MG ZS EV: The Cheapest Electric SUV Of Them All!
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- čas přidán 3. 07. 2024
- With the backing of Chinese automotive behemoth SAIC, the MG brand has transformed itself in recent years, and EVs have been absolutely central to that transformation. Now, the brand has given its most popular EV, the ZS, a facelift, and turned it from a car you buy purely for its affordability to one that makes some of its pricier rivals look a bit silly. Jack takes a thorough look around the updated ZS: very possibly the best value EV on sale today.
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Timestamps:
0:00 Cheapest electric SUV
1:53 Fully Charged LIVE
2:20 MG backstory
4:27 Slight correction
5:03 Facelift
5:56 Quite nice inside
7:07 Lagging behind
7:31 Standard vs trophy edition
8:23 Charge port move
9:00 Out on the road
10:43 Bigger battery & range
11:26 Price
13:12 Jack backseat test
13:57 Boot shot
14:22 Couple of complaints
16:04 Concluding thoughts
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Is this the best value EV on sale today? Tell us what you think below....
Why not a single word about the little inconvenient fact that the Chinese 'parent' company of MG is STATE OWNED?... So when buying this car you're literally paying the CHINESE MILITARY DICTATORSHIP!... Hong Kong or the tennis player Peng Shuai anyone?...
@@angela1984a This is true of about 100% of all new vehicles at some level.
@@samwinstanley6820 Hyundai? Where are their human rights issues?
@@angela1984a Can I just politely ask how you made this comment?
The little inconvenient fact that if you used an electronic device, it will be wholly or partly made in China. You paid for it, therefore you support a military dictatorship in a really direct way.
Have you pondered as to why so much of the products we all buy (clothes, shoes, hats, cutlery, Covid tests, computers, phones, tablets, routers, servers that CZcams is hosted on, the list is endless) are made in China?
Did the Chinese come to the USA and Europe 30 years ago and steal our factories at night?
Or did very rich powerful people the USA and Europe take our once massive manufacturing base away to China because they could make more money by paying workers much less.
Worth considering the bigger long term picture.
We need to make things here, that is the bottom line.
I drive the first version and it's brilliant. Everyone who gets in it says how nice it is (I admit from the outside it is not a beauty). Range is low but you just adapt and it hardly bothers me at all now. As a first ev for a family it's great. Sorry about supporting communism thing but supporting capilists getting richer costs too much...
Videography on this channel is on the next level, I'm impressed every time and I've watching it for a couple of years now.
agreed, it is really good, and i work with video editting software.
Agreed, I didn’t take to Jack when he first arrived at FC (how could a youngster know anything about cars?), but seeing him in action at FCL and hearing his well researched thoughts on a car, natural presentation style, and opinions on an EV I know very well, confirms I was wrong to doubt, and I now hang on his every word (eg his is the best explanation of who MG is), thanks for another great review and for any prospective MG EV owners, we’d welcome you all along to the FB group where Melisa Briggs and team do an excellent role at keeping us on topic (and created some really useful guides for all the need-to-know questions any new owner might have, irrespective of it being your first or forth EV - yes it’s that good many experienced EV early adopters are currently driving a ZS or MG5).
Except half silent bob at the end...
Almost as good as top gear but that's next level stuff
Thanks Jack!!! We are making the leap...from a 2010 automatic diesel guzzler to this. On order and so glad to hear your review.
Welcome to the EV revolution, you'll never want to go back!
When will they deliver ?
Here they have a preliminary estimated delivery time of Q3 2022 and this is only for people ordering it NOW.
Gone from a turbocharged auto 4x4 to the MG ZS EV and do not regret it at all. Even with the huge energy price increases, it is still much less to run. I cannot get over how quiet it is! My mindset has changed dramatically, and now I just relax...
"I seriously hope that the Toyotas and
the Hondas and the Fords of this world the brands that we traditionally buy our cheap cars from are looking at this and crapping themselves. Because they should be." What a great concluding line, I'm rooting for these companies who have the wisdom to sense opportunity on the horizon and just viciously grab onto it with both hands. That is initiative and boldness that deserves to be rewarded.
Ford I think will be getting there before Toyota and Honda. Japanese politics are standing in the way of progress on that front.
🤣🤣🤣
While Tesla and the new products from HMG are eating the lunch of premium brands, MG and other Chinese brands will be taking lumps out of the lazy, complacent Toyota, Honda, Ford and the whingeing comments from Mr. Tavares yesterday suggest that Stellantis will provide the desert. The re-worked MG5 should be interesting.
I am sure those Japanese and German manufacture have the skill and technology to make the EV but those are lack of capabilities and capacity to make the battery. 20 years ago, we won’t imagine Nokia, Motorola Erickson would lose their mobile phone market. In 10 years time, then automobile market may be a big shuffle
@@wongcna Hand held devices are a bit of a difference to 1.5 ton monsters. But you are right, battery and software looks like the hurdle to overcome. I believe MG will not be the last brand to change hands to a Chinese cop.
Jack, you’re so right. The MG 5 is the elephant in the room. It’s better in every way apart from range (but we’ll see what the new one has). I have the original, entry level 5 and it’s brilliant. Congrats to MG for making it possible for normal folk to go electric. You also forgot that it has a 7 ( yes 7) year warranty included at that price. Bargain.
8years or 100,000 miles on every ev sold in the U.S. for warranty on the battery&most of them cover the powertrain for that long as well.
What's the big deal about a 7 year warranty? In Cali they require a 10 year 150,000 mile warranty on the battery from manufacturers. 🤔
@@4literv6 that's great... for those in the US. For the rest of us, 7 years is a big deal because it's a lot better than what's being offered elsewhere
@@TheSpudlyMcgudly hey now the us leading on something kinda feels good. 😀
Also makes sense why manufacturers would want to sell in countries with lesser warranty requirements but better overall infastructure support for evs. I don't see the U.S. willingly changing for years yet on evs.
7 year battery warranty is actually a bit less than most other EVs in the UK VW, Nissan, Hyundai and Tesla all offer 8 year battery warranties. Either way, the MG is excellent value for money and has a good quality battery made by CATL which also makes batteries for Hyundai, Honda, BMW, Daimler AG, Tesla, Toyota, Volkswagen, and Volvo.
but its not though... it has HALOGEN headlights!! Halogen on a modern electric car... ridiculous
I have the highest regard for MG. They have quietly just got on with introducing these EVs to the UK market, incrementally improving everything and still at a very reasonable price for an EV. Very impressive.
Amen!
But Chinese 😔
Why can't the west make better cars? 😓
Manufacturing powerhouse vs warmonger. Go figure.
@@ArpanMukhopadhyay93 good question, this shows how important Fully Charged has its feet on China as well to report the truth right from the source. Media are only interested in how to demonise China.
@@Jeffreyuk I don't think one can demonize the demon. But I also admire the products this demon makes.
A lot of people say the quality isn’t as good as some other brands. The materials might be cheaper but only car reviewers scratch the materials, owners just look at it. Having been a VW owner for 30 years the build quality is similar if not better than our mark 7 Golf.
@Michael G My thoughts exactly, we've owned our current car for 10 years & I can't remember ever pinching the console to get a feel of it.
I do find car reviewers talk about "quality" as if that means how nice the interior is. To me quality is how quality the important parts of the car are: drive train, trans etc. But car reviewers spend their lives driving around in brand new press cars so they don't give that a second thought
@@1one2two3threetwoone First let me say that I think that perceived quality is a highly personal thing. I do look at some of the things being mentioned by reviewers such as soft touch vs scratchy plastics. The problem I have with many EV's is that to compensate the higher costs of making EV's - complex to say where it really comes from - is that having a high price means our quality expectations are higher. I don't expect for quality interiors in a Dacia selling for less than €20.000 but I do expect better quality in an ID4 that sells with a starting price of almost €40.000. Drive train is a given that has to be high quality for such a brand.
I work with these mg’s every day and build quality really isn’t good. Cloth on the seats usually goes very saggy after a year of use & a few petrol ones have had engine failure from new. And stay away from black ones, the black paint scratches so much easier than black paint on other car brands. Optional arm rest is also very wobbly and flimsy.
@@scottautoprep94 What years are those MGs? I gather that the early ones (circa 2007) are really crappy.
The review quality here is top notch. Entertaining and informative. Such a treat to watch.
Jack is a Really good Host. Glad to See him doing more Reviews.
Bought the Gen1 model and love it. Don’t forget the 7 year warranty on motor and batteries. This new version is a no brainer. Looked at Enyaq with same spec more or less - 46k!
Is your autonomy range near those 260 miles?
I like Jack and all the team, your heart is in the right place for sure. But isn't it really 'less expensive', rather than 'cheap'. The manufacturers, "Could try harder?"
Totally agree....It might be cheaper than the other brands, and it might even be the cheapest EV SUV, but its not "cheap"...
The whole car costs less than the battery pack in other cars. That is the definition of cheap in EV terms.
@@JohnDoe-bd5sz is cheap not like beauty. In the eye of the beholder.
@@JohnDoe-bd5sz Note that EDF GoElectric 35 tariff is currently 4.5p/kWh which equates to around £0.013 per mile for this vehicle.
Will soon eat into the 'excessive' cost given that petrol prices are around £0.15 per mile for a ICE equivalent (40mpg).
@@JohnDoe-bd5sz I hear what you are saying, but 'cheap' has its consequences too, such as modern slavery being involved somewhere in the supply chain. Out of sight perhaps, and probably a long way away, but that can be the sad reality.
Excellent review👍 Jack is getting better and better... This car is maybe not the most inspiring design but it can brag about something very important: Safety. The old version got 5 (five!) stars in the Euro NCAP test. Quite impressive when brand new Stellantis cars only reached 4 stars.
This dudes got talent ! Best automotive journalist since grand tour.
He certainly is
No he's not!
@@alexanderfarquhar2712 oh yes he is!
Mat Watson?
Very, very professional review. You keep getting better
Great work Jack and team, ps Editor, I like the up flying leaves 👍
The best thing about this amazing value MG is that it's going to push down the prices of the 2nd hand electric MGs and that's what I need! Cheap brand new electric cars make 2nd hand electric cars even cheaper!
(And no, a £7500 ten year old Nissan Leaf on Autotrader with 60 miles of winter ranger is not in the slightest bit attractive)
Chademo. Shudder.
That all depends on availability of new as well though 😉
@@davidspencer7254 Yeah, i know a few dealers and they simply refuse to take a used leaf as part of the deal, when selling a new car.
ChaDeMo chargers are getting harder and harder to find, no new ones are installed and the old ones disappear when they upgrade the charging places.
@@JohnDoe-bd5sz Not *quite* correct John. Gridserve are installing some Chademo chargers at their new charging hubs..... I believe an adaptor is available, although I have ni oidea where from. I don't own a Leaf.
Great honest and fair review and thats coming from a MKI MG ZS EV owner. Keep up the great work Jack!!
Fantastic review. Like this guy and his approach toward the evolving BEV space. Keep it coming, and maybe do an update on the Chevy Bolt/EUV for historical context.
This and the last few video reviews Jack has done have been very good 👍
oh, I do like the rising leaves.. lovely little touch that! oh yeah. solid review as always. Thanks, Jack and Crew!
Most people don't need a big SUV with that range and £28k it’s too much. What we need, is sth like Dacia Spring with the price of 11k from the one of the last episodes.
EXACTLY RIGHT, SOMEONE WITH A BRAIN AT LAST.
spring doesn't have enough range, performance or room for a family of 5 that take regular-ish trips up the motorway...
@@iainansell5930 it will still sell like hot cakes
@@mrgraham9007 The spring is an important car.
It sets a new lower bar, for how cheap an EV can be made.
It is a lot cheaper than, say a peugeot 208, and while the peugeot probably has more tech, range and so on, that will not matter to those, where the range and so on is adequate.
I really hope the Spring will sell well, because that will force the other manufacturers to find a way to lower the prices or they will not be able to sell their cars.
What we need is small affordable electric cars, that force the prices of legacy makers cars to go down, this will affect the prices of the whole range of sizes of cars.
@@JohnDoe-bd5sz I totally agree with you. It's a car for the people at last. I know it will sell extremely well.
Awesome review of the MG EZS Jack! MG is still headquartered in London and registered under SAIC UK, and although the car is manufactured in China, SAIC UK still operates the Longbridge Plant which is the whole R&D centre for the MG brand, so it’s roots are still firmly seated here in Britain, designed and researched and developed by British people and built in China, so it is still very much a British brand but owned by a Chinese company.
In India, MG is selling rebadged Baojun cars 😐
Actually SAIC axed the R&D centre in Longbridge in June 2019. There’s nothing at Longbridge anymore except parts warehousing and some offices. These are engineered in China. Are you thinking of the design centre in London?
Fully agreed, similar as Volvo electric, built by Greely China
I love Robert's little scared noise when he was putting the charge flap down. Classic.
MG listened to the owners groups who gave them a list of issues, they fixed 90% of the issues, just not those that did not work with the chassis. The last FCS review treated it as a funny little Chinese EV , this one says 'bargain' 'solid option' and 'mighty impressive' . Yes it is.... and the new infotainment system is way better than portrayed. Good review.
Another fantastic review, Jack.
i think it's good that chinese manufacturers are creating competition and driving prices down, but there are so many bloody electric SUVs on the market. we don't need yet another electric SUV. what we need is an electric NORMAL car at a sensible £15k price point that will allow NORMAL people to make the switch to electric.
Yes. I bought the original MG ZS EV in Australia because it was a good car and the most affordable. If I had the choice between the original one at the original price and the new one at the higher price, I would still buy the original. It may be MG will keep the price down with the shorter-range version by omitting the sun roof but I think it would be a pity for MG to move its pricing up into the next level. For me, the biggest advantage with the new model is the 360 degree parking sensors.
The screen is better than many very expensive cars and it will get better with updates, that only few very expensive cars may have.
Great review. Very true about the infotainment lag - really dire for the heating controls in particular!
What a fantastic, balanced, honest review - thank you!
They are a huge hit out in New Zealand, up till the MG it had been 2nd hand Leafs from Japan..
Nice review. I’ve been looking at this vehicle for a while and always hesitated due to the range. At 260ish miles I might finally be sold.
Great presentation as always. Love Fully Charged!
Very fair review. Having looked at all the family sized EVs, including the Model 3, this is the one I’ve ordered in Trophy spec. It’s not the best EV, that is probably the Model 3, but for me it was the best package. I agree with all the pros and cons, but it is not £5 to £14k worse than the competitors, and it’s a better built than some (Peugeot and VW, I’m looking at you). Now just got to wait until March/April……….
This is built better than VW?
@@dzhiurgis oh yes. I was really disappointed with the VW, especially as the one with a competitive range was about £10k more. For £10k I can cope with the compromises, but frankly there aren’t many.
@@dzhiurgis the ID.3 build quality and materials are woeful!
Yeah it's a shock for people to realise the VW ID.3 is awful in quality. Dirt cheap build but the brand makes it stand out.
Adding range through extra cells only gets costly when the brands make it so. In China, cells are $80/kWh. And that's the ones Tesla buys because they're better than theirs. So the ZS EV got upgraded by about GBP 2K worth of cells.
The generally accepted price for price parity with combustion vehicles is $100/ kWh (at pack level, not cell level) so I’m still wondering when price parity will happen.
@@Alrukitaf I suspect, if you took lifetime ownership costs into consideration (i.e. fuel, insurance, maintenance), we'd be surprisingly close to price parity at this end of the market. Not so much with the "traditional" brands - VW, Pug, etc.
Brilliant honest great review jack.
Great review 👍
I have one on order in the Trophy guise. I'll be coming from a BMW i3 which is a hoot to drive but is a pain in the you know what for a family of 4 with a dog. Brilliant review - thanks!
It is early days. For compact SUV lovers this is an entry point. Had a look at its cooling loop. Good layout for cooler countries. For me I would wait for the next generation.
MG is still British, so is MINI (BMW owns it) and Jaguar Land Rover (TATA Motors owns it). Just because the owner is from another country, the values and principle of the brand will and still revolves around where it came from. In this case, MG, MINI and Jaguar Land Rover are still British! Just like Alfa Romeo and Fiat is still Italian despite being owned by Stellantis! The same case applies to Volvo, it is still a Swedish pride despite being owned by Geely! What we need to do, is appreciate companies such as SAIC and Geely that helps these brands to thrive and still exist to serve people around the world! Great Job to all these brands' leadership and A BIG THANK YOU to SAIC, GEELY, Stellantis, BMW and TATA Motors for giving these ICONS chance to survive. Thank you for the great and detailed review, Jack. 👏👏👏
Thankyou Jack for a very good MG ZS EV review. This has to be one of the best reviews I've seen and is THE go-to review of the ZS EV.
Totally agree on the regen mode being able to bring you to a halt. VW ID.3 has the same problem and I can only hope this gets fixed in a future software update. There is no excuse for a soft break pedal from a company making millions of cars!
And also the lack of of regen braking when on ACC, that is unacceptable for a new EV in 2021.
There isn’t a problem with regen on mg zs mki or mkii but as Jack sighted an issue I suspect the two reason regen is restricted was with that the battery was cold and or the bsttery was full. The new mg zs EV has the battery heater update so good addition for rapid charging on cold days but remember regen is affect if battery is full / above 95% or battery is cold otherwise regen 3 will bring you to one pedal driving.
Thanks for another great review, Jack. Good to see a manufacturer that appears to listen to the end users.
Great review!
Another great review by Jack.
Thanks Jack, another informative and engaging review. I think we'll wait for the MG5 facelift, as I'm not that bothered about the SUV format, but I do like a decent estate car!
You and me both good sir!
@@JackScarlett1 Can I just add that you are a brilliant addition to the Fully Charged team. Well done 👏
I’ve an MG5, and you’re correct. It’s faster, cheaper and drives better. More space too. I drove them both and the 5 won easily. I love it.
@@slug781 Excellent. So, I just need to hang on for the facelift long range. Did you buy or lease?
@@kmoorman2008 I bought on PCP. The used car market is so good right now that I had a couple of grand equity in my crappy Dacia duster. The duster was fine but soooo basic. Only £210 a month though which is why I bought it, but pootling around town, seeing clients and doing school runs saw me putting £30 a week in petrol in the tank. That’s £120 a month. The MG is £251 and I’m saving on the tax too. Similar electricity do cover the same miles, charged at home in my ev tariff costs about £15 quid a month. Over the year it saves me about a grand and it’s such a better car too. Also, proper grin on your face quick. It urges you to just glide about town at 20-30 miles an hour but bury your right foot and it just takes off. 7.6 seconds to 62. 214 miles in the base version is plenty for my round town motoring and my mum lives 167 miles away. Even now in the freezing cold with the lights, wipers and heating on, I’m getting 180 miles out of it. Brilliant thing.
Maybe it will cost more, but i would love to see them push more range out of that 51kwh battery. I always think the one big factor in making your EV as environmentally friendly as possible, is to get the battery option that offers the greatest range per kwh and get the best-sized battery for your needs.
It is around 70kwh, older one is at 45
Just like to say a big thank you, for including my suggestion of a equivalent mpg comparison 😁
Excellent review Jack😀
A charging test would have been nice. Or at least some data on charging. Else, lovely.
Unfortunately you need Bjorn Nyland to do the detail review, not here
@@gadgetgasspoll2923 Nein nein nein nein!
@@mkkm945 😆 🤣
Is 28000 pounds considered budget? Mindboggling.
When was the last time there was an electric car with the same capacity as this on the same price
@@opmacace523 it doesn't matter. Budget starts around 10 000 with the same aspects.
Until then they are overpriced.
@@P4TRICCS sad to be poor
@@opmacace523 there is a difference between poor and normal salary. Normal salary says what I did...
The special effect used to make the leaves from the ground up while the camera moves to the right… AMAZING… how did you guys do that? By the way love your reviews. Thank you for educating ppl about EVs
Simple reversal of footage. Thanks for your kind words.
Well done Jack.Another good review,I agree regarding estate/wagons,best to wait for the MG5 update.
Happy to see these Chinese-made cars on British roads these days, SAIC EVs are reliable enough to become public taxis in Shanghai, glad to see comments supporting this car. Honestly, if you don't like it, just don't buy it.
Piss off we don’t want your cars
They really aren’t reliable…
@@louisbeerreviews8964 Ooo! Someone had a raw nerve touched.
@@scottautoprep94 Mine is. Try reading all the various owner forums don't take my word for it.
@@VbinniaRadek I work with them every day, loads have problems from new.
The first MG had way too many alarms and bongs but they did an update to fix that. The upgrade made it an actually usable car. They should have known better for this one.
Well done Jack, eloquent as usual
Proper informative review, top work keep it up 👍🏻.
And umm why reverse the footage in the B roll, nice touch to play with my mind !!😂
Just cos it looks cool. I could tell you there is a metaphor in there but it just looks cool and people question it and leads to better engagement.
@@fullychargedshow sadly, saying 'why reverse the footage' is like the loser kid at school who never got the jokes.....!
Now we just need cheap electric SUVs like this in the States!
Still a few year's out likely around 2024-2026. Us is to backwards as usual in ev uptake rate. Despite having the world's leader in evs.
If anyone tries to import them before they can allow the local yocals to catch up, the government will just slap huge tariffs on them.
So by 2025 or so, lucid, rivian, tesla, Ford and gm. Will all be ramped up further with localized battery production well into the hunreds of gwh range. Then it's gonna be game on.
@@4literv6 I agree it just sucks that we lag behind so much, no one I know can afford a Tesla we need cheap EVs
@@xXYourShadowDaniXx I agree but let's be honest here and define cheap evs for me?
Because you can buy several evs now for below what the average new vehicle price is.
And that is without any tax rebates or other incentives factored in.
Plus the average ev is pretty darn loaded with tech&options when compared to a basic ice car.
Another fact when you option up an ice car to a comparable segment ev? It's often nearly already at a similar price point.
Nm the ev over it's life will be cheaper to own from a tco perspective. They compared a base model 3 earlier this year against a Toyota Corolla and found over 5 year's the model 3 came out cheaper to own.
Now who in their right mind i ask you would want to own a corolla over a model 3 honestly? 🤔
This is about the size of a Bolt EUV, which is cheap.
I work in the automotive industry and I've been saying for years that EV's are technically superior and currently more expensive, so they will become the aspirational purchase, so ICE will be embarrassing, as will loud cars. I can see it's starting to happen.
My thoughts exactly. Once I got behind the wheel of the mg5 for the test drive I was blown away by it. Had it a couple of weeks now and it makes it that little bit easier to get out of bed to go to work knowing I get to drive it. I've had lots of cars and driven many more but nothing has put a bigger smile on my face than going ev. Instant torque is a wonderful thing.
Yeah, when I see anyone here in Sweden come riding in a brand new, shiny ICE SUV from RangeRover, BMW, Mercedes etc i just think: "What a complete tool". I mean, if you are gonna spend north of 60-90K$ in 2022 on a new car, why on earth are you basically buying a tractor with lipstick?
I hate loud cars and especially motorcycles.
@@erik.dahlberg That's largely because it's an SUV though, which are hideous. Lots of hideous electric SUVs too, in fact, most of them.
Another great video
"...We are so lucky to have Jack onboard. I mean, ok, he is very tall..." 🤣
Great review, and I think the improvements are very worthwhile, but it would be beneficial for the elderly in particular, if testers would also include 'Access to the driver's seat' my present car for example has a very low roofline making it quite a tricky business entering the car without banging your head ! more of a problem as you get older ! so do you think you could include this aspect in a future tests ? I often here testers mention about difficulty getting into the back if it's tight, but never mention anything about access for the diver !
I think this is a superb review in many ways, well done to Jack and the fully charged crew. I have one issue though. Having test drove this vehicle last week, Jack's comments about the infotainment system are too harsh.The system is way better than the previous version and it's nowhere near as laggy as he made out. It's a beautiful screen and is very responsive. Its no way like a system from the 1500's, far from it. So apart from that the review is spot on.
I agree about the infotainment system too! Looks much better than the one in the current/outgoing model that I have, and I find that still fine lol
Keep the reviews coming.
Videography is next level 🇳🇵
My prediction is that MG will be a top 5 car brand in Europe within 10 years.
Hear hear...
I have just ordered one for delivery in April next year I can’t wait to start my electric journey.I have driven both versions of this car the new one is light years ahead of the outgoing version. I think that this is the benchmark car the rest are going to have to better roll on April
Fantastic review.
Jack, another great and honest review, however I hope that the big crack in the panoramic roof at (8:05) isn't indicative of a structural oversight in the design, otherwise I quite like that MG now it's had the facelift.
My ageing parents live 220 miles away, so any EV decision I make is based first and foremost on range. This car is a very attractive package.
You might have 50 miles range left at 10% battery, but using that last 10% battery state of charge will permanently reduce the maximum range of your battery, so I'm 100% behind them annoying you into charging it. Just charge it overnight at home or at the office and keep it charged. A large portion of the population can do this. If you can't, an EV might not be for you, yet.
Except the last 10% isn’t really the last 10%. The BMS in most cars has a buffer floor which prevents very low state of charge. Dropping below 10% every now and again isn’t going to permanently reduce the capacity.
@@amiddled it is often true in many modern EV's that the SOC indicator does not reflect true capacity. This is because owners rarely understand these things and treat it like an ICE vehicle: charge only when knocking on empty maybe once a week. Similar situation with many modern mobile phones. Some manufacturers even sell the same physical battery with software enforced capacity limitations on the cheaper model. As the more expensive model with full battery availability statistically costs them more in warranty claims.
But it isn't always the case as some manufacturers opt to show true capacity because it makes their batteries and range seem larger, which is a selling point. Also, technically, if you drop below 40% SOC or charge above 80% you permanently reduce battery capacity by some small degree. Even that's an oversimplification.
Ultimately, plug your EV in when you can, and let the BMS work it out, unless you know better for your specific vehicle. There are also features like preconditioning that can increase your range if its plugged in before you use it. Not plugging your EV in until it drops below 10% indicated SOC regularly, by choice, is unnecessarily reckless.
Also only charge as quickly as you need to: Charging the batteries produces heat proportional to the charging rate, and higher temperatures degrade batteries faster. Same applies to mobile phones. Statistically most cars spend most of their time stationary and could be slow charged to 80% SOC for most daily usage without dropping below 40% SOC.
Though I recognise the OEM often doesn't make any of this obvious or clear, and often makes it difficult to know what you're real actual SOC is, or set custom limits.
@@Leo99929 I’m not sure you can say it’s reckless unless you actually know what the lower buffer is. My Ioniq 38kwh manual makes no reference to avoiding doing this, so you have expect that the manufacturers are doing things with the BMS to protect the battery. You might get a little more reduction in capacity over a long period, but there are some many other factors that affect that (e.g. amount of rapid charging (which my manual does actually mention etc)). I say just drive it, and trust that the engineers have done their job - things have moved on a long way since the gen 1 leaf issues.
@Andy Midd On the contrary, assuming that there is a buffer at all, or not knowing what that lower buffer is, means that you don't know what damage you may be doing by deep discharge cycles, which is reckless if you were aware that it could affect battery health/longevity. If you don't know then that's technically not reckless, and just ignorant.
I take your point that if you happen to know what the buffer is for your specific vehicle then it might not be "reckless"... But that oversimplification I was talking about is the kicker: Depth of discharge matters for even current battery technology. Do your own research but the TLDR is: don't discharge it lower than necessary, and don't 100% charge it unless required. 60%-70% might be better than the 40% - 80% that the OEM might have Pareto analysised as the optimal trade off point, if you're lucky:
You buy a vehicle for a range, not a battery size, so if the vehicle requires a larger battery to achieve that range because some of it is hidden in software then the OEM bares the cost and makes less profit per vehicle. A battery is about a third of the cost of an EV so hiding 60% of the capacity would increase vehicle material cost by over 17% for no additional sale value, ultimately reducing profits by around 17%. And margins are often tight enough that would mean they sell at a loss. Thus it's in the OEM's interest to trade off battery longevity against profitability. As long as it lasts the warranty period they don't care. And when batteries start degrading your normal usage takes up an ever increasing portion of the battery capacity, so it falls off a cliff rapidly as you do increasing deep repetitive discharge cycles. So if you want your vehicle to have a long range for many years to come, take personal responsibility for the care of the vehicle, including it's battery.
With a 250 mile range on a lot of modern EV's you really don't need to use a significant proportion of the range per day. Some people think this means they "only need to charge it once a week". I've met people that think that. This is a fundamental misunderstanding of EV technology and a problem that is unnecessarily increasing waste and damaging the planet as it means the range decreases faster than necessary making it scrap, earlier. An advantage of an EV is that every day you get into it you can know that it's starting with a full range which reduces range anxiety over a petrol that you might not know how much is in the tank, or if the local station has fuel/is open or what ever.
OEMs don't act as dictators and nannies forcing the customer to be kind to the product to make it last longer. It's in their interest to let customers ruin the vehicle, as long as it lasts the warranty period, because then they don't bare the cost, probably get paid for replacement parts, and likely for a new vehicle.
I am one of those engineers you're trusting, and I am trying my best to get the company I work for to educate the customer on these things as I understand the economic reasons we struggle to make the battery entirely idiot proof. I also fight for more battery protection systems. Sadly the company makes cars, and seems to have zero interest in educating customers unless there is a significant financial incentive. Things get done in order of what will make the most profit. If they would make more profit completely screwing the customer, they will. every. single. time.
You're right that things are much better now. Gen 1 leaf was an undersized air cooled battery meaning it regularly got hotter than necessary and experienced deeper discharges than it otherwise may have, where as modern batteries are far cheaper, larger, and better cooled. Also the cars themselves are more efficient in terms of Wh/km. But they are a long way from perfect, and how you use them can make the difference between your brand new car having 100 miles range or 200 miles, and halving that in 2 years or 20 years. I've seen it in the warranty claims and complaints. Some customers blame the OEM for not stopping their self destructive behavior, while others get equally angry the protection measures limit the vehicle capability and they could get more out of it.
@@Leo99929 I think you are over thinking it.
fantastic review.
Hey Jack! Just one more addition from the previous ZS EV which is a small but quite a substantial one is a Center armrest at the back.
And the centre headrest too 👍
And airvents for rear seat passengers
Every car he listed in the "sub $30k" category, are ones that won't come to the US. 🤦♀️🤦♀️ I feel like I live in the country going backwards
I agree, I drive a bmw i3s, and although it’s a fine EV it’s very expensive for what you get
I consider i3 is the loyality test from BMW god. You need to be a hard core BMW fan and a tree hugger to ever consider that car. The i4 however, is far more respectable.... I almost put forward a deposit to order one, but found out there is no rebate from the fed in Canada and end up opt to a bargain basement model 3🤣
Thanks for adding +the metric System+.
Excellent review. Good price.
It’s the towing capacity that is the only downer for me. If they had made it a viable option for families who tow super light caravans and trailer tents etc I’d be all over it. But 500kg is just tooo small. 1000kg minimum really.
It's the range that will really suffer with towing, there is a Rivian pickup truck that tower a car on a transporter for 2700 miles across the US. Had to charge every 100 miles.
@@mowtownni4587 A Model X owner said they got ~40% range when towing their caravan.
Describing a £17k rrp (available for around £14k) Chinese car which costs £31k in electric form as “a bargain” is pushing it a bit, the markup on these must be huge…
I would like to see this channel attacking the over inflated price instead of just ignoring the price difference and "inconvenient truth".
Good Review :)
Really interesting video. Could I suggest a comparison video with the Kia Soul Maxx...
Still too expensive, for mere mortals, unless they don't mind being in debt for many years !
BYD yet to come-they could supply all needs-Public service Vehicles, Cars, solar Panels and Battery storage!
The giants: BYD, Chang'an, Geely, SAIC, FAW/Hongqi...Great Wall as well - it has just tipped its toe in the European water with the Ora marque, while the larger chunk of its current portfolio remain absent here. Not to mention NIO, Xpeng, Li and several dozens of minor new EV-exclusive brands, all fiercely competing in the Chinese home market.
@@theolich4384 Yes the Giants will come from China-hope the West do not protect their backwards industry by curbing imports! I think BYD could build a UK/Europe factory for all their ranges!
Very tempting 👍
Amazing journalism, when you put wireless charging mat in the same sentence with an opening panoramic roof, both as a sign of luxury...
XBus by electric ⚡️ brands would be a fun concept to get a review on. It’s power in wheel and modular concept is interesting, and your opinion would be fun to get. Just saying.
Yes! I second the request! I'm truly impressed by that little thing. I hope it gets somewhere and doesn't die along the way.
@@marcosmoralesrodrigo9963 I Believe there are now UK dealerships taking orders for delivery end 2022. Which is amazing as the UK seems to be missing out on loads due to us being RHD.
@@benjamindoran2849 awesome! That's great news! I hope seeing them all over!
I have the MG5, very pleased with it, didnt want an suv its a bit like a brick to look at but i would recommend the MG brand all day. not forgetting the seven year warranty which includes the battery, no brainer.
I love you Jack.I love you fully charged. In a few months, you guys will have 10 millions subs. just wait and see
Ha if only! We love your enthusiasm though
Leaves floating upward at the end of minute 6 😄
13:57 That is not a boot shot! That is a shot of Jack looking in the boot. I want to see it too. And while I'm on about it, please let us see it with the seats folded. Could I get a cooker in there, for example?
Mark mate boot shots don’t get much bootier than that. Come on!
The folded seats don't fold flat, there's a big step. Lots of cars do this, when a little more though re back seat design would make things much better. My Nissan Leaf for instance seem to have a big boot, but as the seats don't fold flat, my smaller Honda Jazz was much better.
Promising, but I'm one of those cheap skates who's never spent more that £4K on a car, it's still very expensive.
Well then clearly you havnt bought a NEW car since 1967. Im broke too, but Im under no illusion that a highway capable new vehicle is going to go on sale for 4k ever.
Used EV's will soon be within your reach. I've seen used Renault Zoe's (similar size to a Fiesta) on sale at £6k....
Great review... Roll on 2022! More electric cars are coming. I'm following Renault (Megan or 5).... The affordable, useable electric car is a reality.
Nice review Jack. One thing to add to reviews is room for kids car seats and boot space for prams. So boring but I need to know!
Why is Bobby talking only to my right ear?
Forgot to dual mono it. Thanks for feedback
I thought my headphones had broken, only had the left ear in :)
Except that its not cheap. Not at all. It’s COMPARATIVELY cheap but that’s it. Its not objectively cheap at all for average commoner. Not everyone wants to take part in this whole lease everything, own nothing and you’ll be happy bollocks. Not everyone is happy to sign up to a liability instead of owning an asset and not everyone wants to be taking loans out for cars and having a mini mortgage to pay before paying the absorbent price for a property now.
Cheap vs expensive is always comparative.
@@jacobrichter And that’s the point. It’s comparatively cheap to the segment as it currently is but it’s not affordable. Going from something completely overpriced to overpriced is not affordable for the masses. It’s progress but still not where it needs to be.
Adorable explained
Hi Jack, thnx for the review. Here in the Netherlands this MG is also a very interesting EV. I do have one question, i am 198cm tall. Would that be a problem?
I've been waiting for this review since I saw a teaser on instagram a couple of weeks ago. It's good that you neither sugar coat or pan the vehicle. Sure I would be looking at an I-Pace if I had the luxury of money, but this is the car that I've been waiting for, in this iteration and it's going to take something special to turn my head. Now I'm off to raid my daughter's piggybank.
Just something to watch out for , i was reading some posts on a couple of Facebook EV groups, owners have had issues with getting Parts after having minor accidents. They said they where waiting months to get any parts as MG didnt have a Parts Centre in Europe, and didnt seem to be prioritizing getting these parts, so one customer mentioned hes off the road 3 months waiting on parts. Would be interested to here any real owners experience for comparison.
Lol at 11:40 in it all of a sudden drives in Almere the Netherlands. In my Neighborhood, did not see that coming. :-)
that part is from the official MG promo video.
Great video, my parents just ordered one. :D
2 things i have to criticize tho: Either i didn't pay attention or you didn't mention the charging capabilities. Also, I'm sure you know by now: The audio at the end is only on the right channel. At first i thought my headphones are broken.