Holding The Line For Another DNR Assault: Ukraine's Failed Ceasefire (Part 2)
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- čas přidán 28. 07. 2015
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After seeing the realities of the "ceasefire" in eastern Ukraine from the perspective of so-called Donetsk People's Republic (DNR) separatists, VICE News traveled across the defacto border to visit a number of Ukrainian positions near Donetsk international airport. The site was finally seized by DNR fighters in January after months of heavy fighting.
Along this stretch of the frontline, to the northwest of Donetsk, fighting has been almost continuous throughout two ceasefire agreements, whole villages lie in ruins, and few civilians dare to stay.
With its heavy industry and proximity to other major population centers in the Donetsk region, this area has long been speculated as a possible location for another DNR thrust. Yet so far the Ukrainian soldiers are holding the line.
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2:30 "What do you think about the ceasfire that was put in place?" "its better calmer now" *Hears mortar and gunfire in the background
Kevin Johnson , he said “better and calmer” not stopped
12:38 IDIOT))))
@@burjuyburjuyn5285 is he really though he brought up a good point that using nuclear weapons would have ended the war there long ago
That Afghan vet is the real character. I wish they would show more of him, I feel he has a lot of stories to tell.
hillock65 I bet he has a whole ton of Crazy stories, 'Nam vets too
hillock65 9th war omg :D
Y10Q Do you have a link or source?
Then give him nuklear weapon.
YES10 Russian propaganda
So if both sides say they only return fire when fired upon, who's doing the firing?
Andrew Cline the nazi's did it :) its probely true ^^
***** That's a good way to have high ratings ;)
Andrew Cline Aliens from Nibiru.
Andrew Cline Here's a hint...both sides are.
Andrew Cline Исходящие и мимо летящие снаряды слышно,а разрывов на украинской стороне нет.Это ответ на вопрос кто нарушает перемирие!
you know the sad thing about this all, Ukraine and Russia used to be like the U.S and Canada. than Ukraine wanted to join Europe, and Russia could not stand Ukraine wanting anything else besides Russia. like a crazy ex-girlfriend.
sad indeed
Yep very sad to see when they walked into Crimea they dint want to fight the Russians said it was shooting at there brothers and how they felt betrayed
z0ro_ Those who did not wanted to fight Russians are now in Russian army. Cause 80% of Crimean garrison have switched sides. And they are extremely happy that they are not part of this mess in Ukraine.
100vasiliy Umm... no. That would imply that Ukraine was territory of an enemy empire that opposed Russia and was never in union with them. That's a very wrong way of looking at the situation.
100vasiliy The main trigger of the Maidan coup was then-PM Yanukovich’s refusal to sign over Ukraine to the US/EU by adopting the Association Agreement (“AA”). The AA would have cost Ukraine $20 Billion in direct market adjustment costs, which Ukraine asked the EU to help with. The EU, being broke, having just bailed out the PIIGS, refused. Russia then offered cheap natural gas, a loan of $15 Billion, and a customs union.
Only 39% of Kiev's government voted in favour of the EU Association Agreement... meaning 61% did NOT want to cut ties with Russia.
Yanukovich accepted the Russian deal, so the US/EU ousted him and replaced him with the puppet Yatsenyuk.
***** Main reason of Maidan coup was that Yanukovich never had any support in Kiev. He was voted by East regions votes(with slogans that he would make ties with Russia, defend Russian speaking population etc...). This is why democracy have been killed in Ukraine by maidan. Maidan know that they would have lost next election so pushed for coup.
Wow that guy at 12:10 seems like real G! Seriously if I was going to war I wouldn't even be afraid if I had a guy like that on my side.
That guy is badass
He talks out of his ass, unreliable and uncapable probably.
Don't fancy looks too much
Israeli Netz says the guy who’s nation’s soldiers are afraid of rocks thrown at them, legit.
@@nomad5089 *dead body reported*
@@israelinetz9763 speak for yourself your in a CZcams comment section
We need Mr.Simon to comback and finish what he started.(He's a damn good journalist)
I'm from the former Yugoslavia and this reminds me of what I saw in my home country back in '91 until we fled to Canada. Politics are pure evil.
puss puss
Da, narod je bio nasilno razdvojen bez razloga. Jedini razlog je to što su nasim liderima trebale pare i ugodan zivot. Dok narod gine oni piju cajeve i idu na piknike. Svuda je tako. Nažalost
@@redheavy4326 I don't speak your fucking bullshit and neither does Ukraine.
@@dipshtrid3r327 i told that to the guy who wrote the comment
@@redheavy4326 I believe I was drunk that day. Forgive me daddy.
Love how the civilian says its calmer but u can still hear some distant shelling. Its a shame they are at a point where thats considered calm
They have no choice !!!
I prefer this guy over Simon, much more objective.
I agree with you there pal. I wish vice would do an investigation into the maidan snipers or nulands phone call or mh17. The u.s. Is not as benign as they make them appear to be. But I expect nothing less from a new station partly owned by Rupert Murdoch.
Exactly.
what christ said ^
Chris Pifer Won't fit into the script.
A state should never cede territory due to the protestations of separatists. These Russian nationalists should migrate to Russia if they feel that's their homeland. I stand with Ukraine, Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Finland. Putin knows no limits and he is grating the patience of Europe.
cabalofdemons lol So the Patriot rebels had no right to fight for independence from the British Empire...?
Drew Gaughan The 13 colonies were colonies of Great Britain. Ukraine is not a Russian colony, but a sovereign nation-state. Russian nationalists were free to migrate to Russia if they wanted to.
cabalofdemons They're clearly Donetsk Nationalists, not Russian. If they were Russian, they'd be seeking to become Russian territory, and they haven't given one hint of that.
Drew Gaughan Putin is sending Russian troops to support them. The separatists are just that, separatists with Russian sympathizers.
cabalofdemons Exactly: Separatists. ie. They wish to make Donetsk and Luhansk their own state.
I like the guy at 3:25 who tied a foam ass cushion to his pants so wherever he sits it will be comfortable. That's brilliant.
Funny how people never seem to scream "propaganda" when VICE gives the DNR side of the story.
I swear the internet is controlled by russia bots....
i swear i have seen this comment a shitload of times already implaying propaganda aswell, this defeats your statement already
Because the fighting is in DNR territories, these guys are civilians turned into fighters defending themselves.
@@mlc4495 True, but simply put they're historically ethnic Russians that are stuck in a country that wants to be part of the EU / NATO. Just let them break away FFS and stop this bloodshed.
russia paid commentators aren't people per se.
When he said about hearing fighters screaming Allah akbar 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 that's definitely Russians trolling them in the trenches.
lol he meant thats how he knows they are actual russians since there are muslim russians.
Chechens mate
You really make me laugh seriously 🤣🤣🤣
Counter-battery fire is usually more intense than incoming. the goal is to suppress or destroy the enemy position. so it makes sense to hear more outgoing.
Victory to Ukraine!!!
Joseph Griveas oh look russian nazi
Joseph Griveas What did the Jews do now?
***** They're doing better than the DPR in all their flaws anyways.
Matt L W
But today?
Autsinger Ironic, isn't it? Not too long ago, the Kremlin was trying to sell the their own people and the world that the Ukrainian government side was full of racists and nazis.
Ukrainian soldiers look like decent fellas, unlike those DNR jailbirds.
This makes me feel like playing Metro 2033
Yo Metro 2033 is awesome. Last Light really wasn’t that great.
Great reporting as always from Henry Langston. Stay safe brother.
Wait.. Did that guy said the word Muslim? Oh shit, not good.
*say
Oh, my apologies. "Say"
Ray Curiel You never know. Under cover Russian's are dirty to the point where they could very well pull off shouting "Allahu Akbar" while firing just to trick them. Or worse, they could have hired Chechen's to fight.
DarkSideSixOfficial This is in fact a know tactic deployed by "Motorolla" since the battle of Slaviansk.
it doesn't matter, i doubt if they are employed in the russian Army they are relatively moderate. Remember that Allah Akbar simply means "God is great". You won't be judged a hardline Christian if you exclaim "Jesus Christ!" either for example.
All this really means is that Russia is deploying Soldiers from all regions of their country.
I see the St.Petersburg troll factory's still keeping busy.
How are you doing? Kiev, Langley?
@@Russianbro777 Replying 4 years later? You must be really hurt by the comment? Actually, no, I'm not a US troll, (1.68K subscribers on a 7 year old channel with 47 vids, most over 28 mins long and thousands of views) Ha Ha :)
@@ChorltonBrook 4 years believing in Troll factories? The only trolls I know of are toys.
Наука Гuy так фабрика троллей это же реально как было, так и осталось, только за это время бюджет подтянули и англоязычных пользователей подвалило, которые и на ютубе, и на quora пишут свои помои :)
Keep fighting ukraine. Victory to ukraine from your friend in the philippines
They can't win cuz there's no such a country and such nationality. Ukrainians were invented by Austrians 150 years ago. They are Russians who try not to be Russian. As a result - they are nobody
Filipinos have nothing to do with it.
i dont like USA but IMO Russia is worse...
A lot worse . At least you can say how you feel about the USA but in Russia if you try to criticize they'll either arrest or kill you.
Maybe both.
TheHawkeye0725 It's not North Korea... So brainwashed....
Ok go to Russia and talk shit about them. Let me know how that works out for ya.
TheHawkeye0725 I've been to Russia and trust me, it's how they made you think is...
You can say whatever the fuck you want and you wont get killed lol.. Beautiful women, landscape and country in which the police don't unholster and shoot you for having a different skin tone or if you're holding a BB gun...
autoalanamis True
A very well done piece of work VICE News....Stay safe, and keep up the good work.
I cant help you but i want . But atleast i can tell you ukrainian warriors you my hero.
Good work vice. This series has been pretty unbiased.
5:47
Ukraine: Spends billions building a new airport terminal, gets thanked by having it destroyed.
Airport is a key point, because in case it is in full controll of Ukranian army they might have a possibility for fast troops and armour transportation. So it is pretty clear why DNR was trying hard to get it back or destroy.
@@kreslokkd Russian regular and irregular armed forces and their proxies are fighting a war against Ukraine not „DNR and LNR”. This has been proven definitively by many different independent journalists including VICE NEWS. Especially Simon Ostrovski did one of the best war reporting of events on Maidan and later of the invasion and occupation of Crimea and parts of Donbas.
„Russian Roulet: the invasion of Ukraine”, and „Selfie soldiers”. Russian forces are in Ukraine and are responsible for invading the country. Putin is a f….g lies and his regime is responsable for everything you see on screen because he thinks that he should decide what happens to Ukraine not the Ukrainian people. FYI Russians that do not actively and openly oppose Russian action in Ukraine are enemies of Ukraine. Period.
@@orestmakar8562 bruh, did I tell anything that is against of what you said? And it's pretty obvious why Russia is defending these regions. Ukraine is not mononational and there are regions where you can be beaten if you speak ukranian language. There are western regions, where a lot of Polish and Hungarian people live, there are Eastern regions and regions like Odessa, where Russian people live, Odessa was a Soviet capital of Jewish people. There is actually not a lot of regions, where "real" Ukrainians live. And the first presidents of Ukraine postulated that every nationality will be treated evenly, there will be no actions against speaking Russian, you can Google these promises that were made when the Ukraine just became independent. But when these promises are being forgotten and the government basically tries to nationalise every aspect of life, removing Russian language, making nazis national heroes, forbidding to celebrate any Russian-related holidays and so on, even nationalising Church, it is no surprise that historically Russian populated regions will rebell against these. And it is no surprise that they were supported by Russia, because, as we say here, "своих не бросают", "we don't leave our guys behind". We basically tried to save Russian and friendly to Russian people in every local conflict possible, so it was no surprise that it will happen again. It is historically one of the main lines of Russian geopolitics, since the Russian Empire and "pan slavic idea". One of the last were balkans conflict, where we had to deploy troops to prevent genocide. And you can see that in each of these cases the destructive force was supported be Nato or its friends.
@@kreslokkd where are you from?
@@carlruppert7324 Russia
I was not expecting the right sector members to wave around the flag of Nestor Makhno's anarchist 'Black Army" 9:25.
They can wave all types of rug no difference for that bastards
Some members are Anarchists, they joined Right Sector because to protect Ukraine and the group takes influence from Nestor Makhno and his ideology of Anarchism.
some Ukrainians use Makhnovist symbolism because they consider him to be a Ukrainian revolutionary along with people like Petliura, or the war criminal Bandera.
Nobody cares who you are. They just defending their land. There are even some LGBT-people, but still: nobody cares!
@@d.a.9870 STFU
Thanks for letting us know what really is going on VICE!
"Oh we don't have running water but the WiFi is great!"
"It's better, calmer now"
*MORTAR FIRE IN BACKGROUND*
excellent reporting here. many thanks
Ukrainian soldiers say we did not shoot well at 0:48 right at home the mountain of empty boxes from large-caliber shells! WTF! Deceitful creature!
6:40 к нам приходит ответный огонь! Проговорился шароварный)))))))
Лаптеногий, вернись в болото)
@@basurman874 тебе там одному скучно?)
Пол РФ. Аллах і Китай ....хахаха.
Путин хуло
@@user-um8fy2dt8z, "Кто так обзывается тот сам так называется" В. В. Путин."
Back when vice was worth my time
Agreed. Now it's not worth a pinch of dogshit.
Ok nazi
11:31, guy literally have nazi symbols on his helmet.
@@roughbushes2437 Just google Odin's rune. Literally a nazi symbol used in ww2
2:33 "It's better, calmer now" 2 seconds later... *BANG BANG BANG BANG*
That Dedushka guy looks like a slavic Tim Curry.
"who keeps breaking the ceasefire?"
Both sides. The front-lines in some areas are only a couple hundred meters apart. If you go out to do a bit of scouting, you can get shot at because the other side sees it as an advance. Considering the relative unprofessional quality of soldiers (Volunteers and Conscripts) any one of them can get drunk are fire off a few rounds and start a fire-fight. A poorly-trained soldier could mean to return fire in against one group, and hit a nearby battalion. Hell, at that close distance you can trade fire without even leaving your positions. Since anything can trigger a shot, fire can be traded back for weeks with both sides thinking they're only retaliating. Not to mention there are people on both sides who want the cease-fire to fail.
Russian regular and irregular soldiers and their proxies are braking the ceasefire. They fire artillery located amongst living quarter because they know that There will be a response to destroy enemy firing positions. There Russian criminals want people to die so they can use them as propaganda.
Ancient aliens broke the cease fire
Some ancient astronaut theorists suggest, you’re correct
good journalism refreshing ....
Спасибо Вайс за хронику, благодаря вам мы ЭТО всегда будем помнить!
nice to see my tax dollars pay for the right sector's gear.
Good work, VICE. Thank you.
get real those soldiers saying they are abiding by the Minsk agreement. both sides are firing its a war
"people live here" :(
@7:17"We've certainly heard, probably more outgoing fire than incoming."
Vice reporting at it's best.
Right now update? I bet both already upgrade or update soldiers extra but due conv-19 how respond?
any more vids out there with this squad?
God bless Ukraine Georgia is with you brothers
and to the western trools i dedicate this.
7:12
"although the Ukrainians claim they are sticking to their rules of engagement, only firing when they are fired upon, to be honest we have certainly heard probably more outgoing fire then incoming"
and this is from Vice news which was unbiased against the rebels in the past.
And why shouldn't they? It's their Land.
Duarte Simões it’s the other people land too, vice has a video out which civilians showed their documents to prove they live there.
Great reporting
6:40 - когда к нам приходит Ответный огонь , оговорка по фрейду у парня случилась
@hillock65 "Dont worry its too high up.." I was like, g'damn man..
Why show the position of Ukrainian soldiers?
Why only shows batalyony volunteer, because they at the front is very small compared with the regular army in Ukraine?
awesome reporting
6:20 what is up with the noose?
12:33 dont be afraid, its too high up , 10 or 15 meters :D
I thought I was the only one who found that to be odd. I'm surprised how he is even able to sit with those balls. Hahaha
Love the bullet strikes on the windshield
Thank you for risking your lives to bring us a view if whats going on
Looks like they might be using a form of flachette form of shelling given the devree looks like it would be held together with a bolt that falls out once fired and the pices scatter
Very simple give full rights to Russian people in Ukraine and there will be no war stay Neutral like Ireland no war will come
Yeah that's very simple lol NO!
Ireland had many problems and still does.
I think your title may be wrong. Ukraine was attacked and Russian backed separatists broke the ceasefire not Ukraine 🇺🇦
Where is part 3???
THAT GUYS WINDSHIELD 🤣
The best soldiers are those who actually experience war/fight. Go Ukraine u can do it. Salute from the Philippines.
Fiona Alina You filipinos have nothing to do with it.
@@rujanshrestha6004 dude thats racist.
"we are not returning fire" YEAH RIGHT :D
0:04 LMAO OG as fk. Didn't even flinch, "dont be afraid it's too high." (Talking about missle)
2.42 thats outgoing fire . and 4.15 you just stated heavy outgoing fire
He said " they have heard more outgoing fire than incoming fire". Just think about that...
Is it any suprise the ceasefire isn't working? how many of those have they had now lol?
Why can't we be friends...
When you have British helmets, US ACU camo hat, and the Germany Flaktarn. I am sure Ukraine is more E.U than the E.u HAHAHA
I wonder why the ukranian soldiers are talking in russain
***** I thought they don't like the russian language since the war in their own country
TheAsdasy Still Putin says his war is to protect Russian speakers in Ukraine. Go figure!
TheAsdasy Russian is spoken widely in Ukraine. Many Ukrainians are bilingual and can switch back and forth without issue. That is why the "protect Russian language" line from Russia is just one of the many lies they spout.
Snagabott Why do they hate everything russian but are speaking russian? Not only that but ukropian is the only official language. Canada has a dual language, belgium, finland, dutch, etc.
TheAsdasy There are at least 2 large nations in Ukraine that has different languages and traditions - little west part that speaks Ukrainian - really they are poor, rural people that don't have any power, they act as their tv and church says - most of young soldiers comes from there. The second one is a mix of Russians, Jews(statistics says it's 2 % of them - but it's a lie - it was more than 50% in all Ukrainian cities in 1922, it couldn't change so significantly even after WW2), Polish and other ethnics people. All of them speak mostly Russian. Officers and old soldiers speak Russian.
Poor Ukraine :(
Poor civilians both sides have killed civilians
@@Wicked-hx7yg because off russia
äggakakan because of Both the west & Russia
hey you with the blu body armor. do you thing that thing will stop a incoming rifle round? maybee a pistol round for rifles you need level 4 plate!
Great , dedushka was very smart , nice documentary
@4:15 details their current position on the battlefield to the entire world. I wonder if the Russian / Ukrainian Military view these videos? I'm not sure letting VICE document the conditions of fighting positions, equipment, and the faces (IDs) of military personnel is a good idea.
Stay strong Ukrainian heroes! With your courage, the Russians will soon be dead and peace shall once again be present throughout the land! STAY STRONG!
Lol
Ukrainian military turned guns on its people at Donetsk .. May they die slowly. Glory to Russia and the people of Crimea, from American.
To hell with ukronazii for killing donetsk innocent people
To hell with ukronazii for killing donetsk innocent people
Lol
Kudos for the reporter
4:00
so in part one when the reporter was visiting DNR and there was shots firing on them.
i think if this was a return fire and the DNR were the ones who fired from the volvo base then i think the reporter would noticed this , right? but the reporter didnt say that DNR are the one who fired first.
so i think its pretty clear who lied here.
also i see what looks like a tank under the bridge @ 3:05 , which according to the minsk agreement should be there.
Artillery shouldn’t been there but hey they have already violated over 12 agreements lol
this is gonna last for years. In a few months even Vice will loose interest in this item, as the major channels have already done a few months ago. Before the situation will get solved (probably through some kind of diplomatic intervention), we will be a few years later, Ukraine might fall apart into two seperate countries and the economy will take an even harder hit. That being said, the west of Ukraine is actually very quiet and completely peaceful, so it's not all bad. However, many people have and still will die. It's a shame.
You a prophet
”We are not Returning Fire” *Fires Mortar at a civil house near Airport*
I think there's somebody sittin in the middle and firing on both sides...
3:55 “they use artillery that’s heavier than ours”
An apparent civilian uprising had heavier artillery
The Ukrainian army was made up of people from all Ukraine including Donbass. When the 2014 coup took place the army split up and took sides. The pro Russian side and Pro Europe side.
Good reporting Henry. Both Parts 1 & 2 well done.You and Simon are about the only 2 journalists giving western viewers in depth front line reporting.
Опять как то однобоко. Где же работа журналиста показывающая все как есть с обоих сторон. Даже смешно когда на 48й секунде журналист проходит возле огроменной кучи в пару вагонов пустых ящиков из под снарядов в Песках и потом показывают каких то ребят которые говорят, да мы ни разу не стреляли.. это все они, а мы бедные беленькие овечки. Или правосеков показывает с офигенно мирными инициативами.. "ну это.. мира не будет пока мы там всех под себя не положим... и что их там не устраивает не понятно"... а потом вообще про ядерную войну заговорил какой то маргинал. Что мешает журналисту поехать на позиции с другой стороны фронта и снять ту самую "регулярную армию" которая не может победить кучку фанатиков.. брееед... Очень испортился канал. Очень однобоко
Дмитрий Швец С позиций террористических бандформирований уже показывали. Погуглите. Ну а если просто не нравится интервью с украинскими солдатами, то это ваши личные проблемы.
Den Mok К чему тут погуглите? Это всё должно быть в одном видео, от одного репортёра, а не 25 разных видео. Только так можно более менее показать настоящую ситуацию.
Den Mok позиции украинских террористов я тут увидел. А видео с ополченцами я нашел. Как хорошо что Украина не знает что такое терроризм, и как плохо что так легко обзывает этим страшным словом своих же сограждан.
Дмитрий Швец Аналогичная ситуация с определением фашизма на той стороне только, о нем и кричат совмещая его с разными словами и понятиями, забывая что действительно является фашизмом. А вот определение террорист я думаю правильно дали, ибо если посмотреть как все начиналось, на ум только это и приходит.
Более смешны заявления людей от государства что у нас приказ не открывать огонь, но мы ответку даем. Ладно сепаратисты, они же маргиналы и наркоманы, напутали там чего и залпанули, но вот мы регулярная украинская армия стреляем получается без приказа? :) получается что либо есть приказ отвечать либо армия Украины неподконтрольна президенту.
как обосрутся "герои" когда действительно российская армия пойдет на них
It's like they are playing conquest on battlefield
What a beautiful new terminal it was, opened in time for the soccer Eurocup. What a waste :-(
I truly love how the western world has just bent over on the situation in Ukraine. Such strong ethos.
Guy doesnt know he looking at a sabo round smh bro the metal dart intact didn't bring up any clues lol
at you may 9:24 right sector soldier is holding flag of Free Teritory Machno anarchist uprsing that has happend during Russian civil war.
Go live Ukraine! Much love from Miami, Florida.
4 years later but thank you!
We still kicking
We need Simon there again. His language fluency more than justifies his presence there.
more outgoing than incoming fire? no way man.
what happened to your transport truck?
Long Live, Dedushka!
It is nice to see whats going on, and present news,
My prayers for a russian retreat.
This is a stupied question but which side is the worse left or right?
Ukrainians perfectly fluent in Russian
I had an ukrainian girlfriend that was fluid in russian and ukrainian.
under communist rule all soviet republics had their own native language but also russian. You can hear differences in accent though. people from Armenia, kazachstan, Ukraine, the baltics and many more, who lived in the former soviet Union can still speak russian . in Ukraine russian is very much spoken. in the west of Ukraine you hear more ukrainian, but from kiev to the east russian is more common.
Just because Americans barely have the mental capacity to speak one language doesnt mean normal people cant speak multiple languages.
@@Kilroy1324 whatever Ukrainian is basically a russian dialect while Americans have to learn Spanish and French which are very different from English