Why AMD Gave Up on GPUs...
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- čas přidán 8. 06. 2024
- 2024 is looking like a crazy year for graphics cards. Rumors are starting to build up for RTX 5000 series from Nvidia, along with AMD's RX 8000 series. However, some of the rumors for AMD's RDNA 4 are looking odd... like this is a generation of GPUs that they are wanting to "pass over" or something. Could be because the tech isn't there yet, they need to catch up on software, or they just don't think it is worth it. Let's explore this.
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0:00- What Nvidia seems to be cookin
0:44- Current State of AMD
3:48- The RX 7900 XTX is good
4:38- Does it matter?
9:11- The RDNA Beast could've been a freak
9:55- The Future of RayTracing on AMD
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Ey bro, I can't wait to be proven wrong
I hope so
I hope so too I have a 6950 and I love it
RDNA 4 will hopefully be the tipping point for at least 20% more of the buyers
what we can say is Nvidia win market
Really wanted you to be wrong but... All the statistics and info you have provide seems to be correct.
My wallet is bottlenecking.
careful now that's gonna hurt the fps
😂😂😂
So is my electricity bill... AMD's upcoming APU's are looking more and more interesting, especially if they make true on their promises of 4060-4070 graphics performance levels.
@@michaeldendulk9225 bro I feel it alot on my rtx3090. For that reason I limited it to 315-330 watts instead of 420watts. The heat and bigger bills doesn't seem to worth the extra few fps...
@@terradrive IKR, I currently run a 4090 laptop, which is conservative compared to a desktop, but still feel the difference compared to my previous M1 Macbook. Been trying to use tablets as much as possible now, but still like to play a game here and there. The Minisforum V3 looks interesting at max 45 Watt for the entire thing, but the 780M in it falls just a little short of where I'd like it to be and AMD is expected to launch their new APU's with much stronger integrated graphics later this year/early next year, so just have to be patient a little longer, I guess...
I can rebuild a used motorcycle for cheaper than I can buy a video card. That's a problem!
My brand new 150cc motorcycle is cheaper than my GPU 🤣🤣
Man I hope to one day do that too lol. Maybe a zx7r, it's one of those old school bikes I love the look of, especially the purple and green livery.
My 4080 cost more than my car. But my car is 23 years old....
My perfectly running '99 Honda Accord was 1400 bucks
It is funny how you people are comparing old and undesirable products in society with something newly researched and made which is also high in demand. You are the problem here.
If you would look at anything cars related in aftermarket, they go in thousands of euros. A simple maintenance bill for a car is half a grand. So what you people are about?
“It’s gonna go to 600w” LOL without connectors melting?
They gonna put 2 300w connectoes on it
@@Shahzad12357 good, twice the 12VHPWR, double the house fires
Right?
Right?
They were testing the new cooler that can handle upto 600w. 4090 FE cooler already rated upto 600w if i remember correctly. During 40 series development nvidia actually testing cooler that can handle upto 900w.
Hopefully they learn and use better connectors this time.
I think focussing on their X600, X700 and X800 lines instead of trying to fight Nvidia with the X900 sounds like a winning strat. If your budget is the infinity sign you'll usually buy Nvidia anyway, but if they can beat every single card of Team Green in the 200-600 dollar range that would be neat.
Bold of you to assume that Team Green has cards for 200$
@@khursaadtRTX 3050, but why would anybody buy that?
im praying to god they push out an actually decent x500 too
@@detecta
I fear even AMD has low key abandoned that class of cards, it usually makes more sense to wait for the x600 or even x650 XT to drop in price.
@@Alias_Anybodyyeah 6500xt was generally shit and 7500xt doesnt even exist
The 1060 costed less than 300. As long midrange cards are above 400 and low-end above 200. most people ain't buying
Most basic things are like 20% more expensive than 5 years ago. Even the things that weren't unobtainable for like 2 years. Expecting things to be the same price as they were a decade ago is delusional.
@@kaminekoch.7465Yeah, well salaries didn't go up at all or just a bit so companies can't expect people to be prepared to pay more. Its one of the reasons why AMDs sales have dropped badly.
@@kaminekoch.7465 Delusion is expecting people to pay more and get less.
My 2060 was $250. Still very happy.
@@LtCommanderTato Which GPU costs more than 300 and performs worse than GTX1060? Thanks in advance
I just picked up a 7900XTX and I couldn’t be happier honestly. Insane improvement over my 1080Ti.
Same, got mine after my 3080 died and even that was a noticeable performance gap. Going from a 1080 Ti is probably nuts.
I got myself a 4080 a little while ago, going from a 1070 since 2018 now that's a crazy gap
why would you buy amd when nvidia is better value at the top end
Going from a GTX970 to an RTX3060 was wild for me lol
Such a shame more people don't buy Radeon imagine the prices NVIDIA can change now.😢
With 80% of the 4090's speed at 4K for a grand less, I'm very happy with my 7900XTX.
So a 4080S?
4090 is just a dumb card for rich people with terrible price/performace
@@reahs4815 Ah yes i cant afford it thus it must be dumb
@@reahs4815 4080S is about 300$ expensive(where I live) for the cheapest model compared to 7900XTX while the 4090 1000$ more. Imo, Either go 7900XTX or jump straight to 4090. 4080 Super does not make much sense even if you're doing productivity, you may as well push to a 4090.
@@elderman64 what? I called the card dumb
7900xtx isn't even close to 80% the performance when you enable RT
I'm fine with AMD not releasing new GPU's this year if it means they focus on improving FSR and the existing feature set.
Facts
I dont think fsr and other technologies are getting more focus than they already have. Once they killed highend RDNA4 they put people on RDNA5 we will be lucky if they announce it in 2025 but probadly in 2026
Honestly if they can keep upping the rasterizing performance and catch up in RT I'd much rather see that. DLSS is very impressive but it still has ghosting and blur issues, which is a pet-peeve of mine (and a lot of other gamers). I use my 7900XTX to run stuff natively, if that means no RT I'm more than fine with it because I really do not like upscaling artifacts. I tried DLSS3 on someone else's setup and still was annoyed by it.
It'd also probably mean that Nvidia GPUs are going to go higher in prices
@@stysner4580what xtx do you have?
Happy to be one of the 0.36%. Haven't regretted the purchase at all.
well as somebody who've been in the scene for over a decade, you will not now but in future and I can give you like a 1000 reasons why
@@smokychristian Why
@@smokychristian give me 3
@@smokychristian give us few
@@smokychristian gimme 2
Kinda smart ngl. Their highest end card is like $800 less and only 21% slower at 4k but can't reach the 4090, like ever. So if they make all their lower end cards just like that, same same performance as nvidia but like 20 - 50% cheaper? Could be better for us all.
They don't have the same margins on the low end cards, so they're going to need to do some innovation on that front first. Maybe if they can pull off an actual chiplet design that splits up the graphics die.
@@AAjax Pretty sure they're already on a design that is cheaper to manufacture than Nvidia's design, which means that if they keep the current offset to Nvidia they'll have better returns. Nvidia already had to backpedal 4070 and 4080 prices hard due to AMD. I think AMD abandoned their flagship because it would be very expensive to make but wouldn't sell well (like the 7900XTX). They'd rather take as much marketshare of the low/mid range, press their efficiency advantage and catch up in raytracing. If they succeed they can potentially match or even overshoot Nvidia's flagship in a generation or two and then slash Nvidia's prices. At which point Nvidia might choose to go all-in on AI instead, if that keeps being where the money is.
They did the same with RDNA1 (5700) and Polaris/GCN5 (480/580). It makes business sense when they can't come within shooting distance of the priciest NVIDIA chips.
@@Ranguvar13 The biggest problem with that is that even though there are a lot of tech CZcamsrs and you can find statistics and information everywhere, people still base their mid-range purchase off of how well the enthousiast side of a company does. The amount of times I've seen people discussing AMD vs Nvidia using the flagship models when they all had midrange cards themselves... To then defend their purchase based on that discussion...
AMD ceased to "fight" Nvidia on the price at the low and mid range since the RTX 30X0 era, they increased their price to be lower than Nvidia but not completly undercuting them so they get a better margin. I wouldn't hope they will try to fight the price again they just seem focused on keeping their margin high and sell at the range they want.
Those same steam records also show a clear trend of AMD cards including the 7000 series increasing percentage wise month over month while there are many decreases in Nvidia's higher end, except for the top end cards. It shows a clear trend that people are not only buying AMD cards but also changing from Nvidia to AMD in some cases. There are many negative percentage valuses for the 2000 and 3000 series for Nvidia with the only clear win being the 4000 series, with AMD having increases across the board for 5000, 6000 and 7000 series.
Switched from the 1080 to the 7900xt.
But Nvidia is up 56% gaming revenue. Are you saying that that is only because of the 4000 series? If that's the case then the 5000 series will burry team red
@@mikelay5360it could be GeForce Now too
That's some strong copium
Idk why Vex liked it, knowing the copium it is. The earnings calls don't lie, the Steam samples are random, and cards that are over 5 years old are still shown more. It's not "changing from Nvidia", it's "The 4060 is dogshit, so I'll take what I can get.", or "I want one of the best GPUs, but I don't have over $1k."
Happy with 7900 GRE. It's a heck of a value.
Thats what they want you to think. GPUs in general are horrible value today. Only true value cards are like $120 or less. You can find 1080s for 100 thats best value out there
@@craciunator99 bruh😑
@@craciunator99 Delusional zoomer on cope trying to make himself feel better for owning a trash PC.
@@knusperkeks2748 my 6700xt does just fine. So youre ok with the prices today then? Sounds like youre trying to cope with the fact youre getting fleeced by billion and trillion dollar companies.
@@knusperkeks2748 There was a time when high end never used to cost anything close to what it does today. Hope you enjoy paying 10k in the relatively near future. Also thanks for outing yourself as a boomer.
Misleading title. Implying that AMD is giving up because they are focusing on the most profitable segment is a bad joke.
That title is a little misleading.
@@slc9800gtx A little? very misleading. I reported it for clickbait
welcome to vex
they might as well, even the new drivers for GoT are trash.
Nvidia also outsells AMD in that bracket
AMD should start to focus on mid end GPUs again, like it was on RX 400 and RX 500 generations, for me these were the best GPUs from AMD.
Yes but these gpus now are almost low end not even mid end
580 is not even in low end category, it's definitely Potato tier.
I see my old 3070 as low end and 6950xt as mid range GPU.
They are. That's why they abandoned their flagship card. Too expensive to make and if it doesn't beat or at least matches Nvidia's flagship it's just not worth it for them. They tried with the 7900XTX but it was screamingly expensive to make and didn't sell that well. Efficiency and decent performance at very good prices should be AMDs game, I agree.
It's NOT potato. It is low end. It can play EVERY single game at 1080p.
@@Kage0No0Tenshi
@@stysner4580 And still Ada managed to be more effiicient across the board, RDNA needs a complete do-over.
Stop looking at Steam surveys. I have SIX AMD PC's all with Radeons, and not ONCE the past few years have I been invited to submit any survey...
That's weird. I get asked about once a year
I'm surprised steam doesn't just allow the platform to be able to check the current running gpu and pc in general and use that data instead
@@MrVidificationsteam specifically asks your consent to poll your hardware data, and honestly I wouldn't have it any other way
Well obv. surveys don't include everyone. Surveys are done by sampling a reasonable ammount for people and avoiding sampling bias
I wouldn’t be surprised if AMD GPU users are less likely to report their hardware. I feel like AMD users skew more tech savvy and skeptical of tech companies using their data
I absolutely love my 7900XT. Overclocks like a beast and can handle cyberpunk at 3840x1620 with 60+ graphical mods and still get 90+fps average. Best purchase ever.
I love mine as well. It's my first AMD card actually. What model do you have if you don't mind the question?
same bro, got sapphire pulse, best purchase in these times
These bots comments are getting more advanced
@@Estoc_Bestoc_ How is it a bot comment?
@@Drakey_FenixEmpty account promoting a dodgy link, likely scamming stupid simps
My 6850m XT = 6700XT is so amazing 🥺 Thank you AMD 😢
Yooooo mobile gang!
@@kickskii 😎
I have a Corsair laptop with the same chip paired with a Ryzen 7 6800HS
Why would you spend hundreds of dollars more so you can see a nicer reflection in a puddle?
Only idiots pay more than 400 for a GPU, 500 absolute MAX.
@@Wobble2007 Yeah that is my limit also.
seeing at the steam reviews looks like people want nicer reflection.
DLSS and wayyyyyyyyyyyy better drivers
Raytracing is way more than nicer puddles, though. It means finally less bugged out shadows, which are a huge part of the image.
I guess they are planning to go back to RDNA 1 era.
The issue is that AMD still struggle with ray tracing
RDNA4 is probably a test to see if their new ray tracing engine can rival NVIDIA.
Plus, there's a strong bias against AMD regarding their driver.
Those biases are very, very hard to get rid of.
That not the only thing not do they only suck at ray tracing but at everything else excluding raster performance that's the only thing their cards are good at anything else from TAA implementation to Features even intel is better than AMD not even better Intel smokes them also their cards have way lower resale value so anybody who build a new pc like every year or so stays away from them and there's nothing AMD can do about it they'd actually be better of if they drop manufacturing GPU at all and ust focus at CPU afterall that's where they get most of their revenue from
Tbh, GPUs are very hard to get right compared to CPUs which doesn't have as much exclusive features. In fact, AMD cpus have avx-512 support and intel doesn't anymore. Quicksync is almost negligible with how good gpus are nowadays. AMD needs a better driver team. Their publicly maintained linux drivers are always outperforming windows and it shows AMD GPUs have the hardware performance to match nvidia..but their software engineers are lagging behind nvidia.
@@smokychristian fanboy
@@smokychristian And let NVIDIA have the monopoly? Are u insane?
@@smokychristian Nvidia fanboy are ridiculous (so as AMD fanboy)
For me higher consume is not progress, it's just an old thing being forced to it's limit
Pretty much.
I have an AMD GPU and I'm proud of it, the value for money is miles better than what I would get if I went to the green team.
What you got
"proud of it" Imagine being proud of buying something over the other probably better thing.
@@diamonshade7484 rx 6700
Bought a 7900xt for $80 less than the cheapest 4070ti at the time. Rt wasn’t the big seller for me. Love the card.
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat you can be proud of making good decisions and not wasting money
I returned my 4070 to get a 7800 xt and have not regretted my decision. 5800x3d with a 7800 xt, I´m very happy with my setup.
6800XT here, first AMD card since...the HD 5850..no wait I had a 470 for a couple months in the middle somewhere that I was faffin with repairs on(used to repair GPU's for people) (I have some older AMD cards now, but I got them cheap for old PC's after I got the 6800XT for my main machine) after having Nvidia cards for ages(GTX 770, 1070, . when I was looking for a card it was during the late end of covid lockdowns etc, my choices were the 3000 series cards(with 4k on the horizon) or the 6000 series cards second hand.
the 3000 series cards were going for the same price second hand as they were new, and the 3060 Ti was $1000NZD at the time, 3070 was 1400, 3080 was 2100 and the 3090 was 2400, and god knows what a 3090 TI was at the time, I saw one for sale for over 3k nzd.
I ended up buying a 3060 TI and was pretty unhappy with it for the price, and that raytracing was annoying(it darkened corners and made stuff I want to see not visible, made reflections I don't look at prettier, but otherwise didn't do all that much to make it look better to me but cost a huge performance hit.
a second hand red dragon 6800XT was going for $850 came up
the only cards in my price range were the 3060 TI and the 6800XT, after looking at the stock speeds, and working out if I would use raytracing ever with a 3060 TI really, I checked benchmarks and framerates and realized the 6800XT smashes a 3060ti. I then checked overclocking related stuff and realized the 6800XT had massive potential to overclock like a beast, then be modded and overclock some more and the Red Dragon had so much high quality powerful fully populated VRM goodness. so I sold the 3060 TI for the same price I got it for and got the 6800XT.
and a water block for it was $100, a second hand D5 pump and rad went for $40. so I had a water cooled 6800XT.
then liquid metaled it.
Then MPT to mod the power table to let it pull
then used an EVC2SE voltage controller on it.
now it gets 22k in time spy
and found if I don't give a shit about raytracing, it floats between just above a 3090 to just above a 3090 Ti in performance depending on the game.
I have no regrets getting the 6800XT.
would I get another AMD card? yea, yea I would.
still wouldn't fanboy for em tho, if Nvidia comes out with something that competes for the price I'd go them instead.
but 8gb vram shitbuckets for stupid money that don't even perform that well? yea no thanks, then right after that cards that cost even more, still have only 8gb vram, and BARELY perform better than the last gen? yea no thanks.
The people who bought 1200w power supplies are no longer looking silly. 600w GPU is crazy, throw in a 300w CPU and that's 900w just from 2 components lol. With overclocking you'd probably crash the PC from running out of wattage, not to mention the components would be on fire regardless of what cooling you use.
My 860W PSU (2011) destined for 3x sli and now run 6950xt/5800X3D below 550W is really good but anything over 850W pointless
@@Kage0No0TenshiI got 7700x and 6950xt with 600w kekw
@@TheZerosd well I overclock and undervolt them thats why I am on low Wattage
Limiting your fps might actually be needed. xD
@@Kage0No0Tenshi 600w power supply I mean mine is running around 350w it doesn't get higher than around 500 never saw it
Last time they refused to compete in high-end segment was actually a good move for them.
RX400 series were just a great value mid-range cards.
Because in mid-range greater amount of VRAM and highter raseter performance is still a great selling point. In high-end you would have more VRAM and raster performancethan you need anyways so only features like RT and upscaling become a decisive factor - and Nvidia wins effortlessly.
So I would ultimately see it as a positive change. It's better to just refuse to compete when you can't win rather than loose money on a product that cannot compete and thus will fail to bring profit.
Videogame crash is happening, because of absolute idiocy of "Game Passes," and Monopolization; due to this, the quality of games is decreasing, so there's literally no need to keep making ever more powerful graphics cards, when you can start focusing on Efficiency, Memory, Power Consumption, etc.
Gta 6
@@diamonshade7484 I hope you're right.
Love seeing ur channel growing mate, closing in on 100k
Built my niece a PC for Christmas, Built 2 more, upgraded my desktop, about to do so again, upgraded my gaming rig. So far 3 Intel Arc GPU's, A380, A580, A750. 2 AMD, RX7600, RX7600XT. The XT is now in my Gaming Rig does RT just fine over the RX6600 then the RX7600, the 7600 is in my desktop. So just in the last year I have grabbed 2 RX580's, 1 RX5500XT, the 7600 and 7600XT and 3 Intel GPU's so a little over 1300 bucks total 8 GPU's. Still less than 1 4090. All my PC builds plus my old Board in a test rig frame are AMD CPU's.
I’ve got a 1080 Ti and have been holding off. What shall I upgrade to in 2024? My CPU is a 12400F. And I have a 2560 x 1440 monitor (144Hz).
gpu like 4060ti, rx 7700xt, etc will bottleneck your cpu, so you have to upgrade to at least i7 13700k cpu. your 12500F with 4060ti the bottleneck is 25%, and with 7700xt it's 23%. at this % you have to upgrade cpu. if you upgrade to i7 13700k cpu, 4060ti and 7700xt have no bottleneck, but the 4060ti that has 16gb is overpriced for the performance so rx 7700xt is better choice cause it's cheaper. but if you want the 4060ti cause you like nvidia then get this.
if you want an rtx 4070 gpu you'll have to get a i9 14900ks cpu, and even with this cpu there's a 6.5% bottleneck, but this is alright. it's acceptable.
7:05 there's also 7900 GRE now, it has similar performance/price ratio to 7800 XT, but a bit higher in hierarchy
The consumerists. XD
Don't forget that most PC gamers still play on 1080p.
It should probably stay that way tbh, for me and others either too much hz or resolution makes our eyes hurt.
Oh he left, but yeah I didn't get the best eyesight genetics myself I'm not even old. 🥲
@@vigilantbruiser1119i play on 1080p but what you are saying is just retarded nonsense
@@vigilantbruiser1119 I'm sure nobody is forcing you to use a better monitor. The vast majority of people will have a better experience and most likely no issues with eyesight when using a higher resolution and/or higher refresh rate monitor, so I don't really see why we should collectively stick to 1080p@60Hz. But we're probably gonna be stuck with that for quite some time anyway, since monitors with a high resolution and high refresh rate combined are unfortunately still incredibly expensive.
@@ytrism Whatever you say, eyecandy fanatic. lol
Well, we're done this new Gen if it's true that the 5080 will be "just" at the same level of the 4090, but costing $1200-1300, that's just insane. Second best GPU from a new gen has always been much better than previous gen flagship. If AMD can hopefully make a mid/high end card for $649 that matches the 7900XTX raw performance with better ray tracing, that would be the way to go
I'm waiting on high powered APUs, powerful enough to game at 1440p ultra. that way it'll make my next build heaps easier to build and quicker, and les power cables needed too. 2x 8-pin CPU cables will be the future for APUs at the moment 2x 8-pin is for over clockers. If they stopped making current High-ENd AMD GPUs could be a clear sign that they maybe still making high-end GPUs for RX 8000
Pretty soon at Nvida’s power consumption you’ll need a dedicated circuit just for your PC, most homes only have 15 to 20 amp circuits with multiple outlets on one circuit. The average person doesn’t understand wattage to amperage, 120 watts = 1 amp this is a subject you should make a video on. So a 4090 is pulling about 5 amps, a 4K monitor pulling up to 2 amps (some less) cpu maybe 1 amp so on a 15 amp breaker your already at 50% of what it can handle before tripping. Also sustained heat on a breaker weakens it, they are at the point say your microwave and pc are on the same circuit if your pc is on and someone uses the microwave the breaker will trip.
Does the Steam Hardware survey work?. I wonder
It works, it's probably the biggest sample size for such data you will ever get.
If AMD wants to steal the market, they gotta start innovating and make something new that's headline and hypeworthy. Instead of following Nvidia they gotta make their own "Rtx" or "Dlss" moment
They can't they don't have enough money to
@@smokychristian Yeah probably, unlike Nvidia they dont have enough sourcing to spend on R&D and experiment
Nvidia will go full ai then and will just have Intel to compete with. Scary thought.
Or they could ditch the "High end" segment entirely and follow one plus/Chinese phones policy, that is to bring incredible value for money at low-mid level segments. I am talking 4060-4070ti level of performance at half or at least 2/3rd of the price. That would also make headlines.
@@naqibfarhan4356 They sont have to be at the high end and beat Nvidia's top cards, they just gotta do something to make better hype. Basically they gotta advertise better and use stuff like rtx for that advert hype like Nvidia did
gj on your content bro, you just got another subscriber.
your doing great, all the best.
A friend of mine got a 7900xtx just to find out it was slower than his old rtx3070. DDU was used in safemode to remove drivers and everything, 7900xtx was still slower. Maybe it was a defective unit, but after all of the throubleshooting he just returned it and got a 4090 instead
A clean install is the best practice.
I was really shocked to see AMD's own GPU sales figures, down 48% on this time last year.
I don't know why so many people still run after Nvidia. The GPUs are far too expensive for what they do. I currently have an RX 7700XT and my god am I happy with it. I have no problems with either the drivers or the GPU The price of the GPU was bad before but now it's a blast. I don't think AMD will stop, they're also getting better and have better prices
Cuda accelerator and machine learning purposes I guess
brand recognition. like iphone. amd don't have such high brand recognition. even when an amd gpu is better than nvidia at cheaper price, most people will buy the nvidia cause it's nvidia. amd has to find something to innovate like nvidia did with RT and dlss to increase their brand recognition. even though RT is dogshit cause it eats even 50% of performance, people still fall for this shit. people are stupid, so if amd finds something than nvidia doesn't have, people will fall for it.
Control panel settings actually work outside of DX9. Adrenaline doesn't.
Prices are ridiculously high, most people wont buy Graphics Cards at the current price.
Which is a bit of a issue because they increase the prices because they don't get enough sales, but the higher the price increases the less people buy them.
I for one only buy AMD, Nvidia in my country is about 30-40% more expensive.
Increasing prices in response to lower sales is exactly the wrong thing to do. Ask any economist. Big companies understand economics.
@@joesterling4299 and yet they still do it.
and yet nvidia gpu's sell and nvidia made $2.9 billion profit in fourth quarter 2023.
They will always make money, but less people are buying gpus regardless of how much money they make.
You should check how many of those 4090s are still functional. Most of them have melted power connectors, cracked PCB and no functional warranty.
Well people don't use gpu supports and get surprise pikatchu face when it breaks. Tho if it doesnt break then it melts itself.
Where did you get that most 4090s have melted power connectors?
Like I know there are many cases, but as many as Most of them? Like a majority of the cards have melted power connectors?
If that were true it would be huge news and a lot of damage to Nvidia's reputation.
@@PontifexMonarka Check north ridge repairs channels and see how many 4090s he repairs.
@@kazuviking I know many are melting, but the most of them as you claim??
@@kazuviking Mine's bolted in like it's ready for a 9.0 earthquake, and undervolted (about 80% power, 95% perf).
Mind you, I'm mixed use. I don't necessarily endorse a 4090 purely for gaming, and it's absurd for gaming in anything but 4k.
But it is quite a beast for 4k gaming.
To be fair, I had to undervolt my AMD cpu as well. I have a 420mm rad, and it was still trying it's best to cook itself on factory settings.
I'd only upgrade my 7900XTX if there's a GPU equal or better in performance with way less power draw at 4k.
Lol.... Funny that the intel iris xe integrated GPU is one of the popular gpu lmao! Dunno but makes me feel quite proud cuz I own one haha! great video btw 👍👍!
We had rumors of the 4090 going to 600w as well. Lots of them. But that's the power limit with an OC on some expensive models like the Strix.
I'm sure they'll stick to under 500w.
I got offered 6800xt for 250euros, but it's used. Good deal?
Great deal
BROOO I PAID 230$ USED FOR AN RX 6600 XT THAT TOOK ME YEARS TO SAVE.
14:43 Nvidia has traditionally not been first with new technology. It has always been a back and forth between the two. ATI created Tessellation in 2001, Nvidia was behind for a good while before they marinated an even greater solution. In 2002 ATI created the first DX3D 9 compatible GPU. In 2015 AMD gave us Async compute, paving the way for DX12 and Vulkan. Then that same year gave us the Fury X, the first GPU featuring HBM memory. Most recently in 2021 AMD gave us the worlds first chiplet based GPU, the MI200. Nvidia gave us stream processing units and CUDA in 2007, which were both exceptionally important developments. Most recently Nvidia is pushing Ray accelerators and AI which are both hugely successful.
All of what AMD has pioneering wasn't unachievable by Nvidia, AMD never succeed to replicate the success of CUDA. Wish is why even if somehow Nvidia started to lose the gaming market; steam hardware survey still shows Nvidia with 76% of the market while AMD is not even at 20% but at 16% and intel at a bit less than 8%, it’s hold on the professional and now the new AI market will enable them to overcome AMD when needed. I don’t think AMD could even compete in the AI market with Nvidia given the cost in R&D and the massive gap in size between them.
I also forget that DLSS and RT where and still are Nvidia domain where AMD still struggle to replicate what Nvidia achieved first.
@@itachiaurion3198 Something to think about here is Nvidia's current success is largely attributed to the current interest in AI. the 40 series have been selling terribly compared to previous generations and that has everything to do with the fact that Nvidia cards are absurdly overpriced even compared to the 30 series which were notorious for being a terrible value. The 10 series GPUs were a serious high mark for them, they were fast and reasonably priced while offering a substantial increase in performance over the previous generation. The current generation of cards just don't make sense for gamers, I would argue their pricing is more in line with enterprise applications which is coincidentally why Nvidia's stocks have been skyrocketing. This is a short term trend though, Nvidia has the AI market cornered right now, but it's only a matter of time before AMD catches up or, most likely, purpose built cards made for AI become the industry standard.
If and when that happens Nvidia will be in serious trouble, what the 40 series has done more than anything is sully their name in the eyes of the public and make them seem downright greedy.
@@Todd_Coward If AMD can't even play catchup with the best Nvidia as to offer for gaming, how can they catch up on a more difficult market? Maybe Intel will try something for the AI but I don't see AMD finally succeeding at overcoming Nvidia.
Unlike Intel, Nvidia will not wait 5 to 10 years that AMD will catchup before waking up. They price may be too high but they are still in the lead in regard of the technology and don't seem to let AMD catchup anytime soon.
Their success come from the fact that they are the sole leader in the 3D rendering space since at least 2015 and all of their gpu sell like hotcakes, even in the gaming market with the 40X0 as the exception and even that I have doubt. The most recent hardware survey from steam show that the top 15 spots of GPU are all Nvidia with the RTX 3060 in the lead and 10X0, 20X0 and 40X0 and other 30X0 in this top. Then we have AMD and Intel integrated processor in 16th and 17th place. Heck even the 4090 is nearly at 1% of the survey and it's not the better placed 40X0.
The first named AMD GPU is the AMD Radeon RX 580 with 0.83%; Nvidia is still at a very comfortable 76% of the market from those steam hardware review.
Even if steam is somehow the HQ of all the Nvidia chill AMD can't have more than 30 or 40% of the PC gaming market from those result. Even if the price doesn’t make sense, it seems that players bite the bullet and buy the gpu’s anyway.
I really don't see AMD pulling a hail mairy and finally overcoming AMD in the 3D market while they are still behing Intel in the CPU market and far behing for the gpus.
Sounds like a good time to raise the prices. Because in the end, YOU BUY IT ANYWAY! LOLO!LL!L!L!LL!
Thanks for the leather!
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The more you buy the more leather.
it feels like this happenned wayyyy wayyy back before on the vega vs 1000 series era when vega 64 and radeon 7 trying to close the gap to 1080 non ti and gave up since it can't close the gap to its superior 1080 ti and a few years later dated now 2024, they're like ... its time.
Do we know what is reported as AMD Radeon Graphics and AMD Radeon(TM) Graphics in Steam survey?
NVIDIA smartness is like Aizen planned level 🤣🤣
Nvidia is madarame baku
so nvidia is the bad guy?
What players want: low power consumption native 60fps@1080p $200
What brands and CZcamsrs push: high power consumption dlss fake dps@1440p/4k $2000
This is why.
I have a 7900XTX for 1080p (because I could get it for really cheap). I can run everything natively without any upscaling, and even though DLSS runs circles around FSR for quality right now, nothing beats native. I hate ghosting and the blurry mess you often get with high speed movement when upscaling. Not to mention the card isn't even trying so it's actually running games at ultra settings using less power than my 1070 did (unfair comparison, I know) at medium settings.
Nvidia pushing RT is what's ridiculous. Even today, it drops frame rate by half to get only slightly better lighting than pure rasterization.
I picked the 7900 GRE over the 4070 Super just for this reason. Better rasterization performance and more VRAM for less money. Screw RT.
RX 6600 XT for 200 usd
nah, at this point it's time to let 1080p@60fps go (not for 200$ tho), I would rather have 1440p@144fps or higher any day of the week. (i am an outlier though, as higher fps is unnecessary unless you got a 360hz screen like my stupid ass but I stand by that 1440p@60-144fps is what you would want in the current day)
That's completely true.
4:28 If your compatibility filter is on when selecting GPU's, you'll only be able to select what fits in the case you have in the build list.
Around 0:50 what s the ost?
Pokemon black white - Dragonspiral Tower
Your content is generally good and well researched but the level of clickbait in your titles and thumbnails is getting a little out of hand bro
Happy with my 6700xt. Getting ready to install 7800xt. Coming from the 1070
I'd rather go for RX 7900gre...
at least upgrade to 7900xt not worth to upgrade to rx 7800xt from rx 6700xt
Just get the RX 6800 non XT. Go peep the specs, it's literally the same (annoyingly) as the 7800 XT except 100-150 cheaper.
7900 GRE is worth the slightly higher price tag over the 7800 XT, especially after overclocking the gimped memory, although you can't go wrong with either choice.
@@JonnyFlash80 400$ for a gigabyte couldn't beat it. I payed 600$ for the 6700xt red devil
There's gotta be like a ceiling here....in gpus and game graphics
Great Vids man imma sub
They could certainly get Ray Tracing improvements to the moon in one go if they wanted to, same as Intel did. They have the ability to kind reverse engineer what's already been done too, they probably know to a very high degree what they need to do to get up to par.
Better upscaling maybe. Ray tracing is just a silly sales pitch.
stupid ads, lemme watch Vex’s new vid
Get a VPN dude.
@@thepatriot6966Or something much better and for free uBlock origin.
adblock.
@@pffboahkeineahnung Surprised youtube didn’t delete your comment, I named one and the comment got instantly deleted.
Is there any reason to question whether or not the steam hardware survey is accurate? If the mid range AMD cards are selling so well compared to Nvidia's, wouldn't it follow that they should be showing up in the steam hardware survey? I feel like I'm missing something. Is it pre-built PC's coming with Nvidia gpu's that's keeping their numbers so high?
i think a lot of newer pc gamers don't use steam as much. PC game pass is pretty good and goes hand in hand with xbox
@@revanisalivebs
@@cloud380 is that it?
@@revanisalive how much AAA games gamepass had? probably like 3-5 diablo starfield jedi survivor and maybe a couple more. people will still use steam for new releases and it’s also cheaper there cuz of a lot discounts
@@cloud380yet your username is "cloud" 😂
Doesnt most of consoles run on amd gks ?
All home consoles and most handheld consoles
Yup amd dominants the console market
I found a youtube channel of my country that brainwashes people saying amd cards have problems and if you don't want problems buy nvidia and all of people trust him and go yeah bro thanks for telling us and informing us i feel so bad for those people who trust him
(Most people in my country are poor and want to buy a cheap card just to play old games like takken 6-7 and gta iv-v)
He's right. Google AMD card issues, drivers have been a plague for decades.
he spittin factos tho 🗣️
If you've seen framechasers it's not just your country.
@@nontoxic9960 bruh lol
I bought my first AMD card in December of last year, so it's not even half a year old -- I've already experienced driver issues, it was the January driver or so that caused unplayable stutter to many games like battlefield 2042, this was well documented and happened to many people.
I got my first gaming PC in 2014, went through multiple nvidia cards until today, I can probably count on one hand the amount of times I found an issue to be driver related. That is almost 10 years of nvidia cards versus 5 months of an AMD card.
AMD cant compete and people act surprised? Took them until RDNA4 to implement ray tracing hardware that nvidia had back on the 20 series. Then intel came in and beat them in the low end on their first try... with much better upscaling.
A decent chunk of the market runs native with no raytracing soooo.....
@@baronvonslambert Its more about hype, having stuff like "giga omega better graphics" just makes headlines and gives fomo to the users. Atleast on the lower end cards
@@baronvonslambert it's marketing trick cause people are fukin' stupid. people thought that ps5 will do 8k gaming cause Sony said "8K" when releasing ps5 and 8K is on ps5 box. this is how stupid people are.
I love my 6800XT but the first one was a dud and had to be RMA'd. The newer one is doing great but a little louder than it should be. This is my first ALL AMD system I have build in over 13 years. Usually I build with Intel / Nvidia and in all honesty, I will be going back to that combination on my next build in a few years.
I'm still holding on to my RX 5700 XT and I'm not in a hurry to upgrade. I left nVIDIA behind 20 years ago when ATI released their Radeaon X800 card and I have not regretted that choice at all. I got a allround more stable card and I have never had any blue screens of death since with any Radeon card or any driver since. I don't use raytracing and so it's not a problem for me. I rather have a bit slower card and stable than an insane over-priced card and unstable. Not alot have changed in 20 years sure but apparently alot of the issues I had back then are still pressent in the current drivers.
Did you go to Business School or something? Your Titles and Thumbnails are on another level man..... I dont think I have ever seen you make a title or thumbnail that is nearly impossible to not click for someone interested in the PC space.
I am actually being serious because you are very talented at what you do & would like to get better at it myself.
The problem with the steam hardware survey is that *nobody does it*
I do it
its automatic lol with 1 button
bro probably thinking that you need to answer some questions etc instead of just pressing single button 🤣 so how nobody does it? show some proof
@@cloud380 I’m not thinking what you’re thinking I’m thinking. I watch people skip it constantly by dismissing its little pop up it does when the survey rolls around. Ofc I always participate in it.
@@cloud380 you can dismiss it.
The risk of rain music for the outro was a pleasant surprise.
i forgot what city it was but thats a pokemon theme you played at the beginning from the diamond/pearl/platinum series
Waiting for you to talk about ASUS's Scam
DLSS changed the game. I am playing AAA games on my 2022 midrange laptop with a 3050, on high graphics, at constant solid 60fps, only drawing 45watts of power.
You people don't understand how game changing Nvidia's hardware accelerated ai super solution is. It basically extended the life of entry level Nvidia GPUs.
I still remember when it used to be ATI. How different are they since AMD now makes them?
I just can't with the prices for either of the brands. At the moment I have to buy second hand 2 generations back basically. It's just gone ridiculous
I hope they are trolling and release a beastly gpu 😭
In the past this was a thing, today its doubtful because even if they give us a beastly gpu nobody will buy it.
Hopefully
Get help
@@temperedglass1130 u need to be put in a mental asylum (you need to be helped yourself)
They would,lose money by levelopingnhigh end gpus… that don`t sell enough!
The point is… development eats money. The money has to get back by selling product… and AMD gpus don`t sell!
NVIDIA market share is 78% AMD 21% so NVIDIA gets 4 times more money if they would use same money to development!
As a 7900 xtx owner, I really don't get why everyone is buying Nvidia
Then your world is stuck at AMD only. Go out from that AMD cacoon and see the reality of what GPU really is. Then you will understand why nvidia dominate GPU world
4080 is faster than the 7900xtx at literally almost every single workload including 3d rendering apps used by professionals
Because ray tracing
@@arenzricodexd4409 you are talking sh1t. I've owned AMD and Nvidia gpu's , for someone who don't wan't to spend a lot of money for midrange gpu AMD is the best in price/performance. I owned a 2070 S ( is in my daughter pc) and now in my pc i have a MSI 6800 non xt paired with and AMD 7700 non x cpu and they work beutiful togheter.
@@mitsuhh 4080 was on pair with 7900xtx and the 4080s closed that small difference. Nvidia is still the best Value
I'm on a 1080.
My next upgrade will be a Radeon, but waiting for next series and price drops.
Bang for buck is most important.
There needs to be a drastic change in the technology. I believe we reached peak with current tech. I'm taking a guess based on what I've been reading that Photonic technology will be the next evolution. This will be for all areas of chip technology.
don't like fake tweet thumbnails at all tbh..
AMD being AMD... You can't charge 90% of what Nvidia charges when your product is clearly inferior... Nvidia has better upscaling, better Ray Tracing, better frame generation and they have convinced a lot of people that that stuff matters... AMD could fight back with more V-Ram and better prices, but they refuse to... Their low-end cards have the same pathetic 8GB V-Ram that Nvidia's cards have, and they cost about the same... but Nvidia has a better up-scaler and better ray tracing, does it matter on this class of card, well, no not really, but if the cost is the same why wouldn't I. This has always been AMD's problem. They have never been the first to implement a new feature, they are always copying Nvidia... and the copy is never as good as Nvidia, and they don't offer a big enough discount for customers to accept an inferior copy of whatever Nvidia's doing.
AMD isn't as good as Nvidia If they want to compete they need to:
1. Offer more V-Ram than Nvidia AT EVERY PRICE TIER.
2. Stop with the fucking clamshell design and actually offer the wider memory bus that Nvidia refuses to offer to up memory bandwidth.
3. TAKE THE FUCKING RAYTRACING SHIT OFF THE LOW-END CARDS THAT ARE NOT POWERFUL ENOUGH TO EVEN TURN IT ON.
4. Accept a smaller margin on their products so they can LOWER THE FUCKING PRICES, cuz no one is going to buy AMD for 90% of Nvidia's price, they have to make it more like 75%...
See, the 4060 is a clamshell 8 Mb V-Ram card on a 128-bit bus and it costs about $300 USD. The 7600 is a clamshell 8 Mb V-Ram card on a 128-bit bus and it costs about $270 USD, that's a 10% discount. NO ONE IS GOING TO BUY AMD FOR A 10% DISCOUNT. Now imagine that the 7600 has 12GB of V-ram NOT ON A FUCKING CLAMSHELL DESIGN, with a real 196-bit memory bus, and the price is $225 now would you be interested. OK, so the up-scaler still isn't as good, and the Ray Tracing still sux, but the memory is much better and so is the memory bandwidth and the price... but AMD couldn't do that and make a profit on the card. YES THEY COULD YOU GODDAMN MORONS. They wouldn't make nearly as much profit as they would like to make, the margin would be much smaller, but they would absolutely still make a profit, and they would take over the market segment that the majority of people buy in. Most people cannot afford a 4090, If you look at the steam survey the market is dominated by the more affordable cards. The card Nvidia offers in this segment is a joke, the 4060 is crap, problem is the AMD offering, the 7600 is just as crap and not any cheaper so why wouldn't I buy a 4060 and 90% of people do... AMD is stupid, Nvidia isn't even trying in the budget GPU segment, the 4060 is a joke... All AMD had to do was make the 7600 not dogshit... and they couldn't do it... so Nvidia wins again without even trying, cuz AMD is Stupid.
amd needs to hear this
AMD is always the worst option. Has been since they started as ATI and will always be.
AMD has invented and put in features at times (Tensilica DSP, TrueAudio Next) but those are always useless and nobody wants it. AMD does that always same like with their Ryzen CPU. Absolute junk and Intel always has the far superior options.
Their problem is marketing and not keeping everything closed source and being a unethical company like Nvidia. Most of AMDs techniques are open source. Vulkan was started using Mantle which cost AMD millions in R&D yet they gave it to Khronos for free, who turned it into Vulkan which we now all enjoy. Also, when you turn off RT the value for money on AMDs side is insanely better than Nvidia right now. Which means you can buy and AMD card that, without RT, can actually run games at native resolutions without having to upscale for the same price.
AMD cant catch up to Nvidia. Its like stoping a big wave with only your hands.
They need to focus on the things they have and Nvidia dont, Vulkan or Fluid motion Frames.
They will never catch up to Nvidia otherwise.
@@stysner4580 The unethical Company lets me play Graphics far faaaaar superior to AMD.
AMD does not the Open Source thing because its lead by Jesus, AMD needs to because otherwise none buys one.
Their GPUs are nearly the same Price as Nvidia Cards and AMD is also selling them 1000€+
Btw, i got more Features or improvments on Nvidia side as on AMD side and thats why i pay more for Nvidia.
The thing that I wonder, though, is if it's really smart to focus on the lower end cards. That only works if they dedicate their time to make them *far* better in price to performance.
And they'd basically cut off the level of card that is currently their best-selling according to the Steam hardware survey.
I jump from rtx 2060 to a rx 7700xt and can't be happier. Really nice price i got here in Portugal.
I don't see them releasing RDNA 4 until November, December most likely, what are they doing to do with the old stock? RDNA 2 is still unsold.
Dlss and frame gen were reasons I was leaning more towards nvidia for newer graphics cards.
I have a 7900 XTX. In either raster, RT, PT, native fps or FSR3 FG, AFMF or Lossless Scaling Frame Gen, I'm doing 120 fps locked in basically any game. Resolutions vary wildy, but you can inject FSR 2.1, 3.0 or XeSS in almost every modern game, so it's all good.
Unrelated to the video but hearing Pokémon B&W music in the background is always nostalgic.
I got a 7800 XT between Xmas and new years. Have yet to get a steam hardware survey pop up.
Felt a bit expensive, but also probably the most bang for my buck
The Steam survey isn't perfect last time I was asked I was on my laptop with an RTX 2060 in it. On my desktop I've been AMD for my last three cards. The last time I put this anywhere somebody else said the same thing so it depends what system your using when you decide to get rid of the survey. I suspect I'm not the only one.
what really confuses me is i got a 7900xtx and ive been enjoying it. I put my old 3090 in my media and game server home-lab and i got the steam survey. I've reinstalled windows 3 times on my main pc for the new gfx card, a later mobo / ram upgrade and a later ssd upgrade/replacement and haven't got the survey. I wish they would just collect the "current actual numbers" instead of this "random" selection BS. when it comes to data like this, a few "tens of thousand" more entries isn't really a big deal for any reason than processing time or storage size although i only work with a data set of about 40k entries at my job so i understand that pales in comparison to the amount of data steam has to contend with.
So far I've had a 5700xt, 6600xt for my son's build and upgraded to a 7800xt. I'll probably upgrade for the 9000 series.
The thing about focusing on entry and mid level gpu is, people gonna look into the used market and get the most of their money there (I did).
I needed to replace my 2080. So I looked and compared prices and it was the 4080 vs the 7900xtx. The 7900xtx was better on paper, it was better price wise. And I still wanted a 4080. But I was lucky that the 7900xtx came in with availability and a discout so after 2 weeks of going back and forth I bit the bullet and got the 7900. I do NOT regret it. What this experience taught me is that Nvidia is the default video card maker, not because they're THAT much better, but because they have the mental realestate, just like grannies back in the day called every console a nintendo, even if it was a sega so everyone wanted a nintendo...
We need "ryzen root" pricing on amd gpu
As a 7900 XTX user im standing here clueless. Whats wrong with people?
Kind of hard to point out RTX performance when arc cards still have issues in other titles
I just built my first PC from the ground up and I went with a Gigabyte OC 7900 GRE and I'm happy with the card so far.
5:47 - My dude, I have no idea what you're talking about. You look good with a buzz cut, genuinely.
2:35 How much of that gaming revenue is crypto. That's what I want to know, especially since CUDA is a big player when it comes to efficiency.
Damn I love this channel bro thank you!!!