On the Frontlines of Ukraine's Proxy War Between the West and Russia
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- čas přidán 4. 10. 2016
- The West has used everything from signals intelligence operations, espionage, fighter jet saber-rattling, and diplomatic standoffs to stem the rise of Russian influence around the world. These efforts are coming to a dangerous head in Ukraine - a classic Eastern Bloc proxy state - where the presence of NATO troops is driving tensions to Cold War-era levels.
As the armed conflict between the Ukrainian army and Russian-backed separatists enters its third year, VICE travels to the frontline to take a closer look at what international assistance really looks like for those caught in the line of fire.
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You know things have gone to SHIT when Canada joins in...
Lol ww1 and ww2
_osvaldo_ __
exactly
True lol
Canada - a second homeland for Ukrainians. A lot of famous Canadians are of Ukrainian origin. In Canadian government has a Ukrainians. Canada all the time helping Ukraine. There is nothing surprising.
True for WW1, but Canada joined WW2 on it's own accord. We weren't under any imperial obligation to assist the UK at that point in time.
"Now you can hear the Minsk Peace Agreement"
- That sentence is priceless LMFAO.
How are these Ukrainians so badass so effortlessly
@Robert V they do. If anything they gave more history than the U.S
Its actually a sentence not a word.
@@gurkenmilchdestodes1821 Ok I will edit it right away
@@Conservative_East appreciate it bro! thx! 💕😎
I love how when you go further back more and more people are willing to acknowledge what's actually happening there.
Funny how you can’t find stuff like this being called proxy wars anymore
Same I kinda knew about this but thought all of that been fixed a while ago
Agreed. Shows how pathetic and skewed our major news outlets have become.
Yup. But everyone has abysmal memory spans. There's literally "anti war" liberals who opposed thenIraq invasion who now support every dollar and soldier being spent on Ukraine. People are morons.
It's the other way around, people were wrong and now they are finally realizing they were wrong.
That Ukraine SF guy has a very calming voice. Seems like he’s been through it and knows how to handle life. Wish him and all of his comrades the best.
Tyrone Koumoundouros didn’t know he was a Nazi. Anyway, it wasn’t that deep for me. I just saw a man fighting for his country and wished him luck. Thanks for pointing that out though.
@@ClevorBelmont Russian supported separatists are fighting for a pro Russian dictatorship.
Marcus Merisier they are not nazis, it’s just a cheap russian propaganda thing
@@ClevorBelmont That's false I know this is like 7 months ago but the SF guy is not a nationalist socialist, Ukraine does have a nationalist unit called The Azov Battalion which is a national guard unit.
@@ClevorBelmont sir, I apologize for that POS for first of all saying that as a black man you shouldn't support who you think is right without any evidence to the contrary and secondly being hostile for no reason other than you pointing something out
Him: will you go to prom with me?
Her: yes!
Him: *goes to east Ukraine*
*Liberates Novorossiya from Ukraine like a boss* Independence time
X_HolyTemplar_ X yes
@@TheLordNovo least cringe Russian.
"We learn our mistakes with blood"
It's always good to know you're smarter than others, aye?
Lichlord Kazam Whatis that supposed to mean.
+Stashmaniac These guys doesn't use their brains to solve their problems. But unnecessary causalities and injuries.
Sounds like something from out of Call of Duty or the movies... scary 0_0
Lichlord Kazam Nexus is correct you're nothing but an armchair soldier
And back in Germany people complain about plane noises lol
Seriosly!??!?!
And train noises along the Rhein.......
It seams when you live in peace you start to become a little crybaby at some point.
@@comradepierogi Not only in peace time, but when country is rich. Look how spoiled people are in USA or Germany.
Benas Offensive well yeah, I ment West countries as a whole.
I look at scandals that “snowflakes” put up and do not understand them at all. They live in a democratic country and complain about not really meaningful things, while my friends had to leave their homes because “peaceful miners” threatened to kill them.
“Artillery shells, gun shots and dogs barking” sounds like Detroit
@@vtdemocracy7520 I'm From Flint... THAT FOOKIN HURT
Someone once made an improvised mortar device thing. (Like a make at hone mortar) it landed in my uncles backyard near Detroit
@@bedrantje lmao why am I not surprised
@@josephpruitt2067 man I’m not even kidding they wild. My uncle has since moved to Delaware
@@bedrantje lol sounds about right I'm from michigan and this definitely sounds like Detroit
And still almost zero media coverage in the US...
Pure Style US media too busy talking about trump
Pure Style That’s a lie...
Tau Dude prove it
Not only in the US but also here in Portugal (Europe), zero news coverage.
Coverage of Ukraine v.s. lets say the conflict in Syria, Irak, NK or Isis?
Ukraine is covered next to none. It's ridiculous how all media ignores a full on war on the continent.
I have visited several countries in eastern Europe, and to remembering back to those times when i walked those same or similar street as those whose are covered in rubble now is quite depressing.
"Going to a report in a war zone, I'd better pack my skinny jeans" - Every VICE reporter overseas.
its pretty smart to look as civilian as possible in war zone mate...
@@yuriyseliuk4120 this.
Better than gym shorts
If only Ukraine had a large oil reserve this was would’ve been over along time ago
I thought it did. Isnt there a huge deposit in ukraine near the border to russia?
If only Ukraine still had those 3,000 nuclear weapons they've lost in 1994 Budapest agreement :D
@@lieutenantbigz938 lmfao
It does.... and gas😂😂😂
They don't want Russian military to get involved, so nope.
This is an amazing watch 6 years later, with current world events.
Everybody could see the train coming but nobody did anything about it.
@@sabinereynaudsf no they wanted the train to come, NATO doesnt like nationalist states, bad for western business-so they gave the Ukr nationalist guns to go on suicide mission weakening their great enemy Ru. If Ru didn't exist, there would be western attempts to make excuses to declare war on Ukraine.
This is so sad.
He's talking about WWIII and most hate- and blameful comments get the most likes.
I guess humanity is quick to forget and it's in our nature to once again enter the cycle of destruction and death.
For me, that's hard to accept.
If WW3 happens, there is a good chance of the cycle breaking..... because we're all dead.
+DecapitatedPile even worse no one will use nukes, millions upon millions will die, barders redrawn generations destroyed, planet ravaged. No one will use nukes because of fear. If there is a war its going to last a few centuries with untold suffering.
Nukes would be dropped the moment one thinks their Country will fall, resulting in all nukes being fired in retaliation..
+DecapitatedPile nuclear bombs could destroy both america and russia in 1 month. A direct nuclear war would be the most stupid thing two or more nations could do.
It wouldn't even be war anymore, just technology doing mass genocide on innocent people Who can't fight back. It's crazy and scary, the "winner" of a nuclear war would rule on a forever destroyed world, it wouldn't have any sense. What are armies even worth for if there are nukes? What "glory" there would be in a nuclear war? None.
Man I'm kinda scared. Putin is buying Uranium even though The U.S and Russia said they wouldn't buy it. Fuck man I'm pretty freaked out.
Dear VICE,
More journalism like this.
Sincerely, all of us.
Another Vice Jew?
Tyler Ivey this is investigative journalism right?
dear vice less propaganda more journalism*
I like and enjoy VICE's footage as much as the next guy. But they are not exactly unbiased. I can sense an anti-Russian sentiment in their docs. It might have something to do with the fact that one of their journalists was held captive by the Russian side in the Ukraine conflict. They did eventually let him go but I think it left a bad taste in their months.
pussy
I vividly remember watching this when it came out. Little did we know Ukraine would be in a full blown war just a few years later. Hopefully the war can end soon, so unnecessary.
Those who paid attention knew this would happen. When we had our leaders pushing for regime change in Maidan. It was obvious.
Agree it is unnecessary that we were over there in the first place training soldiers spreading bad morals liberalism and western style corruption and nato
Im with you on that one. Im just sick of seeing the comments about;
"Ukraine and its nazis need to stop the needless killing"
" the US/corrupt satanic Joe Biden need to stop antagonizing Putin, its their faults that these civilians keep getting killed. They are just trying to hide all the children they have trafficked to Ukraine and keep in the basements of the bio labs bla bla bla"
They are falling for russian propaganda that is so obviously fake, you'd have to be a compleat moron who gets a weekly frontal lobotomy to believe putlers BS. Even when its dressed up and parroted by Rupert Murdochs propaganda puppets. ie; Traitor Carlson, Sean smalldixkenergy Hannity, Marjorie FootFungus Green, Etc. They are just putting lipstick on a very gross commie pig.
I like Anthony Blinkens statement "if russia stops fighting there will be no war, if Ukraine stops fighting there will be no more Ukraine."
Notes, yes I am aware you can not get multiple lobotomys.
Things don’t go backwards. WW3 is what this will soon be.
The world isnta john llennin song
Lol when it was called a proxy war. You get censored calling it that nowadays.
Pretty much
16:18 Dat moment where there is a full scale war going on,but fuck that,the swing set is available
Did you just glorify Russias open aggresion, because of what happend in the past? Are you nuts? Russia is led by a mad man, Ukraine is fucked because the mad man want´s Ukraine. The world doesn´t want a freaking war, but Putin (the mad man) keeps stiring shit up. Hes led his own people to ruin as trade sanctions are laid upon Russia, forcing Russian citizens to starve, he openly kills homosexuals, supports dicator leadership in the middle east and kills everyone who gets in his way. Putin is a man mad, with the likes of North Koreas Kim Jong-Un. He doesnt want "hostile regimes" on his borders, because they know what fucked up shit hes doing. You say everyone is unaware of the situation, buts its freaking obvious. If the US enters Ukraine, you can wave good fucking bye to mother shit Russia. When NATO and the US has had enough of Putin, there will be made decisions that will shape the world as we know it. If you believe Russia can somehow stand up against the entire world, then go ahead - continue proving your ignorance and uncalled for hate against the US, a country which you most likely never visited or only heard of by Russian medias.
The fact you believe the "white helmets" are terrorist and executioners... Did your parents beat you as a child? How can you be this fucking crazy?
Remember the Budapest memorandum, where Russia, GB and the US guaranteed Ukraine's borders will not be changed? It's the first thing - Russia has its promises in its ass :)
The second thing is that 73rd article of Ukraine's constitution says that only by referendum of all the Ukrainian regions (!) can be decided any change of Ukraine's borders. That's why the referendum in Crimea is illegal.
The third thing is that all the Crimea was occupied by russian armed forces (Putin said that it is true in a year after the annexion). If you say "oh, there were russian forces before that" - that's true, but they had no rights to leave restricted territories (the russian's fleet bases).
It's a shame you, see no problems in violating international laws and countrys' sovereignty. It's a shame you, dear citizen of whatever country, approve methods of 19'th century in international politics and diplomacy and openly support a warmonger.
Haha true.. Swingset!
They were probably like well I'm gonna die anyways mine as well die with a smile.
My hart bleeding as I watch this two great brother nations fight each other... Where is the virus?
Difficult to watch this, many of my classmates went there and at least half of them were killed...
RogueMUA omg... was it a class trip then they just started shooting?
Huh. No they volunteered and went to fight for a freedom throughout the course of this surrogate war that’s still going on. Some never came back. Some came back, but aren’t the same anymore. In the faces of all soldiers that are in this video I see my neighbours, people that I knew since childhood and my classmates. War is ugly, even more so when your motherland and your country folk are involved and fight their own brothers.
rip
@@harrypotter8984 They are not Muricans FYI
Jasper C mhm aware.
13:17
"The shrapnel spreads out"
*touches vest*
They are extremely lucky if that were to detonate it would of killed the reporter injured camera man prob would of injured 2 maybe 3 solidiers
@@zackjones800 pretty sure it detonated, the thing theyre looking at is only the stabilising tail with the fiins
Interesting how you used to openly call it a proxy war, but never do anymore. 😐
Russia is fully involved now the fighting even hapened on thier own soil Russia claims to have anexed the parts of lands were fighting is hapening it is a war between Russia and Ukraine now
@@lukas6610 it has always been a proxy war.
According to Victoria Nuland, the US spent $5 Billion on Ukrainian opposition before 2014.
"Our goal is to weaken Russia." Secretary of Defense, Austin.
"The Russians are dying, it's the best money ever spent." US Senator Graham
"We're fighting the Russians over there, without shedding American blood." Senator Romney
(Congressman Dan Crenshaw also tweeted something to that effect).
@@lukas6610 "We've been involved in Ukraine since before they gained independence from the Soviet Union." George Soros.
2004 Orange Revolution was without a doubt the 1st instance of US meddle in Ukraine. Then Ukraine joined the US led coalition during the occupation of Iraq.
maybe because the conflict turned into a fullscale war when Russia invaded on 24th february 2022.
@@fogellmclovin3740 Maybe because naive people seem to think the world started on that date with zero sensibility or proper understanding of events before then. 🤷♂️
Finally not some bullshit Trump/Clinton video! This is probably the one of the more decent videos I've seen from Vice in a while!
How many accounts do you CENTCOM trolls have?
go west mate remove your tinfoil hat, it's cutting blood circulation to vital organs!
even just embedded stuff...
D is for Delta Vice is probably one of the best sources for foreign affairs, domestic, not so much.
10:28 Thats the most honest "yea right" face I have ever seen
6:51 Charlie Sheen Looking for action
The most underrated comment
Lol😂
Post that title today and you'd be called a Kremlinbot.
EXACTLY
RIP Motorola..
No... he's dead, but he shouldn't RIP.
Then you have not seen the side of Motorola I have..
Red Rooster Maybe.
You to like kill POW by shooting in back?
The Ukraine looks like a beautiful country. It's a shame Russia had to bring all this devastation.
> The Ukraine looks like a beautiful country.
Sure it does.
> It's a shame Russia had to bring all this devastation.
The war is on one level between one part of Ukraine and another.
While on another level - between Nato and Russia.
It's a shame both Nato and Russia are fueling the devastation.
Hope you realize that Nato is also here to blame. Even more than Russia, since there are no proofs of support from Russia of this conflict, while Nato is openly financing this military conflict. Just an idea for you to ponder...
blame the US
"no proofs of support from Russia of this conflict"
There is plenty of proof, from Russian-only weapons showing up in Ukraine that were just inducted into the military, to an increase in deaths from supposed 'training missions', to combat medals, and much, much more.
The propaganda is strong in you, comrade.
Why are you lying Morningstar? Do you think all those troops that invaded Ukraine and annexed Crimea just poofed into existence?
this aged well
10:46 “now you can hear the Minsk peace agreement” xD, I’m so late
Hold up aren’t you dead?! 🧐
Ukraine shouldn't have given away their nuclear missiles to Russia. That was a stupid move
No doubt. But no one could have thought of smt like this. Besides, the West was insisting on the nuclear disarmament.
Groggpuffar yeah, and what a wonderfull scenario to have constant "revolutions" in nuclear country. With nukes Ukraine also surrendered it's credits, Russia've paid them for all USSR and Ukraine also've got territoties it never had.
US Government had shit it pants pushing Ukraine to give it's huuuge nuclear arsenal (actually 3-rd in the world that time - 1200 missiles) to unpredictable insane bloody maniacs (who already started local wars in Georgia, Moldova and Azerbaijan). Who from Administration should pay for that genius decision?
Some of you need to learn a whole lot of 'stuff'. Ukraine made the right choice regarding those missiles. They were useless, anyway. They could only be launched by Russia 'systems', which Russia had and was in control of. Do more research on the matter.
netzoned What? Tell me the source about them being controlled by Russia?
Man... When will the world ever live in peace......
Sega Wolf compulsory getting stoned
It's already living in pieces! Oh, wait.
Seriously, when people finally frigging realize no one even needs a gov.
actually the mandatory getting thc in the body is very compelling
Sega Wolf hopefully never because that means something is seriously wrong. without conflicts we wouldnt progress. we would just sit and live in the peace of what we think is right when really we should be progressing so that maybe we will have a way to live by the time the earth cant support our species anymore.
Never.
This aged well in 2023
You know you’ve done it when you piss the Canadians off.
It’s sad to realize that most of the soldiers in the documentary may have died during the conflict
Hope they are still around. Stand up guys holding the frontline against Russian aggression
the casualty rates on both sides are not as high as we, civilians, tend to perceive. My father fought in the Luhansk oblast in the Summer of 2014, and nobody from his platoon got even injured, while some other units were beaten heavily. It depends on a variety of factors, but since 2015-2016, the intensity of fighting has decreased substantially, so most of them are alive.
@@mrswishadank2329 😂 "Russian aggression". You are ignorant as you are brainwashed. I won't even bother to dismantle how stupid your comment is. You have no idea
Nah its not that bad
Imagine being blown away that soldiers die.
vice has the biggest balls from all the news networks
it is but what other news is with isis on the front lines
or Ukraine rebels they have some big balls
Watch their video about dead russian soldiers that serve "near" Ukraine and die in a way nobody knows, the journalists get attacked and tailed by unknown people for just filming around their graves. You wouldn't get attacked for visiting a grave of a dead US soldier that died in iraq...
Na you should check the work of ANNA News in Syria. Taking the balls metaphor to a new level. No offense but Vice are pussies.
umedina13 true lol haha
watching this in 2023 be crazy
well this did not age well. "No evidence US Govt was behind the 2014 Coup" hahhahaa
unprovoked russian invasion
@@bobsmith9571 sure it was and Putin colluded with Trump in the 2016 election, and masks, social distancing and the V a a x all work, and the v i rus came from Pangolins, and men can have babies, and Joe Biden is 100% sharp and on top of things, and got more votes then Barack Obama, and Fanni Willis is the most ethical, competent, and hot DA in the whole country. And soon the Easter Bunny will be here!
"There's bullet holes everywhere from high-velocity weapons." Ah yes, such technical language
such artful words
Many Canadians have Ukrainian-Ruthenian Heritage
the melting pot
The way you paint with such a small brush, you'll never see your masterpiece. Ethnicity isn't what makes a country, what makes a country is how the people come together. Canada is uniquely Canadian just like the United States is uniquely American. The only thing that is fiction is all of these differences you speak of.
Well aware of the national murder rate, and of Flint Michigan. That's a completely different issue, but the reason Sweden has such a problem is because those people don't assimilate and reject their way of life. Ethnicity makes those ghettos and high crime, not the country. The United States is called the melting pot, not the stewing pot. That means everybody came in with one thing and became a part of everything that ended up being what "American" is. That's why I have heritage from multiple european societies but I will be damned if I call myself anything but american. And there's no reason to swear. -.-
You ask anybody that isn't American what American means, they can give you an answer and it's going to be examples of what we've done as a country. Americans stick out, no matter what they look like. THEY KNOW.
How are your comments/answers relevant to this video?
Unprovoked war right western media 🤣 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
Watching this in today's context is fascinating.
This guy's description of a tracer round clearly shows his call of duty level of knowledge regarding military hardware.
This jokester calls himself a war correspondent.
Not sure if trolling or just stupid.
It's a civilian pointing it out to other civilians. What, was he supposed to do a technical breakdown while under fire in a war zone?
Luke Lewis you look 15. Are you an expert on warfare ?
+sik59rt I think Luke Lewis is just trying to show off his "COD level knowledge of military hardware"
Finally they call it a Proxy War
3erkalo what is a said proxy war?
yaroslav sokruta
A proxy war is when two sides use two smaller sides to wage war. In this example the West is using the Ukrainian military while Rusdia is using Ukrainian separatists and mercenaries. Russia and the West can't fight each other because they have nuclear weapons, so they get these smaller groups to fight on their behalf.
The same thing happened in Vietnam.
Deadlyaztec27 and korea
Артур Бар
You're wrong. Russia was looking to:
1.) Acquire Crimea to regain a warm water port for its submarines.
2.) Acquire as much of Eastern Ukrainian territory as possible (as they have a high Russian speaking population)
3.) They wanted Western Ukrainians to replace their government with a more pro-Russian government. You have to remember that Russian intervention started because Viktor Yanukovych refused to sign a treaty to let Ukraine enter the EU since he supported Russian-Ukrainian relations. After people protested and Viktor left the country Russia started its intervention to keep Ukraine from joining the EU.
Russia is afraid of former USSR states joining the EU because its afraid of losing influence. In all honesty, joining the EU makes economic sense to these countries because they get more trade and their standards of living rises. Russia however is scared of losing power because they think that the West plans to overthrow them one day. Which doesn't make any sense since the Cold war is over; changing out the Russian government would be much more costly and dangerous than just leaving Russia alone.
Poland for example is extremely wary of Russia, and Russia hasn't been able to touch them because Poland is in NATO. Now Ukraine wants to join NATO to stop further Russian interference.
Артур Бар and Russia all so turned the Syrian civil war in to a proky war dragging it on for years to come.
You cannot say full blown proxy war on CZcams anymore nowadays. Unprovoced attack,right?
Damn you guys used to do good reporting and not have biased video titles
What are you smoking? They still do amazing journalism.
its like escape from tarkov, but with no loot to steal
And no scavs to shoot. Dicky needles
there are beutiful women to loot tho, eheheh!!
pussies such as yourselves deserve to experience war so you can have some respect
@@thickac7579 TRIGGERED
Escape from Tarkov is like real life
instead of Syria, mainstream media should focus on Ukrain
Prashant !!! Stop trying to leave the war you're apart of it damn coward
Prashant !!!Syria is a full scale war where 500000 people have died which is significantly more than in Ukraine, thats why the media focused on it.
They cant because everybody would knows the truth..
Halcyon149 1234 nope ,they focus on that especially to not speak about Ukraine (especially in france where iam Livin)
guy piercamp what truth
Good old days when you could call a proxy war , a proxy war.
Ikr. NOW IT'S AN UNPROVOKED Invasion 😂😂
@@fourq2049 + genocide of all human race🤣🤣
@@McHallelthe word "genocide" has lost its meaning now.
@@fourq2049 actually that’s correct
@@fourq2049it is unprovoked…Russians literally could’ve just stayed in there own country. Why is that simple concept so hard?
Just imaging Russians arming and training Mexicans to fight against US someday
Cuba
In Syria Russians were invited by the legitimate government and therefore legal under international law. Likewise Iran. The USA invaded illegally. In Crimea..."The autonomous Republic of Crimea" with its own Parliment In Simferopol, arranged a referendum to Leave The Ukranian federation and rejoin the Russian federation. This resulted in over 96 %in favour of rejoining Russia. I doubt if that proportion of East Germas would have been in favour of rejoining West Germany...which did not have such a democratic referendum of those directly concerned. In East Ukraine where I have stayed and have friends the situation is terrible. Russia cannot invade or would be in breach of international law, Individual Russians no doubt help but an army is needed to repel the Kiev junta forces. So many atrocities have been committed by the US backed junta that there never will be the possibility of Lugansk and Donbass ever reuniting with Kiev. Refugees run away from aggressors, not towards them. There are two million such refugees from East Ukraine in Russia...a clear show of who the aggressors are in this conflict. A little known fact...of the ten most populous cities in Ukraine nine speak predominately Russian not Ukranian. However in the heart of the conflict area in Debaltsavo my friends speak both daily. Read "Frontline Ukraine" for more information. I have neither the time nor inclination to counter the saturation Western war machine propaganda.
You forget to mention that Russia already occupied the entire peninsula, including government buildings, the "decision" to hold the referendum was made while the parliament building was occupied by armed Russian soldiers. The Crimean prime minister that was appointed while the parliament was occupied only had 4% of the popular vote, his party held 3 seats out of 100 in the parliament.
And there was at least one MP who has stated that his voting card was used to vote for holding a referendum despite him not even being present at the time.
The military occupation alone makes the referendum illegal, no matter if the results are authentic or not.
jimmyn89SWE Wrong on every point. The president was elected, not appointed. His ratings were poor but as poor as the present US backed Junta. And No, the Russians were not occupying the whole peninsula. They were legitimably in Sevastapol and never exceeded the permitted 20K allowed by agreement. The USA is not occupying all of Cuba because thy have a torture base there.
Joss Fitzsimons
Stop this charade, no one believes the official Russian story. The entire world knew the so called "little green men" were Russian soldiers the moment they appeared.
And they weren't sitting in their base in Sevastopol, they were all over the peninsula, occupying government buildings and besieging Ukrainian bases, so yes, Crimea was under military occupation.
And far as pretty much the entire world sees it, Crimea is still occupied, almost no countries recognize Russian rule, even close friends of Russia have refused to recognize it as part of Russia.
Lomnjac007 Oh yeah? Less than 10 countries have officially recognized Russian rule over Crimea, out of roughly 200 or so countries in the world.
1. What ban? The repeal of the language law was vetoed by interim president Turchynov, the repeal never passed.
And even if it had, it certainly did not ban Russian language, the law was only passed in 2012 and Russian language was not banned before 2012.
Also, separatist commander Igor Girkin has claimed personal responsibility for starting the war.
Furthermore, there have been plenty of weapons used in the war that are in service with the Russian military but that are not and never have been used by the Ukrainian military and therefore could not have come from any Ukrainian depots.
2. As for nazism, the nazis in Ukraine are a small minority, put together Svoboda and Right Sector hold about 7 seats out of 450 in the Ukrainian parliament. And there are nazis fighting on the separatist side as well by the way. In fact the former "People's governor" of Donetsk, Pavel Gubarev who is a Russian by the way, was part of the neo nazi group "Russian National Unity".
3. The Georgian army was most certainly not led by any Americans and only a small part of it had any American training and that was counter insurgency training which is not exactly useful when fighting against a conventional army.
And there were far more than 10 000 Russian soldiers involved, not to mention separatist forces, the Georgians were heavily outnumbered.
Also, the war started after months of separatist and Russian provocations.
There were skirmishes between Georgia and separatist forces the entire first week of August. These skirmishes started when separatist IED injured 5 Georgian policemen.
And Russia had already been massing and moving forces towards the Roki tunnel before the war started, whereas the Georgians only mobilized on August 7th when fighting was already underway.
The Georgian offensive was nothing but a desperate preemptive strike.
And really? 300 kilometers you say? Have you actually looked at a map from Georgia, it's a small country. If Georgian forces fighting in Thskinvali had retreated for 300 kilometers they would've ended up deep inside either Turkey, Armenia or Azerbaijan, they even could've reached Iran.
And no one claims that Ukraine could withstand a fullscale invasion, Russia is only doing enough to keep the separatists from being overrun, for example in August 2014 when the separatists where on the verge of collapse.
And it is extremely hypocritical for Russia to support the separatists seeing as supporting separatism in Russia is a crime that can give 5 years in prison.
jimmyn89SWE BULLSHIT!!!! ALL OF IT!!! And who cares if countries recognize Crimeas return to its RIGHTFULL owner, those UN CUNTS recognized independance of Kosovo and Metohia based on a wish of ISLAMIC TERRORIST GUESTS there (since 1945 mostly) because they need them to give them a base, a staging point, near Russia, which is now LARGEST base in Europe!!!!
Oh yeah, them Nazis have soooo little influence that they have 4 BATALIONS of Nazis fighting the Russians, google how many that is, if only 1 of 50 joined that is waaaay to many!!!!
And NO, Georgian bullshit about them being invaded by Russias 58th, I think, army with over 70 000 men is such BULLSHIT that only a moron can believe, Russia pulling such a large force within days for an unprovoked invasion, yeeeeah...
Vice is trying to rewrite history
Allen Aussie How?
@Matthew McCallum
By making slanted videos like this?
SnazzyD in what way is it "slanted".
Vice description:
"The West has used everything from signals intelligence operations, espionage, fighter jet saber-rattling, and diplomatic standoffs to stem the rise of Russian influence around the world. These efforts are coming to a dangerous head in Ukraine - a classic Eastern Bloc proxy state - where the presence of NATO troops is driving tensions to Cold War-era levels."
"As the armed conflict between the Ukrainian army and Russian-backed separatists enters its third year, VICE travels to the frontline to take a closer look at what international assistance really looks like for those caught in the line of fire."
What it should say:
The West has used everything from signals intelligence operations, espionage, fighter jet saber-rattling, and diplomatic standoffs *and coups* to stem the *defense of Russia and its allies* around the world. These efforts are coming to a dangerous head in Ukraine - a classic Eastern Bloc *ally of Russia* - where the presence of NATO troops *and the puppet government of the USA and its entities* is driving tensions to *extreme* Cold War *II* levels.
As the armed conflict between *USA and its entities back* the Ukrainian army and *its puppet government* and Russian-backed separatists enters its third year, VICE travels *50 miles from the front, complete with staged fighting* to *pretend to* take a look at what international assistance really looks like for those caught in the line of fire, *which is mostly civilians killed by the Ukraine Army and USA backed NGO's*.
EDIT: I have not rechecked my map. It may be more accurate to say 40 miles. Also, USA has boots on the ground in the form of advisers/trainers. The USA has also conducted military exercises such a Marine amphibious landings on Ukraine beaches/shores, etc. The USA and its entities last coup was against the democratically elected Ukraine gov which it over-threw and installed the puppet gov. There is a lot more to the situation. If you desire, find my other post.
netzoned do you have any proof?
WWII AND WWI - bringing 70k or 100k soldiers to fight
Modern Warfare- 100 or 70 soldiers
And always burst fire.
It's a civil war it's also not an all out war it's only fought by volunteers so obviously there aren't many fighters
@@clusterhunt Ukraine has conscription
@@clusterhunt it would be impossible for volunteers to fight war for all these years without foreign support. Face it, it is a proxy war.
It’s so sad watching my brothers kill each other. I’m both Russian and Ukrainian and it just sucks seeing this..
same..though I have no family in Russia. But i am very much aware that west lies at least as much as russia does, if not more.I am tired of picking between less evils so i just hope for Europe raising as one big third position
Vice News: Just Apotheke Western Propaganda show...
=(
Note both of these people have subscribed the RT channel, gullible to propaganda much?
Cause RT isnt such a Propaganda theatre like VICE Show?
Rosi Ritzenduft A news organization funded by the russian goverment, but sure it's not propaganda. Keep believing that.
So NBC, CNN, CBC is funded by us Gov.? Or y must RT funded by RUS gov? Start Building your own mind!!!!!!!!!
fuck me... just turned 18! if WW3 does happen looks like I'm ripe for the fight. Better start training now brb
you should practice building up a tolerance to radioactive fallout
First of all WW3 already happened, it was called the Cold War. Second, the next World War is already happening in case you haven't noticed, it's the war between jihadist fascism and secular democracy.
@Sam Maxwell You clearly don't know what a World War is
Korea was the closest thing to a world war, and we're not at a point like that again.
There will also be a war or "conflict" in the Arctic in the future. Russia, Canada, US, and China all have financial interest in the region but Russia is way ahead with multiple military bases, arctic class oil rigs, nuclear powered ice breakers, multiple air fields etc.
it went from a western proxy war to a "unprovoked" invasion
Yea it’s like Russia shouldn’t have invaded
@@bogotnukes379 they had no other choice
@@deadrat7989 bullshit, stop swallowing Russian propaganda.
Putin could have negotiated with the separatists to accept re-integration under a new style of shared government, with security guarantees from Russia. But Putin didn't want peace, he wanted land.
Don't stick up for a fucking autocrat Tsar-wannabe. Have some fucking respect for yourself
@lulkLogan you dumb Fu** watch the video nato was building a military to attack Russia don't be a sheep I bet your vaccinated you dope.
@@bogotnukes379 it's like Ukrainians shouldn't have massacred Ukrainians of Russian origin.
America just making sure that the Big Guy continues to get his 10%.
''Now you can hear the Minsk peace agreement''
I am from Ukraine and I wanna thank to everyone, who helps ukrainian soldiers in their fight against russian orcs. Glory to Ukraine!
Glory to the Heroes!
Glory to you and the Ukraine, my friend!
And what is Алеппо?
ascryblkmn When will declare war on the aggressor? When the regiments of brave soldiers of Ukraine move to Crimea ? When your super friends are going to start bombing Simferopol as the Russian bombing of Aleppo?
Hey sperg, I made a Gary Johnson joke.
When will gas prices save Russia's economy? I filled up for 1.83 a gallon in New Jersey a few days ago. Drill baby drill.
when vice actually did 'some' reporting
Glory to Ukraine, bless every last one of their souls
Well, people have to stand up to bullies. Russians are fantastic people too. The problem is those abusing power.
I m not mad against Ukrainians but if have to protect my country (Russia) against them I would do it without hesitation
@@paulbrimble8204 My family is from Donetsk. We are much more Russian than Ukrainian.
@@Denzil12 What you mean? I too speak russian, my grandmother too from Russia , and i live in Odessa. I still learning russian in my government school. And all ok.
@@shrek2929 I mean it's the other way around, they're protecting their country
Vice is back back baby, pls upload more awesome content like this
I know it takes a while to conduct it and you choose quality over quantity, but still gives us more like this
thanks............ sincerely everyone
LOL.
this is the reason I subscribed, do more of this
So you subscribed, for more left anti Russian propaganda? Nice.
Typical Cossack are there Ukrainian troops in Russia? No of course not
Michael Dunham Ukraine permited Russian Troops there, Russia even payed a fee. And there was no annexsation, the people voted to leave and rejoin Russia.
Typical Cossack In the 1994 Budapest agreement the memorandum included security assurances against threats or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan, this included Crimea.
And of the Black Sea Agreement where in exchange for leasing bases in Crimea Russia was bound to "respect the sovereignty of Ukraine, honor its legislation and preclude interference in the internal affairs of Ukraine"
Of course Putin being the criminal he is completely disregard both these when he illegally annexed Crimea.
So question is does Russia allow such referendums on their territory?
WeekzGod
Ukranian, head of UBD “since the military conflict started we have only documented 56 Russians participating in it.”
“...civillians are getting hurt in deadly crossfire...”
“...deadly crossfire...”
*THE CIVILIANS ARE BEING SPECIFICALLY TARGETED YOU LYING FUCKS!*
LAW BY POROSHENKO DECLARED ANYBODY STILL WITHIN THE REGION OF EASTEEN UKRAINE “TERRORISTS”!
Eastern Ukranians only crime was to ask for equal treatment and rights!
Poroshenko, the corrupt pig has said it live on TV many times
“our children will go to schools and kindergarden, their children will hide in basements!”
Former Ukranian president: * “Hell they should all be killed with nukes!” *
In reference to the,
“8 million ethnic Russians in East Ukraine”
Welp. Time to get caught up.
11:10 LMFAO hahahaha JOURNALIST LITERALLY USED THE SOLDIER AS A HUMAN SHIELD 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Not.Funny
I’m pretty sure it’s what the soldier is there to do.
My guy, the soldier is there to protect the civilians, including journalists. What’s so funny about the man doing his job?
@@chodeoriki4113 what the soldier did was admirable, what the journalist did was pathetic.
Wait....... Canada has a army?
yeah they've been involved in almost every major conflict since WW1
Canada, on the side of NATO, sent a significant amount of forces to afghanistan.
Yes, while we have a small army, its also a very skilled and effective army.
lol.yes they have an army.
Yes. They liberated my country from the krauts!
Canadians training Ukrainians to fight Russia? lol
Канадцы помогают перейти на стандарты нато, дают не летальное оружие, присылают специалистов. Это ли не помощь? А украинцев не нужно учить бороться с золотой ордой (московией). Они с ней уже 700 сражаются.
WE WUZ VIKANGS!!! n shiet. they're our own citizens, why would we fight them?
Canadians are training the Ukrainian army because its in Canada's interests to keep the Russian military at bay, Canada Isn't a "peaceful" or "neutral" Nation by any standards however friendly its foreign policies may be they have too much at stake to not intervene. They share a very close border to Russia, and the Russian military (NAVY) has been aggressively paving new trade routes and threatening Canadian vessels in the arctic. (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_claims_in_the_Arctic).Canada is the idea example of what western democracy should be and so it will further its interests.But when it boils down to it all its all about the oil, don't believe me? Here's a very blatantly biased video by RT discussing both sides ambitions over the oil: czcams.com/video/iyDd343UxRQF/video.htmlor all you people interested in the situation or are avid Putin supporters I suggest you look into these claims or use some of my sources her:Putin Increases military presence in Arctic: czcams.com/video/h8kIurQBvzwR/video.htmlussia's arctic Ambitions: czcams.com/video/Q1Ij2ISC_uUR/video.htmlussia building Military bases in the arctic: czcams.com/video/jfFF1n7R7DgA/video.htmlnd lastly: Russia and Canada face off over North Pole: czcams.com/video/ZiIIrR9CJgg/video.html
Try to use the big boy voice ...little less lisp there, Mary.
Cs go giveaway Guy
You been living under a rock?
who is watching in 2022
Viktor Tsoi sang: "War for no reason ... War is a matter for young people ... A cure for wrinkles" "He fell, scorched by a star named the Sun!" in his famous song "The star named the Sun"
This gives me a huge S.T.A.L.K.E.R vibe
Are you talking about the game?
yuuuuup
AH NU! CHEEKI BREEKI I V DAMKE
+Adûnâi Nothing against Nazis? You must be seriously clueless or big idiot....
Kaneki Nightcore I am proud of you
3:42
That reporter has some dope ass kevlar. Looks like he copped it straight out of a mad max set
For real when was the last time you saw a reporter with a high cut lol
Thats a canadian style kevlar
This video should have 20 millions views at least.
why, what's been portrayed is seven years old
@@Eminentharp thats why it need 20million views history is important people will get a clear picture
The special forces' calmness is amazing.
its a reason they are special :)
The only guy I could hear speaking Ukrainian was at 14:37.
Like I'm Ukrainian, and I was expecting this to happen. 'Any moment now'.
Well Hugh . The truth is all of Ukraine was Russia less then 100 years ago .
kj smith True, but then you're forgetting that there were a lot of other countries in the union. Also, Ukraine came before Russia if you knew anything about Slav history. In fact, Russians can all principally trace their origins to Ukrainian nomads.
Hugh Mungus Really ? How did I forget that ? You make a lot of assumptions about my education and level of intelligence . Why is that ?
Take me back to 1634 when the "Ukrainians" were liberated from the Pols . Or better yet lets go back to December 6th 1240 AD when the Mongols wiped out Kiev and inter bred with their women for a few hundred years . Tell me the History of Ukraine starting from the Varangians . Show me how well you know your Slavic history. Tell me about these Ukrainian Nomads . Where do they come from, Mongolia or somewhere in the Deserts of Arabia ?
kj smith It seemed to me like you were attempting to justify Russia's claim over Ukraine, so I presented facts to disprove you. I only said 'forgetting' for the context of this response - although Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union in which Russia was a member (the dominant member, too), Russia only happened because of Ukraine, so there is little justification for this invasion based on the Soviet Union. Sorry if it offended you, but Russian patriotism is quite aggravating.
kj smith And besides, the nomads that I was referring to were the original Slavic tribes. I know of the Mongols, but their DNA was a smaller part of Russia's genetic makeup.
They need to push up and establish a FOB.
And then randevu at the extraction point with the intel and round up the troops.
Storytime626 you're sarcastic, right?
lol
someone plays PR here....
They need to construct additional Pylons.
The prep for proxy war started immediate after minks
I'm an american and a democrat . However the US and some of its western lackies started this mess of a civil war in Ukraine . The US backed fascists in the so called revolution in Kiev which went on to attack Eastern Ukraine which is predominately made up of those of Russian descent . Russia reacted to this US supported Ukraine Fascist aggression into the Donbas(eastern ukraine) by supporting , aiding and protecting the Donbas region .
I have a question! Can we live together peacefully??
It's human nature to fight sometimes.
Ukraine was just fine until the U.S decided they wanted power in that area and all the sudden the legally elected president is gone and some fucked up nazi regime that is loyal to the U.S is now in power.
No.
Zabiullah Hafizi when so-called "people respublics" will be licvidated, as well as Crimea will be deoccupied
There's always that one guy who bought the whole russian propaganda package, because the real situation is too complicated for him.
Here's a piece of advice, if you want to find the cause of the conflict, you have to look for it before the riots even started.
Calling it a "classic proxy war" is not really correct. Russia is sending TROOPS, tanks, AA, SAMs, artillery and munitions, while NATO members have sent trainers, logistical support and non-lethal aid while refusing to send weapons. One is an invasion, the other is teaching a nation to defend itself. Equating the two is is disingenuous
Proofs of russian heavy unit presence in Eastern Ukraine pls.
+Василий Панин Where do the DPR and LPR get their tanks from? They don't just pull them out of their own asses, that's proof
Daniel Semi nur but but the russia is peaceful......not
“So why are they shelling here?” - “I don’t know, it’s about hate…”. I chuckled
There's nothing funny about being shelled for who you are. 😒 India should know that more than most.
He also said there were no fighters there as he walked down the street with all the fighters. That part made me chuckle.
When there is a war vice is always there
Its so sad seeing ukraine like this i lived in ukraine til i was 7 left to the us 2011 and than this happened its so sad watching people fight. slava ukraine
Cloudie 2 don't worry, it will be Future-Russia soon
Heroes slava
Cloudie 2 3
Im lithuanian and all i want to say is #slava ukraina
Cloudie 2 а че по английски ???? Своего языка нет? Или вы уже американцы
You Are ах да забыл, украинцы уже англоязычные....
I wish all the conflicts and the wars all over the world would come to an end. Fighting doesn't really fix anything.
Moki
That's the problem that the White House and the Kremlin don't get....
Their so damn addicted to the wartime economy.
War will never end it's impossible. just learn to live with this
Thats something that most of the human species dont understand, dunno why
Maybe because war actually fixes a lot of things? Killing is bad, sure, but it has to be done sometimes
Novess PL 1 war triggers another and so on...its an endless chain reaction that only kill civilians who dont even know whats happening.
Поздрави от България 🇧🇬🇺🇦
I don't think the West should have funded this war. Euromaidan split the country in two. The Crimean referendum and the Odesa massacre drove the sides further apart. Both sides refused to aknowledge the other side's equally illegitimate government. This leads to a civil war. If the West valued Ukranian lives they should have worked harder to implement and sustain the peace agreements. After there is peace, then you can arm and train defence forces. It very obviously doesn't work the other way around. I suspect the plan was always to exploit the situation for American interests. That seems to be the function of NATO.
WTF IS CANADA DOIN THERE
+Morgan Freeman
You sure you want the answer? OKaaay. USA/NATO are preparing an invasion of Russia. This the biggest build up of NATO forces since the Korean War. That is why there was a western coup of Ukraine, so that USA/NATO could have a better aggressive posture against Russia.
It is very similar to what Hitler did before his invasion of Russia in WWII.
It is very similar to the Cuban Missile Crisis, only 1000 times worse.
I think I will stop there. I probably fucked up your day.
donald trump loves russia. problem solved.
+Morgan Freeman
Were you a Hillary supporter?
Morgan Freeman doing what the US should have done a long time ago.
netzoned oh? It was NATO that was preparing to invade? Huh. That's odd. Last I checked it was the Russians that annexed Crimea and funded separatists first. The people hated the Ukrainian president because he was a Russian shill. So now Russia is poised to invade and conquer ukraine. This time, I want the US to fire at Russia. You losers didn't learn your lesson the first time, so we have to teach it to you again.
"In any case, a human is such a creature, he adapts to everything...but nonetheless the human adapts" I will remenber that for a long time, it's an outstanding thing what that soldier said, makes even more sense to me and gives me hope.Even the thougest warrior has a heart, he shows that he still have one!
Canadians are very helpfull
Scary how so many people in the US don’t realize this is happening. Hell, I didn’t know much about Crimea before this.
There are millions of Ukrainians in Canada. Most of my relatives were starved to death in Ukraine by Russia. Glory to Ukraine.
You are delusional and still virgin I guess !
Hello from Ukraine
валентин зощук hello from Russia
Awkward...
at least they don't try to kill each other xD
yet
сука, ахаха)
I don't think they would but yeah I'm Ukrainian too two on one why not
6:50 Its nice to see people adapting to such a violent environment.
Wait... so it is a proxy war?
what's taken Vice News so long to produce quality content again? This is actually pretty good.
As a US citizen, I am sympathetic to Russia's issues with Nato. It makes no sense as to why we have continued Nato in a way that does not include Russia. We should either scrap Nato and make a new coalition that includes Russia, or we should include Russia in Nato. But to keep them out of any formal coalition is ridiculous. Russia feels that Nato has viewed them as the enemy since the collapse of the Soviet Union and when we are putting missile defense systems and god knows what else at their borders, I understand why. Mind you, I'm not defending the actions of Putin, all I'm saying is its very easy to see how we got here and I think the only way out of this at this point, is by including Russia rather than isolating them. Russia went toe to toe with the US for 50 years and to be honest, the two countries brought the best out of each other, the competition drove us to evolve technologically like we never would have otherwise. However that came at a great cost, which was living every day with the fear that day could be your last. We must do everything we can to prevent us from going back to that.
Aaron Nato can not be scraped the day it collapses is the day Russia starts to annex the baltics. just like georgia and Crimea.
Ok so let Russia join Nato then.
The thing is that Russia does not want to join NATO they are more interested in being a world power and leading countries
Perhaps, but right now Russia is putting missile systems that are capable of launching nuclear tipped weapons.
www.ibtimes.co.uk/poland-lithuania-estonia-concerned-russia-deploys-nuclear-capable-missiles-kaliningrad-1585451?/rss/yahoous/news&yptr=yahoo
www.yahoo.com/news/russia-deploys-nuclear-capable-missiles-nato-doorstep-152729663.html
Russia will never be part of NATO... NATO's mission is to marginalize Russia. Its like oil & water.
At least some in the US are interested in reorganizing NATO and making it relevant to the post-soviet era. NATO should have gone away along with the USSR.
Unfortunately there are others in the US, including one running for president... who cannot think outside of the East/West box & are dying to have at it with the Russians... and will stop at nothing to engage in some sort of conflict with them, at minimum restart the cold war... at most, start WW3.
That is the truly dangerous candidate and likely the future of the USA. It is no wonder that she has the backing of many current & former military/intelligence officials who spent their entire careers with Russia as their adversary... many of whom are not happy with how the USSR dissolved and want to see Russia completely ruined. Not to mention the mil/ind complex which never met a war it didnt like and stands to profit massively from such a conflict reigniting... Which is why there is such a distracting smear campaign against Trump... trying to distract you with pseudo-racism and misogyny... What they really hate is that he doesnt want to fight Russia & sees them as potential allies and trading partner. Many stand to profit from the status quo, Trump represents a reset in US-World relations both economically and militarily... Cold warriors and big money interests see the decline of their power under Trump and as such are backing the only neo-con war monger they can, and that of course is Hillary Clinton.
Choose wisely in November people.
There are bigger things at stake than hurt feelings
Loving the sight of those burning Bradley's and leopards in Ukraine though
nice air defence in moscow hahahahaahahhahahahaahahahahahahaha
@@lvdv4645 yeah, better patriots in Kiev
@@lvdv4645 Wasting millions of dollars just to hit Moscow with one... Excellent investment I might say, unfortunately (or not) it's won't help Ukrainian soldiers
Seeing those kids searching for toys in the wreckage that once was an apartment block was sad. Cant imagine growing up in a situation like that.
I'm glad to see that they are still focusing on conflicts that people are ignoring or have forgotten about
Nice work Ben, keep it up.
"We learn from our mistakes with our blood." Goddamn...
Vice thank you for covering this