I have an old set of KLH speakers and Sub, with a 90s maybe early 2000s Technics receiver, my set up is cheap and old, however, I "upgraded" my sound by simply taking the time to measure out my room, and place the speakers in the proper position in relation to where I am sitting, properly set up the sub crossover frequency and sub volume, made sure that the speakers weren't too close to the wall etc. and it's like I bought a whole new system! I did this "proper" set up maybe two years ago when I first started watching audiophile channels like this one and it has been a whole new experience. Most people buy really expensive gear and place their stuff haphazardly and don't get the full experience of the what they actually own! Now with that said, would I want to upgrade to a McIntosh set up? HELL YEAH! Lol, hopefully someday.
I had a used Conrad Johnson PV10A in my system for over 15 years and was happy with it. In my early 70's i decided if ever I was going to make a substantial difference now was the time. I looked around and fond a used Rogue Audio RP5 and am very happy with that. They are both good but they are also different from each other.
When I was a teenager I had a simple 70's receiver that had 30 watts per channel, and it sounded wonderful. The mechanical switches were super satisfying to use, like the dial of an old telephone. So much more satisfying than modern buttons.
I'm running a Sansui 9090db with four SF2 Sansui omni speakers +2 100 watt subs and I love it !! Since I paid $100 for the receiver and $300 for the speakers, it's a huge win.
Bring back the opening soundtrack audio. It nails the essence of the channel. It possesses this retro hip sound, that dovetails perfectly with the quick visuals. It ain't broke ...
Great topic Steve. Vintage sound colouration = Fun. Lots of value priced 60's, 70's and 80's gear out there that when setup correctly can really get your foot tapping.
My best low cost upgrade was diy room treatment. THAT changed everything for a couple of hundred bucks. I have a small listening room, so the effect was particularly impressive.
My latest upgrade to my 2nd stereo system was adding a Douk ST-01 Pro hybrid tube amp to existing Elac DBR62 stand mount speakers. About 100% improvement in sound. Deeper bass even at low volume, room now shakes, clearer mids. Old amp was Rockville Blutube amp, 30 wpc. Not enough power. New Douk amp rated 200 watts, about 60 wpc to 6 ohm Elac's. Big difference in sound, same speaker. But it sounds like new, different speakers. So upgrades can really make a big difference. Shop and compare first. Enjoy music!
Did this in 2020. Got a Line Magnetic 210ia and a set of Unity Audio whitewater, Opera Consonance wax engine turntable. Yes very different sound than my old system,. More open soundstage instruments. Big change the old system brought the instruments into the room, now it brings me to the concert. I did have to tweak the room with diffusers and absorbers.
As a kid, I had an ERC receiver/turntable from FedCo... upgraded in my teens to a Proton integrated, Pioneer turntable, and Acoustic Research M4 speakers... then I got some Sony digital headphones that blew my mind... but the progression of new gear stopped after I added some Audioengine A2s with Musical Fidelity DAC to my Mac! I have been stuck listening at my desk for years now...One of these days, I'm going to build a nice system!
I just picked up a Pioneer SX 828 receiver like I had in the 70's. Am using Polk T15 ($100/PR) and a Polk 8" Sub. Source is Sony A55 Walkman plugged in Aux. Sounds pretty darn good.
Nice post! The 430 is known in some parts, but it is a sleeper receiver that sounds amazing. Even FM sounds great. The JBL L112 is an excellent pairing.
You got it right. The best was the 70’s era of receivers. Gorgeous thick aluminum fascia plates with solid feeling aluminum switches and knobs that you actually touched. Not like today with remotes and phone controls. You never touch your gear nowadays.
Found some mint Bose 901 series 2 and a Kenwood KR7600 ... had noisy diff pair in one output board. The Bose needed one dust cap glued and the grills were slightly stained ... I also re-capped the active EQ. These speakers hold a lot of old memories for me ... not the best, but at times a relaxing sound ...
DIY speaker building is fun lots of great kits for all abilities. Some don’t require much more than glue and screw together. If you have basic woodworking gear there’s lots of free plans.
Agree completely. I have finally found a good path. I don't fool with the electronics very much (PS Audio Stellar stack), but I have four pair of speakers wired to it. Vastly different types - Zu Omen DW, Ohm Walsh 4.5, Dahquist DQ10, Quad 57. Lots of variety at the flip of a switch.
I'm poor. But I was able to slowly build a vintage stereo system that sounds great. A Realistic SA-2000 amplifier, Realistic TM-1000 tuner, Denon DP-23F turntable (with Ortofon Red stylus), Marantz Imperial 7 speakers. I've probably spent $350 with $100 of that towards the new stylus. I still would like to add an equalizer and tape deck.
Those Realistic pieces from the 70s were really pretty decent actually and that turntable is no slouch either. Want to add an EQ and tape deck? That is easier said then done these days. If you can work on tape decks then with luck you can find a vintage one, but make sure it is a Teac or Pioneer or Nakamichi. Baring that, you could go pro deck with something from Tascam. As for EQs, I loved those things (learn how to properly use them), but the problem is that most added noise to the system. Today, I think your only choice may be either a pro EQ or the Schiit Loki
In 2020 nj, we consider it a miracle to find someone who can repair, recap for a reasonable price with good, skilled repairs. Such skilled labor is way hard to find, not nearly as easily as steve suggests
colored as in big band jazz on an Ev kit Aristrocrat speaker in mono, old gerrard turntable MM heathkit W3M power amp all in mono, was my stepdad's and he gave it to me, minus the speaker, i remember it sounding great and the experience was once in a lifetime
My experience is from the early 2000s, so things may have changed. I bought a REL Stadium 3 sub and it was glorious. The problem was when it failed, out of warranty by a couple of years. I took it to a local repair shop, we still had one back in the day. They contacted Sumiko (the distributor) and could get no info from them except that the one, and only, authorized repair center was in the San Fransisco area. So they removed the blade and shipped it off. The "authorized" repair center bypassed the protection circuit and sent it back. The local repair guy called the guys in San Fransisco and asked it was supposed to make a boom when turned on, they lied to him and said it was normal. Long story short, I got to pay for a bad repair and then buy a new blade to get it fixed right. REL is a great sub, until you need a repair.
Steve is absolutely right about the smooth and luxurious tactile feel of a quality 70's or 80's receiver. Nothing compares to it today. Oddly, some of the nicest feeling recovers I recall were the Realistic line from Radio Shack in the early 80's.
Excellent advice, Steve. I’m 95% a vinyl guy and have been for 30+ yrs, but am going to give the streaming/DAC thing a try soon. I figure the monthly cost of Qobuz or Tidal is less than I spend on records, so it’s at least worth a try. It can be fun to mix vintage and current HiFi gear and see what the results are. I’ve got my Tekton Pendragons hooked up to an old 70’s but fully refurbished Marantz 2220B with an external phono pre running into it right now, and it sounds surprisingly good. Thanks for yet another great vid, Steve! 🎶🔊😁
Steve, I think you should add the music back to the intro. It was quick too, unlike some channels with super long ridiculous intros. Someone below mentioned that it sounded like detective music, which is absolutely perfect, cuz you’re a HiFi detective.
McRican Where you into streaming beforehand, or are you just dipping your toes in the water first? How’re you digging Roon, and we’re you a vinyl or CD guy before trying streaming and a DAC? The only thing that worries me about a streamer and DAC is that I’ve got CD’s, but hardly ever listen to em cuz I prefer the sound of vinyl a lot more. I know it depends on the quality of the DAC, and may try using my CD player as a transport and hook it up to a decent DAC to see the difference. I’ve been looking at the Audiobyte black dragon, which seems to punch way above its weight, but if I’m gonna do it, I’m gonna do it right. What type of DAC are you using? (Sorry about the onslaught of questions)
@@NickP333 I mostly have been a vinyl guy (750+ LPs) in recent years (Blue Note Jazz & Rock mostly). I also have about 1500+ CDs/SACDs, but I don't play them as much as I once did. They are all ripped to a Mac Mini and I have had a Schiit Gungnir DAC for the past few years (Thinking about upgrading to the Yggorasil). I am using Roon to manage it all and it is pretty cool. Easy to stream to other devices, manage the database, recommends new music, etc. This is actually my second go around with Roon, but it is much better now then when I tried it a few years ago. I often use Roon as background music when working at home and don't have time to play vinyl. Thinking about trying Qobuz, but not sold on the idea. Might take them up the free trial first. Hope it helps!
I can't agree more with what you pointed out. I'm a vinyl collector but during the lockdown my son involved me in his Raspberry Pi project. I ended buying one for myself and I started streaming music. I bought a decent DAC, added to the Raspberry and I'm enjoying different music now. I really love my vinyl but streaming is giving me the opportunity of explore music I've never had, listen to music before buying a record that I don't actually like. Difference is always something that makes you richer
He is spot on about owning the '60s '70s and '80s vintage pieces. There's nothing like the look and feel of those vintage stereos and amplifiers. I love my marantz and my pioneer and my Onkyo. I have eight tracks ,cassettes and albums. Not much into digital but after listening to Steve maybe I'll give it a try.
My system is certainly 'budget' for what I paid for it, but I'm happy the sound I have been able to gradually achieve. Its got components from every decade. Dynaco A25 speakers from the early 70s ($50 in 1981), an early 80s Thorens 147D turntable with a B&O cartridge (traded for a midi drum pad, Thorens needed repair), a 1990s Sony CDP-C365 CD player ($25 off Craigslist), a pair of early 2000s Polk RTi28's as back channel speakers ($50), a Yamaha YST SW216 sub from about 10 years ($50), and a Pioneer Elite VSX LX301 AVR receiver from 2 years ago (Best Buy open box return for $189), and a new TC-770 phono pre-amp for $87. Oh, and speaker stands for both sets I made in my workshop for about $25 in materials.
I totally agree. - I got Magnepans and BNS bookshelve speakers. - I got a turntable and cd's. - I got Stax earspeakers for detail and Denon headphones for fast punchy bass. And other headphones. - Got class AB headphones amplifier, Class A amp, tube amplifier I want lots of flavours with the limited budget I got.
Steve,great video!!.I have been preaching the same thing for well over 20 yrs.i have two residences due to my audio obsession.ihave a mobile home that I use for audio listening/upgrades/repairs,etc....most of my friends think I'm insane! I have a huge variety of gear. Klipsch Belle's 2 pairs of Hereseys,Jbll C53's,Ev Marquis.Celestions,Kefs,B&W's,Focal's,LS3 5a's, a pair of very rare Bertagni planar speakers just arrived today.i love finding great system matches with equipment I already own.i get amazed at least once a week with new sonic discoverys.(I used to be an analytical Audiophile that was always critically listening ,instead of just enjoying the music.this hobby doesn't have to cost a lot to create great sound.it's all in system matching.but then again,most people don't have a second residence dedicated to audio.i've been building speakers for years and now I am doing high end headphone mods.thats where the fun is for me.have fun while mixing and matching.dont make the mistake that I did,by looking and drooling over and buying ultra high end stuff that really doesn't warrent the price.
I have s always enjoyed Steve's site.Have been familiar with him through the years..you can trust his wisdom.I am Audiophile all my 60 years.My present system is wonderful.Cerwin Vega speakers,Bang and Olfsen,Yahama disc player..most satisfying.Thank You Steve you are greatly app.And your shirts too.
My life parallels the development of sophisticated sound reproduction. Rainy Saturdays, I'd amuse myself by searching for a less blunt needle for the Victor Talking Machine Victrola phonograph from my grandparent's furniture store that sat in our basement. This was in 1940 and all I had to listen to was the scratchy acoustic phonograph - no electricity and nothing but mechanical horn amplification. Of course, the old 78 rpm classical records were worn-out by then, but I didn't have any reference with which to judge, except the AM radio in our living room. I'm still listening with horns, but they are very fine compression drivers in 118-lbs. cabinets of walnut veneer and they sound just like the symphony concerts, jazz ensembles and chamber groups I've had the privilege to hear in San Diego during my 59-year residence and when I was a young soldier stationed in New York Harbor in the late 50s. So, I have an recent acoustical memory of what's accurate to my ear, not anyone else's. Because my speakers are both efficient and accurate. It only takes one watt to light up my listening room. So, I am able to get great results from my old (1978) Marantz 2220B receiver., Technics SL-1401 turntable and Sony CDP-C545. My point is: why spend thousands and thousands on even more and more elaborate equipment, when you are a senior citizen and your hearing is following the usual downward response curve? Before the Pandemic, I'd have friends in for a music evening and, often times, someone would say, "That's the best recorded music I've ever heard." That makes you feel good, even though it may be the drinks or fine company that's swaying them. There is no need to switch your audio gear frequently, as most of the science of sound reproduction had been investigated by the 1940s and our ears haven't changed essentially in 150,000 years, according to audiologists. Ok, if you are young and have the resources, but when older you may be shooting at a moving target and impossible goal. I've bought the best I could afford, new or used, and stick to the proven brands that have withstood the test of time. I'm a happy listener!
I just did an upgrade that was the same but different: I replaced my Peachtree Nova 150 with a Peachtree Nova 500. The 150 was more than enough to drive my Elac B6.2's but I wanted more, clean, power for now and for the future. I stayed with Peachtree because the connectivity features their line offers works perfectly for me and with everything in one box it saves me real estate. My current listening space is a very difficult room so the 500 also paves the way for when we build a new home with a dedicated music room within the next five years.
Good advice, Steve! I see you're covering the tv screen for critical listening, that one gets me that sideways look from my wife:-) Adding REL powered subs to my systems made huge improvements to the palpability of the music! Far more than the difference between Dacs or tubes.(-:2.2 is best:-) Also try a Chi-Fi tube amp if you're curious about tubes. I run a Silk Audio EL34 amp in my second system in rotation with a Mu-Fi integrated. Then there's long vs short wall room layouts....room treatments....DSP.... Having your music presented differently is fun and helps you hear a new perspective;-)
I just picked up a vintage Kenwood KM-209 power amplifier as a way to get some extra sauce out of my debut 6.2 and holy smokes what a difference. Using the Schiit Asgard 2 as a preamp, the speakers have MUCH better imaging and dynamics over my Onkyo A/V receiver when it was fed via digital coax. Best $60 I have spent to improve the sound of my system.
I got tired of upgrading all the time and purchased a measuring mic that tunes speakers to room with endless modes. Mini dsp mic $75 and free software rew on a macmini and simple 5.1 denon receiver.
@@BubblePuppy. Listen to GR, EQ will always take away from sound, shifting polarities, messing the soundstage... If you have a bad system or if you are a bad listener, EQ will satisfy you
I absolutely love the tactile feel of the switches and buttons on my Kenwood KR-7600 receiver! But it’s time for me to start venturing into newer gear.
I have a vintage dealer in my neighborhood! Unfortunately when the very good stuff comes in it will sell THAT DAY! My plan now is to get stuff of eBay and then send it to him for repair and restoration.
I found my true love in time and phase correct Vandersteen speakers and Magnepan 3.6r- my search ended there in nirvana. I am now in search of a closed headphone - just ordered by LSA headphones and a Magni by Kerrington in Russia. I love my HD600 and my Etymotic Er4s/p - I am done searching. I found the perfect dac - The Topping D90 and wound up changing all the wire which made a huge difference to the D90- TG Audio HSR-I for power, Stealth Audio (rca), and Kimber USB. Power Signals (NY) for amp power wire. I have the Bottlehead Crack with s/b and PASS solid state Class A- I am done searching- happy with all my choices. Do I keep up with reviews- yes. But I am in blissful heaven. Thanks to yours and other great reviews- I am forever grateful for all your work!
Very nice! EQ is so under-utilized. Every system can benefit from EQ. Next begin dabbling into measuring... REW free software is world class, all you do is buy a sub $100 mic. Or, OmniMic, from Parts Express, all in one for $300, zero learning curve, so easy you're up and measuring in less than 5min. www.parts-express.com/dayton-audio-omnimic-v2-acoustic-measurement-system--390-792 I used both extensively. There's a huge community of users glad to help with anything.
Great advice Steve. I’ve mixing it up lately. Been playing mostly LPs for the last few years. Recently been getting into digital again and subscribed to Roon. Thinking about upgrading to a higher end DAC. May subscribe to Qobuz too. About 10 years ago I put together a reasonable priced vintage 70s system as a secondary system, which was a lot fun. After a few years, my son bought it all from me and he is enjoying it now.
Great advice on going vintage I won an ebay auction for a 1979 Scott 420A amplifier paired with a cec ba-300 turntable similar era and could not be happier. No Bluetooth no WiFi streaming no remote you have to physically interact with your music. And buying used vinyl comes with even more interaction there's the search then you must give it a clean before playing to get the best sound. Who was the previous owner did they enjoy the album as much as you do was it passed down to other family members. None of this comes from a digital download there's no connection at all.
Good advice as always. I in fact did go the headphone route (HIFIMAN HE400i) and it did scratch that itch...but then needed to choose a headphone stand. My music sounds differently pleasurable, and my wife is happier when she is working. BTW, I took to heart your recommendation about subwoofers. I just bought an inexpensive Jamo S 808 from Adorama for $94. If it doesn’t float my boat, I guess it could become part of the home theater setup. Bonus: it has a high SAF rating.
Once again, you have thought out of the box... and I can enjoy all of my gear again...I think that this hobby is all out the "right choices"... and the variations are endless..and who wants to make an expensive choice with no way of knowing the what the result will be!!!...all the best...
I just started trying to get the most out of what i already have not only with headphones but with all my gadgets. its funny that this video was recommended right on the day im trying to actually improve with what i have already. been adjusting settings and positions of everything and i been realising that i got all the gear but im not using it to the most of its ability.
McIntosh C35 w/MC 7270 = Total satisfaction for me. The rest...MCD7008 and MR 7082. Non-Mc...Thorens TD126 MkIII and Klipsch Forte II speakers. Headphones? Koss HV1-LCs (10-45K)
Here’s my 3 cents on todays topic (assuming you are not a millionaire): 1. i would never consider not having a few subs in a system 2. 5.1 surround sound is a very cool option if you can dedicate a room to the task. 3. music rooms are more enticing with a video option (there are tons of live concert DVD’s and music video channels 4. add a really nice DAC/headphone combo unit for enhanced headphone listening, streaming and outboarding your CD player optical signal - Great units starting at $800 (Marantz), climbing to $3K (Mytek) 5. vintage speakers good option. Vintage turntables are repair problems. 6. dont cheap out on turntable cartridge - be prepared to fork over $500-1200. just wince and do it, you wont be sorry. 7. you are a fool if you dont introduce or reintroduce vinyl into your listening habits.
Great advice, pretty much what I've been doing for years. I rotate between a vintage tube receiver and modern integrated + DAC, phonostage, and headphone amp. Four sets of speakers made between 1979 and 2020 share the duties. Sources are turntable (with a few carts. in rotation), CDs dowloaded on my laptop, streaming, and radio on the tube receiver. So many lovely flavor options!!
I just upgraded my speakers. From entry level Klipsch Synergy Towers to Rf82 Mk2 Klipsch. Brand new and not a current model so I got them at almost Half Off. Nothing wrong with that method of upgrading and I dig the Klipsch sound. I had Polk S60 Towers & Sold Them--good bass BUT I could not get them to sound right no matter what I did. I like the sonic sound of Klipsch much better.
Or, clean up. here are 7 points that can easily keep an audiophile busy for a year without spending or disinvesting loads of money. And each carries over into new system. My experience with people doing this is, they don't have GAS symptoms for at least two years. 1) Clean up speaker placement. Watch Wilson Audio videos on YT on what they want you to do with their speakers. Do the same with your cheap ones. 2) Clean up reflections. Dampen the first reflection of the speakers between you and the speakers in your room. Ask an assistant that has a mirror and sticky notes. The assistant slides the mirror over surfaces with you in the listening position and when you see the speaker in the mirror, assistant marks that spot with a sticky note. After the floor, take the side walls and most important the back wall. Then ceiling - not necessarily exactly above the floor point. Improvise serious damping material on and around each of these points. These can look tech or like art. 3) Clean up AC. What comes out of your speakers is modulated AC from your amplifier. The amp's power stage rectifies AC but not really into DC. Its rectifier and evening out stages are very limited. If you have access to an oscilloscope, monitor the AC offered on your outlets you use for audio (which is disconnected for the monitoring). Note how dirty the signal is compared to clean 50Hz or 60 c/s AC. When the AC picture is obvious, add one audio component at a time and monitor what junk each of these "transmit" back into your AC at home. Use the information to keep amps and sources separate: analogue from digital from motors. And if you have a component that puts a lot of junk onto the AC, isolate that component with AC filtering. 4) Clean up supports. A component's case is the most expensive part, likely and cheaper ones may be more sensitive to vibration that triggers something called microphony. Prevent microphony with good vibration isolation that does not necessarily have to be expensive. Cheap components may not reveal the benefit if they are not good enough, but you'll be surprised at what they can reveal when you took care of previously mentioned cleaning actions. 5) Clean up amplification. In speakers with analogue crossovers, each "way" could be driven with a separate amplifier. An important property of amplifiers is "damping" - their ability to suppress the energy generated in the speaker's driver as the driver is driven by current, at some point it's inertia makes it a linear dynamo. You can expect woofers to have more inertia than tweeters. Damping that dynamo energy is important as it determines the precision of how wave shapes are formed/reproduced. So instead of moving horizontally, go from one stereo amp to bi-amp. You'll be surprised, assuming your crossover filter allows to be slit for more than one cable, what difference it makes to split damping, throw in more Ampères and run the signal to the woofer over another cable than the tweeter's 6a) Clean up cables and cabling. Really. Between the "clean up AC" and this one, there is some relation, of course, but when you cleaned up the AC until the wall outlet, you're not done. Buy a detector device that tells you where in your wall power lines, electrical leads, are. Switch it on and walk towards your audio component. Note how large the diameter of the electrical interference field of elements is. Power cable, source, power amp. 6b) In some countries, wall outlets allow an AC plug to be plugged one way or 180 degrees turned around. This means one orientation has phase and neutral in the correct way and the other has it in an inconvenient way for audio devices. Especially cheap components. Correct phase alignment between all components makes a big difference. Disconnect all components from AC and audio leads. Power one. Take the detector from 6a and measure at what distance (inches) the detector detects an electromagnetic field as you approach the component with the detector. Swap the AC plug around and measure again. The shortest distance is the correct one. When all are done (and labelled) make sure your AC power distribution things are all properly aligned as well. I replaced audio outlets in my house for those from another country so as to not have to worry about this any more. 7) Clean up your media you use to review your system and its setup. Go away from euphonic recordings used to sell high-end audio. Such recordings sound excellent on any kit. Look for acoustic music recorded with 2 microphones only with no effect processing. No multitrack recordings that have been placed into the soundstage with a pan-pot (panoramic potentiometer) and I don't care if the pot meter is of Cello Audio Palette qualities. Don't. Stay away. Avoid. You need proper phase information and spatial clues that you only get from acoustic recordings. This does not mean the music/programme is acoustic - it just references the recording. Make sure you have recordings from different venues (in size and character). Simple and complex music. Etc. When you've done all this, you may find that 6b had the most dramatic effect (assuming the connections had been 50% mess). Having done the others makes it all the more audible. The problem with 6b (phase and neutral) is how audio AC devices connect part of their circuits to something called "ground", then ground to chassis and connect ground between components via one of the audio links (IIRC the shield of the left channel). Swapping orientation causes "potential differences" between devices that causes current to flow and this causes undesired audio effects. Loudness, hum, are just two possibilities.
Good advice. I actually brought my vintage stuff out of the closet a few weeks ago. Lol. Surprised how much I’m enjoying it. Some records pop with the warmer tone. And right on about the adding a sub. IMHO a system isn’t complete without one. Or even 2 or more are better for med-large rooms. I always tell guys with towers that say they are enough “a classic muscle car is enough but they are always better with a supercharger “ lol. like Steve said you don’t know what your missing.
If you can repair, then buy cosmetically very good vintage audio from an un-reputable seller (not a bad one, just an obscure one). That is (almost) more addictive than the whole audio it self, just to see what you get and the state it is in. One of the components I like the most that I bought like that is an Akai AP-004 turntable made by CEC in the early 70's. It not particular high end but talking about looks and feel to it, there is not a lot that beats it in that domain. Also, you can start modding your speakers by simply upgrading the filter components with better quality ones with the same electrical parameters.
I went backwards to upgrade because the towers I had were way too powerful for the size of room I'm using them in. My bedroom setup is killer with a vintage 80's Pioneer and hooked up a pair of NHT SuperOnes 2.0 and I love it. The SuperOnes are acoustically sealed and although their bass isn't fantastic the bass they have is superbly tight.
On a slightly different note, the greatest upgrade many people could make is sitting closer to their speakers. Fewer issues with room reflections, wider sound stage, etc. I understand that your couch is bang up against the wall and you cannot move it around. Just get a foldable chair, plonk it down wherever you want when you want to listen.
@@leonciobarrera7965 You don't need to turn it up too much to get high SPL at your listening position. The tricky part may be finding spots for the speakers and your chair where bass is in balance.
@@gaborozorai3714 I like my music Loud. It's more realistic that way. But during late night listening I also listened near field with my Proac D2R speakers and SET amp. Day time its the Bryston and Living Voice plus dual REL sub for me at high volume.
@@leonciobarrera7965 You obviously have the space for appropriately placing speakers and your listening spot. My advice was for those who do not and therefore have issues with reflections from room boundaries, limited stage width and depth etc. I was not implying that the energy and size of Living Voice and RELs in a larger room cannot be replicated in a near field setup even if sheer SPL can.
Fantastic Advice! I also believe there is huge value in vintage equipment. You will never be able to experience the full force of the music attack from a speaker without a high current amplifier. Mark Levenson, Krell, McIntosh to name a few. The used market is full of amazing deals on 10 to 30 year old audio equipment. Amplifiers are only a small sample of great deals out there. Don't be scared! Do some research and jump in! Great advice from Steve!!!
One thing about buying a vintage amp is you will surely need to replaced or upgrade most of the original Caps and resistors. And after you do that it doesn't sound vintage anymore.. That is base on my friends experienced with his Dynaco Mark III monoblock.
I recently purchased a vintage Griffith 4ch stereo receiver for £50 needed new output valves cost £20 for the 4 and oh my god the sound is unbelievable. Such a pleasure to listen to has a warm comfortable tone like being hugged by the sound and considering its rated at 2x 50w it plays loud really loud
My stereo equipment is 1970s. All recapped. JBL L65, Pioneer 9500IIs, Technics 1950 turntable. Wife thinks they are all ugly. I am thinking about modern or one of your crazy tube amplifiers. Oh, and when you talk about remote control; lack of, lol.
Hello, Steve please do a review of the Tekton Speaker on the background first please. Please do more reviews on Tekton speakers like the Moab, Double Impact and one in the picture (Bang for the buck). I have both the CD and turntable, but I like the CD. No pops or high maintenance, my CD is the Ayon CD-5s cost around 15K when new. This CD player reproduce sound as good as vinyl or better than vinyl. Please review audio gear around 5k or 10k mark, as some of the audiophile like me have passed the budget range and looking for the next upgrade to get closer to the music. Thank You keep your videos coming.
Go horizontal instead of vertical - excellent advice. I have several vintage gears they sound better to my taste if in correct condition. I also go reel to reel. Very engaging hobby
I needed a amp to drive my newly acquired Magnepan .7's as my tube amp just didn't have enough power. I found a Spectron Musical MK ll class D amp for less than a pair of decent speakers wires! Maggie's devour power!! And this has watts and current in spades!! My big concern is the amp is 15 years old and could go up in a puff of smoke! But I'm praying it doesn't I still own a VAC PA 80 80 tube amp and ARC LS15 tube pre amp that I bought in 1994 and they are still going strong
I got quad esl 57’s to compliment my klipschorns. Grado/beyeredynamic/planar magnetics to compliment my sennheisers. But either way, head phone or main system, it’s always tubes. Gotta love tubes
I'm so far behind the curve I ended up in front of it! My gear is almost (?) vintage. Maybe 25 y.o. Conrad-Johnson PV10 and SA 250 amp feeding a kit Dynaudio 2-way floorstand speakers. One big factor in vintage...when you need a rebuild you have few options. BTW - how come C-J doesn't get the love / mentions of other 'audiophile' gear?
Good advice, but I have had tubes, Solid State, Planer, metal dome, compression driver., open baffle, most everything and have a good system now I would never change my speakers Hyperion hps-738 which are very laid back but so refined I will change other components but not my speakers.I listen to vinyl and digital, and use a sub which everyone should have great advice!
ROOM TREATMENTS ... even rearranging your furniture is where the biggest bang for your buck is. and from the looks of the viewer systems published on this channel id say its the one thing people seem very very averse to explore. you dont know what youre missing folks!
Hi Steve, thank you very much, I like so much your videos, you are so focused on the feeling, on the experience, on how the music can come inside of us....It's really a pleasure ti hear you, even if I don't understand everything (for my language limits, I'm from Italy...). Thank you
Still have, still great late 80s RSL Elan floorstanding speakers with passive RSL subwoofer. Yamaha M65, C65 separates. “May” replace Elan with Klipsch Forte III. But expensive at $4000.
Tektons, I heard (thanks for that still) a complete home theater setup build with tekton. It was a seller I got a mmgi magnepan from. That dude had all top models of tekton in his cinema room. It’s insane the amount of displacement they produce
honestly, most people should spend some $ on acoustic treatment before swapping or upgrading gear. for the vast majority, some bass traps and broadband panels will bring new life to any existing system with immediate and significant sound quality gains . That would be the first upgrade Id suggest and the benefits will still be applicable to any future upgrades or gear swaps as well.
I like this kind of talk! I do not know why I really do not like your interviews with all those creators such as Nelson Pass, the Elac guy or the Roy from Klipsch.
By way,I am pretty impressed with the Bertagni bi polar planers I got today.very detailed and seamless!great build quality.too bad they never took off.i saw them on e bay, thought they were interesting,and took a chance.i'm glad I did!
I agree I have £8000 home cinema and love music on it but it really is virtually a perfect way of listening to music in a different way. With quiet comfort 15 it sounded like I was in a treated room lol big difference no reflections lol
Love your work - again! I love old b&o kit, not just for the sound, which is way better than most audiophiles generally acknowledge. Don’t forget DIY upgrades too. Cables are a fantastic place to start - they are easy peasy compared to, say, tonearms...
I have an old set of KLH speakers and Sub, with a 90s maybe early 2000s Technics receiver, my set up is cheap and old, however, I "upgraded" my sound by simply taking the time to measure out my room, and place the speakers in the proper position in relation to where I am sitting, properly set up the sub crossover frequency and sub volume, made sure that the speakers weren't too close to the wall etc. and it's like I bought a whole new system! I did this "proper" set up maybe two years ago when I first started watching audiophile channels like this one and it has been a whole new experience. Most people buy really expensive gear and place their stuff haphazardly and don't get the full experience of the what they actually own! Now with that said, would I want to upgrade to a McIntosh set up? HELL YEAH! Lol, hopefully someday.
@Matthew G.Garcia I totally agree with you.I did the same to. my speaker setup.I`m now hearing albums like it was the first time I played them.
Can you provide a link or a good guide that helps explain some of the principles you applied in setting up your system?
I would also be interested in knowing how one would go about setting the speakers up for optimum performance based on the rooms dimensions.
I just did this as well.
This is some of the best advise you are EVER going to get to "improve" your system.
In short: Mix it up a little!
Always impressed by Steve’s ability to find insightful new things to say about hi-fi.
I had a used Conrad Johnson PV10A in my system for over 15 years and was happy with it. In my early 70's i decided if ever I was going to make a substantial difference now was the time. I looked around and fond a used Rogue Audio RP5 and am very happy with that. They are both good but they are also different from each other.
When I was a teenager I had a simple 70's receiver that had 30 watts per channel, and it sounded wonderful. The mechanical switches were super satisfying to use, like the dial of an old telephone. So much more satisfying than modern buttons.
I loved my original Marantz 2220 from 1972. I upgraded stereo systems over the years but always kept the Marantz.
Every episode is a pearl. This helps enormously, the perspective of someone who has been there and done that.
I'm running a Sansui 9090db with four SF2 Sansui omni speakers +2 100 watt subs and I love it !! Since I paid $100 for the receiver and $300 for the speakers, it's a huge win.
Bring back the opening soundtrack audio.
It nails the essence of the channel. It possesses this retro hip sound, that dovetails perfectly with the quick visuals.
It ain't broke ...
Great topic Steve. Vintage sound colouration = Fun. Lots of value priced 60's, 70's and 80's gear out there that when setup correctly can really get your foot tapping.
My best low cost upgrade was diy room treatment. THAT changed everything for a couple of hundred bucks. I have a small listening room, so the effect was particularly impressive.
Good advice! I love the Yamaha CR2040 ($175 ) and the KEF 104/2 ($400 ) I picked up off CL. A very familiar sound I really enjoy.
My latest upgrade to my 2nd stereo system was adding a Douk ST-01 Pro hybrid tube amp to existing Elac DBR62 stand mount speakers. About 100% improvement in sound. Deeper bass even at low volume, room now shakes, clearer mids. Old amp was Rockville Blutube amp, 30 wpc. Not enough power. New Douk amp rated 200 watts, about 60 wpc to 6 ohm Elac's. Big difference in sound, same speaker. But it sounds like new, different speakers. So upgrades can really make a big difference. Shop and compare first. Enjoy music!
Did this in 2020. Got a Line Magnetic 210ia and a set of Unity Audio whitewater, Opera Consonance wax engine turntable. Yes very different sound than my old system,. More open soundstage instruments. Big change the old system brought the instruments into the room, now it brings me to the concert. I did have to tweak the room with diffusers and absorbers.
As a kid, I had an ERC receiver/turntable from FedCo... upgraded in my teens to a Proton integrated, Pioneer turntable, and Acoustic Research M4 speakers... then I got some Sony digital headphones that blew my mind... but the progression of new gear stopped after I added some Audioengine A2s with Musical Fidelity DAC to my Mac! I have been stuck listening at my desk for years now...One of these days, I'm going to build a nice system!
I just picked up a Pioneer SX 828 receiver like I had in the 70's. Am using Polk T15 ($100/PR) and a Polk 8" Sub. Source is Sony A55 Walkman plugged in Aux. Sounds pretty darn good.
My bedroom system consists of Harmon-Kardon 430 receiver from late 70’s and pair FMI 80’s book shelf speakers. The source is Tascam CD player.
Nice post! The 430 is known in some parts, but it is a sleeper receiver that sounds amazing. Even FM sounds great. The JBL L112 is an excellent pairing.
You got it right. The best was the 70’s era of receivers. Gorgeous thick aluminum fascia plates with solid feeling aluminum switches and knobs that you actually touched. Not like today with remotes and phone controls. You never touch your gear nowadays.
Found some mint Bose 901 series 2 and a Kenwood KR7600 ... had noisy diff pair in one output board. The Bose needed one dust cap glued and the grills were slightly stained ... I also re-capped the active EQ. These speakers hold a lot of old memories for me ... not the best, but at times a relaxing sound ...
I love the sensuous connection to sound you get with knobs. It's almost like you can just reach out and shape it with your fingertips.
DIY speaker building is fun lots of great kits for all abilities. Some don’t require much more than glue and screw together. If you have basic woodworking gear there’s lots of free plans.
Agree completely. I have finally found a good path. I don't fool with the electronics very much (PS Audio Stellar stack), but I have four pair of speakers wired to it. Vastly different types -
Zu Omen DW, Ohm Walsh 4.5, Dahquist DQ10, Quad 57. Lots of variety at the flip of a switch.
All very good advise. Biggest bang for your buck is still acoustic treatment - and not the cheap foam shit. Get a few real panels, worth it.
amen
That's what I did. My second pair of audiophile level speakers were Magnepan MMGs. Instead of trying to get a nicer cone.
I'm poor. But I was able to slowly build a vintage stereo system that sounds great. A Realistic SA-2000 amplifier, Realistic TM-1000 tuner, Denon DP-23F turntable (with Ortofon Red stylus), Marantz Imperial 7 speakers. I've probably spent $350 with $100 of that towards the new stylus. I still would like to add an equalizer and tape deck.
the used market is great, especially the 10+ year old suff. Gear that was in the thousands selling for under $100.
Those Realistic pieces from the 70s were really pretty decent actually and that turntable is no slouch either. Want to add an EQ and tape deck? That is easier said then done these days. If you can work on tape decks then with luck you can find a vintage one, but make sure it is a Teac or Pioneer or Nakamichi. Baring that, you could go pro deck with something from Tascam. As for EQs, I loved those things (learn how to properly use them), but the problem is that most added noise to the system. Today, I think your only choice may be either a pro EQ or the Schiit Loki
@@ericelliott227 Thanks for the advice.
Why EQ?
Only for "the looks"?
@@jareknowak8712 Seems to do wonders on my brother's vintage stereo. My system is a little heavy on the bass hoping it will help.
In 2020 nj, we consider it a miracle to find someone who can repair, recap for a reasonable price with good, skilled repairs. Such skilled labor is way hard to find, not nearly as easily as steve suggests
colored as in big band jazz on an Ev kit Aristrocrat speaker in mono, old gerrard turntable MM heathkit W3M power amp all in mono, was my stepdad's and he gave it to me, minus the speaker, i remember it sounding great and the experience was once in a lifetime
My experience is from the early 2000s, so things may have changed. I bought a REL Stadium 3 sub and it was glorious. The problem was when it failed, out of warranty by a couple of years. I took it to a local repair shop, we still had one back in the day. They contacted Sumiko (the distributor) and could get no info from them except that the one, and only, authorized repair center was in the San Fransisco area. So they removed the blade and shipped it off. The "authorized" repair center bypassed the protection circuit and sent it back. The local repair guy called the guys in San Fransisco and asked it was supposed to make a boom when turned on, they lied to him and said it was normal. Long story short, I got to pay for a bad repair and then buy a new blade to get it fixed right. REL is a great sub, until you need a repair.
homestly ive never heard a sub that coukd successfully integrate with any pair of speakers.
Steve is absolutely right about the smooth and luxurious tactile feel of a quality 70's or 80's receiver. Nothing compares to it today. Oddly, some of the nicest feeling recovers I recall were the Realistic line from Radio Shack in the early 80's.
I miss radio shack!!!
Go go Tandy
Excellent advice, Steve. I’m 95% a vinyl guy and have been for 30+ yrs, but am going to give the streaming/DAC thing a try soon. I figure the monthly cost of Qobuz or Tidal is less than I spend on records, so it’s at least worth a try.
It can be fun to mix vintage and current HiFi gear and see what the results are. I’ve got my Tekton Pendragons hooked up to an old 70’s but fully refurbished Marantz 2220B with an external phono pre running into it right now, and it sounds surprisingly good.
Thanks for yet another great vid, Steve! 🎶🔊😁
Steve, I think you should add the music back to the intro. It was quick too, unlike some channels with super long ridiculous intros. Someone below mentioned that it sounded like detective music, which is absolutely perfect, cuz you’re a HiFi detective.
I’m looking at Qobuz too. I recently subscribed to Roon too. Gotta mix it up a bit.
McRican
Where you into streaming beforehand, or are you just dipping your toes in the water first? How’re you digging Roon, and we’re you a vinyl or CD guy before trying streaming and a DAC? The only thing that worries me about a streamer and DAC is that I’ve got CD’s, but hardly ever listen to em cuz I prefer the sound of vinyl a lot more. I know it depends on the quality of the DAC, and may try using my CD player as a transport and hook it up to a decent DAC to see the difference. I’ve been looking at the Audiobyte black dragon, which seems to punch way above its weight, but if I’m gonna do it, I’m gonna do it right. What type of DAC are you using? (Sorry about the onslaught of questions)
@@NickP333 I mostly have been a vinyl guy (750+ LPs) in recent years (Blue Note Jazz & Rock mostly). I also have about 1500+ CDs/SACDs, but I don't play them as much as I once did. They are all ripped to a Mac Mini and I have had a Schiit Gungnir DAC for the past few years (Thinking about upgrading to the Yggorasil). I am using Roon to manage it all and it is pretty cool. Easy to stream to other devices, manage the database, recommends new music, etc. This is actually my second go around with Roon, but it is much better now then when I tried it a few years ago. I often use Roon as background music when working at home and don't have time to play vinyl. Thinking about trying Qobuz, but not sold on the idea. Might take them up the free trial first. Hope it helps!
I can't agree more with what you pointed out. I'm a vinyl collector but during the lockdown my son involved me in his Raspberry Pi project. I ended buying one for myself and I started streaming music. I bought a decent DAC, added to the Raspberry and I'm enjoying different music now. I really love my vinyl but streaming is giving me the opportunity of explore music I've never had, listen to music before buying a record that I don't actually like. Difference is always something that makes you richer
Very interesting advice. Fascinating. Steve's really got the left hand working in this one.
Always appreciate a plug for good headphones.
I've been starting my audiophile journey with good headphones. I currently have the AKG K712 Pros, they're awesome, and don't break the bank!
He is spot on about owning the '60s '70s and '80s vintage pieces. There's nothing like the look and feel of those vintage stereos and amplifiers. I love my marantz and my pioneer and my Onkyo. I have eight tracks ,cassettes and albums. Not much into digital but after listening to Steve maybe I'll give it a try.
My system is certainly 'budget' for what I paid for it, but I'm happy the sound I have been able to gradually achieve. Its got components from every decade. Dynaco A25 speakers from the early 70s ($50 in 1981), an early 80s Thorens 147D turntable with a B&O cartridge (traded for a midi drum pad, Thorens needed repair), a 1990s Sony CDP-C365 CD player ($25 off Craigslist), a pair of early 2000s Polk RTi28's as back channel speakers ($50), a Yamaha YST SW216 sub from about 10 years ($50), and a Pioneer Elite VSX LX301 AVR receiver from 2 years ago (Best Buy open box return for $189), and a new TC-770 phono pre-amp for $87. Oh, and speaker stands for both sets I made in my workshop for about $25 in materials.
I totally agree.
- I got Magnepans and BNS bookshelve speakers.
- I got a turntable and cd's.
- I got Stax earspeakers for detail and Denon headphones for fast punchy bass. And other headphones.
- Got class AB headphones amplifier, Class A amp, tube amplifier
I want lots of flavours with the limited budget I got.
Steve,great video!!.I have been preaching the same thing for well over 20 yrs.i have two residences due to my audio obsession.ihave a mobile home that I use for audio listening/upgrades/repairs,etc....most of my friends think I'm insane! I have a huge variety of gear. Klipsch Belle's 2 pairs of Hereseys,Jbll C53's,Ev Marquis.Celestions,Kefs,B&W's,Focal's,LS3 5a's, a pair of very rare Bertagni planar speakers just arrived today.i love finding great system matches with equipment I already own.i get amazed at least once a week with new sonic discoverys.(I used to be an analytical Audiophile that was always critically listening ,instead of just enjoying the music.this hobby doesn't have to cost a lot to create great sound.it's all in system matching.but then again,most people don't have a second residence dedicated to audio.i've been building speakers for years and now I am doing high end headphone mods.thats where the fun is for me.have fun while mixing and matching.dont make the mistake that I did,by looking and drooling over and buying ultra high end stuff that really doesn't warrent the price.
I have s always enjoyed Steve's site.Have been familiar with him through the years..you can trust his wisdom.I am Audiophile all my 60 years.My present system is wonderful.Cerwin Vega speakers,Bang and Olfsen,Yahama disc player..most satisfying.Thank You Steve you are greatly app.And your shirts too.
And-my Onkyo receiver can be used with Bluetooth from my iPhone and Ipad.Works REALLY well!Sound is better than I thought it would be.
1990s being referred to as vintage, wow I feel old!
My life parallels the development of sophisticated sound reproduction. Rainy Saturdays, I'd amuse myself by searching for a less blunt needle for the Victor Talking Machine Victrola phonograph from my grandparent's furniture store that sat in our basement. This was in 1940 and all I had to listen to was the scratchy acoustic phonograph - no electricity and nothing but mechanical horn amplification. Of course, the old 78 rpm classical records were worn-out by then, but I didn't have any reference with which to judge, except the AM radio in our living room. I'm still listening with horns, but they are very fine compression drivers in 118-lbs. cabinets of walnut veneer and they sound just like the symphony concerts, jazz ensembles and chamber groups I've had the privilege to hear in San Diego during my 59-year residence and when I was a young soldier stationed in New York Harbor in the late 50s. So, I have an recent acoustical memory of what's accurate to my ear, not anyone else's. Because my speakers are both efficient and accurate. It only takes one watt to light up my listening room. So, I am able to get great results from my old (1978) Marantz 2220B receiver., Technics SL-1401 turntable and Sony CDP-C545. My point is: why spend thousands and thousands on even more and more elaborate equipment, when you are a senior citizen and your hearing is following the usual downward response curve? Before the Pandemic, I'd have friends in for a music evening and, often times, someone would say, "That's the best recorded music I've ever heard."
That makes you feel good, even though it may be the drinks or fine company that's swaying them. There is no need to switch your audio gear frequently, as most of the science of sound reproduction had been investigated by the 1940s and our ears haven't changed essentially in 150,000 years, according to audiologists. Ok, if you are young and have the resources, but when older you may be shooting at a moving target and impossible goal. I've bought the best I could afford, new or used, and stick to the proven brands that have withstood the test of time. I'm a happy listener!
I just did an upgrade that was the same but different: I replaced my Peachtree Nova 150 with a Peachtree Nova 500. The 150 was more than enough to drive my Elac B6.2's but I wanted more, clean, power for now and for the future. I stayed with Peachtree because the connectivity features their line offers works perfectly for me and with everything in one box it saves me real estate. My current listening space is a very difficult room so the 500 also paves the way for when we build a new home with a dedicated music room within the next five years.
Good advice, Steve!
I see you're covering the tv screen for critical listening, that one gets me that sideways look from my wife:-)
Adding REL powered subs to my systems made huge improvements to the palpability of the music! Far more than the difference between Dacs or tubes.(-:2.2 is best:-)
Also try a Chi-Fi tube amp if you're curious about tubes. I run a Silk Audio EL34 amp in my second system in rotation with a Mu-Fi integrated.
Then there's long vs short wall room layouts....room treatments....DSP....
Having your music presented differently is fun and helps you hear a new perspective;-)
@@Fat Rat
I'll try, but Skankin's more my style 😃
Thanks!
I just picked up a vintage Kenwood KM-209 power amplifier as a way to get some extra sauce out of my debut 6.2 and holy smokes what a difference. Using the Schiit Asgard 2 as a preamp, the speakers have MUCH better imaging and dynamics over my Onkyo A/V receiver when it was fed via digital coax. Best $60 I have spent to improve the sound of my system.
Open baffle or omnidirectional is a great upgrade for different.
Well you can start with a magnepan , di pole
And line source
I got tired of upgrading all the time and purchased a measuring mic that tunes speakers to room with endless modes. Mini dsp mic $75 and free software rew on a macmini and simple 5.1 denon receiver.
The two best additions I made to my system... 1. Acoustic treatment for my room 2. DSP equalisation
Digital EQ will make a HUGE difference.....the people selling hifi don't mention EQ .. as they want you to keep buying new things
@@BubblePuppy. Listen to GR, EQ will always take away from sound, shifting polarities, messing the soundstage... If you have a bad system or if you are a bad listener, EQ will satisfy you
Thanks for this great video. It's a great way to learn more about audio, to maximize happiness, and experience. Great advice.
I absolutely love the tactile feel of the switches and buttons on my Kenwood KR-7600 receiver! But it’s time for me to start venturing into newer gear.
UPgrading is valid, and exciting! But going "sideways" along the same performance level is valid, too.
I have a vintage dealer in my neighborhood! Unfortunately when the very good stuff comes in it will sell THAT DAY! My plan now is to get stuff of eBay and then send it to him for repair and restoration.
This is one of the best advice pieces I've ever seen!
I found my true love in time and phase correct Vandersteen speakers and Magnepan 3.6r- my search ended there in nirvana. I am now in search of a closed headphone - just ordered by LSA headphones and a Magni by Kerrington in Russia. I love my HD600 and my Etymotic Er4s/p - I am done searching. I found the perfect dac - The Topping D90 and wound up changing all the wire which made a huge difference to the D90- TG Audio HSR-I for power, Stealth Audio (rca), and Kimber USB. Power Signals (NY) for amp power wire. I have the Bottlehead Crack with s/b and PASS solid state Class A- I am done searching- happy with all my choices. Do I keep up with reviews- yes. But I am in blissful heaven. Thanks to yours and other great reviews- I am forever grateful for all your work!
Ironically, i just stumbled on a discussion tonight about the Topping D90. Never heard of them before. Sounds intriguing for the price.
Good advice. I recently added a graphic equalizer (remember them) into my system and, for me, its been a game changer.
Very nice!
EQ is so under-utilized. Every system can benefit from EQ.
Next begin dabbling into measuring... REW free software is world class, all you do is buy a sub $100 mic.
Or, OmniMic, from Parts Express, all in one for $300, zero learning curve, so easy you're up and measuring in less than 5min.
www.parts-express.com/dayton-audio-omnimic-v2-acoustic-measurement-system--390-792
I used both extensively. There's a huge community of users glad to help with anything.
Great advice Steve. I’ve mixing it up lately. Been playing mostly LPs for the last few years. Recently been getting into digital again and subscribed to Roon. Thinking about upgrading to a higher end DAC. May subscribe to Qobuz too. About 10 years ago I put together a reasonable priced vintage 70s system as a secondary system, which was a lot fun. After a few years, my son bought it all from me and he is enjoying it now.
Great advice on going vintage I won an ebay auction for a 1979 Scott 420A amplifier paired with a cec ba-300 turntable similar era and could not be happier. No Bluetooth no WiFi streaming no remote you have to physically interact with your music. And buying used vinyl comes with even more interaction there's the search then you must give it a clean before playing to get the best sound. Who was the previous owner did they enjoy the album as much as you do was it passed down to other family members. None of this comes from a digital download there's no connection at all.
Good advice as always. I in fact did go the headphone route (HIFIMAN HE400i) and it did scratch that itch...but then needed to choose a headphone stand. My music sounds differently pleasurable, and my wife is happier when she is working.
BTW, I took to heart your recommendation about subwoofers. I just bought an inexpensive Jamo S 808 from Adorama for $94. If it doesn’t float my boat, I guess it could become part of the home theater setup. Bonus: it has a high SAF rating.
Your command of drivel is outstanding
Once again, you have thought out of the box... and I can enjoy all of my gear again...I think that this hobby is all out the "right choices"... and the variations are endless..and who wants to make an expensive choice with no way of knowing the what the result will be!!!...all the best...
Great advice, and one of the subtlest sponsored marketing video. Well done Steve.
I just started trying to get the most out of what i already have not only with headphones but with all my gadgets. its funny that this video was recommended right on the day im trying to actually improve with what i have already. been adjusting settings and positions of everything and i been realising that i got all the gear but im not using it to the most of its ability.
McIntosh C35 w/MC 7270 = Total satisfaction for me. The rest...MCD7008 and MR 7082. Non-Mc...Thorens TD126 MkIII and Klipsch Forte II speakers. Headphones? Koss HV1-LCs (10-45K)
Here’s my 3 cents on todays topic (assuming you are not a millionaire):
1. i would never consider not having a few subs in a system
2. 5.1 surround sound is a very cool option if you can dedicate a room to the task.
3. music rooms are more enticing with a video option (there are tons of live concert DVD’s and music video channels
4. add a really nice DAC/headphone combo unit for enhanced headphone listening, streaming and outboarding your CD player optical signal - Great units starting at $800 (Marantz), climbing to $3K (Mytek)
5. vintage speakers good option. Vintage turntables are repair problems.
6. dont cheap out on turntable cartridge - be prepared to fork over $500-1200. just wince and do it, you wont be sorry.
7. you are a fool if you dont introduce or reintroduce vinyl into your listening habits.
Great advice, pretty much what I've been doing for years. I rotate between a vintage tube receiver and modern integrated + DAC, phonostage, and headphone amp. Four sets of speakers made between 1979 and 2020 share the duties. Sources are turntable (with a few carts. in rotation), CDs dowloaded on my laptop, streaming, and radio on the tube receiver. So many lovely flavor options!!
I went from Wilson Alexia to Bose. Couldn't be happier. It was a real upgrade.
LOL
I just upgraded my speakers. From entry level Klipsch Synergy Towers to Rf82 Mk2 Klipsch.
Brand new and not a current model so I got them at almost Half Off.
Nothing wrong with that method of upgrading and I dig the Klipsch sound.
I had Polk S60 Towers & Sold Them--good bass BUT
I could not get them to sound right no matter what I did.
I like the sonic sound of Klipsch much better.
1992 Kenwood receiver, 100 watts of AB power at 8 ohm, driving Elac UF5. ♥️
Kr 5060?
The sub advice is so true! I never had one till I recently added a Tekton 2-10 sub... And WOW night and day.
Or, clean up. here are 7 points that can easily keep an audiophile busy for a year without spending or disinvesting loads of money. And each carries over into new system. My experience with people doing this is, they don't have GAS symptoms for at least two years.
1) Clean up speaker placement. Watch Wilson Audio videos on YT on what they want you to do with their speakers. Do the same with your cheap ones.
2) Clean up reflections. Dampen the first reflection of the speakers between you and the speakers in your room. Ask an assistant that has a mirror and sticky notes. The assistant slides the mirror over surfaces with you in the listening position and when you see the speaker in the mirror, assistant marks that spot with a sticky note. After the floor, take the side walls and most important the back wall. Then ceiling - not necessarily exactly above the floor point. Improvise serious damping material on and around each of these points. These can look tech or like art.
3) Clean up AC. What comes out of your speakers is modulated AC from your amplifier. The amp's power stage rectifies AC but not really into DC. Its rectifier and evening out stages are very limited. If you have access to an oscilloscope, monitor the AC offered on your outlets you use for audio (which is disconnected for the monitoring). Note how dirty the signal is compared to clean 50Hz or 60 c/s AC. When the AC picture is obvious, add one audio component at a time and monitor what junk each of these "transmit" back into your AC at home. Use the information to keep amps and sources separate: analogue from digital from motors. And if you have a component that puts a lot of junk onto the AC, isolate that component with AC filtering.
4) Clean up supports. A component's case is the most expensive part, likely and cheaper ones may be more sensitive to vibration that triggers something called microphony. Prevent microphony with good vibration isolation that does not necessarily have to be expensive. Cheap components may not reveal the benefit if they are not good enough, but you'll be surprised at what they can reveal when you took care of previously mentioned cleaning actions.
5) Clean up amplification. In speakers with analogue crossovers, each "way" could be driven with a separate amplifier. An important property of amplifiers is "damping" - their ability to suppress the energy generated in the speaker's driver as the driver is driven by current, at some point it's inertia makes it a linear dynamo. You can expect woofers to have more inertia than tweeters. Damping that dynamo energy is important as it determines the precision of how wave shapes are formed/reproduced. So instead of moving horizontally, go from one stereo amp to bi-amp. You'll be surprised, assuming your crossover filter allows to be slit for more than one cable, what difference it makes to split damping, throw in more Ampères and run the signal to the woofer over another cable than the tweeter's
6a) Clean up cables and cabling. Really. Between the "clean up AC" and this one, there is some relation, of course, but when you cleaned up the AC until the wall outlet, you're not done. Buy a detector device that tells you where in your wall power lines, electrical leads, are. Switch it on and walk towards your audio component. Note how large the diameter of the electrical interference field of elements is. Power cable, source, power amp.
6b) In some countries, wall outlets allow an AC plug to be plugged one way or 180 degrees turned around. This means one orientation has phase and neutral in the correct way and the other has it in an inconvenient way for audio devices. Especially cheap components. Correct phase alignment between all components makes a big difference. Disconnect all components from AC and audio leads. Power one. Take the detector from 6a and measure at what distance (inches) the detector detects an electromagnetic field as you approach the component with the detector. Swap the AC plug around and measure again. The shortest distance is the correct one. When all are done (and labelled) make sure your AC power distribution things are all properly aligned as well. I replaced audio outlets in my house for those from another country so as to not have to worry about this any more.
7) Clean up your media you use to review your system and its setup. Go away from euphonic recordings used to sell high-end audio. Such recordings sound excellent on any kit. Look for acoustic music recorded with 2 microphones only with no effect processing. No multitrack recordings that have been placed into the soundstage with a pan-pot (panoramic potentiometer) and I don't care if the pot meter is of Cello Audio Palette qualities. Don't. Stay away. Avoid. You need proper phase information and spatial clues that you only get from acoustic recordings. This does not mean the music/programme is acoustic - it just references the recording. Make sure you have recordings from different venues (in size and character). Simple and complex music. Etc.
When you've done all this, you may find that 6b had the most dramatic effect (assuming the connections had been 50% mess). Having done the others makes it all the more audible.
The problem with 6b (phase and neutral) is how audio AC devices connect part of their circuits to something called "ground", then ground to chassis and connect ground between components via one of the audio links (IIRC the shield of the left channel). Swapping orientation causes "potential differences" between devices that causes current to flow and this causes undesired audio effects. Loudness, hum, are just two possibilities.
Good advice. I actually brought my vintage stuff out of the closet a few weeks ago. Lol. Surprised how much I’m enjoying it. Some records pop with the warmer tone.
And right on about the adding a sub. IMHO a system isn’t complete without one. Or even 2 or more are better for med-large rooms. I always tell guys with towers that say they are enough “a classic muscle car is enough but they are always better with a supercharger “ lol. like Steve said you don’t know what your missing.
If you can repair, then buy cosmetically very good vintage audio from an un-reputable seller (not a bad one, just an obscure one). That is (almost) more addictive than the whole audio it self, just to see what you get and the state it is in. One of the components I like the most that I bought like that is an Akai AP-004 turntable made by CEC in the early 70's. It not particular high end but talking about looks and feel to it, there is not a lot that beats it in that domain.
Also, you can start modding your speakers by simply upgrading the filter components with better quality ones with the same electrical parameters.
Yes it's amazing what people can hear with their eyes.
Wow Steve what a nostalgic episode i'm just off to get out my dad's old Leak 3O Plus stereo Amplifier !!
Moving from monitor audio silver 1 to kef concerto was the best move I made. Very little cost, and so much more of what I want
I went backwards to upgrade because the towers I had were way too powerful for the size of room I'm using them in. My bedroom setup is killer with a vintage 80's Pioneer and hooked up a pair of NHT SuperOnes 2.0 and I love it. The SuperOnes are acoustically sealed and although their bass isn't fantastic the bass they have is superbly tight.
On a slightly different note, the greatest upgrade many people could make is sitting closer to their speakers. Fewer issues with room reflections, wider sound stage, etc. I understand that your couch is bang up against the wall and you cannot move it around. Just get a foldable chair, plonk it down wherever you want when you want to listen.
I listen to my KEFs at about 4-5 feet away with a modest 35wps Cambridge Azur 340A. It's glorious in my small office. Try it. Gabor is right.
that is fine if you don't play loud like in a near field position, otherwise.. meh..
@@leonciobarrera7965 You don't need to turn it up too much to get high SPL at your listening position. The tricky part may be finding spots for the speakers and your chair where bass is in balance.
@@gaborozorai3714 I like my music Loud. It's more realistic that way. But during late night listening I also listened near field with my Proac D2R speakers and SET amp.
Day time its the Bryston and Living Voice plus dual REL sub for me at high volume.
@@leonciobarrera7965 You obviously have the space for appropriately placing speakers and your listening spot. My advice was for those who do not and therefore have issues with reflections from room boundaries, limited stage width and depth etc. I was not implying that the energy and size of Living Voice and RELs in a larger room cannot be replicated in a near field setup even if sheer SPL can.
Fantastic Advice! I also believe there is huge value in vintage equipment. You will never be able to experience the full force of the music attack from a speaker without a high current amplifier. Mark Levenson, Krell, McIntosh to name a few. The used market is full of amazing deals on 10 to 30 year old audio equipment. Amplifiers are only a small sample of great deals out there. Don't be scared! Do some research and jump in! Great advice from Steve!!!
One thing about buying a vintage amp is you will surely need to replaced or upgrade most of the original Caps and resistors. And after you do that it doesn't sound vintage anymore.. That is base on my friends experienced with his Dynaco Mark III monoblock.
I recently purchased a vintage Griffith 4ch stereo receiver for £50 needed new output valves cost £20 for the 4 and oh my god the sound is unbelievable. Such a pleasure to listen to has a warm comfortable tone like being hugged by the sound and considering its rated at 2x 50w it plays loud really loud
You can do sideways upgrades on a moderate budget. Try Klipsch Atmos speakers on top of your old speakers. Creates a large change for soundstage..
My stereo equipment is 1970s. All recapped. JBL L65, Pioneer 9500IIs, Technics 1950 turntable. Wife thinks they are all ugly. I am thinking about modern or one of your crazy tube amplifiers. Oh, and when you talk about remote control; lack of, lol.
yes i agree Steve good subwoofer is a must .😊😊
110% right, go up not vertically a Big waste of money.
For many people, direct-wired connect of the music source (no bluetooth) will make the biggest improvement of all.
Hello, Steve please do a review of the Tekton Speaker on the background first please. Please do more reviews on Tekton speakers like the Moab, Double Impact and one in the picture (Bang for the buck). I have both the CD and turntable, but I like the CD. No pops or high maintenance, my CD is the Ayon CD-5s cost around 15K when new. This CD player reproduce sound as good as vinyl or better than vinyl. Please review audio gear around 5k or 10k mark, as some of the audiophile like me have passed the budget range and looking for the next upgrade to get closer to the music. Thank You keep your videos coming.
Go horizontal instead of vertical - excellent advice. I have several vintage gears they sound better to my taste if in correct condition.
I also go reel to reel. Very engaging hobby
I needed a amp to drive my newly acquired Magnepan .7's as my tube amp just didn't have enough power. I found a Spectron Musical MK ll class D amp for less than a pair of decent speakers wires! Maggie's devour power!! And this has watts and current in spades!! My big concern is the amp is 15 years old and could go up in a puff of smoke! But I'm praying it doesn't I still own a VAC PA 80 80 tube amp and ARC LS15 tube pre amp that I bought in 1994 and they are still going strong
I'm a new subscriber Steve. We are of similar vintage. I'm very into your style of audio. Thank you!
I got quad esl 57’s to compliment my klipschorns. Grado/beyeredynamic/planar magnetics to compliment my sennheisers. But either way, head phone or main system, it’s always tubes. Gotta love tubes
I'm so far behind the curve I ended up in front of it! My gear is almost (?) vintage. Maybe 25 y.o. Conrad-Johnson PV10 and SA 250 amp feeding a kit Dynaudio 2-way floorstand speakers. One big factor in vintage...when you need a rebuild you have few options.
BTW - how come C-J doesn't get the love / mentions of other 'audiophile' gear?
You're cutting edge!
Good advice, but I have had tubes, Solid State, Planer, metal dome, compression driver., open baffle, most everything and have a good system now I would never change my speakers Hyperion hps-738 which are very laid back but so refined I will change other components but not my speakers.I listen to vinyl and digital, and use a sub which everyone should have great advice!
ROOM TREATMENTS ... even rearranging your furniture is where the biggest bang for your buck is. and from the looks of the viewer systems published on this channel id say its the one thing people seem very very averse to explore. you dont know what youre missing folks!
Hi Steve, thank you very much, I like so much your videos, you are so focused on the feeling, on the experience, on how the music can come inside of us....It's really a pleasure ti hear you, even if I don't understand everything (for my language limits, I'm from Italy...). Thank you
Still have, still great late 80s RSL Elan floorstanding speakers with passive RSL subwoofer. Yamaha M65, C65 separates. “May” replace Elan with Klipsch Forte III. But expensive at $4000.
Tektons, I heard (thanks for that still) a complete home theater setup build with tekton. It was a seller I got a mmgi magnepan from.
That dude had all top models of tekton in his cinema room. It’s insane the amount of displacement they produce
honestly, most people should spend some $ on acoustic treatment before swapping or upgrading gear. for the vast majority, some bass traps and broadband panels will bring new life to any existing system with immediate and significant sound quality gains . That would be the first upgrade Id suggest and the benefits will still be applicable to any future upgrades or gear swaps as well.
I like this kind of talk! I do not know why I really do not like your interviews with all those creators such as Nelson Pass, the Elac guy or the Roy from Klipsch.
By way,I am pretty impressed with the Bertagni bi polar planers I got today.very detailed and seamless!great build quality.too bad they never took off.i saw them on e bay, thought they were interesting,and took a chance.i'm glad I did!
I agree I have £8000 home cinema and love music on it but it really is virtually a perfect way of listening to music in a different way. With quiet comfort 15 it sounded like I was in a treated room lol big difference no reflections lol
Love your work - again! I love old b&o kit, not just for the sound, which is way better than most audiophiles generally acknowledge.
Don’t forget DIY upgrades too. Cables are a fantastic place to start - they are easy peasy compared to, say, tonearms...
Thanks Steve, your love of all things audio is infectious. I'm pretty green but learning lots.