'conversion' to 6 string which included chopping off the upper half of the headstock
... helped with the neck-dive ... and tuning !
@@Jester-Riddle why would it help with tuning? I would just use 6 instead of 12 strings if i wanted my 12 string to be a 6 string
@@santrixhimself3679 ... because only having 6-strings that can be strung helps with tuning ... having dealt with the neck-dive issues ...
Yes. I understand that you are 'being sensible', but not everyone is like that ...
I would have pulled the plates off, rested on my anvil face, and used a punch to pein the backside until it was straight.
Oh gack...at least a c-clamp Dave!
have at it
@@DavesWorldofFunStuff Send it next time...a collab. Metal is what I do.
I have one of those ... it is more of a cherry sunburst though ... same issues ... the neck is stable and true
No problem Canada
That straight paddle headstock scares me.
Porque?
I grew up in Germany, when Framus still existed as a company. I always preferred their (smaller) competitor Hoyer over them in terms of build quality. A luthier who built me a 12-string in the 80s did his apprentice time there. He always had fun horror stories about their late 70s before they went bankrupt (they blamed it on Japanese guitars but I heard that mismanagement was the true reason). However their more expensive builds were good, such as the Jan Akkerman and the Attila Zoller guitar models. Ahhhhh, I remember those laminated necks - they actually almost never warped ...
Kind of reminds me of the EKO range of acoustics
ive used a nut a bolt and some washers bent em back before
Tiday's ad on your channel- McDonalds new Chicken Sandwich. Maybe its good?
Good job Dave!
More videos like this one where you make repairs, instead of just set ups.👍
On those tuner plates, I'd probably remove them, and try to either clamp them flat in the jaw of a small vise, or peen them flat against an anvil. You could even go a little concave on it, so it flattens when reinstalled. Problm is, you need to go a touch past flat to get them to lay flat.
I had one of these in the late ‘60s. Tuners were always a problem.
I got one of these babes....
Why don't you just use a magnetic tipped screwdriver Dave? No more fumbling with screws ... 😕
Non ferrous screws
@@richardlewis1243 Thanks for your reply Richard. I Googled non ferrous screws for electric guitars but couldn't find anything relevant. Do you repair guitars or how did you come to believe that non magnetic screws make a difference? With all the magnetism of the average set of pickups, I wouldn't think magnetism in the screws would make any difference. And this Framus is an acoustic guitar. Anyway, let me know what you know because I'm interested.
“Get out your tissues, because we got issues”. 😂
Seems like a nice old guitar
Urea is lambs piss I am not kidding they use it to melt snow around Lake Michigan back before I retired
Woe, I thought them salting the roads with beet juice around my Canadian province was strange.
Dave, is that a Chicago Loop t-shirt? Used to be radio station WLUP
Steve and Gary were the best!!
Those style tuners are available online for cheap, if you don't mind altering the "originality." Can't promise the screw holes would match, either, but once that metal has reached that level of fatigue...
I used to have a cat named Framus.
I have one of these.
New jacket
Leave it on the porch
If I could write a hit song on on of those, I'd be rich and Framus! Sorry.
Yo Dave, first time watch your show. Love it. I have a question. Just retired after 45 years of finish carpenter. I want to make a guitar. Of course everything metal I will have to source out. But l found a site where I can buy slabs of maple, mahogany, so on. I'm not sure what the water continent should be. But inside of buying a cheapo kit, I guess what I'm asking is should I get a kit first . But I want to try from scratch. Even though I'm retired seems like I'm still lacking time. What do you think?
Do a.kit first and watch Rosa String Works Jerry is building a 12 string at the moment he shows the process from blocks of wood to finished playing instrument, wish I could afford one.
Another great resource is manufacturers shop tour videos. A recent PRS Private Stock vid mentioned their target moisture percentage, of course I can’t recall it.
@@billmumbo2697
Thanks, Bill.
@@Riverdeepnwide
Thanks River deepnwide
I'll look that P.R.S blog up. P.R..S. is currently my favorite.
@@robertwillett4122 👍🏻 you bet.
PRS also has a video up about making necks. Goldmine of techniques!
Loop tee shirt thats Chicago
Y’know the saying “You can’t polish a turd” 💩 That originates from the Framus factory when the first Hoot 12 came back for Warranty 😉
Small C clamp to flatten tuner plate?
not enough torque
I'm naming my next band "Shwazz". Only we will get the joke, you're all invited to every gig.
The lack of angle in that headstock is disconcerting
"Hydrolyzed collagen and urea" = So....skin and piss, then....
I have had an almost identical Eco 12 string sitting around waiting to be repaired for way too long. The tuners need replacing, and are hard to find. I'll have to read up on the similarities to Framus.
Btw, the frets on the Eco are aluminium, what a stupid idea!
Dave sometimes it feels like you're about to just start yelling out a lot of cuss words and throw the guitar, but no you keep your cool and fix even the shittiest ones..
I have the same model that need some love ... interested?
“Unclampulate it” - from a very old Canadian dictionary????? 😂
UK are Celsius too, in a mirror image of you, I have no real conception of Fahrenheit as a measurement of temperature. On the flip side of that we use miles (Imperial for a reason) and other than 50kms = 30mph and 80kms being 50mph I can't really relate to that either, mind you I was never any good at maths.
Celsius to Fahrenheit: 9/5+32.
And 1.6 km equals 1 mile.
I spent nearly 2 decades traveling the world and sometimes it’s the little things that make it easier. Good luck with your conversions!🤠
Water freezes @ 32 degrees farenheit and boils @ 212.
@@dangolguitartech thanks for trying, unfortunately even the first equation you give makes no sense to me. 🤷
@@SSRT_JubyDuby8742 LOL… let me see if I can break it down a little easier.
Let’s say it’s 20°C… 1/5 of 20 is 4.
9×4 = 36 and 36+32 is 68.
Therefore, 20°C is 68°F.
Knowledge is power and I try to learn something new every day… I’ve lost most of my eyesight over the past six years or so and I really have to work to keep my brain moving... I have tons of things floating around in my head at all times, some very useful and some not so much. So, even if this is something you never use now you at least know how to do it and it’ll be a little piece of trivia to keep your neurons firing on all cylinders.
All the best to you and yours!
@@dangolguitartech cheers, all the best to you and yours too 😁
Tesla would have worked this problem through in his mind, then he would have checked it in the dumpster.
Nice.
Hey Dave, how’s my bird cage?
Dave you get some of the damn screwed up guitars I've seen but do your best to fix them. Us this some kinda Dave's challenge ?
The epiphone texan was a bolt on dreadnought too.
Nope. Set neck. Identical to a Gibson J 45.
Are you sure? I would have thought it was a set neck, just like the Gibson J45 equivalent.
Many a year ago I had a Framus J-bass "copy". It was absolutely awful to play and sounded awful. I tried to look it up just now and can't find anything on the particular model but I figure it was probably made around the time they went bankrupt which I feel was entirely justified.
Cows hooves and piss? Glue
Why would the guitar thank Germany? (Punctuation matters, Dave!)
don't be that guy
Get out your tissues coz we have issues......LOL
Somebody bring something nice to Dave to work on. Working on crap is killing him.
I would love to watch but like always the first I see is an advert for some crap so I move on
Gd that's a racist commercial before the video started
That headstock angle.... just looks shite.
Framus 12 string acoustic = Crap 💩
They have a tendency to eventually implode on themselves no matter what you do to save them. Especially those bolt on neck versions. The neck pocket block/brace eventually gives way
My pal has the ,6 string version of this, good sound and action built like a battle ship .
Slacken the stings and shim the front of the neck pocket.
@@stevenpape2021 no need my EKO has a straight neck with a small amount of relief so has a low action and although quiet (thick top ) and I tune down to D so it plays well even the intonation is bearable and it records well because it has an even response. There's loads of old film of people using EKO,'s including the late great Did Little of Little and Large fame untill he traitorously switched to Ovation!!! .
Sid little bloody predictive text!!!