Microsoft Helps Linux Adoption
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- čas přidán 10. 07. 2023
- Microsoft isn't hurting Linux Desktop, but it HELPS it! .
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It is been the year of the Linux desktop for me for the past 11 years. And, it is not out of dislike for Microsoft/Windows, it is because as a software developer it is easier to develop on the same O/S that you are deploying to. I spend most of my time in JetBrains products and they work on Linux wonderfully.
There's definitely a reason why Docker Desktop took off and MS introduced WSL. I see both in use in software engineering all the time. MS has done enough so that it is possible to use linux stuff on Windows, but yes, it would be more seamless to just be on Linux.
@@Xaito Exactly, everything Esra just said stop being a relevant reason to switch to bare Linux a long time ago since people now use WSL for the exact reason Esra stated. I use WSL for development too, also with JetBrains product using the WSL remote development and WSL works great. Its also evident with many tutorials video and blogs, I always see their VSCode using the WSL environment.
@@ArcticPrimal Sure, but at some point you gotta wonder why even bother being on windows in the first place. Most development these days is for the web and web runs on linux. I like working with linux servers and I'd definitely be interested in working on Linux for dev stuff as well. The only reason I don't is the companies I've done projects for require the use of their MS eco-system.
I started playing with Linux in the late '90s and pronounced it "not yet ready for prime time" several times, until last year. 2022 WAS the year of the Linux desktop for me, and continues to be now. It is ready. It needs better PR, Adobe Flatpacks, and a few others like FIlemaker Pro, and it's off to the races. Just as Linux HAS TO BE the world's server, it also HAS TO BE the world's desktop. The alternative is for Microsoft/Apple to perpetually hold our information hostage.
It's about the same for me. I bought a Linux laptop from System76 in early 2022, and I moved from Windows to Linux on my desktop in late 2022. I also have a 10+ year old Apple Mac that I installed Linux on.
@@brianschuetz2614nice
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I think Linux might grab 10% of the market share if it succeeds on gaming and brings a non nonsense approach towards more tech savvy people.
You need to offer more performance with Linux. Windows as a answer will decrease bloat to increase FPS.
@@burhanbudak6041That's a blatant lie. There are clear cases where Linux actually has better performance. Drivers might be an issue in a few isolate occasions.
Java is quite good on Linux vs Windows, and so Minecraft is actually more performant on my Arch compared to my dual boot wincows
@@Gskvj Can fact check this claim as a dual boot enjoyer. The extra headroom gives me more stability running shaders as a result.
Young people are switching to Mac no. Most young people are going for IPads, which is sad because that just leads to more waste due to no upgradability. Louis Rossman would be sad.
I recently went to Linux only. I’m MS Windows Free! 🎉 It’s kind of like being Debt Free.
Linux is my desktop. My Gaming Desktop!
Here’s a downside example though. I need a Wheel and Pedals for driving games. My Thrustmaster T150 does not work in Linux. This was just one example…
I've been lucky with hardware so far. Everything has just worked. No issues with my Xbox 360 controller, and I just used my old printer for the first time today... no install CD needed for special drivers or software, so it was easier than on Windows.
Not sure about the scanner function on my printer though, should try that later. Maybe that's where Linux will struggle without the CD software installed.
@@ordinaryhuman5645Xsane for scanning in Linux never failed on me.
" it's kinda like being debt free" I couldn't agree more. That's precisely how I felt since Juky 28 2020
I've installed Arch on a mobile SSD and I've cobbled together another PC with Nobara on it to experiment with permanently switching to a Linux Desktop. My goal is to go clean turkey by the time Windows 10 becomes EOL. I don't want to use Win 11.
Sadly it's still the same old linux experience I've had ever since like 20 years ago. I'd always give it a go for a bit only to find out that the experience is atrocious, with sometimes the most rudimentary stuff being broken and needing some cryptic fix where you run some python code some linux-ninja offered on a obscure BBS. I just hope that Valve keeps investing into Linux, that has at least improved things on the gaming front a lot.
I think a closer analogy is, 'it's like being hounded-by-creditors-free'!
It's not about Windows, it's about supporting software produced by companies that aren't monopolies or aren't trying to be monopolies. It's about supporting solutions that respect user's privacy and open standards. Microsoft is the antithesis of this values. Look at what they're doing with Bing Chat: you have/had to use Edge to use it, although there isn't any technical limitation on other browsers that would support this decision. Of course they do "open" stuff where they have no chance of dominating with closed source: VsCode, the new Edge browser, TypeScript... But if they can make a lot of money by locking users to their systems (instead of competing with better products) they will.
Look up “Embrace, Extend, Extinguish”
Problem is, most "normies" and grandmas just don't want to mess with this, even if installing a Linux distro img onto a USB stick has never been easier. Most people don't care about privacy. They just want things to work, and work as expected, out-of-the-box, without having to enter in terminal commands. Not to mention it's still difficult to get some enterprise desktop apps and games to work properly on Linux--that's not even getting into graphics card drivers.
@@redpillsatori3020 The Mac has been doing fine without targeting the "majority of users", and most users will never want to install any operating system. Avoid using the nirvana fallacy 🙂
@ 4:17 I RESEMBLE THAT REMARK, " old people can learn if we want to! Chris taught me 4 years ago and is still teaching me along with other CZcamsrs who simply love to teach.
I honestly think I now understand Windows more since beginning to learn Linux!
I'm a Driving Instructor. The only folks who can't be taught are the ones who just don't want to learn.
My upgrade to linux is part of my parents "stupidity"
Back in 1997-1999, my dad kept opening an email with a virus.
My dad is a stubborn man. No matter how many times I told him that if the email title looks suspicious, don't open it and call the sender with the phone before opening it. He keeps getting a virus.
This whole problem makes me format his computer 1x-2x each month.
Then I moved him to Linux. Now he's using openSUSE Aeon, and I'm on tumbleweed.
Huh, I', a 73 year-old retired IT guy. Yes I moved from CP/M to DOS in 1982. I had accounts on Vax and Unix systems as well back then. Yes I had Windows 1.0 3.5" floppy disks when the joke of it was released. While most;y DOS on my PC, yes, I ran Windows 2 to support Aldus Pagemaker. When Windows 3 came out, DOS was pretty much sidelined.
Since 1994, some of my servers were running Linux. By 2002 I ditched all my Windows Servers and used only Linux servers (Slackware and then Debian).
Through all that my desktop was Windows. But when Windows 11 was announced. My desktop while still fine but wasn't going to support the next version... I decided to move my desktop to Debian. I want stable. I don't play games. I don't need the newest release. I need stable releases. And there is always Flatpak for the newer releases I really wanted. I researched (and though I did lose my out of date copy of Acrobat pro which I still do miss, and the loss of MS Word, for which there really isn't anything else quit as good,) all else was good. Other things were better including KDE Connect for sharing files. Moving forty years and 7TBs of data to my Linux desktop was 'fun' but it all worked out.
And now the only Windows OS I have is a VM I load if I need to access a device that only works when the browser is IE. So maybe this is not the year of the Linux desktop, but it is for me. :-)
Funny thing I saw one time. I was in the LA subway and one to the displays had "crashed". It was not Windows, it was actually Ubuntu.
Crazy how windows have become an unoptimized bloated buggy mess
Always was.....always was
My guess is that it's because Microsoft is king when it comes to backwards compatibility. In my opinion, it's Windows' biggest advantage and simultaneously its biggest downfall. Microsoft can never truly start from scratch with their OS because enterprise customers would jump ship if their legacy applications could no longer run or their workflow would change. The Microsoft Management Console (mmc.exe) has been around since NT4.0 without any major changes to its UI or functionality. If you were to toss that software a company would have to retrain their Windows admins as well. What I mean is: Windows is bottle-necked by the sheer amounts of legacy code that Microsoft can't remove or update.
If you had some fringe application written for Windows XP and had to install it on Windows 11 you'd most likely have little to no problems. Try that with macOS or even Linux. In fact, I would say that Linux is the worst in that regard as you don't usually bundle the necessary libraries with the program and instead rely on the package manager to resolve the dependencies. I'm currently trying to migrate a CentOS 7 VM which runs that kind of fringe software to RHEL9 and it's a complete nightmare because all the old versions of the libraries the software needs are no longer available in ANY repo.
A comfortable bugg mess :p
@@OhMyKMPRIn theory yes, in practice not so much. Modern versions of Windows struggle to run properly or even run at all most legacy native 3rd party software. Linux, on the other hand, almost never lets me down with Wine.
Im on Windows 11, zero issues. Nothing getting in the way. Feels snappier and smoother than linux i tried few weeks ago.
Steam Deck is selling like hot cakes. This is having a lot of positive effect in making game developers putting in at least some amount of work to make their games work with Proton in the Steam Deck and thus on the Linux desktop.
Yeah I tried Ubuntu after using the deck, Kubuntu. Then I got an ad in the terminal for their pro so I've just said screw it and went full Arch. Arch+KDE is what the deck runs anyways.
I still run windows on other PCs but now I have a dedicated Linux machine for learning.
@@onepalesoul FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
What's a hot cake? I've never bought one. I've never even seen one for sale? Who is buying them?
most kiosk programs on windows are actually just a .msc snap in.
Probably designed by the same people that make them for Bank ATMs which are also msc snap-ins.
Totally agree with what you say though Chris.
A lot, if not most, ATMs are running XP.
@@danielstellmon5330 Yup, The one's I've interacted with are heavily controlled by Forescout counteract NAC.
living in france, back in the 90's it was so hard to switch from XP to any systems... now it's about 10 years Linuxing around! and having fun!
As an IT professional, I switched to a Linux desktop years ago and have been using it 99% of the time. Of course, I have dual boot on my laptop, but Windows is mostly used as a secondary system.
Same here. Mostly just use Windows now on the rare occasion to play a game that won't run on Linux or macOS.
@ 5:20 Iv'e been a taxi driver too, and our meter seemed modern but it was running Windows CE. I can't tell you how many fares I lost while I was REBOOTING that hot mess yet again!
Linux unfortunately doesn’t have many apps that is required by businesses. As a data scientist I mostly use tableau for visualisation, which is only for mac and windows, power bi again only for windows. Ms office again for mac and windows. So I guess for me Linux as daily driver will never come as I need to stay in windows all the time. But windows gets the job done so no complaints.
If you imagine for a sec that you can run these apps on linux, would you switch? In other words, does Windows have flaws which noticeably annoy you?
@@iodreamify well to say the truth windows has never annoyed me or I never had any problems ever, I just turn on my pc do my work or play games and when I’m done I turn it off.
All of them have cloud based options available.
@@robertlunderwoodthose are annoying, web apps in general, give me a native client, even if it’s an electron client.
Office would work on Linux but MS Office add-ons is missing in the free option. Adobe is still a issue. Gaming has potential to kill off MS dominance.
Plasma and Proton are what drove me to use Linux. Microsoft's forced telemetry was part of it, but at the end of the day, if the desktop experience had not been so great, I would still be on Windows
I don't get why there's no underdog company making cheapo kiosks exclusively on linux. You can obviously make it way cheaper by using dedicated software (and avoiding licensing fees)... I don't get why no one is on that market. You literally use the cheapest hardware and make it run on a mini kernel... idgi
What country? Many kids have their own devices now where I'm from in Australia.
My niece Lillian just graduated high school this year and her gift from My Sister and Parents was an Acer Chromebook just like she had at school in Oshawa, Ontario, Canada and she is so happy with it.
but still, I feel like Linux nowadays is way more easier to get into then back in early 2010s
You made me swallow my toothpaste when you said “I’ll build that shit for free!” 😂😂😂
What you learn as a kid is what you’ll use later. People do not like to switch unless they have to and microsoft still seems to be the one which products just have to be used in universities etc. People do not know that linux is an alternative for them and as long as microsoft manages to keep windows working, however bad it might be that’s what matters.
Switched fully to Linux Desktop in 2019. I have swapped a couple of times and distro hopped to find one I like and have stayed pretty much with PopOS
I agree. The displays for the transit system that shows ads, service notices, and maps runs Windows along with the new fare gates. Why are those not running Linux is irritating to me.
You can't beat FreeBSD for a rock solid server. Secure and stable.
The problem is that almost nothing is made for it, so you'll end up running ported applications from Linux and there it goes all your security. I tried multiple times to use FreeBSD on my home server, but it's usually better just to install Linux and don't deal with all the incompatibilities and driver issues.
I love Linux. I used Ubuntu from 2018 to 2020 on my main laptop for web development. It worked great.
But then I realized, most of my clients still use Windows, and I have to deal with Windows most of the time.
So I switched back to Windows just to be in the loop. To experience all the problems my clients have and know how to solve them.
It's a compromise I feel I have to make.
But as soon as Linux hits 10% of the market share, I am never looking back.
And I feel that after Windows 11, when people will start to know more about real privacy, a big wave of users will move to Linux.
My mom uses Linux Mint for years on a dual core HP pc, and it works great. Nowadays the browser is where most of the activity of a casual user happens anyway.
The best moment for Linux adoption was the Vista era and Linux blew it. Most people don’t care about privacy so they will stay enslaved to Windows.
Fedora is about to implement telemetry and who knows which distro will follow so i wouldnt hold my breath with the win users migrating to linux. Actually i wouldnt be suprised if it all went the other way.
@@johncombo that’s why I use Archlinux or Maybe NixOS in the future.
@@johncomboAI being shoved into windows 12, and how many of us windows 10 users are still ignoring 11. As soon as 10 loses support, I anticipate that to make a possible dip in things. Basically, until then, we gotta polish up some of the biggest Linux gripes, aka get some of that final software on-board haha. I sure as hell won’t be paying for 11 or 12, i hate change so much I’ve been running Linux for months now 🤣
@@ApolloTheDerg I'm on win11 and its honestly amazing. I was trying linux for 50th times few weeks ago and i went back to windows because as always there were some issues on linux. This literally happens every single time and my point is if the telemetry comes to linux as well, then u might as well stick with windows. I really dont care if i send data to microsoft vs. other random people so i might as well use the system that has snappier performance and zero limitation in terms of apps. With windows it really comes down to that telemetry, which bothered me before a bit but now that i see it comes to linux as well, i just dont see a reason to keep run away from it. What this tells me is that there seems to be a good reason why these companies needs the data. Not to mention u can turn off most of it in windows too. Thats why i think people wont be switching to linux anytime soon. At this point, it seems like theres no reason to.
I installed linux as my main OS back in 2014, but built a new pc for games so I used windows, only recently switched back to ubuntu, love it
we've already have had multiple years of the linux desktop but anytime a company makes a simple and usable linux distro for the masses, the linux community says its the bastardized version of X. android IS a linux distro, chromeOS IS a linux distro
I switched to Fedora KDE from Windows 11. Now what do I do since Fedora is owned by RHEL? I really don't want to switch to Debian, though I like Debian 12 KDE - what I have seen of it from a live environment usb. But it sounds like a PAIN to switch. Its not the data backup but the setting up my apps and everything - pain. Is it really worth it to go through all that headache to get off Fedora to Debian? Ideas? Thoughts? Is it worth it?
Yup, surely Microsoft helped me move to Linux. It was in 2018, I needed to do an important search with my laptop, as I was not home I enabled my phone hotspot with only around one gigabyte left in my mobile data, I read my 1st google search and it was not satisfying so I moved to the 2nd and 3rd only to be greeted with check your network message. When I checked, I found out that Windows updates were happily gulping the remaining of my 4g mobile plan and with hiw 4g was fast, it only took a couple of minutes. That day I realized I want full control over my system, that day I ditched Windows for good and never looked back.
Talking of Kiosk desktops - I'm busy with a client who needs four kiosk desktops with a browser and Office apps. The best I found was Porteus Kiosk, but for the management from the server they ask money. Can anyone recommend a free option?
There's still growing pains for me to use Linux as I basically daily drive my PC for gaming. Sure it's come a long way in years, but there's a lot of hoops you need to jump through, and it's honestly a massive hassle. Might go back to Linux within the next year or so to see how much better things are.
Linux isn't a problem. Native Linux games work fine. I have Divinity: Original Sin. It has native Linux version. It works better than the Win version.
Game developers are a problem. They rarely make games for Linux. Obviously there will be problems if you have to use Win emulation layer. Those will never be fixed fully, as Win is still being changed constantly.
Hopefully developers will start using Vulkan, but they may stick to OpenGL for simple games.
@@forbidden-cyrillic-handle My main issue is Linux working easy with mods. Like with GZDoom I play a lot of mods and it's super easy to just setup a shortcut or bat file to launch the game with the specific mod.
@@saurelius5217 What bat files? If you talk about playing non-native game under Linux, I already said that's the problem. Developers are not making most games as native games for Linux. There are few games that run on Linux without emulation like Wine/Proton.
throughout schooling in canberra australia we have used linux/linux desktop
Despite being a Windows power user most of my life, I've always been curious about Linux. I even bought a copy of Linux Mandrake way back then but it just wasn't on the level I want it to be. Throughout the years that followed, I would try a distro here and there to check Linux viability as a replacement OS for myself. I was getting fed up with Windows and all the forced updates, BSODs, crashes, etc. Then comes Windows 8 and its fugly interface.. then Windows 10 with its more invasive spying telemetry... Windows 11 was the final nail in the coffin and I didn't upgrade to it. This is when I really started to take Linux seriously as my OS replacement.
I would say that Microsoft decisions on Windows OS did help my Linux adoption somewhat but the main reason for me to switching to Linux is that in recent years, it has evolved to the point that it can really easily replace Windows as an OS. I was able to find native Linux apps equivalents to those that I use in Windows that are often better (not to mention free). KDE-Plasma which is my choice of DE for my Linux machine also looks way better than Windows and much more customizable.
Linux is much more user-friendly now too. I have even switched my parent's OS to Linux and they adopted using it without much problem since most tasks done nowadays is done through the use of a browser which is not much different regardless of what OS you use.
My daily driver now is my Linux mini-PC but I still do have my Windows power-PC (5950X & RTX 3090) mainly just for gaming and encoding videos. I still have a lot of games that doesn't run well in Linux and is the main reason I keep my Windows PC. Another reason is that I still require a Windows PC for some work/school stuff.
vedio on nvidia nvk drivers please
i mean its still unknown think needs support
People would love to use Linux if they see our Hyprland UI. But yeah, It takes a lot of time and passion to learn Linux. Not for everyone but windows is always my main OS even though I use Linux more. I can live without Linux but not without windows LMAO.
My history with Linux goes back to 1992 (Slackware 0.93 kernel), but it was slow to mature and I mainly used Windows. Microsoft is forcing me to go with Linux Mint. They won't run Windows on my older machine. So Linux is my go to savior. I always knew I could. I wasn't worried but Windows said I must spend a ton of money or ... go to Linux. I'll probably run Windows 10 in a virtual machine and I'll be protected from hackers there. I'll do my banking from a clean saved state, there, quitting without saving and then restarting from the same saved state again.
Windows have issues with restarting and shutting down sometimes with my Rog motherboards I own inside my pc 🖥 but gets fix it then they break it again and again get fussrangering
Trying to get windows 10 to update on one of those hp streams with 32gb rn 💀 media creation tool isnt recognizing any of the 3 usbs/sd i have in anf rufus is giving me "underlying connection error" sooo yea lol
My first pc was an old office pc i got for 50 bucks with ubuntu preinstalled on it. I didn't even know it was linux until years later. Buy hey, only thing young me cared about was playing minecraft and watching some CZcams, both of which worked great out of the box, 😁😆👍
I am mainly stuck on windows 10/11 for now though, mainly because I'm into vr gaming 😁
Been running Linux desktops for a long time, and there will never be "the year of the linux desktop". Some distributions are so good and user-friendly that there already would have been the "year" thing. Most people just stick with Windows because that's what they know.
Linux on the desktop? Been that since Debian Potato for me :-D
Been daily driving Linux for almost 2 years, the only time I spin up my Windows partition is to play some Siege. Else Linux is superior in my opinion, GNOME and it's app's ecosystem are really great, workflow is really great and the UI is consistent everywhere (GNOME ecosystem follow very strict guidelines, hence it adapt really well to accesibility needs, heck the app's even adapt perfectly to Linux phones). I would say give it 5-6 years for the Linux desktop to become very competitive. Initiatives like switching to Flatpak for GUI software distributions will definitely help to grow the Linux ecosystem beyond enthusiasts.
You know, let's not also forget that the Linux desktop isn't fueled by multi-billions dollars companies. I have a very big respect for thoses participating into this endeavor in their free time.
there's no real appeal to linux other than "it's not windows or MacOS"
that's my personal opinion as a linux lover.
at least on the desktop
Tell us how you really feel about Windows/Kiosks... 😂😂😂 Love you, man. I was at a Red Box that blew it's cookies. Windows had spilled out and was on the sidewalk. Do you think they could convert their systems to Linux?
Better call for a Haz-Mat cleanup; Windows is known to cause cancer of the wallet, and uncontrollable defragmenting of the hard drive if exposed.
Always hated Linux for so many reasons, from using terminal to install programs (broken dependencies), for lack of options (simple example is to enable mouse acceleration in settings, cursor icon change), ugly icons and unpolished UI (fonts all over the place), in 2010-12 i couldn't install Flash player easily back then. I'm big fan of Adobe products and i use Autodesk products also. But Microsoft is really pushing me back to Linux, by integrating AI, analyzing my data on pc, forcing me to do stuff, returning Edge even when i delete it, now i tried to delete some stuff, disable services, delete Windows Update .dll. But then i as programmer can't use their Visual Studio, can't use Teams anymore, my calendar broke and my start menu, my cursor stutters in Win 11 compared to Win 10, and so on. So for me it's mostly design and ease of use and polished UI experience, which even if you install Phoenix OS (Android which i used to player PUBG mobile) is better then on some Linux distro for me. And Gnome desktop makes me angry that it comes with rhythmbox player that's super simple and ugly (dated), that when you press shutdown, then it brings restart option... Not to mention System Monitor that didn't change for what i know it was same in Ubuntu 10.04, simple list and same design. So i kind though of creating my own apps, make web based UI and make my own version of distro. Yea, also i'm Chrome user, not Firefox user. Developer tools are much better in Chrome for me. I think Linux distros need something to make UI more polished
I've been on Linux for around 10 years on and off use both Windows and LInux but, on my main system I run Linux only cause it's more stable than my experiences with Windows 10 and 11 both crash on my system constantly. And I have a some what modern hardware from 2019 that shipped with windows 10. Linux never had a crash with my hardware. So I know it's not the hardware. Really don't know what happened to windows I use to like windows.
The only reason I don't daily linux is laziness. Win10 basically ensured I never use another version of windows again.
Been a full linux user for 3 years now. A lot lesss stressful.
Gaming is easier. (And has saved me a lot of $$$)
General day to day is easier.
I refuse to let a game, no matter how toxic the developers are (bungie as one example) decide what os i use.
Rando: "Oh, but you cant play x"
Me: So? Why do i care? They saved me $20. I'm greatful to them. They just do t get my money. 10,000 other games i can play and spend my money on.
We have machines at my work that run off windows 2000 pro and the first thing I said was why is this running windows.
Bastardized version of Gentoo lmao, ok that actually makes a lot of sense with its limitations.
My only real reason for using 100% Linux is for microsoft privacy. I never had an account for microsoft. Other reasons too, but this one is probably the main one.
you were not so lucky to have friends who would have helped you to install debian slink and setup wvdial for internet access in 1999.
or have a 2 floppy linux distro as part of a disk magazine? :)
Less users= smaller target
Yeah I don't think it will ever be the year of the Linux desktop. Don't get me wrong, Linux has come leaps and bounds in the last two years. Enough that I primarily switched over to it from Windows. Regardless of what distro you use, it's not for everyone (even the ones that say LM can do everything windows does). LM is definitely a comfortable OS for the average person contemplating switching from Windows.
But I've just resigned myself to the fact that some things just run better on Windows and there's no getting around that. I just have to use both unfortunately for certain software. Yeah you can run it as a virtual machine in Linux, but not too good if your laptop only has the capacity for 8GB. And Wine isn't always the answer (although in some cases it can be 😂🤣)
Windows 11> billions of computers will be on linux.
It really helps, windows is so bad that it makes the user look for an alternative. That's why I switched to Linux so thanks microsoft 😆
Your NixOS install is getting jealous you spending time on winblows!😅
It depends what are you using your OS for..i switched from win 11 to Fedora 38, resized the partition to max:D no more win 11:D why? I am no professional and i dont use industry standard programs. I play one game (WOT) now with steam, and its proton the game runs fast and it is equal to win 11 performance with NVIDIA driver. I learned basic commands in terminal for now..and it serve my needs (for now) listening to music, watching videos, and movies..for all of that i used win 11...and the main reason that i ditched win 11 is unsupported hardware, not even bloats and telemetry, and unfinished UI..i can get over that, but forcing users to replace perfectly good machine to newest hardware is insane..win 12? Even worse..Linux supports like anything, it has much less demands on hardware, and therefore it runs faster and you can set UI as you like.. So i understand people who dont want change..but just ask yourself: What are my needs, and what i want from OS..Linux is gift from talented people, you have YOUR own os free of charge and monopoly, and for casual user i dont see the reason why not to choose linux distro..Those who want apple logo on their laptops ok, but for casual user i see no purpose to use anything except linux.
I believe the year of the Linux Desktop will be 2025 when support for Windows 10 End of Life comes. I only use Windows When I have to help a friend of mine at his charity @theiropportunity and in the last few months Linux Has Become My Daily Driver on a 2011 MacBook Pro renamed DebianBookPro and I use My 2014 MacBook Air with Big Sur mostly for converting video downloads to mp4 or Editing in Final Cut Pro. I even setup a Linux File Server for My Boss for when his google drives for his staff gets full and they need to dump files they are not using anymore but need to save on record and even then I use Nextcloud and Cloudflare Tunnels.
It won't stop me from using Linux 😁
With news of what is happening with Windows 11, 12, etc., unless things change, I have determined Windows 10 will be the last as my daily driver. I won't be able to truly get rid of Windows, primarily because of Adobe, and clients, family, and friends still using Windows.
microsoft and mister bill gates started criminal and there always criminal , Microsoft leave linux alone
Since 2 days I am back to Windows 11. I am a gamer, and Linux still sucks with some games. And you can't do things that are so easy with Windows: fan control, overclocking, undervolting etc. I would love to use Linux permanently, but it is not there....
I'll be going back to Linux again. I'm done with winderps stupid fakkin updates that you cant turn off.
Yeah.. updates is bad.. who wants updates when our dumb asses can stay on exploitable and out dated stuff. So much better...
If 1809 was bad, (it was) then 22H2 Win11 is flaming excrement..
Linux desktop has 3% of marketshare now
it has tripled in the last 10 years, so 10% in 10 years? xD
3% in 30+ years with a avarage growth with 1% pr 10 years. meaning 10% is about 65 to 70 years out ;)
I evicted "windows" in 2009, and will never trust micro-softie. The kernel could have been amended long ago, but it's "make money" first and foremost.
"Make money" isn't the problem; that's what for-profit businesses try to do. But it's the way M$ goes about their business that drives people to Linux.
Like them or not, apple corporation "made money" and is now moving to a fourth kernel. The user experience and network safety are better, unlike "nt," which just has more features tacked onto garbage. Now they have an advertising model on the desktop, atop ancient ntfs. That doesn't move society forward.
@@stevejohnson1321 M$ is all about "Software aS a $ervice", trying to get users to forever pay for applications like Office and having to go online to use it. No thanks; if my Internet goes down I can still get things done without paying for it all the time.
Linux is way too confusing looking from a Windows or Mac user’s perspective. Way too many DE’s etc.
Plus Linux doesn’t have a USP.
This is coming from me that has used Linux since 2015.
As much as I love using Linux, especially on my desktop machine, I think I enjoy my devices with MacOS more than anything else.
Lobby, that's why Windows, Mac and Chromebooks are more used than Linux. There's nothing to do with the quality of the system itself.
The year will come when Red Hat or Suse or Ubuntu go retail sales. Red Hat and Suse were retailed years ago in brick-and-mortar stores on real shelves, I believe Linspire also did. There has to be a way for people to get it who aren't gonna download on Github or whatever; that's ubergeek and beyond them anyway.
Again... no one knows how many actually linux users are out there. Considering that most likely machines that dual boot MS and Linux are considered MS users. Same as for new pc or laptops... MS out of the box but you will never know if someone (like I always do) replace Windows with Linux straight after the purchase. Don't even mention old laptops... Are we really sure Linux is just 3%? I would say that we are close to 10% than most people think, some of them cohabiting with MS for sure (dual booting) but still somehow Linux users.
Yeah, Linux doesn't spy on its users and reports how many are using it.
I would have switched to Linux desktop some time ago, wasn't it for my overprised Nvidia RTX 3070 graphics card.
Half of the live iso's wont't even boot into a desktop environment for install, and for the rest installs just fine, exept after reboot for most distros i'll get a black screen either immediately or after the update.
Over the last two years i got the impression it actually has gotten worse and i'm just tired of trying.
Unless linux and the distros gets their shit together regarding current Nvidia cards, i'll have to pass.
And no, i will not buy an overpriced equvalent AMD card to replace my overpriced Nvidia card just to be able to use Linux.
And neither will i install Linux via command line where i have to constantly use a second computer to look up stuff until i might get a gui until linux breaks again.
My time i precious to me.
Linux is not scary, it is for those who are indoctrinated in Windows and that is why it is difficult for them to change to another operating system because they have to learn something new, but if they have never used an operating system, Linux will not be scary. And who needs the year of the Linux desktop anyway? I have been using Linux since 2001 as my only operating system and have never needed that year of Linux desktop.
11 *cough
What is funny is how easy it is to tell the difference between Dallas and Austin. If you come down to Austin EVERYONE is on a Mac, not just the soy latte crowd. Devs, execs, IT...everyone.
except me
Austin is where all the rich snobs live at least if you look at housing prices. Although by that logic everyone in Toronto should have a Mac 😂😂.
Come on, Chris.
We know it's marketing that has its base in the late 80's that made every OEM jump on Windows.
I am not even against it myself, sometimes I even question myself whether I should just use everything on Windows and call it a day.
For the average user there is no need to jump onto Linux and if they do, it's because someone else set it up and they miss nothing while using it.
Yea sure, microsoft's anti competitive behavior really did help linux on the desktop, lol.
It’s not MS fault for linux desktop problems. Linux refuses to design a proper feature complete UI base desktop. Cause you know.. command line is the FUTURE!! …. You know the navigation system that we moved away from 30 plus years ago.
Linux Mint. In fact it is just the IT wizards that find the command line more useful, for ordinary desktop users clicking an icon is more efficient. In any case, the pros will be on the command line on windows anyway. Your meme is way out of date.
@@tomspencer1364 meme? there is no meme. the Desktop market is not made up by "Pros". its made up by Consumers.
Consumers that expect a UI. the day MS gets overthrown by Linux in the desktop space will never happen with "The Command line". it's not the Future. its factually the past and we have moved away from it for a reason.
No one wants the command line for their desktop, laptop, ipads, phones, or anything else. such a simple thing linux DE needs to get right and they simple cannot. They have 2 major OS they can copy/learn from yet are unable too.
@@dreaper5813 you can type all you want but Windows and Mac are the 2 most used desktop OS taking up 95%.
@@dreaper5813 update on market share including all OSs. andriod at 40%, MS at 28%, IOS at 16%, mac at 9%, linux DE at ...1%, and other at 1 roughly.
worldwide market share.
funny, how the only Linux kernel that have gone mass market is the one that focus on an UI.
"Keep crying" says the guy that has to play make believe to cope in real life. keep dreaming and change nothing.
the other option is to stop dreaming and get the linux community into creating a proper fully complete UI that is properly streamlined.
@@BrotherO4 So your original post about the command line was wrong so you switched the argument to usage including phone operating systems. I use Linux because it saves time, trouble and money -- not because someone else is using it or not.
FreeBSD is often used as a server, too.
But, he poopoos macOS, and is it's hater, but it is a Unix system. Rock stable and developers know it and WHY they choose it as their main machine. It is built in the mach kernel and just is so stable. Crashes maybe once or twice in a year. Macintosh runs a Unix is called macOS, and this man should stop with his attitude.
The excuse of people being scared of Linux is getting old when its not the always the case. People try linux, find it lacking with inferior open-source apps... and yes there's alternatives but not for everything and most of them are not good. The alternate apps available in Linux are mostly inferior to Windows apps. For example. Libre is okay but is still inferior to Office 365 etc. Windows might have its problems but its still a great product that's what keeps people using it. Also, Linux has its fair share of problems and thats why people stay away from it. In my opinion, there's already an answer to how Linux Desktop can be widely used and that's macOS, a Unix system which has great apps and better alternative apps plus it has some of the popular Windows apps.
The benefit of Windows is that it 'just works' (or it did). Anyone can pick it up and use it, but you trade off privacy and security. Microsoft has busily been tanking what's good about Windows for several years now.
The benefit of Linux is that it's yours and you can do whatever you want with it. The trade off is that it's not always as easy to pick up as Windows, but it probably depends on the distro.
Windows has been utter garbage since 8. 10 was no better, 11 even worse. Every time i have to reinstall someone's box I just tell them to consider Linux.
ok You forgot people like me. Um, grew up on Unix, migrated to BSD and into Linux. Can't stand windows, only use it for a bet to win money.
Enough with the ageism. I am old af, and I am a strictly on-the-desktop user. My first experience with a computer was the original Mac (128Kb RAM, one single 400KB drive). Soon switched to CP/M to get more useful work done, then the whole way from MS-DOS to Windows 10, with an excursion into Mac OS X in the era of the cats. Really liked Windows 2K, and the feline versions of OS X. What got me into Linux, on the desktop, as a non-technical user, was the arrival of Linuces that were easy to install, and just got on with things, without nagging you or requiring knowledge of secret handshakes (thank you for the self-documenting OS, Apple /irony). This turn to Linux finally happened after I turned 70, and after MacOS and Windows turned user hostile, or user exploitative. What keeps Windows going is corporate purchasing decisions, which are made at a long distance from any technical considerations, or from any considerations of user preferences, but are conditioned by corporate politics, monopolistic practices, and probably frank corruption of a kind that just skirts the boundaries of the law.
European governments tried to mandate open file formats, and Microsoft sabotaged the effort. It is only the proprietary format of Microsoft Office that maintains the monopoly power.
We can't do anything about it, because it depends, ultimately, on the US legislature, and that is up for sale to the highest bidder: but don't blame us old people for the problem.
Microsoft should legally be barred from being involved in anything Linux until the Sun becomes a nova in about 5 billion years.
I. Just. Don't. Trust. Microsoft.
I'll give MS some credit. If your time is important to you then just go MS/Windows. Linux is amazing, but it can be a damn time thief.
It is mostly in the beginning, as it would be with Windows if you didn't spend that same time years ago when you were younger.
It is backwards, *nix you can set it up and forget, you do have forgotten *nix servers sitting in a closet for decades still online without a care in the world hosting stuff like long forgotten Active Worlds words. So how can it be a time thief if long after its owners forgotten the computer it is running on existed, it is still hosting data on the Internet? Also try to migrate an AT&T Unix System V server to modern Linix or BSD, now try to migrate a Windows 3.x NT server to a modern Windows Server and see which is easier.
@@Psy500 People just don't understand that servers are also computers. Also it's funny how they consider Windows "not time-consuming", yet spend hours searching for registry fixes and missing .dll files for a game to work.
@@Psy500yep. it pays off all the time you invest to learn the tools you need
@@zurkke The Windows registry is a nightmare. I don't understand the idea of having a database for configurations rather then config files in plain text. It is so much easier backing up config files before you try messing with them so you can easily revert. Also since you don't have one giant config file it is easier to clean up when deleting programs or to install them with the config you prefer. It is not even consistent in Windows as smarter developers just toss in a config file for their program in your Windows user folder instead of touching the registry.
Switching to Linux will not solve any of problems with kiosk applications. Developers still will write bad app for linux and hardware causing failures still will make failures.
Microsoft did what best could be done with linux, integrated in Windows as wsl console. Linux for me always was console and desktop was bad. I just stopped trying to use Linux as desktop few years ago and last try few months ago only made me stronger in decision that desktop linux is bad.
You want to install it on laptop with 2 graphics cards? nice try. Poor performance, randomly switching cards, screen blinking and fans are spinning. You want to use wifi card out of box? nice try, our installer have drivers for wifi but default installation of our system doesn't. You wan to use fingerprint or facial recognition out of box? nice try. You can install it later but randomness will decide if it will work.
I love to watch your streams (not live) when you reinstall your whole system once or twice a month. I can learn something about how Linux is built and how to solve some problems, but I have also learn that choice on Linux is mostly imaginary. You can chose one of millions of windows managers but and the end you are still limited to one or 2 that are compatible with something else. Or you can chose from 2 sound engines (alsa and puls audio), but from system configuration only one will work in your system, or you have to have installed both libraries.
And at the end, what is most desired desktop for Linux Hardcore Fan? Big terminal with top bar that could be shared with browser window.
Microsoft helps with Linux adoption by taking the best what Linux have to offer (server parts, server tooling) and integrate it in Windows as WSL instances. It is not doing it perfectly, still lots can be done to make it great but I think it is still better job done that Linux Desktop.
microsoft loves linux so microsoft owns linux
No, M$ does not 'own' Linux. Stop spreading that lie. M$ bought Novell years ago and TRIED claiming it owned Linux as a result because Novell had a Linux distro. Guess what? FAIL!! The entire Linux industry laughed M$ out of the room, because legally it didn't work that way.