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  • čas přidán 16. 08. 2024
  • Perhaps the most extensive video on the Nine Hells in existence.
    Timestamps:
    0:00 Intro
    0:53 A note on pronunciation
    2:13 Law and evil
    4:36 Fiend taxonomy
    10:28 An overview of Baator
    13:13 How to get there
    17:41 How to get out
    19:23 Spell keys
    21:02 The Dark Eight
    21:42 The Lords of the Nine
    25:49 Asmodeus
    30:29 Avernus
    38:46 Dis
    43:38 Minauros
    46:52 Phlegethos
    49:41 Stygia
    54:47 Malbolge
    57:03 Maladomini
    1:01:38 Cania
    1:04:19 Nessus
    1:06:37 End
    Sources:
    Planescape Campaign Setting (1994)
    AD&D Guide to Hell (1999)
    Planescape Monstrous Compendium 1 (1994)
    Planes of Law (1995)
    Dragon Magazine #223 (1995)
    Dragon Magazine #75 (1983)
    AD&D Manual of the Planes (1987)
    Faces of Evil: The Fiends (1997)
    Mordenkainen’s Tome of Foes (2018)
    On Hallowed Ground (1996)
    Well of Worlds (1994)
    The Fires of Dis (1995)
    Hellbound (1996)
    Maztica Alive! (1991)
    Dragon Magazine #91 (1984)
    The Lost City (1982)
    Dragon Magazine #93 (1985)
    AD&D 2nd Edition Player’s Handbook (1989)
    D&D 3.5 Player’s Handbook (2003)
    D&D 3rd Edition Manual of the Planes (2001)
    D&D 3.5 Elder Evils (2007)

Komentáře • 231

  • @rejvaik00
    @rejvaik00 Před 5 měsíci +62

    "Did you ever hear of the tragedy of Asmodeus the fallen? I thought not, it's not a story your gods would tell you. It's a myth of creation.
    Asmodeus once known as Ahriman was an upholder of order, so knowledgeable and so powerful he could influence the chaotic void to create law
    He had such a knowledge of law that he could even keep at bay the demon hordes. Unfortunately he couldn't convince the gods to decide upon the center of creation and without their uplifting wings he fell into the lowest pits of the hells.
    Ironic he could uphold the law, but not himself"

    • @TheH8redd
      @TheH8redd Před 5 měsíci +5

      Always remember that Asmodeus is also called the Lord of Lies, so all the stories, myths and legends surrounding Asmodeus are probably all lies. Even what I just wrote here is mostlikely a lie. The only certainty we have about Asmodeus is that we don't truly know who he is, but even that is probably a lie...... Is he the embodiment of this paradox: I always lie? (If this statement is a lie, then I don't always lie and tell the truth sometimes, but if the statement is true, the statement is self defeatiing...)

    • @derpasaurus155
      @derpasaurus155 Před 5 měsíci

      ​@@TheH8redd are you telling me the archdevil himself would... LIE??!!😵🥴🤯

    • @TheH8redd
      @TheH8redd Před 5 měsíci

      @@derpasaurus155How can a paradox LIE? Explain that to me. ( Refering to the I always lie paradox).

    • @truthjustice6454
      @truthjustice6454 Před 3 měsíci

      Misinformation and Disinformation...😅

  • @sheldorleconcher8870
    @sheldorleconcher8870 Před 5 měsíci +26

    The satanic panic was really annoying...our group had to change gaming locations a half dozen times because of some sort of outrage and crazy accusations of devil worship and whatnot. As a teenager back then, it always struck me as weird that the "adults" couldn't see it was all made up. It still seems weird. Good content, btw. Even after decades of playing and DMing, it was interesting and gave me ideas for my current infernally influenced campaign. Thanks!

    • @AndyMcGehee
      @AndyMcGehee Před 3 měsíci +4

      I still don’t know how my Dungeon Masters Guide survived the “purge of 1984” by my stepmother after I left home for college. I’d love to see the look on her face if she ever saw my copy of the Book of Vile Darkness.

    • @truthjustice6454
      @truthjustice6454 Před 3 měsíci +1

      You all gettin' Woke now?😅

  • @NicholsonNeisler-fz3gi
    @NicholsonNeisler-fz3gi Před měsícem +4

    Why is it comforting to listen to videos about the structure of Hell? Thanks for your hard work in compiling and performing.

  • @suy21
    @suy21 Před 6 měsíci +31

    Holy crap, one hour of Planescape content. Impressive, Wade 🎉👏

  • @danielrowan4716
    @danielrowan4716 Před 6 měsíci +18

    Mr Allen - I’m a huge fan of Planar Lore and this was a concise yet wonderfully thorough treatment of The Nine Hells. Well done.
    Asmodeus was listed in the 1e AD&D Monster Manual as the Ruler of Hell. Additional treatments of the hierarchy of Hell was provided in Dragon Magazine #76 from August ‘83.

  • @GravSh4rk
    @GravSh4rk Před 6 měsíci +9

    Love me a long form lore video. Currently in a plane hopping DnD game so this info is valuable to not let my party TPK

  • @mattstackhouse6292
    @mattstackhouse6292 Před 6 měsíci +8

    Great video. The abyss is the most obvious next choice.

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  Před 6 měsíci +3

      Okay I've got one vote for Mount Celestia and one vote for the Abyss.

    • @D--FENS
      @D--FENS Před 5 měsíci +1

      ​@@WadeAllen001This is the only request you'll receive for the Gray Wastes of Hades, so I'll leave it right here.

    • @goblinbxtch7540
      @goblinbxtch7540 Před 2 měsíci

      @@WadeAllen001 Adding a Mechanus vote into the mix, I actually have the least amount of notes about it lol

  • @jaxongolf
    @jaxongolf Před měsícem +2

    Hey Wade 🙏 I'm back behind the DM's screen working on a 5e homebrew, blending canon with the idea that Garden in Avernus is a planar convergence with a realm of Mount Celestia, and I've been really inspired by your videos. Thank you very much!

  • @The_butler_did_it1194
    @The_butler_did_it1194 Před 3 měsíci +6

    First time seeing your channel, I'm only seven minutes in and already subscribed.
    Awesome work! Super stocked to watch more of your dnd stuff.

  • @jaxongolf
    @jaxongolf Před 2 měsíci +2

    Great explanation of evil using the corporate analogy.

  • @corporeal5980
    @corporeal5980 Před 5 měsíci +2

    This was a much better overview than most videos i have seen on the planes. I'd definitely watch more even if im not a Forgotten Realms fan.

  • @shaggyzor
    @shaggyzor Před 2 měsíci +2

    Just found this video in recommendation, subbed after hearing yer narration. Looking forward to more lore videos, love it!

  • @jakubus8906
    @jakubus8906 Před 5 měsíci +6

    Your planescape videos are really good! Can't wait to see some more

  • @professorgrimm4602
    @professorgrimm4602 Před 6 měsíci +97

    I love your example of Jeff Bezos as a lawful evil character

    • @TheCoulsonlax
      @TheCoulsonlax Před 5 měsíci

      All billionaires are lawful evil

    • @johnmobley9369
      @johnmobley9369 Před 5 měsíci +5

      It’s been a favorite of mine.

    • @gabrielrussell5531
      @gabrielrussell5531 Před 5 měsíci +8

      My preferred examples are Robert Moses and Henry Kissinger.

    • @StonedPriest
      @StonedPriest Před 5 měsíci +2

      It's fitting. The Bbeg of the campaign I've been running is a cross of Vandal Savage, and Bezos. He's a long lived hobgoblin general who retired and started a shipping empire in a Spartan-esque society.

    • @truthjustice6454
      @truthjustice6454 Před 3 měsíci

      I remember an amoral billionaire reference, not anyone specific. Time stamp?

  • @brentwalker9576
    @brentwalker9576 Před 5 měsíci +3

    My reconciliation of viewing other infinite layers (a quirk not unique to Baator) depends on the plane in question, but can be best described as “weather and planet gazing”. To a mortal, the description should feel uncanny, but the natives talk about it the way we talk about meteor showers, eclipses, and constellations. For some layers, the rest appear almost peacefully in the night sky, for others like rifts and tears in reality, and for other like an overlaid optical illusion, or shimmering like the aurora borealis. Embracing the weirdness and treating it as totes ordinary does a lot to let you keep each plane’s phenomenon feel right

  • @Klavinoid
    @Klavinoid Před 6 měsíci +3

    Hell yea! Perfect timing. Your videos are becoming my primary source for Planescape information. Heres to many more.

  • @chronochrome7837
    @chronochrome7837 Před měsícem

    God, the absolute irony of the ad break I got going into the Maladomini section. I feel like Baelzabul just tried to strike a bargain.

  • @truthjustice6454
    @truthjustice6454 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Entertaining and informative.
    Its important to establish that the Kytin in Memnos are actually not beholden to Mammon, and have their iwn Independent territory.
    Cenobites...

  • @Toddobvious
    @Toddobvious Před 2 měsíci +1

    Good call on the “bay-eh-tor” solution, I think that’s the best choice. I think all of these pronunciations should be based on which one sounds best

  • @mosom_
    @mosom_ Před 5 měsíci +3

    Thank you for this incredible video, when the episodes on The Abyss and Hades come out I will die happy

  • @Dndditches
    @Dndditches Před 4 měsíci +1

    Love your Planescape videos. As a DM, I’ve recommended your videos to my players so they’d have some idea of the planes and factions before we start playing.
    I would love to use Garden in my game at some point.
    I also like the lore between Bel and Zariel. In my last session, I had Bel hide inside a PC’s body (when they visited Avernus) and revealed himself when the players arrived on Celestia, citing that was the way he could get into Lunia and survive the holy water bath. He got the idea from Zariel, whom infiltrated Baator so Bel decided to infiltrate Celestia.

  • @neceon4586
    @neceon4586 Před 5 měsíci +3

    This is such a comprehensive video. Thank you so much!!!

  • @charliebee5154
    @charliebee5154 Před 6 měsíci +3

    Long form D&D lore that is well narrated? Automatic sub! 😁 Thank you.

  • @steved1135
    @steved1135 Před 6 měsíci +3

    Nice work Wade. Takes a lot of research and time to put this all together.

  • @TurboWulfe
    @TurboWulfe Před měsícem +1

    Lve these long form vids, keep on keeping on 😎🍻🤘

  • @lutandomhlalase4416
    @lutandomhlalase4416 Před 5 měsíci +3

    3:50-4:10 I just can't with you roasting a certain billionaire, I just fell out 😂😂😂

  • @JanSobieski3rdSiegeDefiler
    @JanSobieski3rdSiegeDefiler Před 5 měsíci +2

    Amazing videos, loved your take on everything. Hoping to see a video on The Abyss soon!

  • @SpectrumHazard
    @SpectrumHazard Před 6 měsíci +3

    Hell yesssss hype
    I love the Planescape/Great Wheel Cosmology vids, so cool to hear all about it

  • @chuvarova6052
    @chuvarova6052 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I loved this video so much. The lore, rules, and history are layed out nearly perfectly and concisely. The only thing I wish was talked about more was Malbolge and what happened to Malagard when Glasya took it over. The whole layer is covered in a bloated and fat Malagard's remains after she imploded. Her bones, hair, skin, blood, etc covers the cliffs and Glasya makes her home out of her huge skull. Other inhabitants carve out dwellings from her bones and skin and stuff. Also, a lot of cool art and new 5e lore for all of the Hells was included in Chains of Asmodeus and from the info provided from this video, I assume you aren't aware or chose to omit what was in that book. Not saying that as a bad thing necessarily since this is mostly following 2nd edition by default but I would have really loved the comprehensiveness of the lore of this video to go from 95% to 100%. Either way, superb video!!

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  Před 2 měsíci +1

      Thanks for the kind words! I've gotten feedback from a few people that I should include more lore from later editions, so I've started doing that.

  • @caelinnis
    @caelinnis Před 5 měsíci +12

    I will master the hells. I am The Master Baator

    • @jonstewart2233
      @jonstewart2233 Před 5 měsíci

      Finally, some one bringing proof of the true pronunciation.

  • @cernunnos_lives
    @cernunnos_lives Před 6 měsíci +1

    Great God's Below.... I'm loving this episode. Thanks for your hard work brother.

  • @HoobtheNoob
    @HoobtheNoob Před 4 měsíci +1

    This is amazing thank you!

  • @jppitre
    @jppitre Před 6 měsíci +2

    Hell yeah! Running a Planescape game and your videos have been essential

  • @destonlee2838
    @destonlee2838 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Well done. And I can't give you what doesn't exist. I'll see you in Cania!

  • @justin.channels
    @justin.channels Před 6 měsíci +1

    55:50 I like your note on pronouncing Malbolge. Think of the sound in the makeup/color rogue (but the thief) 😆
    Great video, really.

  • @rickywarren567
    @rickywarren567 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Fantastic video bro. Absolutely brilliant sir!👏👏👏

  • @ChrisGrahamkedzuel
    @ChrisGrahamkedzuel Před 5 měsíci +3

    Love to see your take on Carceri.

  • @100iqgaming
    @100iqgaming Před 4 měsíci

    i really like the tenar'ri distinction from the oberyth and the other one, in my game baatezu will refer exclusively to petitioners also

  • @connorb7234
    @connorb7234 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Loved your outer planes video, and this one was awesome too 😊 my personal favorite outer realm is elysium!

  • @JFGraham26
    @JFGraham26 Před 6 měsíci +3

    oh hell yeah, love your other two planescape videos

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  Před 6 měsíci +1

      I've got four other ones. I only correct you in case you missed them and would like to watch them. There's the guide to the outer planes, guide to the inner planes, the factions of sigil and their philosophies, and the sects of the outer planes.

    • @JFGraham26
      @JFGraham26 Před 6 měsíci

      @@WadeAllen001 I haven’t seen those yet. Sounds sick, will check them out. Thanks!

  • @sayerslayer1854
    @sayerslayer1854 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Very nice collage and presentation

  • @blairshort1098
    @blairshort1098 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Who would voluntarily become a resident of Dis?
    Vogon - "My Identity papers, Visa, letter of introduction and public enquiry findings, in triplicate."

  • @nathanaelthomas9243
    @nathanaelthomas9243 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Thanks for the video! Very well done 👍🏻

  • @Sirfinchyyy
    @Sirfinchyyy Před 5 měsíci +2

    Its worth mentioning that the larvae in 5e are basically currency and barely considered sentient.

  • @Craig_Tucker48
    @Craig_Tucker48 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Love your videos on the planes. They are the only ones you make that interest me but damn they are good ❤️
    Though I think you mixed up the layer of Malbulge with the plane of Gehenna.

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  Před 5 měsíci

      Thanks!
      Malbolge and Gehenna do have some similarities, but I was taking most of what I said right out of the Planes of Law: Baator book. And many things were changed about Malbolge in later editions of D&D, so that might be contributing to the seeming mixup as well.

  • @xgoldies
    @xgoldies Před 6 měsíci +1

    Thank you so much! You are appreciated🙏🏼

  • @yellotoaster9368
    @yellotoaster9368 Před 4 měsíci

    26:30 So here's why I struggle so much to get into D&D lore. Before coming to this video, I just watched another video about the story of Zariel. In there, it said that at the beginning, there was chaos, and then the gods of law formed and fought chaos. So, in the alignment thing, there was only law and chaos as opposites. Also, there were angels, among which Asmodeus was the best fighter. Then Asmodeus and the bois turned evil and signed a contract with the law gods to make him his own plane, Baator, where he could fight chaos and torture the unlawful mortals without the other angels complaining. Then the gods realised they got screwed over by that contract and tuned Asmodeus in a Devil and yeeted his ass into nessus. And this is when Evil and Good appeared on the alignment. The devils were lawful evil, angels lawful good and demons lawful chaotic.
    Now, here you come and tell me about good and bad serpents, Asmodeus being the bad one, and I have to completely throw out the window all I learned in the previous video. It's a total effin mess

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  Před 4 měsíci +1

      Yeah there's contradicting lore in each edition of D&D (and sometimes even within one edition). Really it's up to the DM to use which one they like best, or to use them all as stories without telling the players outright which one is the real story. The lore you just described sounds more like the lore of 5e as told in Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes. The reason I used the twin serpents story is because that's the one given in second edition of D&D that Planescape existed in (up until very recently because they've now published a 5e Planescape campaign setting set).

  • @hasde_fo
    @hasde_fo Před 5 měsíci +1

    it just amazing piece of work, thank you Wade!
    though...please return my soul...

  • @jasonhopper2130
    @jasonhopper2130 Před 6 měsíci +2

    Dude. Malagard is her attempt to acheive Godhood swelled up and burst. Malbolge is a fetis wasteland of exploded hag guts. Her fingers became gigantic towers. Her ribs split and became the 2 mountain ranges that encircle the plane. Her skull swelled to enoumous Godlike portions and is the capitol of the plane and the palace where Glasya resides

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  Před 6 měsíci

      Yeah that's some cool lore. Do you think I should include more lore from later editions in these videos?

    • @alvaro701
      @alvaro701 Před 5 měsíci

      ​@@WadeAllen001 I think it would be a very interesting sidenote

  • @JosefDerKaiser
    @JosefDerKaiser Před měsícem +2

    Let's be honest though, the Satanic Panic creating the Tenari allowed for some of the best DnD deep lore with Tharizdun and the Obiryth.

  • @Subtle-will
    @Subtle-will Před 18 dny

    I was thinking the planes spiral along a cone, so looking up you can see the planes coming down the sides. Meaning the lower you go the more you see looking up into the lighter layers

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  Před 18 dny

      Yeah it is described in a few places like that, where you get a more and more complete view of the plane the lower you go. But then if you think about that how does that work? Because if the layer above you is a larger slice of the cone, then it would take up all of the sky, so how would you see the layers further above the one directly above you? And wouldn't you just see the underside of the layers anyway? Of course I guess the answer is just that shit don't make sense in the Outer Planes.

  • @oguzhanozgenc7843
    @oguzhanozgenc7843 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Thank you so much! This is amazing

  • @Hugeandhandsomeman
    @Hugeandhandsomeman Před 5 měsíci +1

    This was a great video, definitely make some more dnd content!

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  Před 5 měsíci +1

      Working on it!

    • @Hugeandhandsomeman
      @Hugeandhandsomeman Před 5 měsíci

      @@WadeAllen001 I can’t wait for your abyss video!

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@Hugeandhandsomeman maybe I'll do that after the next one then, but I'm already pretty far into work on Mount Celestia.

    • @Hugeandhandsomeman
      @Hugeandhandsomeman Před 5 měsíci

      @@WadeAllen001 understandable, can’t wait if you do end up making it🙏🏻

  • @helloidharbl6753
    @helloidharbl6753 Před měsícem

    Glad you mentioned that. A LOT of stuff in the DnD texts is written in a way that suggests a non English speaker decided upon the words. And no, I don't consider ye olden tyme Englesh to be English.

  • @Nonamearisto
    @Nonamearisto Před 5 měsíci

    49:27 Well, that makes Karlach's "this had better be sexy or violent" comment into new persepective.

  • @Tromador
    @Tromador Před 5 měsíci +1

    Gentleman cutter, I'm really enjoying this series. Brings back fond memories of a Sensate Githzerai I once played. I hope you might be inspired to make a more in depth video about all the planes and attract some subs for your effort. I have certainly shared this playlist with my group.
    If I had one criticism it is your pronunciation of Sigil. I've always said /ˈsɪdʒɪl/ (soft g). I did look this up and the IPA I quote is what Wikipedia thinks is how one pronounces sigil, in context of magical runes. Still it's not the end of the world and I have learned quite a lot from these videos, so feel free to carry on and ignore my griping. 😅

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  Před 5 měsíci +3

      Glad you've been enjoying my videos!
      I pronounce sigil with a soft g when referring to magical runes, as Wikipedia correctly states it should be pronounced. But Sigil the city is not pronounced like sigil the word.

  • @swindler1570
    @swindler1570 Před 3 měsíci +1

    I love your lore content.
    Any chance we could get an underdark video? Or specific cities, like Menzoberranzan?

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  Před 3 měsíci +1

      That's a good idea. I haven't really done any non-Planescape stuff yet like that, but I should try it out. To be honest covering Faerun lore seems a little daunting because there's like 300 books on it. The Outer Planes have comparatively less source material to read through.

    • @swindler1570
      @swindler1570 Před 3 měsíci

      @WadeAllen001 I totally get that. If you wanted to cover all lore tie-ins, across all source material, for a given topic, that would seem daunting indeed. But, it's probably okay to miss some niche interactions or historical events here or there.
      No pressure, of course - cover what you're comfortable covering. I'm sure you'd do it justice, though; particularly if you chose a narrowed scope to begin with.

  • @user-of2py3gf3i
    @user-of2py3gf3i Před 5 měsíci

    I feel like it may have help clarified in the beginning. How they are corrupted soldiers, the whole good vs evil war going into the order vs chaos that actually led to it. But I get that is a rabbit hole.

  • @DerexWolfheart
    @DerexWolfheart Před 26 dny

    There are different intensities of infinity so you don't need to worry about the math in that regard. If there are twice as many infinite demons as devils than that just means in a given battle there will likely be twice as many demons compared to devils

  • @Whichendup
    @Whichendup Před měsícem +1

    I have observed that you often bounce back and forth between editions and make allusions that all the lore is meant to be static, like during the Lord of the First explanation, but in fact there is a timeline of events that you are missing in your explanations. Zariel was the Lord of the First, then Bel got promoted to Lord of the First and Zariel his advisor, later on Bel lost favor with Asmodeus and he reinstalled Zariel as Lord of the First. All of those things happened in the lore. It's not the books or editions being contradictory, rather they happened at different eras.
    Before Zariel, Tiamat ruled the First layer. There's enough conjecture that we can assume even Graz'zt the Demon Lord, was once Lord of the First before he was corrupted by Chaos while on his mission in the Abyss, and after conquering three layers of the Abyss decided to stay to become a Demon Prince rather than go back to the Nine Hells hierarchy.
    In official D&D books it is stated Graz'zt was once an Archduke of Hell. Also stated: Asmodeus tasked Graz'zt with leading an army into the Abyss to retrieve a fragment of the heart of the Abyss, the shard of ultimate evil.
    Archdukes of Avernus typically are the ones who rule over the Dark Eight and the Devil army who fight in the Blood War. It's reasonable to assume that Graz'zt used to be Lord of the First. Probably even before Tiamat ruled the layer. In the lore Tiamat did not care for rulership of Avernus or being part of the Archdukes' plotting and politicking. So she gave up the title as Lord of the First, wanting to focus more of her energy on the Material Plane.

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  Před měsícem

      I will definitely grant that I didn't go into later edition stuff very much at all in this video and mostly talked about the Lords of the Nine as they exist in 2nd edition, but the differences in each edition often are (but not always) contradictions that are later smoothed out (or an attempt is made at smoothing them out) and retconned into a cohesive timeline. 4th edition provides lore about Graz'zt originally being a devil that was tasked with re-finding the Shard of Evil for Asmodeus (and 5th edition also mentions Graz'zt previously being an archduke), but 2nd edition and 3rd edition both have it that Graz'zt is the child of Pale Night, born a demon and not a devil. To accept the edition-spanning timeline is to retcon away the contradictions such as these, but I prefer in these cases to just view each edition as its own thing.

  • @AbstractDuality
    @AbstractDuality Před 5 měsíci +1

    Subscribed. I want more.

  • @Mr.Fox1213
    @Mr.Fox1213 Před 6 měsíci

    Man I really want to learn more about Mephistopheles, probably my favorite Archdevil!

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  Před 5 měsíci +1

      He's definitely got the coolest name of all of them.

  • @marselpanov8801
    @marselpanov8801 Před 6 měsíci

    combine opposite planes into one video. I think it will flow nicely

  • @PhoenixFlame321
    @PhoenixFlame321 Před 5 měsíci +2

    30:05 My take on the limbo vs heresy distinction is that:
    Limbo is for souls that were virtuous but never had the opportunity to learn the gospel and enter the holy covenant with Christ. Christianity has this thing called "The Original Sin", a vague idea that a seed of evil lives within us thanks to the first sin committed on The Garden of Eden and that can only be purged through Jesus' sacrifice. Since the orthodox belief is that one can only enter paradise while completely and utterly free of sin, being a genuinely good person isn't enough, you must be a baptized and faithful Christian to enter heaven (A foul, manipulative tactic to force others to join their cult out of fear of damnation)
    Heresy on the other hand is reserved for those that DID learn of the gospel of the holy church, but had the audacity to disagree and have their own opinions. Anyone that believes in anything that deviates from the teachings of the orthodoxy is damned to suffer even more than those chilling up in the first circle. It is a common trait of cults to persecute and condemn those that were once part of it but dared to leave.
    There's also a third even worse level of punishment in Violence, the Seventh Circle. It is divided into three parts and the third part of ring 7 is for the sin of Blasphemy, for those who not only dared turn their back to the gospel, but also spoke out against it and God himself. Critics get to burn in blistering sand and under a constant rain of fire.

  • @gabrielrussell5531
    @gabrielrussell5531 Před 5 měsíci +1

    I feel like you should acknowledge the non-serpent origin Mo has in every edition but 2E.

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  Před 5 měsíci

      Alright. I've gotten a few comments asking me to include more lore from other editions, so I'll be doing that from now on.

  • @dagonslayer51
    @dagonslayer51 Před 5 měsíci

    You should check out the DM's Guild book "Chains of Asmodeus". It is a fascinating outlook into the nine hells

  • @thescandinavian8339
    @thescandinavian8339 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Great vid
    One question.. what is the breakdown for the celestials... Or don't they have a breakdown like fiends?

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  Před 3 měsíci +1

      They do! I've gone over it in my Guide to the Seven Heavens of Mount Celestia video. But basically it's archons = lawful good, guardinals = neutral good, eladrin = chaotic good, aasimon = any good.

  • @tripNine1
    @tripNine1 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Crap. I was half asleep when I signed that apparently

  • @ElPayasoMalo
    @ElPayasoMalo Před 26 dny

    I was surprised you didn't mention God Street in Dis.

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  Před 26 dny

      Probably because I mostly used 2e source material for this video. I've been using later edition lore a lot more in my more recent videos though.

  • @ElPayasoMalo
    @ElPayasoMalo Před 26 dny

    Asmodeus doesn't become a god until Fourth Edition said he absorbed the divine essence of Azuth, from what I remember.

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  Před 26 dny

      The origin story of Asmodeus being the cosmic serpent god Ahriman is from 2e (Guide to Hell). You're right though that according to other lore he wasn't a god until the Spellplague.

    • @ElPayasoMalo
      @ElPayasoMalo Před 26 dny

      @@WadeAllen001 I knew about that origin story. There's like three different origin stories from what I remember. Multiple choice past!

  • @Safier_Poochy
    @Safier_Poochy Před 6 měsíci +1

    The next video should about the cosmology counterpart. The seven heaven of Mount Celestia.
    First the Hell and than the heaven.

  • @Luredreier
    @Luredreier Před 5 měsíci

    12:26
    My take on this is math.
    Like how a imaginary number can be tied to a physical number through a equation.
    Actually, think of it like Minecraft.
    You take a portal to the nether, go somewhere and then take another portal out and it's much further away.
    Both dimensions might be infinite, but you could argue that they're different sizes even if both are infinite.
    Does that make sense to you guys?

  • @Natsirt666
    @Natsirt666 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Great vid. Got a new sub.

  • @3X3NTR1K
    @3X3NTR1K Před 3 měsíci

    Actually ininities can be different sizes! Some are infinitely bigger than others. Several times over.
    Don't think about it too much though. Or at all.

  • @RevocerGM
    @RevocerGM Před 5 měsíci +1

    here's my soul: with thanks

  • @NicholsonNeisler-fz3gi
    @NicholsonNeisler-fz3gi Před měsícem

    I think the problem with sigil is that the various planes are infinite in size and then there are an infinite number of material planes but sigil and the outlands are basically finite in size

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  Před měsícem +1

      The Outlands is also an infinite plane. It has a finite boundary but the area contained within that boundary is infinite. Basically the distance between any two places in the Outlands is not constant. Distances are also not constant in Sigil and the city does not have a fixed size, but changes according to the Lady of Pain's whims.

    • @NicholsonNeisler-fz3gi
      @NicholsonNeisler-fz3gi Před měsícem

      @@WadeAllen001 I see. I had to watch a few more videos. The Plane of Concordant Opposition is its other name. It is deceptive to think about the gate cities at the edges giving it a finite dimension - but no stranger than the other planes. Sigil is a kind of inverse of a prime material plane

  • @mrl9418
    @mrl9418 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Me, a savage: B'Ah-Ah-tor

  • @joaoluizcamacho2733
    @joaoluizcamacho2733 Před 4 měsíci

    Pleaseee make one about Thanatos, the layer of Orcus in the abiss

  • @dkhosh7380
    @dkhosh7380 Před 5 měsíci

    I pronounce baator the same way you'd pronounce baal like from the bible because it sounds right to me and is usually how youd pronounce a double A

  • @theprinceofawesomeness
    @theprinceofawesomeness Před 5 měsíci

    Feel like to tell people about my homebrewed version of the nine hells for who ever is intereasted, mine is seemingly unique i have been told.
    I need to begin to say that Hell as a plane is infinate in size and technicly can support infinate layers like the Abbys, the Nine Hells is just but a group of layers in hell and the biggest.
    There are as i'm currently writing 3 types of hellscapes that i made (but there are suposed to be more), there is Baator, Drakholm, and Vault. Baator is the typical nine hells. Drakholm is a 3 layerd hell owned by Tiamat the Chromatic and Drakholm is the hell for all dragonkind. Vault is a one layered hell also known as the 10nth Layer, Vault is home to Ahriman The Inheritor of Evil, Ahriman looks like the most Pit-Fiendish Pit-Fiend and all Pit-Fiends were created from his image, when the god of evil died he named Ahriman as his heir but before Ahriman could consolidate his position 9 other devils conspired to usurp him, the Vault is a kvadratic shaped plane with 9 precised kvadratic sections "spiraling" from the first to the ninth in a mockery parody of Baator.
    As for the proper nine hells them self, each layer represent a sin and each lord of each layer have become personifications of that sin, and these 9 Archdevils all are ancient Time in Memorial being who all realised the power of friendship... or just cooperation.
    The 9 Masters are: Shaitan (Lord of Wrath and Avernus), Belile (Lord of Vain(Glory) and all of Dis, not just the city which he made in to his own hellish heiarchy), Mammon (Lord of Avarice and Minauros/Erebus) ((Mammon is an inteligent and shroud bisnusman, he has squized his relm of every usable and profitable inch that excist. The swamp is and used to be the worst land value terain and Mammon made his profitable and built a casino)), Asmodeus (Lord of Lust and Phlegethon), Belphegor (Lord of Sloth and Stygia), Astaroth (Lord of Melancholy and Malebolge), Leviathan (Lord of Envy and Cocytos/Maladomini Home of the Gelugon), Beelzebub (Lord of Gluttuny and Caina the eaten corps), Lucifer (Lord of Pride and Nessus, the first Trasone and Fallen). There are 2 other notible forces in Hell who don't have thair own hell, they are Mephistopheles (The Faustien Bargerner) and Azazel (the Unfetered). There as the 9 Sin Masters are induvidually the weakest among all the Hellish Powers, them combined is a deadly and powerfull force that would be unrivaled, they are far too selfish to actually work together in offence, only in defence then an other is threatened by outside forces they will defend each other to keep a hold on thair power. Ahriman and Mephistopheles have a secret pact with each other there Mephistopheles will work to free Ahriman from the Vault and grant him the power he is due in exchange of being the soul ruler of hell while Ahriman creates his own realm as a god should do. Azazel and Tiamat stay out of this conflict but there Tiamat is apathetic Azazel Revels in hell, Azazel is a Fallen who became a Demon, however Azazel have more fun in Hell and will cause mayhem in Baator, unlike other Fiends Azazel is generally concidered good hearted even if he is only concerned with himself
    Edit: i forgot to write about the Malebranche, a title that Baators most distinguished general erns, almost all Malebranches have been Pit-Fiends, Gelugons and some Cornogons, other Devils that have hold this title have been rare.

  • @SigfridSWE
    @SigfridSWE Před 4 měsíci

    Bg3 comment; Raphaels lord/leige is mephistopheles. He says that in one of the endings, where he notes that even his "father mephistopheles...".
    Does that mean that Raphael probably are a Duke/Arch-Devil under his father Mephistopheles?
    Or... is he one of the Damned 8 or... is he a Combion... most people seam to think he is a Cambion... but it doesn't fit in my opinion... ayway.... any thoughts people?

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  Před 4 měsíci

      I figured he was a duke, just not an archduke like Mephistopheles is.

  • @MadAdamStudio
    @MadAdamStudio Před 5 měsíci

    Good video. Shame I'll never finish it.

  • @ghostoftanelorn9928
    @ghostoftanelorn9928 Před 5 měsíci

    I just use a longer aah sound, and I also roll the the r on baah-tor̃

  • @Pugiron
    @Pugiron Před měsícem

    The name is derived from the name "Ba'al" first meaning "lord" and latter bastardized into a demon name. Pronounced "Bah-All"

  • @Dndditches
    @Dndditches Před 5 měsíci +1

    Upvote for using the name “Baator”

  • @Nonamearisto
    @Nonamearisto Před 5 měsíci

    37:01 Now we know where Wulbren Bongle will go after death.

  • @kaptenteo
    @kaptenteo Před 6 měsíci +2

    Yay!

  • @heru7182
    @heru7182 Před 5 měsíci +2

    The grief I got as a GM pronouncing Drow like Crow, instead of Cow.

  • @fleetcenturion
    @fleetcenturion Před 5 měsíci

    32:39 - "Archons" are the petitioners of the Heavens. Zariel was an angel (or aasimon, in 2e).

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  Před 5 měsíci

      Good catch. Though I believe angels are also petitioners, they just get promoted from archons.

    • @fleetcenturion
      @fleetcenturion Před 5 měsíci

      @@WadeAllen001 - No. They were there from the beginning, not promoted from petitioners. Such a thing would only be possible, if a petitioner were to reach the uppermost layer of the Heavens, but that is only a theory.

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@fleetcenturion there's a poster in the planes of law book that shows that trumpet and tome archons get promoted into aasimon if they perform their duties well.

    • @fleetcenturion
      @fleetcenturion Před 5 měsíci

      @@WadeAllen001 - Despite it being a borderline splat book, I suppose it's canon then.

  • @SonySteals
    @SonySteals Před 4 měsíci +1

    Bezos roast 👌👌

  • @shirak8
    @shirak8 Před 2 měsíci

    Will this video make me a Master of Baator?

  • @Luissera873
    @Luissera873 Před 5 měsíci +1

    You should do a video on mechanus

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  Před 5 měsíci +2

      Mechanus is a cool one, and I will definitely do it at some point. Maybe the next video? I don't know. Right now I've got one vote for the Abyss, one vote for Mount Celestia, one vote for The Gray Waste, and now one vote for Mechanus.

  • @destonlee2838
    @destonlee2838 Před 3 měsíci +1

    The Satanic Panic is not over. Stay vigilant, have fun, refuse their judgement.

  • @theprinceofawesomeness
    @theprinceofawesomeness Před 5 měsíci

    2:30 finaly, someone who understands that Evil and Good are only defined as Selfidh and Selfless, being Evil dosen't mean you can't be moral.
    Edit: feel the same about the Law/chaos part but this point is more understod by players

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  Před 5 měsíci +1

      Unfortunately we might not be completely on the same page. Being evil is defined as selfishness yes, which means that evil creatures don't necessary kill people or enjoy killing people, but how could an evil creature still be moral? How can one not care about others and be a good person? (Keeping in mind of course, that the more you don't care about other people the more you don't mind if they get harmed in the process of you getting what you want)

    • @theprinceofawesomeness
      @theprinceofawesomeness Před 5 měsíci

      @@WadeAllen001 i'm thinking of it as that you can practice moral or ethical ideas for selfish reasons. like Pacifism, you might not care about others getting hurt but you might care about getting blood on your own hands and becoming "impure"

  • @KevinBoosts
    @KevinBoosts Před 4 měsíci

    I didn't find any chapters dedicated to the nine hells in the 5e planescape release..? Did I miss something?

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  Před 4 měsíci

      There aren't any. This video is primarily about original Planescape (2e).

    • @KevinBoosts
      @KevinBoosts Před 4 měsíci

      @@WadeAllen001 thanks

  • @SpitBlossoms
    @SpitBlossoms Před měsícem

    fey wilds next?

  • @mattsmall5038
    @mattsmall5038 Před 5 měsíci

    Fun bact, Baatar is Mongolian for hero

  • @sluvcua
    @sluvcua Před 5 měsíci +2

    I love that Baator is basically America

  • @thedeaderer8791
    @thedeaderer8791 Před 6 měsíci +3

    😂 I always laugh when I think back to the Satanic panic. Imagine thinking something is a dark recruiting tool to fiannly bring the anti christ apocalypse and really it's just 5 nerds in a basement eating snacks making d**k jokes and pretending to blow stuff up

  • @angramainyu8423
    @angramainyu8423 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Each level of Hell has it's own Vibrational Frequency which sets it apart even slightly, dimensionally. The physical universe is said to vibrate at 432 Hz . I read the Astral realm vibrates at twice that, ( which MIGHT be 864 Hz, or maybe somewhere around that frequency ). So each realm could be infinitely large, and still separate from each other. Demons can travel to each hell through Portals, ( Like CERN is said to do in real life ).