John Gilbert's speech in front of the court in Redemption (1930)
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- John Gilbert final speech in his first Talkie "Redemption" from 1930. The movie itself isn't great, but his acting most of the time is. And his voice isn't silly or funny sounding as some people at the time said. I like it. I like him.
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There is absolutely nothing wrong or odd about his voice... I wish life had treated him more kindly..
frances Agreed.
His voice is okay, it's his terrible acting that is and was the problem
I just watched Babylon and searched John Gilbert.. I don't find anything wrong in his acting or his voice, infact he is remarkable for his time. It's the audience that failed him, just like we don't like to see comedian actor such as Jim Carrey do a serious role in Dark Crimes, the people who watched countless of John's movies without talkies preferred him that way. When voice was added to their all time favourite actor, he lost the charm in their eyes because they were all focused on his voice and not the actor that they once loved, and so all fame was lost for John.. Not his fault by any means.
@@groovygraves2409 Are you serious?
It’s a tragedy that his life was cut short. He was a excellent actor and nothing is wrong with his voice his diction is perfect.
There is something seldom mentioned regarding John Gilbert's professional decline; his contract. It was signed shortly before his sound debut and guaranteed him a quarter of a million dollars per picture. At the exact same time as his first talking picture, the stock market collapsed which began the Great Depression. And at the same time, radio suddenly brought professional entertainment to the home. The catastrophic changes in the economy and the movie industry made Gilbert's contract impossible to justify. M-G-M became determined to cancel the contract and did everything in it's power to achieve that end.
*I had heard that they removed the BASS in the sound*
*so that his speaking voice in the movies did not*
*replicate his real voice*
*What a fabulous actor. Brad Pitt plays a character*
*based on him in Babylon...sad.* 😢
@@TrudyPatootie you're somebody else somewhere in a thread and one of the vids I looked at about John Gilbert said the same thing where it was rigged to sound stranger in the theaters .
I could believe it and supposedly Louie B Mayer had a personal thing against him .
All these decades later and I'm so glad more and more people are showing an interest in what happened to this man
A really great actor. Too bad he was unappreciated in the early talkies. Movie business is unfair. There are a lot of really talented actors that really deserve more recognition, not just the ones that get the awards.
Will never understand why he was treated so badly when sound came in. His voice was fine and he was such a good actor. His story is so tragic and unfair.
Louie B. Mayer set out to destroy Mr. Gilbery , when Mr. Gilbert , in a drunken condition punched Mr. Mayer at a failed wedding of Gilbert's . The two men were very good friend until that evening . Mr. Mayer announced , in public he would destroy Gilbert and he did just that , giving him the worst directors and in Mr. Gilbert's first talking picture Mr. Mayer has the base removed from the sound track . Mr. Gilbert's voice became high pitched and audience could stop laughing .
Dude is chewing the scenery to the point of self-parody. I understand that you like his looks but how biased how can you be not to see his terrible overacting
@@groovygraves2409 : Dude nothing to do with Mr. Gilbert's looks , it's a matter of justice . He was railroaded out of Hollwood . Not even Sont pictures could get away with this gaslighting in this day and age .
Because it was bullshit, His voice was fine and his talkies were relatively successful.
Yes it is overacting but aren’t most of the actors of his era guilty of doing the same?
I love his voice. It’s devastating about what happened to his career… Bless his heart 💔
Great performance.
Happy Happy Birthday John Gilbert. You are my favorite of all the silent films stars. You could have had a wonderful career in the talkies. You had a wonderful voice. I thought you sounded a bit like Ronald Colman. You had a wonderful voice and was a damn good actor. You should have been at any studio other an MGM. Being there was the worst thing that happen to you. God Bless You!
I never believed the myth that Gilbert's voice was 'bad' for talkies and now here is proof that his voice is perfectly fine. I believe that he was simply a victim of the public's changing taste in movies stars. He may have burned a few bridges with those in power by the time studios changed to talkies, too. But in his prime, he was matchless; a true movie star: handsome, charming, intelligent and a huge box office draw. He deserved much better out of life than he ended with.
In one or two threads above this somebody explains that he and Louis B. Mayer used to be very good friends until they had gotten into some kind of a fight where John Gilbert punched him and Mayer said in public he would destroy John Gilbert .
Someone said his daughter I think they mean Gilbert's daughter wrote a biography about him and explained all about it .
Frankly, I think he was excellent!
It's weird to watch an old timey movie without a strong old timey accent. He sounds kind of modern.
my all time favorite silent movie star.ruthless tyrant M.G.M boss louiy b. mayer practically destroyed his career,never did like mayer after what I read and heard about him.
My God. John Gilbert was a man on fire. And I mean that in the best possible sense.
And for his voice Hollywood destroys John's career? Oh god. This is ridiculous. John's voice is strong and emotive and his tone is like Tom Hiddleston's voice, like Leonardo Di Caprio's voice. It's not so bad.
John Gilbert's voice was fine but a little high pitched. Sometimes people have an image of you. If his fans believed that he had a deep, smooth voice and heard something else that may have impacted his image. Besides, falling out with the boss never helps one's career either.
His voice doesn't sound squeaky to me. Can't imagine what all the fuss was about.
Actually, he sounds surprisingly naturalistic and modern
I agree. I think he sounds fine. Not “squeaky” at all lol.
In "His Glorious Night" there was nothing wrong with Gilbert's voice; the pitch & tone were quite normal and I, for one, cannot detect any sign of technical tampering by the sound engineers as the legend has it. The problem was that the fans were expecting a broad American accent & the shock was the 'posh' & rather 'camp' upper class English accent that caused sniggers among the teenage girls. Whether Louis B. Mayer, knowing that Gilbert the professional, would speak in this unexpected manner as the part required, planned it that way is open to speculation. This would be one way to humiliate Gilbert whom he hated.
Love Gilbert... his story is tragic.
He had a wonderful voice
His voice seem like it falls in the medium range, but maybe comes off sounding a little too refined and proper. Still, that shouldn't have been a death knell to his career. Part of the problem might have been not only were his first two sound films, REDEMPTION and HIS GLORIOUS NIGHT disasters in terms of script and editing, they along with some of the films that followed were overly morbid. He also had new competition as new actors came on the scene or were elevated from bit or supporting roles from the silent era. While Gilbert may have been king on the silent screen, the sound era ushered in a different or modified art form and the 30s a different taste in pop culture than the 20s. Clark Gable, William Powell, Fred Astaire were now rivals for box office and lead roles. I don't know if Mayer intentionally sabotaged his career. It seems foolish if he did, given their financial investment in him, but maybe Mayer was that petty. We'll never know. Also, while his voice was fine, his fans may have had an image of him that didn't meet their expectations once they heard him speak. Combine all of that with his lifestyle choices. In short, I don't think it was any one thing that did him, but a combination of factors. Even if MGM didn't sabotage him, I think his career would have still declined, but at a more gradual pace, throughout the 1930s rather than crashing and burning the way it did.
1929 and 30, his voice sounds different in the early talkies, afterwards technology got better and his voice to me sounded better.
sounds like gene wilder in willy wonka.. now i wanna watch willy wonka
"...his decline as a star had far more to do with studio politics and money than with the sound of his screen voice, which was rich and distinctive."
Wikipedia
Mayer may well have had a huge part in his downfall but the bottle was not going to stand by him either.
I don't intend to sound preachy but don't forget that it is an industry and if the makers are unhappy with a part they will simply remove it.
John Gilbert's First Talkie Film Was "His Glorious Night" 1929.
Redemption was filmed before His Glorious Night, making it actually his first talkie. ;)
Yes i know, but MGM decided to release "His Glorious Night" instead. So the public heard his voice from that movie before "Redemption".
I Love John Gilbert, own all of his DVD's, most of his films are lost unfortunately, some still have not been released on DVD (A Woman Of Affairs) 1928. His life story is very sad to say the least, i myself thought his voice was perfect for talkies, but Louis B. Mayer absolutely destroyed his career.
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Oh, you're right Louis B. was an idiot. It's terrible how they treated John. I also like his voice, although it is a bit unusual, but it is his, and it isn't laughable or anything.
I don't know if it was a good desicion to show His Glorious Night first or not. I haven't seen it. Does it even still exist? Redemption was ok, but not the best material. That was the main problem, he got so many bad scripts. :(
MGM was going to release "Redemption" first, but changed they're mind, i personally think Louis B. Mayer fooled around the the pitch vocal of his voice. By then John had punched Mayer to the ground and Mayer was bleeding, so Mayer set out to destroy Gilbert. He wanted out of his contract, but Mayer being the tyrant that he was, said no, and gave him bad scripts John Gilbert started drinking alot, the high point before his death in 1936 was a movie "Queen Christina" Garbo wouldn't do the film unless her leading man was Gilbert. Garbo won in the end and it is one of the best Movie's i have ever seen.
Mayer was a very cruel & bitter man, John Gilbert will always live on as a True Hollywood Legend.
Yes, I read all about it, but can we really trust this legend of Gilbert punching Mayer and Mayer therefor saying he'll ruin his career. We weren't there, of course, so we don't know for sure. It was utterly stupid of Mayer though to ruin the career of his biggest money maker of the time.
Another factor in ruining his career was the press. They constantly wrote about his "high pitched" voice, influencing their readers to a point wjere most just believed what they read, instead of trusting their own ears.
It wasn't his voice in movies that ruined his career. His voice was fine. Louis B. Mayer, a.k.a. Attila the Hun, had a grudge against Gilbert, and managed to ruin his career.
And they said his voice was not right for talkies . Just BS to destroy him .
Based on three talking scenes, Gilbert SHOULD have been a lead star into the $0s and 1950s. Cooper, Gable etc made the jump. Gilbert was not marginally talented, he was supremely talented. There was definitely something nefarious going on.
I never thought his voice was squeaky but not impressive either. It was his own mindset that destroyed him. You can blame who you want. But alot of stars had to overcome obstacles. Like John Barrymore he chose alcohol.
normal voice not outstanding but could work by todas standarts
this is one of those pre-code movies that I'm not sure if I have an unequivocal opinion about its quality. on the one hand, I'm not a-die-hard-fan of this theatrical acting, it's overacted from my point of view, barely delivers emotions, and the slow tempo of the film doesn't help either. on the other hand, there is something nice about it, it's 'different'. a pre-code film is consisted of many components. acting and emotions are important, but sometimes there is also a unique atmosphere, sometimes there is also the depth of the story, sometimes there are other components which are compensating for the disadvantages that I've mentioned before. what I want to say is, that this film is not a masterpiece, but not a catastrophe either. it all depends on how much experience you have - watching such old movies. while I was watching the film, I didn't suffer, and wasn't too excited either. the bottom line is that this film was somehow ok. thanks for the video and I'm sorry for the long comment, it won't happen again ;-)
With the enmity Louis B. Mayer felt for him, I have to wonder if that "poor talking voice" malarkey wasn't originally floated by him or his underlings. Okay, his speaking voice wasn't of "Shakespearian resonance" or anything, but it was entirely adequate (and plenty of other stars got by with the same, or worse). I think Gilbert's career was largely derailed by Mayer, and his own alcoholism.
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Nothing wrong with his voice. Hearsay.
I keep looking for this film! Where can I find it? :-O
+blofeld39 You can buy it on amazon.com
Too bad that this wasn't his talkie debut
Actually Gilbert’s voice was beautiful. The problem was his self destructive behaviour
He was so gorgeous, but Louis B. Mayer destroyed him.
I just think Mayer wanted to get even with John for decking him in the restroom in response to a derogatory remark he made about Greta Garbo. Mayer was obviously a petty, petty, petty man on a big power trip, so he sought revenge in wrecking John's career. Mayer's stupidity regarding John Gilbert is appalling. Even if John had not worked out as an actor in the talkies, he could have been a valuable asset as a director or producer. If Mayer did intentionally wreck John's career, he was a moron and very bad businessman -- Diane,
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Ok , so WHAT WAS WRONG WITH HIS VOICE !!!
It came out of a man that Mayer despised.
Maybe not everyone gets the reference 🤣
Maybe not everyone gets the reference
His voice sounds funny.
Okay, I get this, he was a handsome fellow and obviously still has female fans as evidenced in this comment section. But how blind (and deaf) can you be not to see his terrible ham acting? Dude is chewing the scenery aka overacting so hard it becomes the parody. He single handedly devours the whole movie will his delivery. No wonder the audience at the time reacted with embarassed laughter. There were silent actors and actresses who successfully managed to make the jump to the talkies because they could act like a NORMAL people. Everyone who sees this clip can see that J. Gilbert had no chance, he wasn't one of them. The sound made all the hammy acting obvious and a bad actor couldn't fake it anymore.
The way of acting of an actor is not set in stone. Don’t you think a good director would have been able to redirect his acting? I mean, this is literally what a director is there for. In reality, Louis B Mayer and the studio were set out to destroy Gilbert’a career.
There is nothing at all wrong with his voice.