Great video Josh. I just came back from the CMP national championships shooting smallbore. The wind at Camp Perry was at times very stiff and unpredictable. To my knowledge none of the master level competitors use high velocity ammo. Most stick with Eley black match or Red tenex ,Lapua center x, and some R50.
I have confirmed your take on wind drift over the past few years. CCI SV at 1064fps in my rifle vs CCI MiniMag HP in my TC Contender 10” at 1310fps. Wind drift is easily tested here in West Texas because it blows 9 of 10 days. The TCs drift is always more at 100 and 200 that the rifle. Take care!
I enjoy your shooting and all your testing. during my 50 some years of hunting and shooting I do pretty good at the Kentucky windage. There has been a few shots that even I have a hard time believing how good the shot turned out. sometimes I even impress my younger brother. LOlssss
It would be good to see a comparison between SK Standard Plus and SK Hight Velocity, but on a varmint CZ457 carbine. 😉 It is also interesting if there are significant differences in the speed of the bullets fired from the CZ455 and CZ457 barrels? 🤔
With my air rifle and 18.13 grain pellets, only 5 FPE from 30fpe to 35fpe makes a huge difference in penetration, so in a hunting scenarios with a .22lr the HV counts for a lot.
Good video mate. Any chance doing some similar with 17 hmr and .22 win mag? mates of mine are having big debate which is better! I personally like hmr but would be good to see and unbiased review.
@pursuitofaccuracy Im getting extremely high ES across numerous 22lr ammo types.. (Lapua Center-X, Midas-Plus, Eley Match) as high as 180fps and no less than 100 out of 50 shots from each ammo type.. Shooting through a Shilen 22" barrel with a Volquartsen Summit action... Lab Radar Any thoughts as to what's going on?? Headspace? Loading ammo incorrectly in the 10rnd rotary mag? Bad Lab Radar reading? Love your channel! Thx!
My CZ 457 Varmint MTR needed SK HVM to get out to 400 yards because my scope ran out of elevation, so that’s when I started to like it. It performed better at 400 than SK Long Range Match which ran out of steam at 350 My son speeds shoots steel and prefers CCI Minimags for practice for cost but SK HVM for competitions as the reliability and precision are way better than CCI in his TacSol. He’s hitting 5 steel plate’s between 7 and 25 yards in the 1.2 - 2.05 secs range depending on the stage, but the louder steel thump and precision at those shorter distances helps It also cycles more reliably when you are getting 5 shots off in 0.7 seconds (0.5 is the time from low ready to first trigger pull so 1.2 seconds total) You really see the quality and precision of ammo when doing that 3x a week with 500-600 rounds per day
I have taken my cz455 out to 600 yards, with 8/20 rounds impacting my 12x18 target. I suggest the most (at least 30moa scope base). I used a Coldshot 150moa scope base for the 75 feet of drop the bullet needed, and to be able to hold the scope dead center on target and spot my misses. edit- I love my 457 Mtr, 400 yards is a real poke, the difficulty going from 300 to 400 is a huge leap, I can go 10/10 at 300 if the wind plays nice, I'm lucky to string 3 in a row at 400
@@wowguy3562 yeah I just had a cheap Bushnell Engage so the available elevation even with my 30 MOA rail was a joke. I fixed that problem but haven’t been back to the ranch in Texas yet. I can only do 500 at that range though
Squirrels are quite good as food when properly prepared. SGB is very hard to find in my area. Leads me to believe it's not particularly popular or maybe REALLY popular. It's popular at my house.
I get results that are much more in line with the results that Mark gets from "Mark & Sam" after work and his use of CCI Velocitors, which is what I use for for long distance shooting out of my CZ Royal. I haven't shot out to 1,000 yards with my rifle and Velocitors like he has, but at similar distances to 500, my accuracy results align with his very well. I'm not sure that this series of tests aren't a little bias towards target ammo velocities and ignoring results at true long distance for .22lr using high velocity ammo! I would like to see you perform another series of tests, but use all of the popular high velocity .22lr ammo for long range shooting/hunting (Velocitors) and 500 yards for distance. See if your results come out showing something a little different from what you obtained here!
Most the high velocity ammo ive tested has much worse sd and es. Which in my opinion is far more important at distance. The other less talked about part of that is given the same BC (and these are for the most part) the faster you push the projectile the more wind steerable it becomes. So given the choice: Work with more drop that I can account for Or Deal with more wind drift that I cant truly account for Easy choice for me
Part 2 of this is there is a massive amount of variables. Take 10 shooters and rifles and you would likely get 10 seperate outcomes to that testing. Rifle A prefers the subs over hv's in terms of accuracy and harmonics Rifle b prefers HV over subs Calm vs windy conditions Wind direction Etc etc etc I will test some more and try to change my own opinion on HV ammo. Any youve seen work really well?
@@PursuitofAccuracy: No debate regarding the difference between hunting grade ammo vs target grade ammo and the consistent performance expectations of either. However, if we toss out the "flyers" we get from high velocity ammo like CCI Velocitors and rely on the shots that are performing as intended, as we would with something along the lines of say, Eley "target" for comparison, all that's left to consider is velocity and trajectory and the inherent accuracy of the rifle used for tests. If we are shooting under as close to ideal conditions as possible, we can either contend with slight winds or shoot from directions that nullify the effects of wind, shooting into or with wind. I have never in 60+ years of rifle and pistol shooting at long distance, heard of a bullet becoming "wind steerable the faster you push it". This concept is new to me and appears to apply only to .22lr bullets, because I cannot find evidence in any of my collection of loading manuals or ballistic materials that address this phenomena.. My Sierra Manual shows that a 40 grain Hornet bullet @ 2100 fps will deviate 41.99 in. in a 10mph cross wind @ 300 yards and at 3100fps @ 300yards with the same crosswind, it will deviate only 27.48 inches. And looking through various other calibers, this same situation holds true across the centerfire board for both rifle and pistol cartridges. In fact, with my shooting being concentrated mostly on rimfire in .22lr and that having been a combination of bench and field position shooting at distances from 50 to 500 yards, in my experience, the faster rounds are less susceptible to wind than the slower rounds out to 200 yards or so. I saw the same results in the 70s with CCI 36gr. mini-mags as I do now, they "buck" the wind better than slower rounds do. The CCI "Stinger" was a sought after round because of that attribute as well as it's explosive terminal effect over the mini-mag! So this new phenomena is really confusing to me! I watched you show the ballistic charts that display this phenomena, so I trust you on it, but it's going against all that I know! :) For all of my long range shooting, I have been using CCI Velocitors 40 grain bullet. I use other brands and bullet types at different distances just for fun, but those are my main cartridges for shooting way out there. This phenomena regarding wind effects on target velocity .22lr bullets has captured my attention and I'm going to run tests to see what I can learn about it when the weather allows. I'm snowed in and out of my usual locations for conducting these kinds of tests until spring now! Thanks Josh, I appreciate your informative and well done videos my friend! And Chris does a great job to! :)
@@rt66rc86 thw wind steerability is due to the very low bc of 22lr projectiles. You can use a ballistics app to test it.. Set a cross wind value of 5 mph and look at the wind hold at 1090 fps and 1190 fps. The difference is noticeable. Appreciate you watching and commenting
i have been using nothing but the cci velocitor since the came out, after a easy 7500+ rnds i still see no reason to use anything else, i regularly take squirrels at150yds . once you know what your ammo will do its easy to adjust for wind and distance.
Question for you sir. What’s the lowest trigger weight you could obtain on your timney trigger. I’ve heard some people have been able to get it down to 4/5 oz safely 😮
I think he likes to run his triggers about 8 oz, thats my preferred weight, but I do not have a timney, I run a TriggerTech diamond, any lower I get a little leary, but yea, some run theirs a lot lower, I feel 8 oz is plenty
The issue is you played the bullet velocities, BCs, and weight to demonstrate this outcome. The interesting result would have been to use the same at different velocities.
You should see me shoot, I miss every time. But honestly, I think Josh was showing how much drop at 100 yards vs 50 yards, for some reason, I don't dial my scope much, but when he said thats about 1.8 mils, I was smiling, thats my general hold then I fine tune
@@shannonfritsch6647 I shoot the 40gr Lead round nose (lrn) Super extra, I have had pretty decent luck with it. I would consider shooting a copper jacket round every 50-100 rounds to possibly help with lead fouling, but I generally just clean my chamber (the first 2" of the breech) and a full barrel clean when accuracy noticeable takes a nose dive, like every 500 rounds or so. I would test different brands of ammo until you find what your rifle likes and shoots best, then buy plenty for the future
Two questions. I have a CZ 457 16” barrel. What’s the best ammo to use for shooting at distance? I don’t understand how higher grain is subsonic, and how lower grain is faster. I thought it was logical to expect higher velocity/distance w/ higher grain. Im new to shooting and use your channel a lot for knowledge. TY
@@MarshallCantu relatively speaking a heavier bullet is harder to accelerate. So with the same powder the lighter bullet will leave the barrel with more velocity
@@MAWA2024 speed doesnt defeat wind. Wind is only combatted by a higher bc. So the faster you push a low bc projectile the less it can stabilize against it
@@PursuitofAccuracy More speed( high velocity) => more air resistance(drag) => lower BC > bullet deflection and reverse: Less speed( low velocity) => less air resistance(drag) => higher BC < bullet deflection.
@@dalewilson1378think of it like this. If you walk 10 feet in a stong cross wind or run the wind still imparts the same fpece upon you. Speed doesnt defeat that.
@@PursuitofAccuracy I don't mean they should take exactly the same bullet, like .223. Just make it in that shape. You can have something like .17 HMR which shaped something like that and weights even less. There probably must be some ways to make it.
@@PursuitofAccuracy I see. Yeah, that’s cool. But, unfortunately, it’s impossible to get from where I am. And reloading here is forbidden, so… Thanks for the responses anyway. I’m new to this hobby, just got my first firearm ever, it’s 22. Your channel is gold.
Transonic is from about mach 0.8 to mach 1.2 , that is from around 900fps to around 1300fps. So, most .22lr ammo spend it's flying time in the transonic zone, subsonic or HV.
@@L.V-Rider transonic refers to either an object that is decelerating through that range or an object that causes air to flow over it in a way that it's supersonic in one area and subsonic in another. A bullet wouldn't have a shape like that, that's more like a wing, so if it started subsonic it'll never be transonic
@@nk-dw2hm Local pressure point chances still occur, even when just subsonic and that is the big thing about the transonic zone if and when it effects a bullet. With the latest design of bullets it is mostly not a problem. Manufacturers sort of know what they are doing.
In my experience high velocity ammo is better at 300+ yards. There was no advantage using sv. I assume you have seen the Mark & Sam videos. They came to the same conclusion I did. Velocitors were better than both as shown in their video.
Everyone has their own reasons for what they use. The reality of HV ammo. Especially non match hv, is that its subsonic again before it even hits 100 yards. While higher velocity give you a minimally flatter trajectory (assuming the BC of the projectiles are the same) its actually less wind stable than the slower match ammo. So in a world where I cant control wind which is going to be the biggest unknown factor in ELR 22lr shooting why give it an advantage. We know and can calculate drop based on MV very accurately. So id take the extra drop and tof vs a less wind stable higher velocity projectile. All this can be proven with a simple ballistics app or device. Again, to each their own but there is a reason why almost all long range 22lr shooters are using subsonic match ammo. Im also not a guy whos shooting 600 yards regularly but i will say that subsonic ammo is extremely capable for me out to 400+ yards.
Thats why I love 22lr, unless you are shooting under cover of a roof or enclosure, a long barrel and subsonic ammo is music to my ears, then yea, use ear pro, plus he wouldn't look as cool
Put that to the test is any ballistics calculator. Same bullet weight, same BC, more speed = more wind drift. Lots of people think bullet weight is the main cause for wind drift, common misconception but not true.
Inconsistent accuracy with high velocity has always been my biggest issue
Great video Josh.
I just came back from the CMP national championships shooting smallbore. The wind at Camp Perry was at times very stiff and unpredictable. To my knowledge none of the master level competitors use high velocity ammo. Most stick with Eley black match or Red tenex ,Lapua center x, and some R50.
I have confirmed your take on wind drift over the past few years. CCI SV at 1064fps in my rifle vs CCI MiniMag HP in my TC Contender 10” at 1310fps. Wind drift is easily tested here in West Texas because it blows 9 of 10 days. The TCs drift is always more at 100 and 200 that the rifle. Take care!
Thanks Josh. Always appreciate your interesting videos. Blessings
I enjoy your shooting and all your testing. during my 50 some years of hunting and shooting I do pretty good at the Kentucky windage. There has been a few shots that even I have a hard time believing how good the shot turned out. sometimes I even impress my younger brother. LOlssss
Good stuff Josh, best ammo video I’ve seen for a long time!!
I enjoy all your test,fun and informative
Haven’t even watched it yet and already gave it a thumbs up , love the vids brother.
Thanks brother
I've been using SK HV match in my Tippmann M4-22 for NRL22. Performs great! I typically get ~0.8 MOA groups.
I like slow ammo. I did some 100 yard weed eating just for kicks yesterday. I really like that new chronograph, thanks Josh
I enjoy this kind of videos.
It would be good to see a comparison between SK Standard Plus and SK Hight Velocity, but on a varmint CZ457 carbine. 😉 It is also interesting if there are significant differences in the speed of the bullets fired from the CZ455 and CZ457 barrels? 🤔
this fella did a bit of that czcams.com/video/YSuXZAkmQac/video.html
thanks man, much obliged
With my air rifle and 18.13 grain pellets, only 5 FPE from 30fpe to 35fpe makes a huge difference in penetration, so in a hunting scenarios with a .22lr the HV counts for a lot.
Youd be surprised how effective a well placed standard velocity 22lr is
Missed the comparative Orange damage analysis, in close up dissection.
Although really going to be fairly similar.
exellent vid sir very informative
How about shooting some of the hottest 22 round you can fine stuff around 15 to 1800 ft./s. Be interesting to see those results.
Good video mate. Any chance doing some similar with 17 hmr and .22 win mag? mates of mine are having big debate which is better! I personally like hmr but would be good to see and unbiased review.
Fascinating thank you
Nice work Josh.
Thanks!
GR8 VIDEO THNX
@pursuitofaccuracy
Im getting extremely high ES across numerous 22lr ammo types.. (Lapua Center-X, Midas-Plus, Eley Match) as high as 180fps and no less than 100 out of 50 shots from each ammo type..
Shooting through a Shilen 22" barrel with a Volquartsen Summit action...
Lab Radar
Any thoughts as to what's going on?? Headspace? Loading ammo incorrectly in the 10rnd rotary mag? Bad Lab Radar reading?
Love your channel! Thx!
My CZ 457 Varmint MTR needed SK HVM to get out to 400 yards because my scope ran out of elevation, so that’s when I started to like it. It performed better at 400 than SK Long Range Match which ran out of steam at 350
My son speeds shoots steel and prefers CCI Minimags for practice for cost but SK HVM for competitions as the reliability and precision are way better than CCI in his TacSol. He’s hitting 5 steel plate’s between 7 and 25 yards in the 1.2 - 2.05 secs range depending on the stage, but the louder steel thump and precision at those shorter distances helps
It also cycles more reliably when you are getting 5 shots off in 0.7 seconds (0.5 is the time from low ready to first trigger pull so 1.2 seconds total)
You really see the quality and precision of ammo when doing that 3x a week with 500-600 rounds per day
I have taken my cz455 out to 600 yards, with 8/20 rounds impacting my 12x18 target. I suggest the most (at least 30moa scope base). I used a Coldshot 150moa scope base for the 75 feet of drop the bullet needed, and to be able to hold the scope dead center on target and spot my misses. edit- I love my 457 Mtr, 400 yards is a real poke, the difficulty going from 300 to 400 is a huge leap, I can go 10/10 at 300 if the wind plays nice, I'm lucky to string 3 in a row at 400
@@wowguy3562 yeah I just had a cheap Bushnell Engage so the available elevation even with my 30 MOA rail was a joke. I fixed that problem but haven’t been back to the ranch in Texas yet. I can only do 500 at that range though
The cz mtr reccomends not shooting hv in their barrel. Have you had trouble with that?
Should’ve zero that HV ammo at 50 yds to to really tell the difference in bullets drop between
Very well thought out and done video. I have no arguments with the results! BTW, the CCI SGB is my first choice for hunting ammo for squirrels.
Why would one hunting squirrels? Are you eating them? Or do you only have fun in deaden? 🤔
Don't shoot squirrels please thank you
In most places, they are considered pests
Squirrels are quite good as food when properly prepared. SGB is very hard to find in my area. Leads me to believe it's not particularly popular or maybe REALLY popular. It's popular at my house.
I get results that are much more in line with the results that Mark gets from "Mark & Sam" after work and his use of CCI Velocitors, which is what I use for for long distance shooting out of my CZ Royal.
I haven't shot out to 1,000 yards with my rifle and Velocitors like he has, but at similar distances to 500, my accuracy results align with his very well.
I'm not sure that this series of tests aren't a little bias towards target ammo velocities and ignoring results at true long distance for .22lr using high velocity ammo! I would like to see you perform another series of tests, but use all of the popular high velocity .22lr ammo for long range shooting/hunting (Velocitors) and 500 yards for distance. See if your results come out showing something a little different from what you obtained here!
Most the high velocity ammo ive tested has much worse sd and es. Which in my opinion is far more important at distance.
The other less talked about part of that is given the same BC (and these are for the most part) the faster you push the projectile the more wind steerable it becomes.
So given the choice:
Work with more drop that I can account for
Or
Deal with more wind drift that I cant truly account for
Easy choice for me
Part 2 of this is there is a massive amount of variables.
Take 10 shooters and rifles and you would likely get 10 seperate outcomes to that testing.
Rifle A prefers the subs over hv's in terms of accuracy and harmonics
Rifle b prefers HV over subs
Calm vs windy conditions
Wind direction
Etc etc etc
I will test some more and try to change my own opinion on HV ammo.
Any youve seen work really well?
@@PursuitofAccuracy: No debate regarding the difference between hunting grade ammo vs target grade ammo and the consistent performance expectations of either. However, if we toss out the "flyers" we get from high velocity ammo like CCI Velocitors and rely on the shots that are performing as intended, as we would with something along the lines of say, Eley "target" for comparison, all that's left to consider is velocity and trajectory and the inherent accuracy of the rifle used for tests. If we are shooting under as close to ideal conditions as possible, we can either contend with slight winds or shoot from directions that nullify the effects of wind, shooting into or with wind.
I have never in 60+ years of rifle and pistol shooting at long distance, heard of a bullet becoming "wind steerable the faster you push it". This concept is new to me and appears to apply only to .22lr bullets, because I cannot find evidence in any of my collection of loading manuals or ballistic materials that address this phenomena.. My Sierra Manual shows that a 40 grain Hornet bullet @ 2100 fps will deviate 41.99 in. in a 10mph cross wind @ 300 yards and at 3100fps @ 300yards with the same crosswind, it will deviate only 27.48 inches. And looking through various other calibers, this same situation holds true across the centerfire board for both rifle and pistol cartridges.
In fact, with my shooting being concentrated mostly on rimfire in .22lr and that having been a combination of bench and field position shooting at distances from 50 to 500 yards, in my experience, the faster rounds are less susceptible to wind than the slower rounds out to 200 yards or so. I saw the same results in the 70s with CCI 36gr. mini-mags as I do now, they "buck" the wind better than slower rounds do. The CCI "Stinger" was a sought after round because of that attribute as well as it's explosive terminal effect over the mini-mag! So this new phenomena is really confusing to me! I watched you show the ballistic charts that display this phenomena, so I trust you on it, but it's going against all that I know! :)
For all of my long range shooting, I have been using CCI Velocitors 40 grain bullet. I use other brands and bullet types at different distances just for fun, but those are my main cartridges for shooting way out there.
This phenomena regarding wind effects on target velocity .22lr bullets has captured my attention and I'm going to run tests to see what I can learn about it when the weather allows. I'm snowed in and out of my usual locations for conducting these kinds of tests until spring now!
Thanks Josh, I appreciate your informative and well done videos my friend! And Chris does a great job to! :)
@@rt66rc86 thw wind steerability is due to the very low bc of 22lr projectiles.
You can use a ballistics app to test it..
Set a cross wind value of 5 mph and look at the wind hold at 1090 fps and 1190 fps. The difference is noticeable.
Appreciate you watching and commenting
Interesting, but i don’t really consider those high velocity 22lr . Try some cci stingers . That’s more what I think of as high velocity
True, but supersonic is high velocity. 1600fps is blazing
i have been using nothing but the cci velocitor since the came out, after a easy 7500+ rnds i still see no reason to use anything else, i regularly take squirrels at150yds . once you know what your ammo will do its easy to adjust for wind and distance.
Question for you sir. What’s the lowest trigger weight you could obtain on your timney trigger. I’ve heard some people have been able to get it down to 4/5 oz safely 😮
I think he likes to run his triggers about 8 oz, thats my preferred weight, but I do not have a timney, I run a TriggerTech diamond, any lower I get a little leary, but yea, some run theirs a lot lower, I feel 8 oz is plenty
Is that one of the arkens and how is it holding up for you?
The issue is you played the bullet velocities, BCs, and weight to demonstrate this outcome. The interesting result would have been to use the same at different velocities.
Which ammo choices would you have used to allow that?
Mighty shabby hits, looked mostly low. I really like the chrono, so you can't shoot,oranges you are still good at steel
You should see me shoot, I miss every time. But honestly, I think Josh was showing how much drop at 100 yards vs 50 yards, for some reason, I don't dial my scope much, but when he said thats about 1.8 mils, I was smiling, thats my general hold then I fine tune
My 455 hates anything over 1,300fps. Strangely it likes Aguila super extra 40gr really well it doesn't seem to like eley for some reason 🤷
I have had extremely good luck with that ammo, at 3.60 a box it aint bad either
My bull barrels hate the Aquila super extra copper plated, but my American bolt loves it.
@@shannonfritsch6647 I shoot the 40gr Lead round nose (lrn) Super extra, I have had pretty decent luck with it. I would consider shooting a copper jacket round every 50-100 rounds to possibly help with lead fouling, but I generally just clean my chamber (the first 2" of the breech) and a full barrel clean when accuracy noticeable takes a nose dive, like every 500 rounds or so.
I would test different brands of ammo until you find what your rifle likes and shoots best, then buy plenty for the future
Flat nose bullets aren’t a good choice for long range.
You should have use CCI Minimags.
Two questions. I have a CZ 457 16” barrel. What’s the best ammo to use for shooting at distance? I don’t understand how higher grain is subsonic, and how lower grain is faster. I thought it was logical to expect higher velocity/distance w/ higher grain. Im new to shooting and use your channel a lot for knowledge. TY
Test as much subsonic ammo as you can and find what shoots best. Distance is just a math problem
@@PursuitofAccuracy do you know much about why higher grains equal less velocity and why less grains are more velocity?
@@MarshallCantu relatively speaking a heavier bullet is harder to accelerate. So with the same powder the lighter bullet will leave the barrel with more velocity
@@PursuitofAccuracy ohhh so the bullet’s heavier or bigger w/ more grain? That makes sense, if so!
@@MarshallCantu heavier yes
thanks for sharing! why does wind have more of an impact on a faster projectile?
@@MAWA2024 speed doesnt defeat wind. Wind is only combatted by a higher bc. So the faster you push a low bc projectile the less it can stabilize against it
@@MAWA2024 I agree. The longer flight time of a slower projectile should have more time for crosswind to act on it.
@@PursuitofAccuracy More speed( high velocity) => more air resistance(drag) => lower BC > bullet deflection and reverse: Less speed( low velocity) => less air resistance(drag) => higher BC < bullet deflection.
@@dalewilson1378think of it like this. If you walk 10 feet in a stong cross wind or run the wind still imparts the same fpece upon you. Speed doesnt defeat that.
Always a pleasure watching the de videos keep it up 🫡
Newbie question. Why don't they make a .22 LR bullet that shaped like .223, for example? Which has a much better ballictics.
Youd need to make it longer which is going to add a lot of weight. Not much powder to propel a 55 to 77 grain projectile
@@PursuitofAccuracy I don't mean they should take exactly the same bullet, like .223. Just make it in that shape. You can have something like .17 HMR which shaped something like that and weights even less. There probably must be some ways to make it.
@@Demka03 you can get high bc stuff from cutting edge
@@PursuitofAccuracy I see. Yeah, that’s cool. But, unfortunately, it’s impossible to get from where I am. And reloading here is forbidden, so… Thanks for the responses anyway. I’m new to this hobby, just got my first firearm ever, it’s 22. Your channel is gold.
You should have included the .22H hornet
Its on my wishlist
👍
would you ever shoot with a suppressor?
I havent felt the need to get a rimfire suppressor. Its already so quiet
From an accuracy standpoint doesn’t the high velocity ammo suffer due to the bullet going transonic?
That aspect is potentially overblown
Transonic is from about mach 0.8 to mach 1.2 , that is from around 900fps to around 1300fps. So, most .22lr ammo spend it's flying time in the transonic zone, subsonic or HV.
@@L.V-Rider transonic refers to either an object that is decelerating through that range or an object that causes air to flow over it in a way that it's supersonic in one area and subsonic in another. A bullet wouldn't have a shape like that, that's more like a wing, so if it started subsonic it'll never be transonic
@@nk-dw2hm Where do you get to that?
If it start subsonic it still decelerate and changes in airflow and waves still occur.
@@nk-dw2hm Local pressure point chances still occur, even when just subsonic and that is the big thing about the transonic zone if and when it effects a bullet. With the latest design of bullets it is mostly not a problem. Manufacturers sort of know what they are doing.
Josh, what chrono is that?
Its the fx true ballistics
In my experience high velocity ammo is better at 300+ yards. There was no advantage using sv.
I assume you have seen the Mark & Sam videos. They came to the same conclusion I did. Velocitors were better than both as shown in their video.
Everyone has their own reasons for what they use.
The reality of HV ammo. Especially non match hv, is that its subsonic again before it even hits 100 yards.
While higher velocity give you a minimally flatter trajectory (assuming the BC of the projectiles are the same) its actually less wind stable than the slower match ammo.
So in a world where I cant control wind which is going to be the biggest unknown factor in ELR 22lr shooting why give it an advantage.
We know and can calculate drop based on MV very accurately.
So id take the extra drop and tof vs a less wind stable higher velocity projectile.
All this can be proven with a simple ballistics app or device.
Again, to each their own but there is a reason why almost all long range 22lr shooters are using subsonic match ammo.
Im also not a guy whos shooting 600 yards regularly but i will say that subsonic ammo is extremely capable for me out to 400+ yards.
What chronograph is that? Thanks.
The fx true ballistic
@@PursuitofAccuracy Thanks
Which chronograph is that?
Fx true ballistic
Try shooting that orange with a airgun slug way more damage
Depends on the slug design and material compound. The softer the lead alloy the more it expand and the more damage to the orange.
Where is your ear protection?
In my gun room because im kind of dumb sometimes
Any married man appreciates a little loss of hearing😊.
Thats why I love 22lr, unless you are shooting under cover of a roof or enclosure, a long barrel and subsonic ammo is music to my ears, then yea, use ear pro, plus he wouldn't look as cool
Another internet police.
Joke to be shooting off-hand for accuracy comparison...
Every shot taken was from a concrete bench with a bipod and rear bag?
The claimed greater wind drift for high velocity, will only really apply if the bullet itself is lighter.
Put that to the test is any ballistics calculator. Same bullet weight, same BC, more speed = more wind drift.
Lots of people think bullet weight is the main cause for wind drift, common misconception but not true.