Range Rover L405 L494 Steering Knuckle Failure
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- čas přidán 9. 09. 2024
- Our Land Rover Range Rover L405 is grounded, because it is a serious death trap. The steering knuckle of the front suspension has a serious crack. So far, Land Rover did not issue a safety recall in Germany for this known problem, which leaves many owners lifes exposed to a large risk.
Please check out our video to learn about the high risk and immediately check out if your L405 or L494 is effected as well.
We are not liable for any harm you do to your car, your engine, your surroundings or yourself. Use the information given in this video at your own risk.
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Sent this to a buddy of mine. Lo and behold. He now owes us both a cold one.
In defence of JLR there is no way the engineers believed the bearings would out last the knuckles……or the engine.
First plausible explanation 😂👍
I had exactly the same, mine was just newer than recall and Land Rover were having non of it. I even went to the DVSA here in the UK to highlight the danger, they too not interested. Zero concern from Land Rover on this one, glad your highlighting.
I am somewhat convinced that the DOT will force a recall on LR. However, we will find out.
@@Vera_and_Christian I wonder would a C spacer between the join would relieve the stress and make even pressure to stop further cracking on new parts
Re the managers statement saying no problems disclosed in Germany ( or words to that effect) if i can paraphrase Mandy Rice -
Davies “he would (say that)wouldn’t he”.
All i can say is that it is a bit of a rum do. All the best from England.Ps, just want to add to this post to get the Jag, i would like to hear where the knock is from. “Are you feeling Lucky” 😀.
How would your engineer at your work design this part without adding any weight?
@@rob612 IMPRESSED. Thank you.
You and your lovely wife are not just the funniest people on youtube you are also the most enjoyable.Your description of countries that drive on the right hand side was the funniest thing i ever saw on youtube besides being a super mechanic/engineer you are so clever about all things land rover please never stop making the videos
They will never stop making repair videos...................... because they will never buy a Toyota.................
That is definitely a recall. Once you have notified Land Rover all these vehicles need to be stopped and taken off the road. They will have huge liability here if they can’t prove an aftermarket torque problem.
In Australia a few years ago I had one of Australia's biggest selling cars. The a/c hose leaked out all the gas right on warranty expiry (on time, the car was low klms). The dealer said they had never seen that issue before however the internet was full of discussion on the exact issue. Even a mate who worked at a dealer said it's a common problem. Never trust what the dealer says 😞
Oh what a feeling…..
I agree, the dealers are full of bullshit. Still, the gas leakage beats the heck out of a snapped crankshaft.
@@phillippereira6468Toyota
Was it a Toyota? 😉
A gas leak also beats having a front wheel fall off at highway speed!
Looking up from underneath and seeing a crack, LR Time never fails to deliver 🤣
Go to your room
@@harveysmith100 😂
74 countries including India and Austrailia and the UK drive left side lol
Really enjoying your videos. Love Germany and the people. Lived in NRW for 2 years. Didnt want to come back to England... Keep this content coming :)
Land Rover don’t like paying for recalls. They never admitted the oil dilution issue with diesel Ingenium engines, just gave extra free oil changes until the car was out of warranty so the car was not their problem anymore…….. 😐
No car manufacture likes recalls, our friends Volvo XC40 Hybrid went up in flames at 18 months old - never accepted liability, since found out they are definitely not the only ones...
The Jaguar will be a brilliant project. Especially as I'm thinking of getting one.
From LR to Jag. You must love misery or high maintenance beautiful vehicles (and women before Vera). 🙃
I just love the way that Christian explains a situation/problem. When he is finished there is no drought or questions.
Christian you should do "After Dinner Speeches" with the topic "How to make a mountain out of a molehill".
You have "Desktop Mechanics" another CZcamsr has "Health & Safety Police" (UK)
Thanks 😂
Excellent Duty of Care applied here, Christian.
Thailand also drives on the Left, the correct side! Good show!
🦘😀
And Japan 🇯🇵
And Malta and Cyprus.
Wonderful, Land Rovers always deliver. I'm a desktop mechanic and I thought your idea about crack testing was overrated, until I saw the other side cracked as well, so now I'm having a moment of cognitive dissonance. lol. Best of luck getting something to happen before the end of the universe, but we must live in hope. In the meantime, I know now not to park next to a Queen in case it falls on me, so for that I am grateful. I hope you enjoyed your holiday Christian, always nice to have some time.
Yes, don’t park next to them. 😂😂😂 lol. Christian
This is public service broadcasting. I can't see why the clamp bolt is that long, surely that can't be OEM. Well done Christian & Vera, you might have just saved someone's life. Well done.
The first part of the bolt isn't threaded, probably about 25mm or so. I assume it's for helping to locate the slot and taper on the ball joint before being able to pull the full diameter of the bolt through.
One life he saved might have been his own. Of course, 180kph is like 40mph in 'Merica so how dangerous is it really?
yes the bolt is that long also on my 2022 defender x
I work at a JLR Shop in Germany. These are the original OEM bolts.
@@cjhickspe1399more like 100 mph
Hi Guys, another great video. As per your last comment, my 2015 discovery is actually a "hybrid", because it is very often connected to a battery charger.
LOL 😂 👍
Back in the eighties when your ancestors did this, priceless!
Thank you Christian & Vera I love watching your videos & I also know nothing about Toyota cars
Brilliant video as per usual. Christian, your next project car should have the JLR 2.0 litre Ingenium diesel engine in it. There are a lot of them around, and by all accounts it will surely provide you with endless video footage for this channel, especially if you get a car where it's mounted transversely, because that appears to be related to all sorts of grief related to emissions reduction systems.
Yes. Oil dilution problems. Broken timing gear. Electrical gremlins. DPF problems. Horrific diesel consumption. 😂😂😂
Brilliant vid as always. Loved the geography lesson 😂😂.
Buy the Jag, it’s good to get challenged from time to time. Re: Metal fatigue. Many years ago, I worked for Hawker Siddley in Hatfield UK. My office window overlooked the water tank they used to test the hulls of the doomed Comet aircraft before they knew about metal fatigue. The windows of the plane were square shaped, the cracks happened in the corners.
Used to drive past the site. Visited when they were still making 146's. Now it's all a University site
Not sure it was so much the shape of the windows (although Boeing changed the early 707 designs to oval windows from square). It was the riveting processes that started the cracks on metal that was too thin for the pressures being applied and disapplied.
@@1chish They added an aerial and the drilling for that started the crack but the window shape was significant.
@@johnmoruzzi7236 Sorry that was not what the official report found after they created the world first submerged pressure test. A synopsis of the tests revealed:
* G-ALYU was placed inside the tank
* All internal cabin fixtures were
removed and replaced with weights
* ‘YU’ had already completed 1121
Passenger flights
* ‘YU’ had completed 10 pressurised
flights with de Havilland plus other
tests
* A further 1826 simulated cycles were
completed before fatigue failure of the
pressure cabin from a crack growing
from a rivet hole at the forward port
escape hatch
One conclusion was the rivet holes were punched not drilled and this led to fatigue cracks.
An early Comet 2 was also put under the same testing (it had rounded windows) and the failures were in riveting not the windows.
Thank you so much for this video, I have a L494 and definitely going to check this out.
Ralph from South Africa 🇿🇦
Christian, I think we have very similar taste in cars. Thanks for taking the time to show everyone this problem and trying to address it in a country that drives on the right side of the road.
I would love to see you pick up an XJ. I think it's one of the nicest Jags ever produced. Massively underrated. You don't see many of them on the road.
Agree
A very good friend of mine lets me use his X351 XJR from time to time.
Hugely underrated.
Supercharged XJ RARE here in the U.K.
GET IT with my wife I’ve figured it out ! It’s easier to seek forgiveness then permission 😂
Had MB, BMW etc. XJ V8 3.5 Petrol was the best of the lot. Wish I’d never sold it. Towed a big caravan with it and still got up to 23mpg. My previous MB E320 returned 15th!
I had an XF, a beautiful car😊😊
Oh wow. Good for you for taking this to the Department of Transport. I must say that doesn't look like a big or strong enough knuckle for a 2.5 tonne 4x4. My fiancée's Prius barely weighs half that and has two M14 pinch bolts torqued to 153Nm holding the knuckle to the strut! I know the geometry of a Macpherson strut results in different loadings, but it's still a useful illustration.
Hi Christian and Vera . Firstly I don’t own a Land Rover of any description, but , i cannot help but watch your hilarious antics on this channel, I’ve seen everything you’ve posted and it’s excellent.
I especially like the fact that as a half German from a little town called troisdorf , near to porz and cologne , I get great pleasure from your sense of humour, exactly like my uncle Werner !! (Sadly no longer with us) please keep up the good work, and I’m hooked!!!
Thanks
Today I learned two things:
1. When something really is bad Vera says ''Oh my God....Oh my God.''
2. In Germany, when you have a highly efficient functional vehicle lift, when working on suspension you just raise the vehicle 0.5M so you still have to get down onto your knees. Maybe it saves on electricity?
Oh my God .....he's just doing if for the perfect vantage point of the vertically challenged camera operator! No pun intended, we all love Vera.
The right side of the road is the side that everyone else is driving on. Otherwise it hurts!
As an owner of 5 jaaaaaasgs, i could not encourage the XJ project more highly.
I remember reading about this on the RRS forum. Then of course I forgot about it. Just went out and checked my L494 and the top of the knuckle looks to be a slightly different design. So I’m guessing mine have been replaced in the past.
In the UK the failure could be either side since the potholes on our roads are everywhere 😂
Greetings from the UK! I am a Land Rover technician and have done a few of these recalls now. I really think Land Rover need to provide that crack spray to do the recall. It’s worrying what you might not be able to see! I had no idea that the recall wasn’t worldwide so I think that it’s brilliant for sharing this information, I wish you the best of luck with getting a safety recall in Germany.
Thanks. Yes, it is not world wide apparently. Hope the vehicles here are covered soon. Christian
Who said the Germans don't have a sense of humour . I laughed at you pair interacting. Marriage made in Heaven. The Jaguar purchase would be great but potentially very costly. Someone previously mentioned Salvage UK and their experience. Cheers to you both
Thanks 👍
Sir I have recently joined your channel. You are an online technical library. Love your videos.
Lots of love and respect from Pakistan ❤
Ah, it must be Sunday morning, top entertainment, thanks to you both.
Get the XJ. If you do I might get one also. I drove one for a week. After driving my favourite road the comment from the wife was that the seats could be more supportive. Honestly I spanked it!🎉
Hi, great episode, two things, yes to the XJL, also, you should put some foam padding on the lift posts? Save the doors from damage
Keep up the good work
The lift has rubber bumpers for the doors. It came with it. Thanks.
Excellent work on bringing this to light for many owners outside UK
29:56 🤔 All i can say is: YES! YES!🤠 But keep the queen too😉
Good! 👍
Really excellent and very interesting. I think if this was taken to the dealer there is a possibility that the dealership may change the knuckles with Land Rovers approval and raise an inspection request rather than have an official recall. Your approach was 100% correct. I'm sure now that this video has been on youtube and viewed 100,000s then Range Rover will act, they have too.
Always a great show and very informative.
We will find out. I may get ordered to remove the video. Who knows… Christian
@@Vera_and_ChristianI don’t see how they can ask to remove the video. Everything you did was correct and everything said factual. You also demonstrated that JLR are aware of the issue.
❤... your wife is a great help x
Noooooo…….. not a jaguar that is not the car four you!
You booth are Landrover enthousiast,even with the queen her troubles!
Landrovers are so fantastic,myself have a discovery2 21years old!
I love that car,even I most work on it!
Great video,hoop that you are successful with your efforts!
Hvl.
Another gem from LR Time ❤
Next week on my FB feed, ‘do you own a 2014-16 Range Rover?’
Land Rover may be compensating owners. We can handle your claim (sub text, we’ll take 60% of your claim) 😆
Excellent video. Thanks for raising awareness, shocked only right hand drive vehicles were subject to recall. Such a dangerous issue.
Assuming the importance of your CZcams channel (and maybe the safety of their customers) Tata motors will send you the recall Monday.
I think I’ll get mail from their lawyer first. Hope this will not harm us or our channel. Christian
@@Vera_and_Christian They should give you a new Range Rover for bringing this to their attention. Thanks for the lovely videos.
I have a L494 and will be checking this asap. You guys are hilarious thank you again
Don't forget the biggest island in the world 🇦🇺australia🇦🇺 also right hand drive, loving your vlogs guys 😁
Or the largest country by population, India.
It's about 1/3 left, 2/3 right simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-_and_right-hand_traffic#:~:text=Some%20other%20countries%20chose%20the,Ireland%2C%20Malta%2C%20and%20Cyprus.
Christian, your engineering knowledge is fabulous & you explain there reason for or reasons not, I know engineering field is part of your normal day but just explaining to others helps everyone else
Love the content. That's so bad that the recall isn't global. 😊
Much as I really enjoy your Land Rover Discovery and Range Rover videos, I do drive a 2014 Jaguar XK with a N/A 5.0 litre V8, so yes I would like the Jaguar to be your next project car.
Aluminum, over time, it will "work harden". Clamping against an air gap, putting the material into a bending overstress situation is bound to cause problems eventually. One reason I'm not a fan of aluminum suspension. They may as well have made the component from hard cheese.
Exactly; aluminium should never be used in a safety critical component like suspension.
Totally s as agree. An open clamp in Aluminium is a no go. Christian
All the braking accelerating and turning and suspension actions of the car transfer partially through that piece of stressed stretched aluminium…..
I use to make Pinzgauer off road vehicles we always click click about 205nm !! Good job Vera ❤
LR UK recalled D4s for a faulty fuel tank grommet, likely to cause a severe fire risk, but the same VINs in Aus, no recall at all! Dealer said no recall in Aus, then no action on my car. How cheap of LR!
No coffee shop to watch from today, small guest house just south of Stuttgart is just fine though.
In Amsterdam we see a lot of cracks but not like this. Schönen Sonntag 🎉
You was thinking what I was thinking 😂.
Were they found by using pink spray?
@@grahameroberts8109in the dark room uhh garage usually by feel
@@grahameroberts8109 talcum powder and a pink flute, or so rumour has it...
My neighbour is a Land Rover guy, I'm a Nissan truck guy. Because I enjoy the channel.... Cameron knows a lot more about Land Rover than he used to 😮
The roads in the UK are terrible and we are constantly banging in and out of potholes.
Well Well Well..... I am glad that I have the "Problematic" L320 and L319... Glad that you have highlighted the problem.
Checked mine ...everything was fine, my wife has one crack on drivers side. Not had a recall. Will contact them on Monday.
Wow.
You guys are great fun, and even though I have a landcruiser, I still find your channel entertaining . Keep up the good work, love your sense of humour, and you Chermans are not renowned for your humour
😊(of cause)
Great video again. I am watching your videos not as a Landrover owner, but I do drive Jaguars. In fact I just bought an XJ with the three liter diesel engine so plenty of similarities. I realize I might be prejudiced but I would love to see you taking on a Jag as a project car. I am sure you’ll have an opinion or two about these cars.
Drainage grills are usually not flush with the road. If it's the same in Germany that may be the reason for more failures on the passenger side.
You two are brilliant, thank you for a great start to Sunday :)
As an owner of not just a Land Rover but a jaguar XKR with the 5.0l supercharged engine I would love to see you get the XJR and work on it 😊 great video as always 👍
I also double click. Nothing wrong with doing that. I do hope that LR upgrade their recall for this issue. Thanks for the video.
Double click is the only way to do it, in my opinion. Just feels so wrong to stop after one!!!
You are God sent, I have a friend in Uganda that has the same exact model, I notified him and I hope he doesn't find the crack.
Dear Christian and Vera,
I wonder if anybody from the management of JLR watches your videos? If they do how do they justify this potentially life threatening issue not being the subject of a recall outside of the UK?
Thanks for another interesting video.
I know I would loose sleep over such a issue if I would be responsible. Christian
@@Vera_and_Christiangenauso ist es Christian. Total unverantwortlich so was.
will definitely make sure to check the queens in my shop the xj is a amazing vehicle normally the supercharger Teflon bush goes and causes a knocking noise simple to check
I think it would look great next to the Jaaaag😅
👍
I have seen this issue in many cars that have aluminium axles.
Usually caused by over tightening the pinch bolts.
Buy a Discovery 5, or a Defender you'll have a lot of content. Also, they're challenging cars to work on, since they're not home mechanic friendly.
D5's must be getting affordable now. Having been driven around in both a few times I personally prefer the D4, but Christian & Vera getting a D5 would add a bit of variety to the channel. 👍
I just somehow can't get past that rear licence plate positioning on the D5!
@@AJB1 I think Christian's train of thought is getting a petrol Discovery to work on! Since he mentioned a supercharger. We are all bored of him fixing the TD6's.
I would advise every JLR owner to swap out their original locking wheel nuts before they fail or the key fails. My local JLR dealer wanted to charge over 100 quid just to remove one when my locking key failed.
Yes, I have to get rid of them.
Its a crap design (having the split/clamp) and the 'wrong' material. My Cayenne 955 has similar long travel double McPherson strut suspension but the knuckle is grey cast iron and the top ball joint is a taper/doesn't have a split.
The material choice of aluminium will improve ride quality (sprung Vs unsprung weight) and weight saving fuel economy but comes at the cost of potential catastrophic failure!
Yes, the Audi A4 has a similar knuckle but without the weak design. Christian
A L322 4.4d, would keep you extremely busy, and us entertained! 🙏
Christian, don't be too angry with people that drive RHD cars as they aren't the ones that force the vast majority of drivers to remove their primary hand from the steering wheel to change gear 😂
Aah A Scania man 👍 .... So what he says must be right!
Remember if you drive on the right, you drive on the FRENCH side of the road. The people that brought you snails and frogs legs as a food source and bread in the shape of a schlong!
@@terrortorn I live in France 🤣
I agree, that's much worse than fried Mars bars with greasy chips; jelly; Mother's Pride bread and best of all what the french call Soluble coffee (Instant coffee)
Driving on the left hand side of the road is a direct result of being conquered by Napoleon Bonaparte. He was left handed. Being so meant that cavalry were forced to pass the opposition with the sword hand (in this case his left) nearest to his foe. Such was his arrogance, he insisted that all his soldiers used their left hand to fight. Blame the French, but for the correct reason.
Another wonderfully funny and informative video. I think I will eventually upgrade from my current L320 to an L405, hopefully by then I'll remember to check if this recall has been done as I'm in the UK but for the moment I've still got a lot of miles to put on my Bianca, she's only done 99,500ish. ❤
Bad engineering is problem.
Life time of a car is 10 years or less .
Driving on the left side of the road is natural especially when going around a roundabout as nowhere in the world do you see a clock going backwards unless it’s f….ked.
I hope you get the XJL and discover the little knock is just the pathetic drive gear on the supercharger.
Excellent content.
Was that one click or two 🤔🤪😂
Definitely buy the Jag, will have plenty of content potential.
Bound to keep them going for years, but they'll need to change the channel name to "Cat-astrophic Capers.
That’s what I say too. Christian
You guys could also come to Canada for your next project and drive my 2008 LR3 around. It has no problems at this time but it's a Land Rover.
He said “Fahrt” 😂
LOL 😂 😂😂
@@Vera_and_Christian sorry, very childish I know ❤️🇬🇧 😂
Normal issue, often seen at my 10 years working at dealer ship. Also seen these broken during driving. Always make sure you have a good Inspektion every year. 😅
Well done Christian, take it to JLR. The designer of the L405 was Gerry McGovern, blame him. The fault would have been picked up on the R&D testing, so shame on you JLR.
Don't you understand engineering not same as styling?
@@richardsheil5289and the accountants couldn’t care less about any of it
It never ceases to amaze me how car companies try to bury their heads in the sand about issues with their products (especially JLR - issues with the Ingenium diesel timing chains ignored). You can see the influence of bean counters when they identify an issue in 1 country but fail to see these things are likely in all countries.
Thank you for another wonderful video! I hope the authorities and JLR take this seriously as it's such dangerous problem. My vote is to stick with the Queen if you can get enough content, or an old Defender? I know those old Defenders are so overpriced nowadays though.
Great video as always, this could be catastrophic if it fails at high speeds amazed Land Rover are dodging this could bring huge damages if an accident happens 👍👍👍
Please buy it ! I would love to see you work on a 2009-2011 Jaguar XJ R !!
Good find! and letting the lr time community in on it with serious and entertaining episode. will have to ck in on this in US. my l322 is serving well but have been mulling an L405 because I can get a v6 diesel to join in with you in the v6 diesel russian roulette gambit! Thanks again u2 for the great channel, always a bright Sunday with Vera und Christian🤠🤠
The XJ Jag would be a great project.
You would have thought this would be a worldwide recall
Another excellent presentation thank you both
I have owned 7 Range Rovers over 30 years and I wish that Landrover had asked your advice when designing new models.
You are lucky there is no LHD recall because there would suddenly be a 6 month wait for parts but for now you should be able to get what you need !
There are LHD recalls, from what we learned now, just not in Germany and most likely other European countries. But Canada has one for example. 👍🙋♀️
An absolutely brilliant public safety announcement from LR Time. Will be looking forward to the response from the German transport authority. Well done, Christian & Vera
Great video. Shows how things were made wrong as you pointed out Christian. Land Rover need to deal with this. It is the bolt no doubt which is causing the issue. As you said it has no doubt been overtightened. It could have been made differently to save this issue. I as I have said previously do not own a Land Rover product but love the way you both look at the issues and address them. Very entertaining but covering issues which manufacturers do not think about properly when they make them. That was particularly the case with the recent engine rebuild you carried out.
Absolutely get the Jag! As long it doesn't cause a divorce of course. Would love to seen content on it.
A Jag might create too much content.
What you found is really alarming! The mechanical design of this part is bad - it is a predetermined breaking point by design! This design could only work with forged steel but not with aluminum. Be very glad that you found it. Thanks for this great video!
You guys make a great team and a great couple. Love the content!
As always, engineering explained and demonstrated in the best way possible. As for the Jaaag, maybe it’s time. Fix it up, put the roof tent on it and go grand touring. Or try the tents that start with hotel.
😂👍
Car manufacturers should be forced by law to issue safety recalls worldwide, when applicable, instead of waiting for complaints in each country. Lots of examples of this behaviour from many different manufacturers, not just Land Rover, regrettably
Love the way you said "Solihull" Christian, I grew up very close to Solihull which means muddy hill in old English :)
Hi vera and christian.very educational episode.you go get landrover christian.its obviously a manufacturers problem,needs a recall.especially at that price!!! Looking forward to the outcome.😊😊😊
I love watching you guys. Very informative yet lots of fun. It's wrong that the recall is only for right hand cars. I hope you get it sorted soon
I blame the people with those rattle guns and over tightening nuts i had some work done and they put the locking nuts on with the plastic inside them they put them on with the rattle gun and then you could not get them off .thanks for the video
Great vid Dean. It's got to be about the best rush ever when a bass hits a live mackerel especially if you can watch it happen.
The ultimate catch in my opinion.