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- What the heck does 2:1 or 3.5:1 even mean!? These are examples of pot odds, which are the lifeblood of making good #poker decisions when facing bets and raises. In this video, you'll learn what pot odds are, why they are important, see some examples putting pot odds to use, and get some simple numbers to memorize that will help you in the future.
When you see a pot odds ratio, such as 3:1, you see your risk (what you need to call) on the right and your reward (the pot + your opponent's bet) on the left. From this ratio, you get your equity requirement by the simple formula:
= Risk / (Risk+Reward)
So 3:1 pot odds have a 25% equity requirement by taking 1/(1+3). If your actual chance of winning the hand is higher than the equity requirement, you continue. Otherwise, you should look to things like implied odds.
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This video was incredibly helpful.
I’m not great with math and have watched many videos on pot odds but still didn’t quite understand it well enough to implement in live poker. For some reason with this video it just clicked finally. Thanks for the great content!
it is better to create a table of values and memorize than doing math on your head during a game. Just go to that poker odds calculator and create a table of ratios with their respective percentage. Then, during the game, you just need to quickly calculate the ratio, that at least is easy to do on the fly. Once you know the ratio, your mind already knows the percentage if you memorized the table, at least this method works for me.
You’re a great teacher man I’ve been trying to get this down easily and you made it so simple to understand fully and how to do the match quick and shit
Very helpful. Perhaps the simplest of explanations that I have seen. Thank you so much.
I could instantly see the change in my gameplay.
It has become far more solid.
Ur channel is a gem! Personally I use the formula 100/Reward+Risk to calculate the equity needed.
i realy love your lessons. they are priceless.
Although i have a serious question on calculating the odds.
Where to calculate them???
Lets say i have a good hand...and when opponent bets i can see i have more hands in his range of hands he plays,where i win.
Lets say 60% of the hands he could play,i wins vs 40% where i lose.
should i apply odds with this information???
Or
If we assume he has a better hand i can calculate the propabillities for me in order i have the better hand the next round (turn or river) and lets say my hand get better with 20% propabillity.
I cant understand
where should i pay attention in order to have +EV on my bet.
In the hand i have now or in the hand i will have on turn or river?
Wait did you update the title and thumbnail to make it 2021 not 2020?
Updated to 2022 now 😂
he's done it again
This guy's out of control
Business is business
I feel fundamentals and poker math are hand in hand, you can’t have one without the other. I love poker always looking to learn more about the game
In your first example 1500/900 =1.66 not 1.71 but your calculator shows otherwise is there any adjustment we have to make ,the equity in the end only varies by .5% , but what about higher numbers will the change be more?
hope there will e a video for math about calling with equity and when we are the aggressor, especially value betting and protective bets, sometimes i find it hard to weigh which one is better option. I know that if equity r close and the pot is big when u against someone who has a edge on u, it might be a good time to shut down the hand right there. But like for how much?
Great video. Do you have one of figuring out hand equity?
This software + video will help =) www.splitsuit.com/equilab-poker-software-video
Hi great video! It is not clear to me how you handle the 34k example where you explain pot size raise. On 34k pot, I bet 20k (54k pot now). They raise 40k so in order to count the pot size of their raise wouldn't the calculation be 40:54 = 74% of the pot. Next is 60k, wouldn't it be 60:54 = 111% of pot size? Thanks for clarifying!
Do you recieved answare? I was also buffled about this counting. I thought he will explain what is pot sized raise, and then proceed to example...
your percentages in column 1 are off. 60 k + 54k is 114k 60/114 is 53% 80k +54k= 134 k 80/134 = 60%
Hi, I'm historically bad at maths in general. would I be correct in thinking the best things to learn in terms of fundamentals would be ratios, probability and percentages? Thanks
LEO James 🤨
Great work!
Thanks Batty!
Amazing content as usual
Thank you!
Amazing beard too!!
Around 11:20, I don't understand why he calculated % of the pot using the 94 (pot sized raise). The pot is 54k.
Yeah in the examples at the bottom of the page, he included our "call amount" in the amount we would win.
But in the previous examples, the amount we call is not included in that. It's the "risk", not part of the "reward"
The pot for the 1st example of 40k raise is 74k.
So we are Risking 20k (the amt to call) to win 74k (34k current pot + our 20k and 20k of the raisers 40k)
But he said we're Risking 20k to win 94k which is incorrect (that 94k is including the amount we need to "risk")
@@BR00KS28 Your logic is at fault here. We're winning 34k + our 20k plus their 40k. Why would we just win 20k of their 40k?
So we need to call 20 to win 94
@@christopherdopp1300same here , from my calculations it should be the the pot is 74 (34+20(mybet)+20(theycall)) and than they rase on top of that. so i thing the pot % here are wrong. if not correct me please and tell why it should be 94. (I spend so much time on this and i could not find any explication)
@@christopherdopp1300yeah but the pot before their bet is 74 so the pot % are wrong right?
Hello. I have a question: if i have to make a decision on the flop to call or not, do i have to calculate my equity just for the turn? I mean if i have 8 outs do i have to calculate just 8*2 or 8*2*2(the posibility of a check check on the turn)? I hope i got understood and if not please tell me to remake my question because my english is not very good. Thank u!
No, for the river. Because two more cards are coming.
On the Flop, you always calculate your outs x4. On the turn, your outs x2+2.
How do you calculate your equity on the fly in a scenario where you’re trying to decide whether or not to call?
4/2 rule when I'm behind, and lots of off-table exploration to refine estimations when ahead =)
What do I do with the equity requirement?
at around 11 min, i understand the first raise of 40k. it's 40 + 20 + 34, so 94k. but for the next two examples shouldn't it be 60 +20 + 34 = 114, so 60/114 gives 53% of pot. and the last one 80/134 = 60% pot?.
btw thanks for your content James, love it. imo top youtube poker contributer
Thanks J! As for the math, the size of a pot-sized raise just looks at the money in the middle BEFORE the raise. Their raise size will impact our pot odds though =)
hey where can I buy this workbook please? I need this to understand the mathematical side of the game. Thank you
@@newarmygomez2859 there's link in the description or visit his website
@@splitsuit isn't the money in the middle before the raise 54K? because of the initial 34k + our 20k? or is it 74k considering the initial 34K + our 20K + (their 20K subtracted from their raise) then it could be 74K before their raise but I don't understand how it could be 94k
@@SuperMhops 94K is what a pot-sized raise would be. The rule being 3x the bet + the original pot. So = (3*20K)+34K
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And another one on Thursday =)
Can anyone help me on this one?: Blinds 75/150 (225 pot) - Hero open raises to 525 - so (525*3=1575 + 225=1800) meaning that a 3bet for pot size would be 1800 right? Then Villain 3bets to 925 - so then (925/1800=0.51%) - so I should be getting 25% equity right? Yet when I put it in the pot odds equity calculator (Pot size after they bet & amount to call) (1650 after they bet & 400 to call) it says equity is 20%. What am I doing wrong?
maths in general is like mandarin to me. its the one element i am missing from my game, the work book is just what i need to thanks for putting this out there.
You're very welcome!
any tricks to do the math fast at the table? or just practice? my brain hurts trying lol
I've always been confused by how odds relate to bluffing. If we have the odds and equity to continue then we are doing so for value, and if we don't have the equity/odds are we bluffing? Or is this an overly simply way of relating odds/equity to bluffing as a concept, and all that actually matters is why we 'think' we are betting? Obviously not all bluffs are created equal, but I feel like linking my bluffs to equity/odds and combo's is a way I could improve the quality of my bluffs. Anything you put out on that would be awesome! Thanks again :)
Hey Jarrod. That's kind of a loaded question, but have you seen/read this yet? It might help frame things a bit better: www.splitsuit.com/poker-bluffing-101
I'm still a beginner but... There are scenarios where you SHOULD bluff with low equity e.g from button where other players will usually fold to Ur 3bet (nitty/fishy, low VPIP/pfr / high gap/fto3b... but should prob have < 60% of hands as your bluffing range which would be cards with >36% starting equity or with at least 15% equity for that hand. If someone calls your bluff, you gotta decide based on their range/stats. E.g fold to cbet......tmi?
Splitsuit: To try to simplify things in my head, would it be right to think that my poker career is really just one, never-ending, mathmateic equation? You really can strip almost everything away down to numbers huh? lucky it was always my worse subject.... lmao. im sure im not alone tho, I appreciate the vids. I find it helpful to me to write down common odds and equity and hang it up by my work space. Im going to have to look into your workbook and the core class. You break things down very clearly to me, I really need to do something to advance from where im at now... Awesome vid man 👍
Cheers Jules! I think writing and constantly reviewing common odds/% is a great idea for retention =)
@@splitsuit Thanx for all you put out SS... I wrote you an email, Julian W., about the best training option to take. Core vs. a workbook. I look forward to hearing back from you if you find the time, and look forward to finding the best fit for advancing through the training you offer. Best wishes, or as you say Shalom!
I'm still confused, i get it for the pot raise but less than pot no. Let's say pot is 100, i bet 20, villan raise 80 (should be half pot right? 20x3+100 = 160 so 3:1), i've got to call 60 in 200, and it's more than 3:1. Help understand please, my head is exploding on this.
River. Vill bets half pot, that should be 25% eq to call for hero. Am I wrong?
Is your workbook on the pro membership?
It's separate =)
I need help understanding how all these numbers matter? I thought it was as simple as If you think your hand will win you stay in. If not then fold. I dont get what the benifit of knowing pot odds is
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Do you guys ever do 1 on 1s? trying to learn and be able to ask questions while doing so.
I highly suggest using the Discord for that. You can join for free here: redchippoker.com/discord
Where can I get this work book he talks about?
Right here: www.splitsuit.com/poker-preflop-math-workbook Enjoy!
.I was tought to do this at 5.0 your saposed to go 300/(600+300+300.Wich is 4:1.This is whuts confuesing me and so many others.A verry popular teacher and player says his way is correct.Do you no of this methode?.
Am I confused or are the last 2 examples wrong when calculating pot odds on a raise @ 11:19? Original pot is 54k. First example is villain raises 40k for a pot of 94k. So 40 / 94 = .425 = 43%. But the next 2 examples villain raises for higher amounts of 60k/80k but the math is still done with the same 94k total pot size. Shouldn't the math be done with total pot sizes of 114/134?
The original pot was 34K. The on-table display of 54K = (the original 34K pot) + hero's 20K bet
@@ThePokerBank Right the 54k is the original 34k plus hero's 20k raise. That amount stays the same for all 3 examples in the workbook. However the re-raises of the villain changes from 40k to 60k to 80k. The first re-raise 40k + the original 34k + hero 20k = 94k which he uses to get first answer. However he uses the same 94k total for the other 2 re-raises of 60k and 80k. From my understanding the total for the 2nd re-raise of 60k should be calculated as 34k original + 20k hero raise + 60k villain re-raise = 114k. He uses the same total of 94 to for all 3 examples even though their totals are different. Shouldn't it be:
1. 34k + 20k + 40k = 94 => 40 / 94 = 43%
2. 34k + 20k + 60k = 114 => 60 / 114 = 53%
3. 34k + 20k + 80k = 134 => 80 / 134 = 60%
@@8outzpoker280 i thought exacly the same! @ThePokerBank pls explain. This guy explained the problem very well.
Edit - ok i think i got it. We should think about the pot like this:
OG pot = 34K, then there is our Bet = 20K, and then it's check-raise. Villain checks our 20 and raises by additional 20K/40K/60K. So % of the "new" pot will be counted as 94 in all three examples.
Pot odds ratio then:
1. 34+20+(20+20) -> we have to call for 20K to check villain so it's 94:20 -> 4.7:1 -> 1/5.7=17.5% rounded up makes 18%
2. 34+20+(20+40) -> now we have to call for 40 to check him: 114:40 -> 2.85:1 -> gives around 26%
3. 34+20+(20+60) -> 134:60 -> 2.2:1 -> gives about 31%
So we had fundamental problem. And i think many of us does - Hey Splitsuit, maybe video about such (not)obvious things??
@@ThePokerBank
still not sure about % of the pot. Are we counting it by assumtion of pot sized raise after our 20K raise, not including check--raise of the villain?
1st example is quite understandable 34 + our 20 + his 20 to check + 20 villain raise. It gives 94K
2nd example is what i don't get - it's 34+ our 20 + his 20 + 40 this time. So pot after his raise is 114, and we have to check for 40 to find out. Shoudn't it be 60/114=53%? Or we have to refer every check-raise amount (40, 60, 80) to the pot before check-raise with formula 3*bet + OG pot?
The more i try to understand it the more I get confused. What part of raises are included to the pot, and which are not?
Good day to you.
Why dıd you not count the money you bet ınto the pot?
Ex:
There ıs 100 ın the pot and you are facıng a 100 bet, so when you call the pot becomes 300 (3:1) not (2:1) eh?
I have an interesting question but would like to preface it with stating that I play a very math heavy game and try to play as closely to a GTO strategy as possible, play mostly tournaments, and factor in ICM when applicable. I try and look at the big picture of tournaments and always keep in mind that it is last man standing so i don't get caught up in certain situations. With that being said I often find myself in pre-flop situations facing a call that I predict will be statistically favorable and I will call. There is no question that it is the right decision in a cash game, but is it in a tournament setting? As this is a hypothetical question I will provide a situation but will leave the stage of the tournament a blank because I'd like it if you could address how the decision may change throughout the tournament.
Let's say you have JcJs and somehow know that you have 60% equity against your opponent's range. You are in the BB and it folds to Villain who shoves from the HJ, it folds around to you for 20 BB is the effective stack and you have 40 BBs. Let's say ICM is not a pressing factor. GTO would of course tell you that it is a call. In that exact situation or for your entire career it is easy to say yes you should call but every play you make in a tournament has an affect on every hand after that. Is there any merit to adjusting your GTO time parameters to the period of that tournament? Even with this large statistical edge you could only theoretically make this call 2/5 times without losing a large portion of your stack. I understand that you cannot avoid these situations without having a huge leak in your game and missing out on a huge sum of money. With this in mind is there any version of a sound tournament strategy where you could say this is too great of a risk? Post-flop can give a better statistical edge and playing small ball and bluffing could balance your range out. The specific question I would like to ask is can avoiding all-in pre-flop situations or only going all-in/calling all-in with premium hands be something that could be a favorable strategy in tournament play?
Sure. If you have a huge edge on the table, it could make sense to forego a small +EV preflop all-in for your tournament life if you could make that up with many +EV/non-life-threatening actions over future hands.
@@splitsuit I really appreciate your reply and your advice. I know that there are some very sick ICM situations where SB pushes for like 80% and BB only calls
@@sterlingstevens4194 I'm not the best person to answer that as I focus primarily on cash games =) Maybe ask in the RCP forums? forum.redchippoker.com/
@@splitsuit Thank you SplitSuit. I owe the vast majority of my poker to 3 sources; You, Doug Polk, and Ed Miller. I definitely have learned the most from you and your style of teaching has always resonated with me greatly. There are a couple of ideas that I've always wanted to convey to you.
1. You should see if there is a market for teaching other poker players how to teach. The majority of poker concepts are available in many different places and forms but ultimately what it comes down to is two factors, quality and relatability. I truly believe the poker community would benefit greatly if more poker players putting out content could do so even a fraction as effectively as you do. The information is out there but it is largely how it is taught to us and I believe that you could teach other teachers how to teach in a much more meaningful way.
2. I would love to see a video about how to prioritize poker concepts. I have always found this to be an important skill but never seen any system that ranks various skills, discuss which concepts should take precedence in which situation, or even really address how these concepts should relate to each other. The Poker Bank does state the utility of various concepts on a scale 1 to 10 and I believe this partially aims to do this but I know I would appreciate knowing more about this topic. For instance, I may be on the turn with a piece and a draw, not getting direct pot odds, have good implied odds, a decent SPR (I know it is a flop calculation but I try to keep it in mind when drawing), and depending on the river could have a nice bluff catcher to maintain my minimum defense frequency. I know this is a very specific example and a lot of poker is making decisions and prioritizing but it isn't something that is often talked about.
As always, I appreciate your time and I must apologize for sending you a small novella.
@@sterlingstevens4194 Cheers! I'll ponder those ideas and see what I can do =)
I need to know pot odds when I face re-raise. please discuss that. I am a beginner.
The second half of this video covers pot odds when facing a raise. The same math applies when facing re-raises too!
great video; better beard
2:40 What does equity req means? is it the equity of ur hands? for example KK will have high equity? but how will you know the exact equity % ?
"Equity req" means 'the minimum equity required to continue given the pot odds'. You rarely know your *exact* equity in real-time, but you can use tools like Equilab or Flopzilla Pro to calculate them and develop an intuition for them.
@@ThePokerBank thank you. Are these app free or not rly?
@@valentinbonchev7485Equilab is free, Flopzilla Pro is paid. Both are Windows-only fwiw.
really confused. If my odds are 3/1, then how is the equity I require not 33%+? With 25% equity wouldn't I need odds greater than 4:1 to make it a profitable call?
If you win 25% of the time when getting 3:1 you break even. For example you lose 1 unit 3 times and the 4th time you win 3 units.
@@noex100 thanks!
I'm confused about the percentage of pot on the raise. What does it tell us? Why do we include the amount they needed to call? If they called rather than raised, that's like raising by zero. In the example given, that would be a 20K raise size which is 21% of the pot. How can calling be seen as raising by 21% of the pot?
Jimmy The Wig basically, money in the pot is no longer yours, unless you win it. So you only calculate on the amount that you have to put in
@@Unjc3f this 😃
how can you find out the pot odds ratio?
Does this short video help? czcams.com/video/Y_dVZYyBxjg/video.html
at 13:00 i dont understand any of the calculations.for example when their raise size is 80, you must call 60. the pot is now 34k plus your earlier bet of 20k plus their bet of 80k plus your calling amount of 60k = 194k. so 60/194 =30?
he doesnt seem to include your calling amount after they raise.
or for the first one, the pot is 34 plus our 20k bet = 54k then they raise 40k so the pot is now 94k and we need to call 20k to continue so the pot is now 114k and we are risking 20? i dont get why he doesnt include an extra 20k
If they raise to 80K, the total pot is 134K (original 34K+our 20K+their 80K), and we are calling 60K. Using risk/(risk+reward) we get 60K/194K, or 31% equity requirement.
@@ruslan.serkov Why would an extra 20K get included?
I didn't understand why knowing the "% of pot" on the reraise case scenario is useful. Only to know that when you aproach 100% it means the pot odds are also aproaching 2:1? Because its not like its symetrical/proportional. Like 50% of the reraise pot size (BET*3 + POT) does not correspond to:
1. 3:1 pot odds (half pot)
nor to
2. 50% of the 2:1 pot-odds required equity (33%/2 = 16.6%)
So why is it useful to calculate (BETx3 + POT)?
Correct, because the most useful/stable thing to know is how close a raise size is to a PSR giving 2:1
@@ThePokerBank ohhh i see. The problem is that I have not learned the concept of PSR yet. Thank you my friendo!
Edit: Your videos rock. Thanks a lot!
@@Raysonnn You're very welcome!
Now that I understand Pot Odds, I would be more inclined to call as compared to before on scrappy hands ;-)..never should have gotten into this :P
I'll post my try for the example above the 34K:
1. Their raise 750. // %ofPot= 750/ (3*225 + 400) = 70% // Pot odds ratio: 1375 (400+225+750):525 (750-225 we bet) -> so it would be around 2.6:1 // Equity req 28% ??
2. Their raise 900. // %ofPot = 900/1075 = 84% // Pot odds ratio: 1525:675 -> 2.3:1 // Equity req: 30%
3. Their raise 1200. // %ofPot = 1200/1075 = 112% // Pot odds ratio: 1825:975 -> 1.9:1 // Equity req: 35%
Can someone check me?
10:00 Why is a pot-sized raise 3x raise + original pot and not 2x (ie: 20K + 20K + 34K pot)?
A pot-sized raise would give your opponent exactly 2:1 on their call. If you only raise to 74K (using the rule you provided), your opponent would be getting better than 2:1 after you raise.
@@ThePokerBank Ahh, gotcha. Thanks!
@@drcwright you're very welcome!
@@ThePokerBankHow did the opponent get the exactly 2:1 on their call? $94K (I re-raise to) + $40K (opponent's raise) + $34K(original pot) = $168K(New pot size). $94K-$40K = $54K(opponent's call). 168:54 is not 2:1. Please help!
@@user-ur3ke4ts3x Which example are you working on? The example from around ~10min into the video has hero betting and V raising and didn't look at hero 3betting and the pot odds/PSR that V would get against that 3bet.
Wish you would've said what equity requirement meant
It's the equity needed to make a +EV play given the pot odds you're currently getting. E.g., if you are getting 3:1 on a call, the equity requirement is 25%
So in 2020 pot ods are the same as in 1970 )
Ok question. At about 10 min in, a pot sized raise is 94k? How? When you raise to 20k, the pot is 54k. Even if villain matches 20k, then raises, thats still 74k?
Or is it because if you call 94k it gives you 2:1/33%, but that doesnt seem to add up since 94k into 54k is 148....wait nvm got it. Youre putting in 74k more to win 148k, or 2:1, okay.
I got it as i was writing it, but im sure more people will be confused by it, so im posting it.
You got there =)
@@splitsuit Took me a minute. I thought i prided myself in being a math wiz, but i might be out of practice lol. And ratios arent intuitive i think. Theyre kinda useless actually, since you just need equity
@@chieffanLJ27 I find poker players pretty evenly split between liking/hating the ratio form. To each their own I suppose so long as you get the correct answer each time =)
I'm still confused, i get it for the pot raise but less than pot no. Let's say pot is 100, i bet 20, villan raise 80 (should be half pot right? 20x3+100 = 160 so 3:1), i've got to call 60 in 200, and it's more than 3:1. Help understand please, my head is exploding on this.
I play 888 where odds don’t matter I lose hands where pre flop I’m 95% chance to win all the time when technically I should win on average
You may want to play with an equity calculator a bit and see how often a hand has 95% equity preflop =)
Haha
Is it all rigged Lewis? I bet it's all rigged.
if you play only one card and don't consider what the other players have and what's on the board.. he is better off playing group darts in the dark
@@jimsmith1856 only when i lose lol
I think the workbook is slightly wrong. On section 3 of this vid, it asks for % of the pot, and what you're inputting is % of the pot sized raise. E.g: If you bet 80k into a pot of 54K, like you do in the last one.. you are clearly betting over 100% of the pot, yet the answer put in the workbook says 85%. 80K is 85% of 94K, which is the pot sized raise NOT the size of the pot.
Paradigm shift/Eye brow moment just happened!!!!
broooo, your beard is epic but you gotta tame that beast! It's too wild! Beard oil/beard wax with a comb n shit. love you bud
how is this a 2024 vid when its posted 4 years ago
Does anything mentioned in this video NOT apply in 2024?
@@ThePokerBank didn't watch it saw that your changed the title to make it relevant to 2024 and asked you the question if im gna be honest saw it as a instant red flag even though i know mathematics doesn't exactly change yk im sure yes it is all applicable to current poker but out of principle i had to ask why not just do some different examples and post, your choice of route seemed lazy to me is all
@@reeceadey9290 fair, but from an algo perspective, it wouldn't be super beneficial to keep making very similar pot odds videos =)
"In 2024" I'm sure it's linear.
Poker jihadi:)
diats and life style poker. Thats a joke. This is the game of math, folks. The question is when and how to deviate from GTO....