The way she uses her hands is fascinating. It's nuanced but really adds to shaping her character. At that point she's at least appearing absent minded but her hand gestures indicate she's quite comfortable letting this show, indicating how relaxed and in control she is. Her arch nemesis is already in the rear view mirror so to speak, she's just here to deliver the coup de gras, and enjoy watching him crumble. Her last words to him are utterly dismissive as well, she doesn't care whether he's scared of him or not. Great scene and JJL absolutely owns it.
Had to laugh when he said that! He murdered at least 4 people during the series alone, let alone how many before that were in the cistern under the windmill. Add to that, charges for kidnapping and assault and battery. And that, with hard proof in the form of bodies and witnesses. If anything, an appeal is laughable.
It is amazing, how she sees right through his facade from the very first moment and performs her surgery on the one thing, that holds him together: His beliefs. She effortlessly tears apart his libertarianism during their first meeting, and she turns his own social darwinism against him during their last one. It's just so brilliantly written and performed.
Like most Libertarians he simply looks at the world from a toddlers point of view and wants a world specifically made for him without any consequences for his actions. He’s like one of those guys who think that they’d thrive and survive in a zombie apocalypse (or any kind of apocalypse) instead of dying off within days like everyone else.
My favorite part of Jon Hamm’s performance this season is the nonverbal facial reactions that clearly show his doubts and fears despite his words and actions saying otherwise. He projects confidence in everything he says, but his face tells a very different story. It’s similar to how he acted Don Draper, but Roy is a lot less complex than Don, Roy is an evil coward.
I imagine dry skin is an issue in prison especially during northern winters, so I understand the need for Vaseline. But, is there more to Vienna sausages other than a tasty treat? 🤔
Ten years later and five seasons in and this is _still_ the absolute best show around (in my humble opinion, of course). Noah Hawley deserves so much more recognition for what he's been able to accomplish with both this series and Legion. I _can't fucking wait_ to see his upcoming Alien series, and then, eventually, Year 6 of Fargo.
There are only two scenes in the entire season where Lorraine and Roy actually meet face to face; the first is in E5 at her mansion and the last is in E10 at the prison, and in both scenes I feel that they're equally compelling. Being cast on this show must be a total dream for actors.
I love love lovee that instead of him having the upper hand (literally & figuratively) with women his entire life, that a powerful woman now has the upper hand on him. And she’s a lot more resourceful and strategic about her control over him. So freaking cool!!
I thought her phone conversation with the bank president in the strip club was the coldest moment in the show, but this scene easily bested it. Her character was plahing the revenge version of 3D chess.
Love, love, love this! The absolute perfect punishment for this nasty man. The look on Roy's face when it finally sinks it-priceless! Hats off to Jennifer Jason Leigh for playing one cold cookie, and playing her very well, indeed.
They are both vile, but she's the vile that is on the side of the person we like, so we're ok with her and even cheer her on. I did. Which is why this show was a mirror into the last 8 years of America.
Yeah that's the main factor. But I suspect there's more to it than that..... Something tells me that she was an abused wife once herself before she became what she is now.
As well as for what she discovered happened to her daughter-in-law by his hands, both before Dot first escaped him and after he recaptured her when she wound up in the hospital in North Dakota.
I love this scene so much! "This has nothing to do with that book. This is a much older text. Written on stone tablets. In the age of the skull fuckers..."
Such brilliant sound design - I've watched this a few times now but only on about the fourth viewing did I realise how at 4.26 all sound but Lorraine's voice fades away as she explains the true import of Roy's fate - as it sinks in, Lorraine slides the cigarettes over and the external sounds fade back in - brilliant.
This scene reminds me of that quote from VM Varga in season 3. "You see it all the time in the wild. The smaller animal going limp in the jaws of the larger."
When Indira went out of the room the look she gave him. That looks said if I could I would kill you right here right now: she wouldn't hesitate like Witt did.
I loved how this season incorporated music from seasons two and three at times, in addition to all of the brand new music (that synth in the first episode during the kidnapping attempt is _so_ damn good and sets the tone perfectly -- it feels very John Carpenter/Halloween-esque, establishing some of the horror-ish elements of the season with Munch). I seriously don't think Jeff Russo gets enough attention or recognition for his work on Fargo. His scores have been an integral component to what makes this show so incredible. And the music he made for Noah Hawley's other FX show, Legion, was just as great; in fact, there were actually a few moments in this new season where the music sounded like it would've fit right in on Legion, which utilized more synthesizers and was primarily influenced by Pink Floyd's _The Dark Side of the Moon._
@@IrishRhino2727 Roy has a nazi symbol on his neck, likely indicating that he joined the Aryan brotherhood in prison for protection. Well now all the prisoners (cell blocks A, B, D, and E) have been paid off to torture him. This now leaves him with that tattoo on his neck and no one to protect him from the consequences of having that tattoo.
Yeah, overall I'd say this season felt a bit like a mixture of the tones from the first two seasons combined with the almost oppressive bleakness of season three and, to some extent, four. However, unlike season three, this season's ending isn't left ambiguous and as such can be considered much happier (aside from Witt dying, of course :[)
I like how when Roy tells Lorraine that if she were in prison she would be "Queen Shit" and her smile narrows slightly. Its because unbeknownst to Roy, she already was long before he sat down and now she was going to spell it out how she climbed that laddar effortlessly.
She really turned around by the end of episode six. When I saw the look on her face after she looked at the FBI files with the pictures of Dot's past injuries at the hands of Roy and his goons, I immediately knew she was gonna lean more towards the good side. In the beginning it seemed as though Lorraine, Roy, and Munch were gonna be the three main antagonists whom Dot would have to contend with, but then as the season unfolds our perceptions of Lorraine and Munch slowly change, whereas with Roy we're slowly shown just how much of a total monster he truly is. It's still too soon to tell, but he may actually be up there with VM Varga as being my favorite Fargo villain (and Varga may be my all time favorite villain from any medium), simply because he feels the most like someone I could actually cross paths with--because there are many more real men just like him here in America than there are people like Lorne Malvo, Hanzee Dent, VM Varga, or Oraetta Mayflower.
Judge me O Lord according to my righteousness... Roy will die as he lived. Without grace. Only justice as he understands it. And the weight of his sins will crush him. No bisquick for him... only the consuming fire of the raging mother.
She was likely furious about having to find a suitable replacement for Danish too, he was damn good at his job, just sucks that he took the initiative with Roy instead of waiting for backup.
Why i like the direction I don't believe they established a better connection to the people she pointed out who were in her pocket. I feel a couple moments of roy in his cell reflecting getting some information or what would seem a conversation with one of them that would indicate he was a little at ease with or around them.
@@JTW89 i understand that but why even pan the camera over to those guys? Are they from a previous season of fargo? Were they his people from the raid? I don't see the significance of showing them.
@@IhatethewaythatyouDo you not understand what she did? Like what are you talking about? Why would those two dudes be anyone but random prisoners? Why should they be anyone else? Like come on dude.
Lyon paid off the entire prison. All the prisoners. All the guards. The warden. The cooks. The doctors. Every. Body. She owns the prison now. It is her private torture chamber for Roy.
@@Ihatethewaythatyou let me help you out here boxed. In prison there's a hierarchy and there are certain people that represent that hierarchy. Those two guys you're wondering about might have been what they call in prison shot callers. They are the guys who've been in long enough to get things done. Now does that help any?
Probably the exterior. The interior they probably redid on soundstage..... It is a pain in the butt to get a production to film inside an actual prison. By the way that is one bad prison you live near.
@rolandmiller5456 there is some nasty dudes living there I know that. Obama had plans of making it a mini alcatraz then it was gonna shut down due to a corrupt warden
@@Trishisadish This season was filmed in late-2022 and early-2023. Liotta died in May of 2022, which was quite a while before principal photography began.
@cz4182 why didnt she just shoot him? Roy is NOT one of those villains that has an air of redeeming human quality in him. He has nothing important to teach us as a character. She had no problem killing before. But the one moment it will provide catharsis, she let's him talk and gets taken away?!
@@ty_teynium In the episode, Dorothy does shoot him in the gut, but he manages to barely get away before she can finish the job. That's how he winds up here. He's not here to be redeemed, he's here to be punished and punished and punished, for however many decades he has left.
@BonnieBugsy That's not what happens. He slits the throat of that old man in the chair [ seriously, no idea who that guy was], turns around, gets shot by Dorothy. He lays their bleeding. She stands there, hovering over him, has him dead in her sights, and ... Nothing... Still nothing. Why is nothing happening? Why isn't she shooting him? Now the FBI arrives, and she goes arms up, saying, "I'm innocent!". I am not saying I want him redeemed; hell no! I want Dorothy to resolve or catharsis
Roy is a warlord with mediocere criminal managemnt skills (probably because he's a sheriff made him soft and sloppy) and solid skills with a gun and knife - Malvo, Hanzee and Ole Munch are Grand Masters though
I agree with all of you. I was just curious as to what other people would think. Malvo likes to play the long game so he has patience and I feel like he's more cunning
I really don't like that we're supposed to cheer for prison rape here. What's the message exactly? "The prison system is completely broken, but at least awesome debt-lady can break it the other way also"?
"Message"... this is Fargo. Every season is just the main character trying to survive while they unintentionally leave a path of carnage behind them. Both Roy and Lorraine are shitty people, Lorraine just happen to come out on top by the end. This show has always been filled with grey characters.
@@rodrigosantoscienceros Lorraine is as dark grey as it gets, she doesn't hate her daughter-in-law anymore, whoopdedoo. Otherwise, this season's characters are flat black and white caricatures, as well acted as they may be. Also, especially season 3 is so rich in messaging and what it has to say about the world. People dismissing the idea that Fargo could convey meaning and message just shows what a ridiculous circle-jerk season 5 has become.
We're cheering for a vile man to experience the kind of brutality he inflicted on all those women, and men. That's all, and it doesn't have to be more complicated than that. If you're uncomfortable cheering for that sort of eye for an eye, then this series is not for you.
hate me if you will, but regardless of the level of talent, and I love JJL's whole career up to now....I can't get past what they do to their faces. I just can't. No way a dude in prison in this situation isn't mentioning it either. He'd be like, you may have won, but your face is melting and I'm still good looking.
Yeah you're definitely living up to your handle. The prettier you are in prison the more likely you are to become a target and remember she's not a target she is a free woman that can do everything that she said she would do. You can criticize her looks all you want to but you better damn well respect her power or is that an issue with you as well? If we live long enough all of us will show signs of aging etcetera. So for you to stick that and say I can't get past it to me that shows you're a little bit more AR then you need to be.
@@rolandmiller5456 what are you even babbling about? I am merely pointing out that realistic writing would not have the guy in this scene ignore the fact that his nemesis in the scene is guilty of carving herself up for the sake of vanity. He has no other power here but to get in a dig anyway. He doesn't because all of Hollywood industry is the very entity that encourages them to deface themselves to stay relevant as actresses. They don't have to actually do it if they don't want to, Leigh wasn't about to go broke being a star since the nineties. She used to be beautiful, and still would be if she didn't look like the same freak mannequin that everyone who goes that route ends up looking like. Does this clear up my point a bit better, whether you agree or not, nothing you replied with made any sense as a response to what I meant.
It's not supposed to be considered good or principled or admirable, the scene isn't presenting her as a morally just person in any way, so I don't see the point of your comment.
My only issue is that, they seem to think that she's the good guy. How many of you have been harmed by a militia? How many of you have been harmed by debt , banks taking ypur house, student loans,etc? Corruption, wrongful convictions from corruption? Roy is the villian, and i like her character. But shes the bigger villian in society
Wow a doofus, impulsive nazi - such a multi-layered villain. Really makes you appreciate the powerful wahmen fighting him. The season was a feminist power fantasy cartoon.
I don't think Roy's character was ever depicted as a doofus. He was pretty cunning. He was also hypocritical and uncaring and a weird sex freak with nipple rings.
Do you really think the show is idolizing the insane behavior of Lorraine? She is pretty clearly a monster, who happens to be on the side of a good person. Her behavior here is in total contrast to that of Dot at the end. Shit, the finale's biggest hero is a male cop! Maybe learn to analyze media with something other than Ben Shapiro talking points.
@@Rclibertine The cop was as incompetent as they come when it comes to being a cop: - Run out in the open in front of the gas station like a headless chicken, begs to be shot - gets shot (but in the leg, because of plot armor) -Goes after Dorothy alone in the finale, even though he had literal special forces behind him -Fails to obey the first thing they teach you at the police academy - keep 21 feet of distance between you and a perp armed with a melee weapon In conclusion, he was also a male doofus character. With a good heart. But still a doofus.
Jennifer Jason Leigh killed it in this series. I LOVED her. She played that role perfectly.
agreed she was great
@jaygoble540 I totally agree! 💯
The way she uses her hands is fascinating. It's nuanced but really adds to shaping her character. At that point she's at least appearing absent minded but her hand gestures indicate she's quite comfortable letting this show, indicating how relaxed and in control she is. Her arch nemesis is already in the rear view mirror so to speak, she's just here to deliver the coup de gras, and enjoy watching him crumble. Her last words to him are utterly dismissive as well, she doesn't care whether he's scared of him or not. Great scene and JJL absolutely owns it.
Imma just say she was good because from the moment she opened her mouth I couldn't stand her so yeah she played this part well
@@dalehardges5456 She was unbearable the first few episodes but she got a lot better as the season went on
I love that Roy is all "The system's rigged against me!" Meanwhile, Lorraine's going "Uh, yeah. Who do you think rigged it, dipshit?"
Had to laugh when he said that! He murdered at least 4 people during the series alone, let alone how many before that were in the cistern under the windmill. Add to that, charges for kidnapping and assault and battery. And that, with hard proof in the form of bodies and witnesses. If anything, an appeal is laughable.
It is amazing, how she sees right through his facade from the very first moment and performs her surgery on the one thing, that holds him together: His beliefs. She effortlessly tears apart his libertarianism during their first meeting, and she turns his own social darwinism against him during their last one. It's just so brilliantly written and performed.
Brilliant analysis, well articulated.
Like most Libertarians he simply looks at the world from a toddlers point of view and wants a world specifically made for him without any consequences for his actions. He’s like one of those guys who think that they’d thrive and survive in a zombie apocalypse (or any kind of apocalypse) instead of dying off within days like everyone else.
Roy's biggest mistake was thinking that death would be the worst thing that could happen to him.
He is naive, afterall...like a baby 😅
No this, what he’s getting in prison, is a fate worse than death.
Dying is way too easy
Some bofu.
" you hear me boy...youll bleed black cock"
I love how they make everything silent when Lorraine tells him what’s in store for him. The music stops, the background chatter stops…it’s just her
My favorite part of Jon Hamm’s performance this season is the nonverbal facial reactions that clearly show his doubts and fears despite his words and actions saying otherwise. He projects confidence in everything he says, but his face tells a very different story. It’s similar to how he acted Don Draper, but Roy is a lot less complex than Don, Roy is an evil coward.
"Vaseline and Vienna sausages." 😂😂😂
Me thinks Roy is going to wearing lipstick
I imagine dry skin is an issue in prison especially during northern winters, so I understand the need for Vaseline. But, is there more to Vienna sausages other than a tasty treat? 🤔
@@Bono6234 I think that since smoking is bad for you, they are banned in prisons, so the new currency is Vienna sausages.
@@Bono6234to get his cheeks adjusted 😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂 gets me everytime
lmao he really tried to talk her about "f*cking the weak", she s the embodiment of that
Ten years later and five seasons in and this is _still_ the absolute best show around (in my humble opinion, of course). Noah Hawley deserves so much more recognition for what he's been able to accomplish with both this series and Legion. I _can't fucking wait_ to see his upcoming Alien series, and then, eventually, Year 6 of Fargo.
@@Darius-_3&5 weren’t rated low at all
@@Darius-_ and? They’re by no means bad nor at the bottom of the barrel
@@Darius-_ thing is seasons 3&5 have excellent reviews. So, I don’t know where you’re getting your info from.
@@Darius-_ they’re not above the first two seasons, but, as I said, 3&5 are not at the bottom of the barrel.
Yeah I loved this season it really made me realize how awful white men are
Jon really went crazy with this role, but Jennifer stole the show.
There are only two scenes in the entire season where Lorraine and Roy actually meet face to face; the first is in E5 at her mansion and the last is in E10 at the prison, and in both scenes I feel that they're equally compelling.
Being cast on this show must be a total dream for actors.
@@LanceVanceDance84 except for Dave Foley, who I couldn't buy as that character.
@@KurtI2525 I thought he was great, maybe it's because I haven't seen his other stuff.
Jon Hamm is really good at facial expression. He can make the veins on his forehead move. You can read what he’s feeling.
He's about to find out about the "natural" order.
With no lube
Just for starters.
I love love lovee that instead of him having the upper hand (literally & figuratively) with women his entire life, that a powerful woman now has the upper hand on him. And she’s a lot more resourceful and strategic about her control over him. So freaking cool!!
I thought her phone conversation with the bank president in the strip club was the coldest moment in the show, but this scene easily bested it. Her character was plahing the revenge version of 3D chess.
Love, love, love this! The absolute perfect punishment for this nasty man. The look on Roy's face when it finally sinks it-priceless! Hats off to Jennifer Jason Leigh for playing one cold cookie, and playing her very well, indeed.
They are both vile, but she's the vile that is on the side of the person we like, so we're ok with her and even cheer her on. I did. Which is why this show was a mirror into the last 8 years of America.
Roy didn't know what country he was in. He thought he could go against the person with all the money.
i want a spinoff of Lorraine Lyon yesterday
She's so badass.
Oh same. She’s a bad bitch and that’s why I love her.
Why? Her character has run its course
@@rodrigosantoscienceros a spinoff where we learn how she became the Lyoness that she is would be awesome tho
ABSOLUTELY!
"What do they do, something with books?" 😂😂😂
Its punishment for sending Graves to the grave
Yeah that's the main factor. But I suspect there's more to it than that..... Something tells me that she was an abused wife once herself before she became what she is now.
As well as for what she discovered happened to her daughter-in-law by his hands, both before Dot first escaped him and after he recaptured her when she wound up in the hospital in North Dakota.
Awesome revenge scene. Ice cold, just a few quiet words and Marlboro Man's empire crumbles into dust.
I love this scene so much! "This has nothing to do with that book. This is a much older text. Written on stone tablets. In the age of the skull fuckers..."
Such brilliant sound design - I've watched this a few times now but only on about the fourth viewing did I realise how at 4.26 all sound but Lorraine's voice fades away as she explains the true import of Roy's fate - as it sinks in, Lorraine slides the cigarettes over and the external sounds fade back in - brilliant.
This scene reminds me of that quote from VM Varga in season 3.
"You see it all the time in the wild. The smaller animal going limp in the jaws of the larger."
"On some level, food knows it's food."
I can’t watch this scene too many times. If only all bullies and abusers ended up this way.
5:25 First time Roy was really reeally scared
I love this scene, watching his face as he realizes what is coming....
If this doesn't win an Emmy for Jennifer Jason Leigh nothing will.
Roy is a twisted savage and played the role well
It’s the first season that they actually fully turned the tables on the main villain without giving them an easy out.
Well, no... the first season
@@boxer12350 Getting Colin Hanks to shoot him (as opposed to turning him over to the cops) was also a 'win' for him in a way.
When Indira went out of the room the look she gave him. That looks said if I could I would kill you right here right now: she wouldn't hesitate like Witt did.
5:02 Same music when Patrick Wilson and Ted Danson emerge on the cabin in season two. Badass.
I loved how this season incorporated music from seasons two and three at times, in addition to all of the brand new music (that synth in the first episode during the kidnapping attempt is _so_ damn good and sets the tone perfectly -- it feels very John Carpenter/Halloween-esque, establishing some of the horror-ish elements of the season with Munch).
I seriously don't think Jeff Russo gets enough attention or recognition for his work on Fargo. His scores have been an integral component to what makes this show so incredible. And the music he made for Noah Hawley's other FX show, Legion, was just as great; in fact, there were actually a few moments in this new season where the music sounded like it would've fit right in on Legion, which utilized more synthesizers and was primarily influenced by Pink Floyd's _The Dark Side of the Moon._
The theme of the GOAT HANZEE
@@LanceVanceDance84They used Wrench and Numbers theme from season one about 3 times as well.
JJL killed it in this role.
Lorraine and Ole were sort of like kindred spirits. Both killers! Season 5 was amazing. IMO, it was the best of all of the Fargo seasons.
Both tamed by the same Tiger!
Do you notice the way Lorraine said, “Vaseline…”?
Hard times for a hard man.
Heeee, heeee, heeee!
Really really hard.
Getting harder by the minute
_"I love that colour on you."_ - 👏🏻😂👏🏻😂
If revenge is a dish best served cold, she just slurped down a 50 lbs. block of ice!
So satisfying. Lorraine. 'I'm not afraid of you'... 'It's not me you need to be afraid of...' What a show.
I watch this at least once a day. JJL is so good here.
Thanks for putting this clip up.
Best series of Fargo yet!
Roy saying prison is the way the world should really be with the neck tattoo is hilarious
Lol and now he has to go around with that tattoo on his neck without any protection from his recently paid off Aryan chums 😂
oh wow, I didn't even notice the tattoo until now 😬😵
I don’t follow?
@@IrishRhino2727 Roy has a nazi symbol on his neck, likely indicating that he joined the Aryan brotherhood in prison for protection. Well now all the prisoners (cell blocks A, B, D, and E) have been paid off to torture him. This now leaves him with that tattoo on his neck and no one to protect him from the consequences of having that tattoo.
I mean it’s the state that makes the prisons that way not the individual, but they might like it.
He had so many chances to back off and just slide on and he didn't
yep. Foiled any chance of that when he killed her favorite lawyer
Hubris the fall of man
This was truly a fantastic season...and really dark.
Yeah, overall I'd say this season felt a bit like a mixture of the tones from the first two seasons combined with the almost oppressive bleakness of season three and, to some extent, four. However, unlike season three, this season's ending isn't left ambiguous and as such can be considered much happier (aside from Witt dying, of course :[)
Jon Hamm was astounding in this show. Completely disappeared into this character.
Roy started to walk like a duck shortly after that 🦆
*I ABSOLUTELY LOVE JENNIFER JASON LEIGH!. **#BLESSINGSBEAUTIFUL*
K.O. what a great scene. Thanks for sharing
5:30, the moment you realise just how fucked you are, but the realisation is meaningless compared to the reality that waits.
How very old Testament of her-an eye for an eye, etc.
The hammurabi code. It predated the old testament
Notice she didn't pay off the debt to cell block c.
Maybe she didn't need to. That swastika may encourage a response from certain elements.
C probably esses and brothers
It’s her beloved dad’s head tilt for me.
Love her performance as Lorraine.
JJL is amazing!🤩
3:31 Roy's gonna get bent and cheek-clapped
You've been saying this all over, unhealthy obsession
This is so great Jennifer Jason leigh is brilliant in this scene .
Thanks for posting. Great scene
Best scene ever!!!! ❤❤❤❤❤
Karma is a b***h, Roy!
I like how when Roy tells Lorraine that if she were in prison she would be "Queen Shit" and her smile narrows slightly.
Its because unbeknownst to Roy, she already was long before he sat down and now she was going to spell it out how she climbed that laddar effortlessly.
She was in prison?
@@ImTheCrook187 She was the queen. Cause she'd already turned three blocks' worth of inmates into her subordinates.
Me, episode 1: OMG I effing HATE her.
Me, by season’s end: OMG, I THINK I LOVE HER?!?! ❤
She really turned around by the end of episode six. When I saw the look on her face after she looked at the FBI files with the pictures of Dot's past injuries at the hands of Roy and his goons, I immediately knew she was gonna lean more towards the good side. In the beginning it seemed as though Lorraine, Roy, and Munch were gonna be the three main antagonists whom Dot would have to contend with, but then as the season unfolds our perceptions of Lorraine and Munch slowly change, whereas with Roy we're slowly shown just how much of a total monster he truly is. It's still too soon to tell, but he may actually be up there with VM Varga as being my favorite Fargo villain (and Varga may be my all time favorite villain from any medium), simply because he feels the most like someone I could actually cross paths with--because there are many more real men just like him here in America than there are people like Lorne Malvo, Hanzee Dent, VM Varga, or Oraetta Mayflower.
She's still a horrible bastard, but at least she is our bastard.
Me too!!!!
I wonder what Roy was thinking about after Lorraine left…..
And that's.... How babies are made!
Judge me O Lord according to my righteousness...
Roy will die as he lived. Without grace. Only justice as he understands it. And the weight of his sins will crush him.
No bisquick for him... only the consuming fire of the raging mother.
the best scene is Mounch visiting the Tiger "a debt must be paid".
The second time Jon Hamm has ended a TV season in jail for spousal abuse lol.
She was likely furious about having to find a suitable replacement for Danish too, he was damn good at his job, just sucks that he took the initiative with Roy instead of waiting for backup.
The best possible punishment for Roy
In honor of Danish
Why i like the direction I don't believe they established a better connection to the people she pointed out who were in her pocket.
I feel a couple moments of roy in his cell reflecting getting some information or what would seem a conversation with one of them that would indicate he was a little at ease with or around them.
The point was she paid them ALL off.
@@JTW89 i understand that but why even pan the camera over to those guys?
Are they from a previous season of fargo?
Were they his people from the raid?
I don't see the significance of showing them.
@@IhatethewaythatyouDo you not understand what she did? Like what are you talking about? Why would those two dudes be anyone but random prisoners? Why should they be anyone else?
Like come on dude.
Lyon paid off the entire prison. All the prisoners. All the guards. The warden. The cooks. The doctors. Every. Body. She owns the prison now. It is her private torture chamber for Roy.
@@Ihatethewaythatyou let me help you out here boxed.
In prison there's a hierarchy and there are certain people that represent that hierarchy.
Those two guys you're wondering about might have been what they call in prison shot callers.
They are the guys who've been in long enough to get things done.
Now does that help any?
I live right down the road from the Thomson prison does anyone know if they really filmed this scene there?
Probably the exterior. The interior they probably redid on soundstage..... It is a pain in the butt to get a production to film inside an actual prison.
By the way that is one bad prison you live near.
@rolandmiller5456 there is some nasty dudes living there I know that. Obama had plans of making it a mini alcatraz then it was gonna shut down due to a corrupt warden
Damn! Ice water!!!
Jesus Christ Jon Hamm is handsome
I thought he looked pretty terrible in this show. Grizzly and bloated. But that could just be my repulsion for the character.
Is one of the prisoners Ray Liotta?
No, Liotta died in 2022.
@@themaestro2572 yes but this was filmed prior to that...in a later episode they did acknowledge his passing.. sad... I will miss his intense demeanor
@@Trishisadish This season was filmed in late-2022 and early-2023. Liotta died in May of 2022, which was quite a while before principal photography began.
JENNIFER JASON LEIGH IS MOTHER
I don't quite get the packet of cigarettes. Was there some hidden meaning?
He’s gonna have a hard time in jail..man’s gonna need them cigarettes for some stress relief😂
Look at the men she’s pointing to around 3:30. They about to ‘play’ with Roy.
the smokes are same as U.S. currency in prison. things or favors are bought or traded with them.
I'm a smoker so that one pack ain't gonna cut it 😅😅😅...it's extremely cruel because any one of the prisoners could just take the whole pack...
You can trade cigarettes in prison for favors….
GULP.
I could fix him fr. 😂 God he was FINE 😭
Wait, he just goes to jail?!? After all that, he just gets taken to jail?!
Well where else would he go? A quick death would have been too easy for him, that's the point of this scene.
@cz4182 why didnt she just shoot him? Roy is NOT one of those villains that has an air of redeeming human quality in him. He has nothing important to teach us as a character. She had no problem killing before. But the one moment it will provide catharsis, she let's him talk and gets taken away?!
She wants him beaten and graped in prison. Worse than death.@@ty_teynium
@@ty_teynium In the episode, Dorothy does shoot him in the gut, but he manages to barely get away before she can finish the job. That's how he winds up here. He's not here to be redeemed, he's here to be punished and punished and punished, for however many decades he has left.
@BonnieBugsy That's not what happens. He slits the throat of that old man in the chair [ seriously, no idea who that guy was], turns around, gets shot by Dorothy. He lays their bleeding. She stands there, hovering over him, has him dead in her sights, and ...
Nothing...
Still nothing.
Why is nothing happening? Why isn't she shooting him?
Now the FBI arrives, and she goes arms up, saying, "I'm innocent!".
I am not saying I want him redeemed; hell no! I want Dorothy to resolve or catharsis
My question is who do you think would win? Roy or Malvo?
Malvo would run circles around Roy with ease
Malvo, easily
Roy is some guy, Malvo is the devil
Roy is a warlord with mediocere criminal managemnt skills (probably because he's a sheriff made him soft and sloppy) and solid skills with a gun and knife - Malvo, Hanzee and Ole Munch are Grand Masters though
I agree with all of you. I was just curious as to what other people would think. Malvo likes to play the long game so he has patience and I feel like he's more cunning
Why would cigarettes come in handy?
You can trade them for Vaseline and vienna sausages.
@@townzen190i think this is gonna be my answer for everything forever.
it's to tease him that he can't buy his way out because she bought all the prisoners.
All the non consensual sex he’s gonna be having he might want some cigs to calm down afterwards
@@townzen190 i dont think so
I really don't like that we're supposed to cheer for prison rape here. What's the message exactly? "The prison system is completely broken, but at least awesome debt-lady can break it the other way also"?
"Message"... this is Fargo. Every season is just the main character trying to survive while they unintentionally leave a path of carnage behind them. Both Roy and Lorraine are shitty people, Lorraine just happen to come out on top by the end. This show has always been filled with grey characters.
@@rodrigosantoscienceros Lorraine is as dark grey as it gets, she doesn't hate her daughter-in-law anymore, whoopdedoo. Otherwise, this season's characters are flat black and white caricatures, as well acted as they may be.
Also, especially season 3 is so rich in messaging and what it has to say about the world. People dismissing the idea that Fargo could convey meaning and message just shows what a ridiculous circle-jerk season 5 has become.
@@FluorineerTouch Grass 🤣🤣🤣
I don't think there's anything wrong with getting emotional over a show you love@@COrraThereal0ne
We're cheering for a vile man to experience the kind of brutality he inflicted on all those women, and men. That's all, and it doesn't have to be more complicated than that. If you're uncomfortable cheering for that sort of eye for an eye, then this series is not for you.
hate me if you will, but regardless of the level of talent, and I love JJL's whole career up to now....I can't get past what they do to their faces. I just can't. No way a dude in prison in this situation isn't mentioning it either. He'd be like, you may have won, but your face is melting and I'm still good looking.
Yeah you're definitely living up to your handle. The prettier you are in prison the more likely you are to become a target and remember she's not a target she is a free woman that can do everything that she said she would do.
You can criticize her looks all you want to but you better damn well respect her power or is that an issue with you as well?
If we live long enough all of us will show signs of aging etcetera.
So for you to stick that and say I can't get past it to me that shows you're a little bit more AR then you need to be.
@@rolandmiller5456 what are you even babbling about? I am merely pointing out that realistic writing would not have the guy in this scene ignore the fact that his nemesis in the scene is guilty of carving herself up for the sake of vanity. He has no other power here but to get in a dig anyway. He doesn't because all of Hollywood industry is the very entity that encourages them to deface themselves to stay relevant as actresses. They don't have to actually do it if they don't want to, Leigh wasn't about to go broke being a star since the nineties. She used to be beautiful, and still would be if she didn't look like the same freak mannequin that everyone who goes that route ends up looking like. Does this clear up my point a bit better, whether you agree or not, nothing you replied with made any sense as a response to what I meant.
Appointing conservative justices to the Supreme Court is good and feminist when a girlboss does it 😎
It's not supposed to be considered good or principled or admirable, the scene isn't presenting her as a morally just person in any way, so I don't see the point of your comment.
Hahaha. Nice try
My only issue is that, they seem to think that she's the good guy.
How many of you have been harmed by a militia?
How many of you have been harmed by debt , banks taking ypur house, student loans,etc? Corruption, wrongful convictions from corruption?
Roy is the villian, and i like her character. But shes the bigger villian in society
They really hit us with the Hanzee drums at the end... nailed it.
The worst final...
I don’t know what show you were watching but the entire 5th season was EPIC.
@@gailwebb9619 To a 14 year old perhaps
Wow a doofus, impulsive nazi - such a multi-layered villain. Really makes you appreciate the powerful wahmen fighting him.
The season was a feminist power fantasy cartoon.
Everything is about girl power now, its kinda funny bc they say they hate men but try to do everything we do lol. Its really upside down
I don't think Roy's character was ever depicted as a doofus. He was pretty cunning. He was also hypocritical and uncaring and a weird sex freak with nipple rings.
Sorry you didn’t like it. Maybe for next season you can write in your own script. Or you could shut the fuck up.
Do you really think the show is idolizing the insane behavior of Lorraine? She is pretty clearly a monster, who happens to be on the side of a good person. Her behavior here is in total contrast to that of Dot at the end. Shit, the finale's biggest hero is a male cop! Maybe learn to analyze media with something other than Ben Shapiro talking points.
@@Rclibertine The cop was as incompetent as they come when it comes to being a cop:
- Run out in the open in front of the gas station like a headless chicken, begs to be shot - gets shot (but in the leg, because of plot armor)
-Goes after Dorothy alone in the finale, even though he had literal special forces behind him
-Fails to obey the first thing they teach you at the police academy - keep 21 feet of distance between you and a perp armed with a melee weapon
In conclusion, he was also a male doofus character. With a good heart. But still a doofus.
Dying is not hard, living is much harder, especially with a bunch of dudes who haven't seen women in a long time.
Rigged. Sounds familiar. Go to jail Trump.
What a shit*ty season it was. I barely finished
I played Lorraine in this scene. It was a real thrill to get to work on this show.