The ANTI-Linux Article
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- čas přidán 29. 05. 2023
- Brodie did a video about this Anti-Linux Article. Here is my take on it...
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4:05 The city was Munich, the capital of the German state of Bavaria.
According to press releases: The project was started in 2004 and "declared" failed in 2018. In truth, nothing had failed at all, it worked better than expected. But first Steve Ballmer appeared in the then Lord Mayor's office, and even Bill Gates himself appeared there. MS threatened to pull about 3,000 jobs (and with it a lot of tax money) out of Munich if this "ideological project" (as the mayor quoted Gates' statement) is not stopped.
I think there might also be a bit of confusion because the Austrian city Vienna (German: Wien) tried it but abandoned it (that project actually failed). They even made their own distribution called Wienux.
What evidence is there for Gates or Ballmer's influence in this matter? The LiMux Wikipedia article doesn't mention either man, saying only that lord mayor Reiter denied claims by a journalistic group that his decision was personally motivated.
@@Ether_Void You are right. Only the Wienux Distro was much less popular, and outside of Austria nearly unknown in comparison to LiMux (Linux Munich). A typical citizen of vienna would comment this like "Za wos brauch' ma' so an Schmorrn" (equals to "For what do anyone need that"), but that's a complete different topic :-)
Great information. Thank you for the clarification and it doesn't surprise me one bit given the anti-competitive nature of Microsoft and the lengths they go to for control.
It should also be noted: Google has their own custom internal spin of Linux they use campus wide and it has no external distribution. They have done this for 10+ years I believe.
Linux has also gone to Mars
Screw bloated wannabe Java sites. Old school self made HTML sites are THE best and I want them back! ❤🙏
semantic HTML FTW. css and transitions should be enough... I am with you...
But but but but... Facebook!
OEM's should sell PC's without any OS on it, just to cut the Windows license cost and pass that through to the consumer. In regard to München, it seems to me that they could easily have made Linux work for much longer but there are things like inflexible users who are used to Windows and Windows-programs. For many of us it is hard to imagine, they panick when you switch from MS Office to LibreOffice and all that.
"OEM's should sell PC's without any OS on it" Sure, and Toyota should sell cars without engines.
@@bitcortex1991are you retarded? if you want to use the car analogy, instead of without an engine, you can say without exteriors, like paint job, tires, seats, etc while the engine, like the main parts of the PC, is provided.
The average consumer buys a computer to use it, not to figure out how to install windows (they don't even know the OS is called Windows)
they already do
I remember reading conflicting reports about München as to whether the decisions switch back was more to do with whoever was in charge at the time compared with feedback from the user base.
Much of what's written can be speculation unless it comes from people who work in the organisations and particularly in ICT there.
What surprised me is if anything like UK public sector and was relying on systems like Citrix to centralise applications as well as provide access to staff working remotely, in principle the applications would look and work about the same whether the user was sat in front of a Windows desktop, a Linux-based desktop or a thin client.
It would also mean they could still provide MS Office applications to a subset of users by preference alongside a main non-proprietary offering. This would not require an all or nothing switchover.
What also may have failed is a strategy to adopt non-proprietary document formats because some of these decisions are informed by partners with whom the organisation is most likely to exchange data and files, and what format they work in, rather than long term preservation.
The Balkanization came from his dealings with many of the Linux communities he encountered when looking for help….. the guys who flood comment in bulk with should just use arch comments or equivalent. It’s like they spend their days scanning the internet to be as unhelpful, and domineeringly annoying as possible
As a young guy learning computers, and still as a professional now, I loved to tinker and make everything just the way I wanted. It was honestly less about ever finding a fixed point that was perfect, but more the "love of the chase". I think we need to acknowledge that the variety of Linux distros are probably a way to scratch that itch for the tinkerers out there (both devs and users). Something changed, though, as I became a professional, as reliable productivity began to be an essential need. There are garage cars you constantly tune and are never done tinkering with, and there are daily drivers that get you around.
Daily drivers never please everyone, that's true. What is also true, though, is that you can't tell people who need a daily driver to go tinker and they'll be happy with the results. It's simply misunderstanding the need and trying to make it fit your values. As a general trend, the variation in Linux desktops reflects that devs are more motivated to tinker than standardize, and they just don't want to live in a world where their particular interest isn't optimally addressed. There's nothing wrong with that, it's a free world. But the results are predictable and evident for all to see. The Linux community mostly isn't interested in building a Toyota and uniting around some set of compromises to mainstream the desktop.
The issue is, that a government institution shouldn't be entirely dependent on some foreign company when it comes to managing documents and workflows. Which is why using Microsoft might be fine for an enterprise - they've chosen their doom (I am a software engineer, who participates in this, because companies pay for the migration); but governments? That's calling for a disaster.
Sure, people "know how to use" Windows, but the absolute inability to control updates or mitigate bugs sucks. If it was me though, I'd have never recommended them to create their own distro, because that's usually a stupid thing to do as it requires a lot of maintenance.
Then again I don't think it was ever really about Linux Desktops sucking, but more about Microsoft successfully blackmailing governments and bribing them wherever they can.
Honestly if any of those big corporations were to disappear, I'd never shed a thought, let alone a tear. Except maybe for the low-level employees (but if they're good at what they do, they'll easily find a new employer).
I kinda lean more and more into the FOSS philosophy lately. I'm definitely not a FOSS absolutist, I'm okay with proprietary games and applications (that I can sandbox). But more and more companies (particularly but definitely not exclusively) are making it clear that in a closed source system I have no control over the software or guarantees of privacy. If I want the freedom to use and configure my computer as I desire with guarantees of privacy, only an open source operating system, firmware, and drivers can accomplish that. Firmware and drivers I have to make some leeway on still, but I now consider the openness of them in buying decisions going forward.
Windows' insistence on: intentionally overriding settings (such as update restarts and default browser), telemetry that cannot be completely disabled with confidence (the OS could obscure undisclosed telemetry and custom ISOs are a security no no), and forcing of curated ads to me on a paid product are absolute showstoppers to me. I take the stance of: I own my computer, my OS should let me do what I want, how I want, without trying to hinder me (other than maybe a few safety rails).
I'm a pragmatist so I held my nose and lived with Windows for a fair bit past the point of no return. But now almost every game I want to play is running on Linux (my prior escape plan was going to be get GPU virtualization working and banish windows/gaming stuff in a VM, but Proton outpaced any chance of that by a mile).
I'm definitely not on the proprietary/closed = evil train...but I've come to the stance that some things should be FOSS, particularly anything that lets me use my hardware in whatever manner I please (and honestly internet browsers as well). I even kinda lean more and more to the community should be able to demand source for abandonware (as in discontinued sale and support), but that's not a hill I'm ready to die on.
I was pretty hardcore into the FOSS philosophy before. Even joined the Church of Emacs and considered buying an FSF membership. Now I'm not so much into FOSS itself, but more a huge advocate of source-availability, as I believe that it is the right of every sapient being to look into how anything and everything works if they wish - even if those things are others. However, this stuff is tempered by the knowledge of how the world unfortunately is right now, which I why I still use youtube and other highly unethical sites (though I make sure to block all ads on them and otherwise refrain from promoting or supporting them), and why I still listen to music from my favorite artists and use x86 hardware, etc.
Eventually, it should be feasible to only use hardware that assuming I have the money to buy/make the equipment, I could reconstruct from scratch, to only listen to music that the project files, raw recording files,etc. are available for, to only buy food that I could make from scratch if I just put in the time and had the right environment,etc. for, to only watch videos that all the raw footage,etc. are available to me, to only use wireless networks to communicate with people halfway across the world for which the entire infrastructure has all the schematics, source code, notes on,etc. available for, and so on. But that time unfortunately seems far away, so I do what I can nowadays while still meeting my needs.
@@MH_VOID It's important to understand a lot of companies who do Open Source do not care about Free Software, they would choose licenses that allow them to make it closed source later. And Linux UEFI Secure Boot depends on Microsoft, which is a scary situation, because all PCs come with UEFI (as we all get more security conscious, we depends on these features for a secure system).
"particularly anything that lets me use my hardware in whatever manner I please (and honestly internet browsers as well)"
It's actually really scary how much of a mono-culture we have now, it's only the engine in Chrome and the engine in Firefox we have now and Firefox is losing market share and very much depends on the money from Google. Mono-culture is bad because of security.
As I posted in the Brodiesphere, Linux is a way of computing, not a unified product like Windows or MacOS. The whole point is freedom to make your device into whatever TF you want it to be, and not be treated badly for it. If people cannot find apps, they are not looking in the right places.
They might find an application, that sort of gets the job done. However: why settle for something, that requires you to learn in order to get things done, if you can use something, that gets the job done well without you having to learn stuff anew?
Sure, Microsoft sucks and most closed source programs, especially the paid ones, IMO suck, because they aren't free (so basically from an ideological point of view), but people, who need work to be done, don't care about that and probably never will.
I for instance don't mind paying for IntelliJ, even though I could use VSCode or Eclipse. But I do dislike Microsoft (and Apple), because they're often essentially forcing you to use their applications wherever they can due to vendor lock-in. My wife doesn't mind Windows; she probably won't mind Windows 11 either and I can't blame her since she doesn't really care about the ideology behind free software (and she knows how to install everything from scratch). Unless it's gonna cost her (and me) money per month - then she'll start wanting to switch or pirate the stuff.
My system works. I don't play video games and I ain't a large business so there is no reason to deal with Windows. For this I feel very lucky.
I play video games, and I don't deal with windows, a lot of good games run well on Linux for me.
Now you just need to deal with broken stuff coz of some package update :)
@@ankur-dhama Well, I personally use snaps and flatpaks for most of my programs, and those snaps/flatpaks come with their own libraries, and needed versions included, so I never had to deal with broken packages or library version missmatches.
And the system itself never broke due to OS update yet. Not saying it cannot happen, but hasn't yet.
@@Eimantasks Not being a great nerd I just use the Debian/Ubuntu type distros and never have a problem as long as I stick to the repositories. Perhaps Ankur is full of it.
@@ankur-dhama like windows cant just nuke itself with some random update that came out of nowhere, ive windows update break everything twice already, not counting the times it just borked something that used to work then just stopped after a windows update
Time is on Linux's side. It's constant improvement in many ways will get it on more desktops over the long haul just like it did in the server space. The corporate user management tools will come over time. I think the fairly recent popularity of immutable OSes is definitely one of the advancements that will help the average user/corp have a stable and secure environment across upgrades.
Gaming is kind-of having its break-through moment with SteamDeck/SteamOS (an immutable OS) and it is introducing many younglings to Linux. It had taken a long time to get here, but Linux has time, and it is not going away. The draw of Linux is that it will always be what YOU want or make it to be.
I write. Linux is my ideal because it isn't constantly throwing system maintenance issues in my face while I'm working. There's no advertising presenting itself every time I look sideways at the desktop. I don't have to maintain security software. It runs very fast on all of my laptops, from the least to the greatest. I don't have to do anything except power up and write. I am very thankful to Linux for freeing me from the boat anchor of Windows, and I think it was just in time since I would almost guarantee that Windows 12 will have embedded AI. More monitoring and telemetry, anyone?
LOL, did you seriously say that parts of the Linux community aren't at war with each other? VI vs Emacs? KDE vs Gnome? GTK2 vs GTK3 even? Any of these ring a bell? Hell What about Wayland vs Mir.
LOL
A lot depends on your needs. Mine are very basic, and I was using Firefox and Thunderbird to begin with. Moving to Ubuntu was therefore easy. My main system is i7 from year 2011, which "windows" might not still support.
5:40 I don't go hard on free software and open source but to me it's more of a right to repair and ownership thing. I agree that it is probably a necessary evil as everything moves to subscriptions only and software locks that make life more difficult.
Subscriptions are the reason why a lot of software is still being pirated. Just look at Adobe. They frequently don't even fix bugs let alone introduce must-have Features into their applications ever since they switched to this PoS type subscription model. Most people were happy to buy an application for even a few thousand dollars once than having to pay for it every month not knowing which clusterfuck to expect tomorrow (e.g. PANTONE colors being removed).
The old saw, "... you can't please all the people all the time". There will always be nay-sayers on any topic trying to prove their take on any given subject. When in truth all the OSs, Linux, MS, Mac work, they just work differently. For my take, I enjoy/love learning that differently. And I just roll with the punches. I have my take on things and others have theirs. At the end of the day, "don't mean nothing".
I have used Linux on and off for a while. The last time I used Linux was for eight months until recently. I mainly used it for programming, drawing, recording, editing videos, live streaming, and playing games like Apex Legends. However, I found many things in Linux to be inconvenient. Eventually, I switched back to Windows, and I still prefer it more
@@guitarszen No it means they value their time and don't want to waste it on stupid BS and are choosing to use the right tool for the job rather than trying to force the wrong tool to do the job.
I think the only real major argument on why Linux Desktop will never really catch on, is just normal people. Parents, Grandparents, workaholics etc. Telling them, with no help from family or friends, to install and adapt to Linux just isn't going to happen. I always compare it to the normal car owner. Most people have absolutely no idea how their car works, just that it works. They don't even know how to change their oil. Heck, some people don't even know how to refill their windshield washer fluid. Linux would have to dumb itself down and basically make it self a Windows clone before those type of people will use it. Those type of people are also the majority of home desktop users. Linux is great, but, it is and is what it is situation.
If you give parents, etc. a working Linux machine, they can work with that just fine. In my experience the number of issues they had is similar to Windows.
what is this self hosted bookmark thing ? i need something like this
that's an rss reader, it's called fresh rss
@@barry5 thanks
3:52 Afaik. The French and SoKor governments have also switched to Linux.
I believe Balkanization does exist. packaging formats and DEs are noncompeting with each other.
What Linux needs is a poster child, Right now there is simple a wide spread of everything. And as long as this continues there will never be any kind of traction for the desktop. You need a poster child to attract enough attention and interest and once you are in the door, then give all the options you can. Maybe this come as a result of SteamOS hopefully.
The question is why there is no common effort to push linux on the desktop. The 3 big players, RHEL, Ubuntu, Suse, probably have the power to do so, but maybe it is not where the money is (the desktop)
Linux has a lot of distros, yes, but they reinforce each other without forcing everyone into a one-size-fits-all compromise.
Linux's problem has always been they don't have a product on physical store shelves that works out of the box, without issues for the non-technical majority.
bro made his web page in front page 98
The one part of this article I do not agree with is regarding fear or hatred of change. It's true, people won't consciously switch from Windows to Linux, but the greatest barrier is NOT the user, but the company selling the computer. What does that computer have on it? Windows. That's why hardly no one is using Linux. OEMs don't put it on their machines.
I like when NA high horses call something balkanization and dunno nothing about history of that part of world
"i don't care if you put me in to a Ubuntu" Chris 2023 ... but Chris you said that they is the Devil???
I'm kind of weird, but how many sites have Windows and Mac freeware/shareware again?? The free software culture is tired of proprietary formats locking users into perpetual payments (M$/A$$le).
To credibility: There is an entire industry that uses desktop Linux as their main OS... the VFX/animation industry. There is even a guidance body called the "VFX Platform" to help facilitate cohesion in the VFX world.
«It'll be irrelevant and abandoned by more developers. I don't think so. I think,... really,... I take a complete different future of Linux where the big dogs like your Microsoft your steam your other people will figure out ways to leverage Linux in a way that benefits them and they can take a lot of their workload over.»
Let's not forget the majority of people owning a phone carrying a Linux based machine in their pocket (even if most don't even know it). Obviously, that's not the "Linux Desktop" but it's still a Linux kernel inside (and can be trivially made to be more Linux desktop like).
Good video.
This article looks like someone pulled it from about 20 years ago, and just edited it to bring it up to date! lol
Lunduk's "Linux Sucks" ring a bell? 😉
I've been using Garuda Linux (an Arch based distro that's as pretty much as easy to install and use as Windows) for gaming and general use for about a year or two. So far I haven't really had a need to boot into Windows.
Every game I've tried so far works fine running through Steam and it's compatibility layer Proton. Even a Vanilla WoW private server client added to my steam library runs just fine, in fact I get higher fps on Linux than when I tried it on my Windows install.
Glad someone influential remembers Germany. I feel like community has forgotten this costly mistake from the days Linux was far worse, yet governments and corporations haven't.
small vendors do have pressure to do only MS. And all vendors certainly did back in the 90s. Yeah, Lenovo and Dell get a free pass to experiment with Linux PCs.... Let's just outlaw small OEMs.
IMO with windows 3.1 being the first Windows I ever used Linux is not any more difficult then XP to use and maintain other then the fact Linux doesn't get the malware XP did back in the day LOL. People should get with the times you can always tell when things are coming from windows users that haven't tried Linux in the last 15-20 years lol
Linux has never been better or more popular than it is right now in 2023. Even gaming is no longer an argument. Games are 99% linux compatible at this point, and the only ones that don't work are intentionally blocking linux through anticheat; and those anticheat programs almost all support linux also, yet most developers will not utilize it.
This part. The only games that dont work are anti cheat games or really old and obscure games/games that are 10 or 15 years old that dont have much of a playerbase to need that much proton work.
Android games are also a big issue on Linux ironically
Best we've got right now is waydroid, but it's a pain to setup and isn't compatible with some games
I'm a Linux desktop engineer for a fortune 500 and yes the core OS is free... but everything to support it is not. For the average user, they don't want to dump the time into it. For corporations, it often costs more than windows per PC because of all the central management software/utilities that you need to support it. Linux Desktop has a long ways to go.
Though the Windows 11 upgrade requirements might make it more worth it to just dump Linux on the hardware and spend the money on training rather than new hardware capable of Windows 11.
@@cameronbosch1213 No, way more cost involved in switching to Linux compared to meeting Win11 system requirements.
@@beltaxxe You'd be surprised how much Windows 11 machines cost...
@@cameronbosch1213 I think you'd be surprised at how much enterprise support agreements cost.
Agreed, the support for the average user is the main sticking point that I see. However, the rebuttal is once all this is setup, it is a far more stable and predictable environment to support and maintain. The conversion cost and getting support setup is a monumental task though.
No major company? I work in AWS and have Ubuntu Linux as my work daily driver. It is supported by our IT.
I'm a Linux user but I keep thinking it's a geek os.
Let's be real, Lenovo make Linux notebooks with the WORST distro that exists, satux linux and it doesn't even have support, o updates, anything.
Saying Linux isn't mainstream is like saying Ferrari isn't mainstream. 🙂
Just as ferraris aren’t accessible to some, Linux also isn’t
@@ParvosGranum Linux is available to all, Ferraris ain't but Linux is.
Just yesterday I gave up on a lambo that I had lying around that I got from reconverting an old porsche I had in my basement after replacing some of it's components...Happens all the time.
Don't forget about android, has lots of users
I watched one of the videos of this guy. Didn't like at all - he looks and behaves like angry preacher. I had feeling, if he was near me and I'm not agree with what he say he would slap me... :D
@Guitarzen 🤣 Yes, it is. You know first impression - if you got bad taste, you never try again...
The responses from the Linux geek community pretty much rests the case the blog author is making lol! I don't really class Chris as a Linux geek per se, and he - grudgingly - accepts there are some well made points, but then cannot help a little bit of inner geek backtracking as the video plays on
Where the blog author nails it is the final paragraph, and my own main problem with Linux,..... namely the lack of standardisation and central management. The only people this is not glaringly obvious to are the tiny percentage of Linux Geeks lol. These people seem to forget an operating system is created for exactly that purpose: operating a system as efficiently, easily and reliably as possible. And that is not Linux. Yet it should be, which is the main point the author makes at the end. The rest of the world, the non geek normies WANT an alternative to Apple and Microsoft on their desktops and Linux has failed them. It's staggering, after all this time, a Linux distro has not made this brealthrough to set the bar once and for all.
Instead, I tune in to Chris, here, every few months, and surprise surprise it's a different distro and different problems. The whole Linux community is like that ancient snake symbol, a cicrcular snake eating it's own tail ad infinitum. As for the rest of us looking in to the Linux geekfest, we are still waiting for that alternative, efficient, easy to use and reliable OS. There's a reason Linux is still at that 2% adoptability. Dismissing this blog post, as even Chris does at the end with a shrug and a "meh", is a sign things are not going to improve anytime soon for Linux adoptability.
Staying power, really? This is just someone talking out of their behind. It's pure non-sense. Linux Mint was founded in 2006 with a functional and proven business model that relies on sponsorships, partnerships, and patrons fiscally supporting it. There is an optimally sized team of developers being paid to work on it and the distribution is specifically tailored at the desktop, not servers. It's stable, and doesn't make waves (radical changes that cause problems unlike certain other distributions I'll leave unnamed). There are even third party publishers focused on maintaining non-technical user introductory documentation, aka physical printed books (Linux In Easy Steps) and yet many other parties as well for online documentation.
There is also a significant player in the GNU/Linux space sponsoring Linux Mint. ThinkPenguin has the largest selection of hardware tailored to GNU/Linux in the world and makes sure everything in its catalog "just works" in GNU/Linux and Linux Mint for that matter. Not only does everything work out of box, but the company is ensuring that the GNU/Linux community can maintain support for the hardware by focusing on proper free software support. So you won't lose support six months down the road like with some companies targeting GNU/Linux (aka Dell, System76, etc). This level of support beats Microsoft Windows given everything is proprietary and outside of there being a standard (aka the USB mass storage device standard for example) you can be certain that hardware products for Microsoft Windows will all lose support eventually.
At ThinkPenguin there is also support for long term support releases and distributions based off older software stacks. Need a printer that works with Ubuntu 16.04? That's crazy ancient at this point. This is 4 long term support releases ago and 16 short term releases. Not a problem. A lot of support goes even farther back than that! The company also provides toll-free technical support, OS installation/upgrade media, support for unrelated GNU/Linux software and after-warranty support (at additional charge). So if you need help installing some piece of garbage program that doesn't just work you've got that too. The company even offers VPN services with regularly updated documentation for new releases to ensure no one is left to depending on crappy solutions or non-working documentation from VPN providers that often shove crappy proprietary solutions on GNU/Linux users that end up breaking users systems.
4:17 something which people still haven't seem to been able to figure out: move all (custom) applications to web applications and the desktop mostly becomes irrelevant, much easier to support.
5:43 without the 'free software people', we would not have had the choice of Linux, it would not have had the success it does.
What a lot of people don't understand about Linux is that you don't have use it if you don't want to, unlike some other operating systems that could be mentioned.
I like so many things in linux, especially visually. But my main gripe is that there is no microsoft store from where I can rent movies and watch them. Nor do I know of a Netflix program for linux. Or a music streaming program. And since I do not use linux often whenever I do, and I update the system the repositories are outdated. I wish package managers would auto-update the repository adresses upon the start of the update process.
I have a headache now. Thanks,
@@hydranmenace LOL
His article is meh
Linux distros/de are so beautiful like
Gnome kde cinnamon xfce lxqt they look like a decade newer from the de that windows offers because macOS is worse imho
And let’s not talk about privacy
I recently bought zephyrur rog 14 2999 euros came with windows pre installed and like 50 privacy invading apps i got really scared man
They are collecting data from the app that changes the rgb color of the keyboard
I mean wtf for real? On a 3000 euro machine you want to collect my data too so you can make more money f off Asus
There's definitely war between distros... Arch Linux users shit on Ubuntu and others vice-versa all the time. If there's one distros which all linux users used, it would've been the #2 popular, if not #1 OS, both in servers and desktop. Linux is too saturated. I think it would've been better to have 3 distros- Kali for security, alpine for servers, and Ubuntu for desktop/both average or power users. Similar to how Windows power and average users use normal Windows and then we Windows Servers.
Except Canonical has been slowly but truly trying to be one microshit.
Nope
No thanks.
I'll take Mint any day of hr week OR LMDE when it's finally a complete replacement for my needs.
I do my work as an IT support, play games, multimedia, on my pc, laptop and server with linux, all are sincronice with not issue at all... no reason for me to use any micro$oft products. I use Arch btw
Linux Desktop has managed to break basic stuff, like sound functionality, that worked without issue 3 years ago. Also, gaming was working better than, at least for me, then it does now.
That's... The opposite of my experience...
So Linux desktop is like the Windows desktop. Cool.
@@notjustforhackers4252 actually, Windows 11 works great on my system and has support that Linux is only just discussing
@Joseph Norris I've had fewer issues with EndeavourOS / Arch Linux than Windows 11. The main issue is that I can't find a replacement for Adobe Audition or Ableton Live 11's mix recording features. And no, Ardour or Zrythm aren't suitable replacements; I've tried them already... Same goes for Kdenlive; since I have an AMD GPU, that's as good as I can get on Linux...
Though gaming has been good, although on that AMD system, whenever I go full-screen, the system goes white until I exit full screen, and I don't know why...
@@josephnorris4095 Linux works just fine on my system. Go figure.
The Balkanization section is TRUE. You are bias Titus (that's ok too). As a security guy for the past 20+ years I've seen this problem first hand. There's just too many flavors, too many rabbit holes, all creating excessive confusion. Just too much to deal with. Then add in the forking of code and EOS craziness. Take CentOS for example. CentOS has been a mainstay for security platforms for years. Splunk and Exabeam for example. Now we have to migrate off of CentOS since RedHat is no longer supporting its development. So irritating. I deal with stuff like this every day. I would love to flip everything to open source Linux. But until it becomes less chaotic I'm not putting my eggs in that basket.
I would call that fragmentation though, CentOS changed because it was sold and Red Hat was bought by IBM where they gobbled up any forks of the official RHEL. They slowly killed the two forks Scientific Linux and CentOS.
Rocky Linux has an upgrade path if you still have some CentOS 7 servers and is made by the original creator of CentOS.
I don't see too many people at war with each other over distributions except when we get to talking about which is the best... lol. Now that I write this out... maybe it is balkanization, because Arch users generally attack Stable distros as old and Stable distros generally attack Arch as unstable.
I probably should delete this comment, but the Centos history is important.
@@TitusTechTalk now we have distrobox which lets you have a stable base if you wish and still have new versions of programs, so i think that debate is stupid
If you think in 10 years, he is right. 100%. Kids today grow up attached to tablets, using touch based interfaces in faster and faster phones and tablets, even there Linux is failing to catchup... except for Chromebooks, that are the only visible tip of the linux iceberg for kids at school. Heck, they are even taught how to access MS office online in those devices. Desktop OSes for domestic usage are failing... replaced by consoles, and tablets... I have 4 kids at home. If I talk about a "computer" they only speak about the macbook... because it is shinny... and synchs effortlessly with their ipads... Android will be the only successfull Linux and as it is said in the original text: google never speaks about linux when advertising those.
You realize android is basically a Linux distro right?
@@flarebear5346 just as Chromebooks. Linux based. Not desktop Linux.
I don't think many of the article's points work well. gaming is pretty much the only thing Linux isn't capable of, but there are a lot of things that are hard to do in Linux. for instance, do you want to set up your devices so you can read and send text messages, calls, photos, and more between your phone and computer? on windows that's super easy, you open the app, scan the QR code, maybe twice, and it just works. on Apple, I'm not entirely sure how it works because I don't want to spend 2K on a device ill never use but I'm sure it's a similar process. On Linux? Well, the simplest way would probably be KDEConnect if I had to guess, but not everyone runs KDE, so if you use LFCE to save processing power, I don't think it's even possible without a TON of tinkering. and it doesn't help that a lot of people in the community have the mindset of "Linux is for datacenters only idiot" (I've seen that exact quote at least 5 times, and similar quotes with the same effect dozens of times) which, 1. is simply incorrect. Linux is for anyone to use whenever, however, and whyever they want. sometimes that's for datacenters, sometimes that's for IT, sometimes that's cause you don't want Windows spying on you, and sometimes you just want your game to work universally. and 2. is really shooting the OS as a whole in the foot even for those datacenter and IT positions. if we don't get normal users to migrate to Linux then most software isn't gonna care about Linux, more so than right now. but if we get more people using Linux then we can also get the devs to start supporting Linux which means more programs that just work. more users = more devs = more apps = easier for datacenters and easier for users. of course, for Linux to gain more users, we need to find a way, preferably not making a new distro, to get something as good as if not better than Windows for most people. Ubuntu used to try this and I think it worked for a while. now Mint and Pop!_OS are trying it so we need to support these distros as much as possible if we want the OS to continue. of course, this is all my opinion, but I think it's a good one, maybe even the right one
linux is free if you not value your time.
This is second time i am coming across this comment. Smh
@@nishantshokeen4279 it only make it more true
hot take linux desktop sucks.
for most people its just like learning another language i mean i get that most of them just use a browser but the second they need to grab software from new repositories and download deb files on fedora stuff like this will keep windows on top if people want the linux desktop to succeed it needs to be the first thing they learn replacing windows is too much of an effort for most end users and i think that it will stay like that untill institutions teach linux instead of windows in elementary and middle schools
It only sucks if you have a Windows background. Kids these days are more likely to have familiarity with Android, iOS, or ChromeOS than Windows.
@@ordinaryhuman5645 heh?! How many kids do you have at home???? and also, how should this proximity of touch first OSes with a single appstore, improve the relationship they have with Linux that (yet) needs comand line to solve some of it's issues... I fail to grasp. It is pushing them more towards Mac and IOS and Android on the desktop (wait for arm)... for all accounts.
@Guitarzen the issue is people who refuse to learn and i can understand them if people just know how to do things how they know its just their common sense which punishes them and makes people google how to install deb on fedora that they got from steam