@2017 BMW X3 R Spec eh, I liked the pre facelift version, kinda has a smug look about it. Also the fact that they made a car with such a unique shape that was as cheap as it was is pretty impressive. Like cruising down the highway wind is a joke, you could be in a god damn hurricane and barely feel anything. Also I'm a sucker for 80s/90s wedge designs, so the 4th gen is pretty high up there in terms of my favourite car designs, especially when you count the firebird of the same generation.
The real question is why does that guy have a giant ass Corvette emblem on his z28? and why does the text in the video say "v6 charger with nitro?" O_o
@@biggregsparks8364 I was referring to the later model ls1 corvette, but you are right, he could have put the lt4 out of a similar year corvette in his Camaro
@@bensrestorations5250 the lt1 is a corvette engine. The lt4 is a lt1 with slighty better factory heads and intake, and is rated at 330 HP. These are very rare, and the 1996 grand sport is mainly the only one. Also, us lt1 guys don't swap to a lt4 engine when our lt1's with le2 ported heads for 1300 bucks with cam regularly make 400 to 430 to the rear tires. Thats 480-500 flywheel for 1300 bucks.
Really I'm 120 percent sure I know more than you do, I know what a shelby cobra jet is and I know what a saleen mustang is, I also know the henessey 1000 camaro will woop it's ass, the cobra jet is matched to the copo camaro but since they are nothing but heavily modified non street legal drag racera, I would not count them in. BTW shelby is also not stock, it's modified.
i am a proud owner of both these cars.. 99 mustang gt and 94 z28 camaro. so i know what it feels like being behind the wheel of these amazing pieces of machinery. they both have there pros and cons and the argument of which one is better will never be settled do to the fact that both parties can make vary valid points. we shouldn't argue over which car is better instead lets join and fight against foreign tuners that have modified lawn mower engines..
Dude, a LT1 from a Camaro had 305 bhp, a 5.0/4.6 liter from the same year range as the LT1 only had around 250-270 hp. The LT1 was even underated by the factory, so you can easily awaken the true power potential.
@@ourempires6457 I've actually owned several and currently still do...vette and camaro..You can look up videos all day long with z28 lt1 making less than 300 on the dyno even with small mods....so nahh. Keep playing your video games and don't believe everything you hear.
@@elitepersonality9515 yeah the corvette makes less than 300 too.. it was measured to the crank whereas the camaro’s was measured differently. they both dyno about 230-250 to the wheels stock
I don't feel like arguing anymore, I can just say from my experience, even when I had an LT in my Trans Am I still pulled on every Mustang, and it pushed me back in the seat harder than the 02 GT, now the LS2 thats in it now is just a different story.
I picked a z28 lt1 for a project car and it hasn't let me down yet. I smoked a newer charger and a 98 gt. The only car I've found that had a chance off the line was a little suped up Honda but I still smoked him on the 1/4
I don't think they're allowed to show Fords beating Chevys here on ChevyTube. If they were racing a 1975 Chevy school bus with a 350 2 barrel in it against a Boss 429 Mustang, the Chevy school bus would still win.
The LT1's averaged 275hp in those years. The 96-97 years are 285hp. Torque stayed at 335ft. lbs. through out the LT1's run. And in actuality, the LT1's were underated from the factory. So, the motor was makong way more power than the 275. That year mustang had 260hp and about 300ft. lbs. The cars weighed jyst about the same. The Camaro is obviously the winner stock for stock.
You can still gain grip from a warm vs cold street tire. Like a noticable amount if you know what you're doing. It just doesn't need to get around the 190-200 degrees Fahrenheit that race tires operate at.
@@madmod Not warm enough for the compound to get sticky enough. Also, people do the burnout to clean the tire and get a fresh layer of rubber. It helps if you don't have pebbles all over your tires. You guys have obviously never launched a car before.
@@Psykam my auto non pi 4.6 has been a best of 13.7 @100 on stock gears and street tires. I know how to launch a damn car. I also know that it doesn't do much good to heat a hard compound street tire because the patch it puts down is nothing compared to a true radial regardless of how hot you get it. I won't argue with the cleaning of the tire tho but you really just need to warm them up to get the water off of them(street tires that is)nothing more. Every company who makes radials has their own recommendations for launch prep and only then should you be worrying about heating the tires specifically to the standards of that tire.
those tail lights came in in 96/97 as just a minor refresh. the nose didn't change until 98. the tail lights were updated shortly before they updated the nose.
It's funny how all Mustang owners can do when lose to a GM car is call them Government Motors or cry about the recalls.The first thing a new Camaro owner does is blow the doors off a Mustang.the first thing a new Mustang owner does is start pricing modifications to make their cars fast lol
@@ebkbk9902 If the Mustang is sub par why does it continue to dominate the Camaro in sales? Literally year after year. You don't even see these Camaros in the road anymore because they are all junk.
what i love about this comment is in 2010 the 5th gen camaro ruined the mustang gt 02 camaro same story hell ever the 93 lt1 wrecked the 04 gt now 11 years later this is sorta still true mustang gt made close grounds but the camaro 1le wrecks the gt pp2 zl1 1le eats the gt500 around the track
@@rickgollwitzer5989 why you leave off all the other 99-04 mustangs out? You forget the the 03-04 mustang cobra or the saleen, roush, mach 1, the bullit, these are all faster than just a Gt and would keep up with modern cars this day. These would swallow those previous year camaros your talking a out, thats why they had to stop making camaros cus they couldn’t keep up with the terminator (also known as the hellcat of those days)
@@jamessoria9706 If you supercharged and tuned an LS Camaro, it would make a Terminator look like it was standing still. That's basically what Ford did. Couldn't make a competent engine without a supercharger. Chevy could have beat it if they wanted to, but they couldn't make the Camaro faster than the Corvette. Bad for sales.
And that's why they hate on Chevy! More interchangeable parts and more power! An old buddy/boss who owned a dyno shop years ago was a ford boy. My bolt on 02z I dynoed one day... He said to me " This is bs! Do you know what I have to do to a foxbody or a 4.6 to make this power" 😆 he ended up putting a 5.3 in his foxbody after a year of seeing my car beat poopstangs!
@@rebel9976 It's because the Camaro and Corvette are both very similar in speed, and Chevrolet wants the Corvette to be their money-maker car instead of the Camaro.
@@Byebye_WT not really the lt1 is early 90's and the updated 2v is late 90's i know the 2v came out in 96 but it was a bad upgrade from the 5.0 by the time ford updated their 2v it was to late the ls1 came out
@PS3Justin360 Looks like I was wrong. 1997 was the first year they introduced orange on the tail lights, 1998 was when they came out with the flush head lights.
Beautiful cars. I like the look of late 90s early/mid 2000s. Muscke cars. F body Camaros, firebirds, mustangs, GTOs and the Impala ss. The firebird trans am is my fave. Ppl 30 and up are so blessed to be able to drive when those cars where Hot. Nowadays in my time its the zl1, shelby, and mopar... and even the V series caddy cts but i like the TA.
Video states V6, I dont see any GT stamp or badging and the V8 wouldnt sound like that even with a stock exhaust. Theres no way a V8 mustang couldnt smoke the tires, even being the weaker of the two.
I Love how people say O the top model cobra would stand a chance...hahaha morons....the cobras the Super top trim and just goes to show chevys better cause the z28 isn't even the fastest trim and it compares to cobra...and the cobra needs a supercharger....hahahaha ford fail all day...but i still love both
Didnt need a supercharger? LOL thats why the previous gen Cobra had a recall literally because it was too slow? They absolutely needed a supercharger, without it they were getting shit on by cars like this z28. Imagine if this Camaro was a Ls1 instead of the shitbox Lt1, the Camaro was ten times better than the mustang all the way through the 90's without a doubt. When Ford finally came out with the 4 valve the competition became close again, but no 90's mustang could take out a 90's v8 camaro stock for stock or mod for mod. Simple as that.
Ya i did, because Ford recalled the Cobra for being slower and less powerful than they claimed. That is a 100% relevant fact to this conversation, nothing you said had any relevance at all. Chevy has tons of recalls but are any of them to do with the performance and the speed of their SS or Z28 F body camaros? Nope so fuck off with your random bullshit. Im not even a chevy or ford fan particularly. I personally own a 300zx twin turbo, so i have no bias. But the fact is the the gm f body, especially with the ls1 were far better, both in straight line speed and cornering ability, than any 90's mustang from the factory including Cobras. The Termi NEEDED a supercharger to make the extra power it did, the 4.6 4v modular engine made less power and torque than the Ls1 did in naturally aspirated form (Previous gen Cobras or Mach 1's) so without the 8psi being pushed through the eaton that Cobra would not have made more power than its competitors and that would have been bad for Ford. So it needed it.
+Some Body Actually it was a tsb. I worked for Ford when that happen. We had to upgrade the exaust and intake. Then we flashed the pcm. Got it 1.5 second faster in a 1/4....
@ford4point0 Yea Im not sure what the 03 cobras put out but I thought 470 at the wheels was more than 60 more but idk, but thats what they were saying they were getting with a pulley, tune and exhaust. And I had a 3.8 camaro and that just wasnt enough power for me and now I have a c5 and will hopefully be getting some headers this summer. But most cat back systems go for over 1k new and the straight pipes go for about 7-800 but I got mine used for 310. I also have a set of zo6 ti's too.
@ford4point0 Everyone that I have talked to has hit a glass ceiling at 450-470 and that was with a port and polish. And Im surprised that the Borla exhaust was only 600 but then again I have never looked at exhaust for a mustang but a cat back for my car is about 1,300 and straight pipes like I have are about 800. And I wasnt referring to the rear end more along the lines of the clutch, either way when you reach that hp range things get expensive fast.
lets all hope with the camaro challenger and mustang all back to compete ( nice job ford for never killing of the mustang btw ) that we all will get some awsome cars that our kids will grow up dreaming about like we did the old versions of these cars.
I agree with you! Except, Ford did kill off the Mustang. The Mustang II was really a reskinned Pinto. It was brought back in 1979. The Camaro never rode on a Vega platform :)
james Wong Hey Einstein, You do realize that an SS is a faster car than a Z28 right? Just like a Cobra is faster than a GT. SS=Cobra Z28=GT that's the math. You can say you're sorry now...
If this Camaro was Ls1 it wouldve embarrassed the stang, it was an old shitbox Lt1 what did you expect. If the Camaro was from the same year as the Mustang the Mustang would have no chance in hell at sticking with him. And also they are both direct competitors in the domestic V8 pony car market, size of the engine isnt an excuse. These cars are made to compete against eachother, Chevy's f body camaro was simply better than the mustang. And as this proves, both the Lt1 as well as the Ls1 are far superior motors to the 2v 4.6 v8 found in those stangs. Not cuz of engine size, because the 2v just sucked dick
just curious but have you had a chance to race one of the new 5.0 gts your talkin bout? Try one out if u get lined up with one. I got a chance once and started pulling on him and he let off. At the line I thought he might get me but after he took off it it kinda let me down. It seemed to be stock but I expected more for the numbers they claim
yea I heard nice stang a couple times when I owned mine. The camaro has been kinda different...phone calls at work from people trying to buy it. I went to a car lot one time and got talking with the guy about work. He asked where I worked and asked who drove the camaro and offered trading around a 98 vette for it. A cop from a nearby city even liked it and wanted to race it in the new charger. A little different than stopping at a gas station and a teenager checking it out
@DudewithdaShades Which is why the '84 z28 was titled the best handling car made in America. The thing could do .92g 26 years ago. They're made for handling every bit as much as drag racing.
As a guy who owned both a 1989 LX 5.0 and a 2003 GT 4.6 I already knew how this race was going to end. Those 4.6 are reliable decent engines but they just don't have what it takes to run with Camaros or Trans Ams.
@99stangsixxer You are definitely correct. That LT1 has a Corvette badge on the rear. I would guess the owner put it there as a tribute to the fact that the Z28 has a Corvette engine.
@ford4point0 I never said it wasnt easy to get power out of them but 500 with only 1,500 is not going to happen. You need a ported and polished blower along with several other things. And you can get 8psi on a stock ls1, and the same things that you say a lst needs the cobra is going to need too. and you are right the blower is going to cost a lot more than 3 k its going to be closer to 7k( well thats a kit) but you will have everything but the tune.
@99stangsixxer That is a corvette symbol on the back but that camaro is an lt1 which means that it has the corvette engine in it, but they probably did that to make their car look cool because that is not standard
I'll try to find some articles for you, I'll even scan them if I have to. The articles I'm speaking of were from 2001. Yes a 98 SS runs 13.5, but every year after until 02 they increased in power. 01-02 cars had Z06 intake and a couple other goodies if you opted for the full SLP package. There's no official word yet on HP ratings on the new SS. At least the mags I have state the Z28 will be in the 400 range and the SS closer to 500. But no use debating on a car that doesn't exist yet right?
@mattbhill You do realize that 450rwhp is only like 60hp more than stock for cobras right? So if theyre stuck at that, i can only guess they dont have a clue what theyre doing. And the clutch goes both ways, they both have to be upgraded. And 1300 for catback??? Damn what do you drive? Ive got a z28 and i got a gmmg catback for under 500 bucks.
Seems about right. I had an 01 GT auto with UD pullies, intake, tb, exhaust,suspension,DR's, 373 gears, and pro tune. I raced my buddies 97 Camaro SS auto bone stock and I beat him by maybe half a car. It was basically dead even untill 70mph, I slowly started pulling.
Mustangs were really meant for top end power, lt1s were always about low end pulling, wich is why later mustangs and camaros will usually win the quater
yea your ss must be a bit of a "freak", because I did manage to find specs on an '02 camaro ss slp and it had a 13.3 sec 1/4 mile, there is one thing though. do you have radials holding down the rear end? no offense, but saleens a little more bad ass than slp
@13tommy1 one reason have to change spark pluggs every 30,000 miles rather then 100,000 miles. transmission problems as usual. and in alot of cases for me a pain in the ass to work on
I put 341,000 miles on my "94" LT1. I wonder how many people can say that? The tranny went out at 300,000 miles exactly. Great car! The chicks dug mine!
Who Cares Ford Chevy Dodge....FTW....Ford Racing...Chevy Racing..Mopar Racing.....American Muscle Kicks Ass
Respect to that !
ive no idea why they fight, love them all!
I’ll agree with that,American muscle kicks ass. Only thing is,neither of these cars are muscle. lol.
@@lewisshepard9239 ?
In this video Chevy kicked ass and ate that Ford for lunch
I love how the title specifies V8**. Buddy, if it was a v6 mustang the title would have been "mustang watched LT1 drive away".
JBpcinfo LMAO
Lmao best CZcams comment i've read in a while
And yet, that's what happened anyway....🙄
@@Teknokill-jm2ub Yeah and whats even funnier is the Mustang took a burnout to heat up the tires and still lost. Lol
@@extremedrivr IKR
Hey... Mustangs and Camaros are both muscles right? DAFUQ you guys fighting about... the ricers are our enemys....
Ikr...
+Gecko Gremlin dumb
john crisosto ricer?
i'm a muscle car fan too... i'm both tbh so shut you bitch ass up nigga
for real! all muscle is okay with me!
4th gen z28s are one of the most underrated muscle cars ever
@N20B20A Jeremy not the best body style, but feels like a NASCAR when you sit in it.
@N20B20A Jeremy nah. The 4th gen Mustangs were uglier.
@N20B20A Jeremy I’m just stating my opinion. We can each have our own.
@2017 BMW X3 R Spec eh, I liked the pre facelift version, kinda has a smug look about it. Also the fact that they made a car with such a unique shape that was as cheap as it was is pretty impressive. Like cruising down the highway wind is a joke, you could be in a god damn hurricane and barely feel anything.
Also I'm a sucker for 80s/90s wedge designs, so the 4th gen is pretty high up there in terms of my favourite car designs, especially when you count the firebird of the same generation.
1999-2004 are best gen
The real question is why does that guy have a giant ass Corvette emblem on his z28? and why does the text in the video say "v6 charger with nitro?" O_o
My guess is an ls swap out of a vette
@@bensrestorations5250 no. Lt1's are a vette motor
@@biggregsparks8364 I was referring to the later model ls1 corvette, but you are right, he could have put the lt4 out of a similar year corvette in his Camaro
@@bensrestorations5250 the lt1 is a corvette engine. The lt4 is a lt1 with slighty better factory heads and intake, and is rated at 330 HP. These are very rare, and the 1996 grand sport is mainly the only one. Also, us lt1 guys don't swap to a lt4 engine when our lt1's with le2 ported heads for 1300 bucks with cam regularly make 400 to 430 to the rear tires. Thats 480-500 flywheel for 1300 bucks.
@@biggregsparks8364 gotcha, I’m running a modified lt1 myself
Camaro will never know what Mustang tail lights look like.
AND it was lowest model vs highest model and camaro still won
+Jake Isnt Russian That isnt highest model, highest model is Cobra or Saleen
Shelby is ford's highest model, what type makes no difference
shows how much u know
Really I'm 120 percent sure I know more than you do, I know what a shelby cobra jet is and I know what a saleen mustang is, I also know the henessey 1000 camaro will woop it's ass, the cobra jet is matched to the copo camaro but since they are nothing but heavily modified non street legal drag racera, I would not count them in. BTW shelby is also not stock, it's modified.
i am a proud owner of both these cars.. 99 mustang gt and 94 z28 camaro. so i know what it feels like being behind the wheel of these amazing pieces of machinery. they both have there pros and cons and the argument of which one is better will never be settled do to the fact that both parties can make vary valid points. we shouldn't argue over which car is better instead lets join and fight against foreign tuners that have modified lawn mower engines..
Looks like that's another victory for team camaro. No competition.
Hell yea team camaro
Team F-Body
***** yep. Them cars is fast as lightning so they can be hard to see.
Lol camaros are shit and always have been, always will be.
Rulingmoss55 you didn't watch the video dumbass?
Dude, a LT1 from a Camaro had 305 bhp, a 5.0/4.6 liter from the same year range as the LT1 only had around 250-270 hp. The LT1 was even underated by the factory, so you can easily awaken the true power potential.
czcams.com/video/FJSxXBHZgJk/video.html
Those z28s were actually rated at 275 Hp the corvettes were rated at 300 unless you had the 96 corvette with the Lt4 330hp
@@elitepersonality9515they were underrated by gm to sell more corvettes while saving money by using the same engine
@@ourempires6457 I've actually owned several and currently still do...vette and camaro..You can look up videos all day long with z28 lt1 making less than 300 on the dyno even with small mods....so nahh. Keep playing your video games and don't believe everything you hear.
@@elitepersonality9515 yeah the corvette makes less than 300 too.. it was measured to the crank whereas the camaro’s was measured differently. they both dyno about 230-250 to the wheels stock
I don't feel like arguing anymore, I can just say from my experience, even when I had an LT in my Trans Am I still pulled on every Mustang, and it pushed me back in the seat harder than the 02 GT, now the LS2 thats in it now is just a different story.
100% i have a 94 firehawk ..... had it 6 yrs now ... sold my 88 lx 5.0 ...an never looked back
Tai Lopez's knowledge would dust these fools
bahahaha
I picked a z28 lt1 for a project car and it hasn't let me down yet. I smoked a newer charger and a 98 gt. The only car I've found that had a chance off the line was a little suped up Honda but I still smoked him on the 1/4
I don't think they're allowed to show Fords beating Chevys here on ChevyTube.
If they were racing a 1975 Chevy school bus with a 350 2 barrel in it against a Boss 429 Mustang, the Chevy school bus would still win.
sub zero you are wrong in so Many ways on that lol
what?
How's that? Video is evidence. And I've seen plenty of fords beat chevys on CZcams before as well. They're both great cars. I hate mopar
lmao
gotta love the chirp in 3rd gear!
The LT1's averaged 275hp in those years. The 96-97 years are 285hp. Torque stayed at 335ft. lbs. through out the LT1's run. And in actuality, the LT1's were underated from the factory. So, the motor was makong way more power than the 275. That year mustang had 260hp and about 300ft. lbs. The cars weighed jyst about the same. The Camaro is obviously the winner stock for stock.
@Nater36 True, the engine mounts on a camaro/firebird are also 4-bolt and the corvette is a 2-bolt as well
Ive kept up with 4.6 Liter Mustangs in my old 2002 5 speed v6 3.8 liter Camaro. LM performance intake air lid and a flow master helped it breath.
Yep had mine go up to 140 easy
@@casgraalwhite2730 my limiter was set to 120
That would mean you also keep up with LT1 Camaros because these 99-04 Mustangs and LT1 4th gens are pretty even.
@@NewEdgeDesigns Never raced one.
el del camaro si que se trago al del mustang y aparte de eso me gusto como se escucho el camaro a la hora de arrancar
Thanks for the info.
Also if they both are cammed and heads are changed will they dish out equal power? Considering they are on the same block.
@carcajouxx yeah but the 281 kept up good for a big engine diffrence, plus both cars were obvoisly not stock
lol i love how people "heat up" street tires
Lol I was just thinking that
You can still gain grip from a warm vs cold street tire. Like a noticable amount if you know what you're doing. It just doesn't need to get around the 190-200 degrees Fahrenheit that race tires operate at.
@@Psykam you don't think the desert asphalt was warm?
@@madmod Not warm enough for the compound to get sticky enough.
Also, people do the burnout to clean the tire and get a fresh layer of rubber. It helps if you don't have pebbles all over your tires.
You guys have obviously never launched a car before.
@@Psykam my auto non pi 4.6 has been a best of 13.7 @100 on stock gears and street tires. I know how to launch a damn car. I also know that it doesn't do much good to heat a hard compound street tire because the patch it puts down is nothing compared to a true radial regardless of how hot you get it. I won't argue with the cleaning of the tire tho but you really just need to warm them up to get the water off of them(street tires that is)nothing more. Every company who makes radials has their own recommendations for launch prep and only then should you be worrying about heating the tires specifically to the standards of that tire.
LOL at the corvette badge on the camaro.
I thought that ment chevy racing . wow i feel like a fool
Right, why would he put a Vette badge on. Kinda dumb but to each his own.. I guess?
Glycerin cause it has the same engine dumbass
Jose Pacheco T So did the Roadmaster, Fleetwood, Caprice, and Impala SS. Guess they all should have Corvette badges too.
@Jose but it isn't a Corvette dumbass
thanks for the excellent comeback. you yourself are a smart one
those tail lights came in in 96/97 as just a minor refresh. the nose didn't change until 98. the tail lights were updated shortly before they updated the nose.
It's funny how all Mustang owners can do when lose to a GM car is call them Government Motors or cry about the recalls.The first thing a new Camaro owner does is blow the doors off a Mustang.the first thing a new Mustang owner does is start pricing modifications to make their cars fast lol
You mean the first thing a camaro owner does it take it in for recall work. lol
@@camclarke2663 says the guy with no pic and probably neither car
The Mustang wins the most important race of all SALES.
@@andye5573 I mean when you make a sub par car for under 32k under I'd assume it would sell being a new ss is 40k+ taxes
@@ebkbk9902 If the Mustang is sub par why does it continue to dominate the Camaro in sales? Literally year after year. You don't even see these Camaros in the road anymore because they are all junk.
camaro has most of the time always been faster then mustang stock, awesome, and the new camaro will dominate AGAIN.
what i love about this comment is in 2010 the 5th gen camaro ruined the mustang gt 02 camaro same story hell ever the 93 lt1 wrecked the 04 gt now 11 years later this is sorta still true mustang gt made close grounds but the camaro 1le wrecks the gt pp2 zl1 1le eats the gt500 around the track
@@rickgollwitzer5989 why you leave off all the other 99-04 mustangs out? You forget the the 03-04 mustang cobra or the saleen, roush, mach 1, the bullit, these are all faster than just a Gt and would keep up with modern cars this day. These would swallow those previous year camaros your talking a out, thats why they had to stop making camaros cus they couldn’t keep up with the terminator (also known as the hellcat of those days)
@@jamessoria9706 If you supercharged and tuned an LS Camaro, it would make a Terminator look like it was standing still. That's basically what Ford did. Couldn't make a competent engine without a supercharger. Chevy could have beat it if they wanted to, but they couldn't make the Camaro faster than the Corvette. Bad for sales.
I remember watching this video 15 years old when I bought 1996 Trans Am. Odd to say a youtube video seems like lifetime ago but it does!
they took off exactly the same time sounded nice
Camaro always WINS!!!
Well duh camaros have bigger motors
Lol
The camaro is ugly af tho
@@dungdippedindian3933 everyone has their own opinion but i think its very nice looking even tho it does look like a catfish lmao
@IronMcSteelFlex A 99 Camaro would dominate an 03 Mustang stock for stock. Even a Ford fan would admit that :/
And that's why they hate on Chevy! More interchangeable parts and more power! An old buddy/boss who owned a dyno shop years ago was a ford boy. My bolt on 02z I dynoed one day... He said to me " This is bs! Do you know what I have to do to a foxbody or a 4.6 to make this power" 😆 he ended up putting a 5.3 in his foxbody after a year of seeing my car beat poopstangs!
would a 3.4 or 3.8 camaro be able to handle a 50 shot nitrous kit??
The exhaust on that chevy is badass!!, is it flowmaster?.?. by any chance.
camaro is 10 years older and still faster!!!
Thats why they discontinueing them....twice......idiot
nickman888 i thought it was because gm has no money.
@@rebel9976 It's because the Camaro and Corvette are both very similar in speed, and Chevrolet wants the Corvette to be their money-maker car instead of the Camaro.
There both 90's gens of the car there's like a 2 year difference
@@Byebye_WT not really the lt1 is early 90's and the updated 2v is late 90's i know the 2v came out in 96 but it was a bad upgrade from the 5.0 by the time ford updated their 2v it was to late the ls1 came out
I do love Chevy though lol
@PS3Justin360 Looks like I was wrong. 1997 was the first year they introduced orange on the tail lights, 1998 was when they came out with the flush head lights.
Beautiful cars. I like the look of late 90s early/mid 2000s. Muscke cars. F body Camaros, firebirds, mustangs, GTOs and the Impala ss. The firebird trans am is my fave. Ppl 30 and up are so blessed to be able to drive when those cars where Hot. Nowadays in my time its the zl1, shelby, and mopar... and even the V series caddy cts but i like the TA.
I’m waiting for the Pontiac Muscle Cars to come back one day 😪
i love that mustang,
No coincidence that the Chevrolet fans can't spell
@superchargedporn yeah im speaking of the cobras, theyre the only ones worth comparing. And your point is...?
how did he get that camaro to make that snortin sound between gears?.. never heard that sound so deep before.
why the fuck is the mustang burning out on regular street tires for a race? it doesn't really help at all... unless there was a bunch of dirt on them.
Who cares, let them do whatever lol
kingcrimson234 Now he has no reason and no excuses as to why he lost, he now sleeps at night knowing he's too slow.
GM is the king once again.
@diplomatic4 lol it all depends on the size some of those dual stack spoilers they have to be good for at least 100 hp gain :)
@zach2k4
If I'm not mistaken the Z had a better gear ratio along with performance upgrades like oil coolers and what not. I might be wrong though.
Video states V6, I dont see any GT stamp or badging and the V8 wouldnt sound like that even with a stock exhaust. Theres no way a V8 mustang couldnt smoke the tires, even being the weaker of the two.
AdriannnTRD Supercharged V6?
Are you blind?..u can clearly see the GT badge on the back
It's bright as day a GT it even says a v8 mustang, plus the duel exhaust...
The 4.6 made shit for torque.
+Todd Rich the LT1 335 ft/lbs and the LS1 about 350 ft/lbs those are bone stock numbers
I Love how people say O the top model cobra would stand a chance...hahaha morons....the cobras the Super top trim and just goes to show chevys better cause the z28 isn't even the fastest trim and it compares to cobra...and the cobra needs a supercharger....hahahaha ford fail all day...but i still love both
crotchrocket00 We're talking 1990's here, get out of the 2010's.
Didnt need a supercharger? LOL thats why the previous gen Cobra had a recall literally because it was too slow? They absolutely needed a supercharger, without it they were getting shit on by cars like this z28. Imagine if this Camaro was a Ls1 instead of the shitbox Lt1, the Camaro was ten times better than the mustang all the way through the 90's without a doubt. When Ford finally came out with the 4 valve the competition became close again, but no 90's mustang could take out a 90's v8 camaro stock for stock or mod for mod. Simple as that.
Ya i did, because Ford recalled the Cobra for being slower and less powerful than they claimed. That is a 100% relevant fact to this conversation, nothing you said had any relevance at all. Chevy has tons of recalls but are any of them to do with the performance and the speed of their SS or Z28 F body camaros? Nope so fuck off with your random bullshit. Im not even a chevy or ford fan particularly. I personally own a 300zx twin turbo, so i have no bias. But the fact is the the gm f body, especially with the ls1 were far better, both in straight line speed and cornering ability, than any 90's mustang from the factory including Cobras. The Termi NEEDED a supercharger to make the extra power it did, the 4.6 4v modular engine made less power and torque than the Ls1 did in naturally aspirated form (Previous gen Cobras or Mach 1's) so without the 8psi being pushed through the eaton that Cobra would not have made more power than its competitors and that would have been bad for Ford. So it needed it.
+Some Body Actually it was a tsb. I worked for Ford when that happen. We had to upgrade the exaust and intake. Then we flashed the pcm. Got it 1.5 second faster in a 1/4....
Stephen Mattia so true
@ford4point0 Yea Im not sure what the 03 cobras put out but I thought 470 at the wheels was more than 60 more but idk, but thats what they were saying they were getting with a pulley, tune and exhaust.
And I had a 3.8 camaro and that just wasnt enough power for me and now I have a c5 and will hopefully be getting some headers this summer. But most cat back systems go for over 1k new and the straight pipes go for about 7-800 but I got mine used for 310. I also have a set of zo6 ti's too.
@dssgator987 yea and they also cost more than 3x the price of either the Camaro or Mustang
if the camaro wasnt so ugly i would want it
still like the ford best.
@ford4point0 Everyone that I have talked to has hit a glass ceiling at 450-470 and that was with a port and polish. And Im surprised that the Borla exhaust was only 600 but then again I have never looked at exhaust for a mustang but a cat back for my car is about 1,300 and straight pipes like I have are about 800.
And I wasnt referring to the rear end more along the lines of the clutch, either way when you reach that hp range things get expensive fast.
lets all hope with the camaro challenger and mustang all back to compete ( nice job ford for never killing of the mustang btw ) that we all will get some awsome cars that our kids will grow up dreaming about like we did the old versions of these cars.
I agree with you!
Except, Ford did kill off the Mustang. The Mustang II was really a reskinned Pinto. It was brought back in 1979.
The Camaro never rode on a Vega platform :)
really a gt? where is the cobra?
It's a Z38 vs a GT, that's a fair race. Put an SS against a Cobra, that's a fair race. Mix and match between them isn't without mods.
***** look closer genius the back reads z/28
It even says unknown vs camaro. Z/28
So like I said this is an unfair race
james Wong Hey Einstein, You do realize that an SS is a faster car than a Z28 right? Just like a Cobra is faster than a GT. SS=Cobra Z28=GT that's the math. You can say you're sorry now...
5.7 vs a 4.6? Id say the ford didn't do too bad! plus it looks about a billion times less ugly.
Yeah, with 2 cams and 32 valves in the 4.6, pretty level playing field
If this Camaro was Ls1 it wouldve embarrassed the stang, it was an old shitbox Lt1 what did you expect. If the Camaro was from the same year as the Mustang the Mustang would have no chance in hell at sticking with him. And also they are both direct competitors in the domestic V8 pony car market, size of the engine isnt an excuse. These cars are made to compete against eachother, Chevy's f body camaro was simply better than the mustang. And as this proves, both the Lt1 as well as the Ls1 are far superior motors to the 2v 4.6 v8 found in those stangs. Not cuz of engine size, because the 2v just sucked dick
dick van niggz not the GT it only had the standard 2v, the cobra on the other hand is 4 cam 32v mustang.
George Farah it was a 6 cylinder!!
Earl Witherspoon what was a six cylinder
just curious but have you had a chance to race one of the new 5.0 gts your talkin bout? Try one out if u get lined up with one. I got a chance once and started pulling on him and he let off. At the line I thought he might get me but after he took off it it kinda let me down. It seemed to be stock but I expected more for the numbers they claim
yea I heard nice stang a couple times when I owned mine. The camaro has been kinda different...phone calls at work from people trying to buy it. I went to a car lot one time and got talking with the guy about work. He asked where I worked and asked who drove the camaro and offered trading around a 98 vette for it. A cop from a nearby city even liked it and wanted to race it in the new charger.
A little different than stopping at a gas station and a teenager checking it out
Go *CHEVY*
Camaros always beat mustangs
You're not wrong
Your statement is not inaccurate.
The thesis you are currently presenting is not easily proven false, therefore it is thought of as fact by most people.
sheldon blankenship ok
@Sheldon
I think your evaluation of Rob's statement about this is not insignificantly brash.
@kushman916 nice should keep you V6 for parts like any good fenders or interior stuff
@ford4point0 the only modular modular with 32 valves were the cobras
ford stands for found on the road dead lol!
Oh lol what did u think of that on your own?
Ford stands for FIX OR REPAIR DAILY.
"FIX IT AGAIN TONY"
"You're thinking of fiat, dale"
Chevy for live
you are high! I own an '01 T/A but I still LOVE 88-93 GT 'stangs. Those are hot little cars!
I wanna get a trans am, but im torn between an ls1 or an lt1, and auto or manual.
Camaro > Mustang
Mustang never wins. Reason: it's trash.
WOW THOSE LAUNCH HARD. GOOD LAUNCHES. I WANNA GET MINE LAUNCHING THAT HARD. GOOD RUNS.
@IronMcSteelFlex You don't like 88-93 5.0L's??? Thoser are my personal favourites aside from a 2005 svt cobra r
@TheMaro4life I think the comparison is with the 03-04 cobra stangs which would kill any stock ls1/lt1 camaro
@DudewithdaShades Which is why the '84 z28 was titled the best handling car made in America. The thing could do .92g 26 years ago. They're made for handling every bit as much as drag racing.
@pablofreak
Right thats why they stopped making them for like 10 yrs right?
nice me and my bro just got a 98 mustang same color ive been wanting one ever since i hit 17 first car was an ss monte carlo then a ss el camino
@howyouluvthat Which ones a V6? lt1 is a 350 sbc and the the mustang says v8 in the vid
As a guy who owned both a 1989 LX 5.0 and a 2003 GT 4.6 I already knew how this race was going to end. Those 4.6 are reliable decent engines but they just don't have what it takes to run with Camaros or Trans Ams.
Yet a stock 4.6 would beat a stock 5.0 fox all day..
@99stangsixxer You are definitely correct. That LT1 has a Corvette badge on the rear. I would guess the owner put it there as a tribute to the fact that the Z28 has a Corvette engine.
Boy, that LT-1 Camaro sounds good!, it sounds like an IROC with an exhaust...
@ford4point0
I never said it wasnt easy to get power out of them but 500 with only 1,500 is not going to happen. You need a ported and polished blower along with several other things.
And you can get 8psi on a stock ls1, and the same things that you say a lst needs the cobra is going to need too. and you are right the blower is going to cost a lot more than 3 k its going to be closer to 7k( well thats a kit) but you will have everything but the tune.
Are you gonna have a mullet to go along with your Trans-AM?
Where are these guys at? I've seen this same road in several different vids. Can someone tell me?
You are half right. In 97 the Camaro got updated interior and the new style tailights. It is an LT1.
@99stangsixxer That is a corvette symbol on the back but that camaro is an lt1 which means that it has the corvette engine in it, but they probably did that to make their car look cool because that is not standard
I'll try to find some articles for you, I'll even scan them if I have to. The articles I'm speaking of were from 2001. Yes a 98 SS runs 13.5, but every year after until 02 they increased in power. 01-02 cars had Z06 intake and a couple other goodies if you opted for the full SLP package. There's no official word yet on HP ratings on the new SS. At least the mags I have state the Z28 will be in the 400 range and the SS closer to 500. But no use debating on a car that doesn't exist yet right?
@corvettels9 lol that doesn't matter. the caddy 501 which is like 8.4 liters makes at least 100 less horsepower than either of these engines
@mattbhill You do realize that 450rwhp is only like 60hp more than stock for cobras right? So if theyre stuck at that, i can only guess they dont have a clue what theyre doing. And the clutch goes both ways, they both have to be upgraded.
And 1300 for catback??? Damn what do you drive? Ive got a z28 and i got a gmmg catback for under 500 bucks.
man, i wish i had a long straight empty road near me! lol
@SANDiVi4N Cool! How much HP are you running?
my bf has a 96 impala ss...ive heard him say it has a 383 stroker...is that good...ive drove it a time or two and its very fast
@adamsunkle2 impresive how much money have you put into it?
Seems about right. I had an 01 GT auto with UD pullies, intake, tb, exhaust,suspension,DR's, 373 gears, and pro tune. I raced my buddies 97 Camaro SS auto bone stock and I beat him by maybe half a car. It was basically dead even untill 70mph, I slowly started pulling.
Mustangs were really meant for top end power, lt1s were always about low end pulling, wich is why later mustangs and camaros will usually win the quater
@Slipknotdraken SS's had about 15 or 20 more horses because they received the SLP sports exhaust package, I think.
@zach2k4
I'd say the Z, just because the Z28 is the performance package while the SS is more of a style package.
Respond to this video... How many car lengths ahead were you when you won? From the video it looked like 5.
@AdrenalineJunky17 it dyno'd 343 rwhp but it only weighs about 3000 pounds im hoping one day ill be able to put a 351c or a 460 in it.
@allngould the camaro in this video? probably around $3000-4000 stock can find it cheaper if you look hard
One of the best comment section I've seen
@beastmodeclick1082 but the 2011 is available now!
yea your ss must be a bit of a "freak", because I did manage to find specs on an '02 camaro ss slp and it had a 13.3 sec 1/4 mile, there is one thing though. do you have radials holding down the rear end? no offense, but saleens a little more bad ass than slp
@13tommy1 one reason have to change spark pluggs every 30,000 miles rather then 100,000 miles. transmission problems as usual. and in alot of cases for me a pain in the ass to work on
are both these cars manual? i got a race coming up against a 04 gt manual, i got a 95 camaro lt1 auto
I put 341,000 miles on my "94" LT1. I wonder how many people can say that? The tranny went out at 300,000 miles exactly. Great car! The chicks dug mine!