The lies hikers tell you guys…😯 you have no idea!
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- čas přidán 12. 07. 2024
- The lies hikers tell you guys... about tents, backpacks and what not! This is the focus on today’s episode because these lies, or false truths are common and the more often they are told the more established they get so let’s fight them and talk about the truth instead!
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“Hike your own hike”....absolutely THE best words of wisdom for any & all. It’s a personal experience & should be done under the parameters that the individual wants to set...regardless of base weight, expense of kit & speed of completion. It’s great to learn from others who have experience, but don’t become a sheep & follow. Be yourself.
As always sir, great video.
All the best
.Wish.
"Buy once, cry once" is a rough one, particularly for people new to a hobby. I just started last year, and my third tent was my favorite.
Having since fallen in love with hammocks, I now have 3 cheap tents that I don't use instead of 3 expensive tents collecting dust 😂
I don't recommend buying expensive stuff until you're sure that you know what works best for you.
So true. I bought some gear three times. 💸
Can only agree 👍🏻
I have bought our three backpacks used. One still had the tags on it. One was slightly dusty. Wiped the other down. It had slight abrasions to the mesh pocket. Three for slightly more than one new by watching auctions for a few months
@@techguy9023 Looks like three is the magic number ✨ The same crossed my mind after commenting. I also should have checked the second hand market first. I have a full set up now but I’m looking at clearances and used gear for possible upgrades.
I met a hiker on the AT a couple of weeks ago. She had thru-hiked the AT once and section hiked it once. That day she was doing a section hike VERY slowly due to a knee replacement las year. But she was thoroughly enjoying it and taking in all the views. She said she had missed those views on her first two trips because she was in a hurry.
Perhaps it is possible to see more places by hiking fast. But by going slow, you see more things IN the places you hike. Good observation takes time and focus. There is a deeper appreciation and understanding of nature that only comes when we slow down enough to notice.
Was her name Mary?
@@ShaggyRodgers420 I really don’t know. We did not exchange names and only chatted briefly. But she was inspiring and encouraging.
@@rebeccasponderings8459 it sounds like Mary 😊 She has a white (dirty!) backpack. Older but in great shape. Off so she is a triple crowner, and has also hiked all of the secondary trails. Great lady, and as you said very inspiring!
Pretty decent advice.
Only after some decades of hiking (and working), I've now gathered my mostly high quality/top brand gear. Most of it from sales mind you.
When you start out, a Decathlon or comparable outdoor/sport gear company, offers virtually everything you need.
I started young with cheaper 'military surplus dumpstore' stuff.
Only many years later, I got myself a one person tent for longer (multi) week hikes.
My Soulo just allows me (1.88m) to sit up straight on my mattress without rubbing the inner, a lower tent would be backache-inducing to be honest.
Also, buy strategically I'd say. Invest in good quality boots/shoes and a tent.
A cheap aluminum cook set will do fine for many, many years, no need to go for titanium immediately f.i.
Or, a 50 $/€ rain resistant head torch will be fine, no need to go 'Everest ready' immediately.
Agreed, we used a 5$ aluminum pot for 30 years, I only went to titanium when I started to go solo and age meant weight mattered more. It's more important to have fun than have the newest gear
Totally agree in regards to one man tents, I have two tents and one of them is a Fjallraven abisko lite 1, I use this when I'm going to an area that I know has little space for pitching. However I have a two man tent for those places I know the pitches can take it or more in size. Comfort is most important, compared to weight for me! At 61 it is a challenge to be climbing in and out, changing in a one man tent! Thankyou for sharing.
I “lie” because I want to get my friends/encourage more people to come out of their nest and spend more time outdoors! We just tell them all the good stuffs right? Not how cold/wet/windy and exhausting the hike was 😜 besides who needs to hear my complaining, that’s why I bring my dog, she just looks at me back 🥺 and I instantly feel better 😅
Double walled tents are worth the extra weight any day. Single wall tents are night and day with the ability to handle condensation.
I have very little experience with single wall tents but will use one for 2024 hikes and see… ventilation is key and my new tent has plenty! We’ll see… it’s a new version of Big Sky Mirage 1.5 🙂
Agree 100%...BUT...I keep a door open with my Duplex if dry & if raining (& it rains a LOT here in the UK...!) I keep the height pitched up to allow plenty air-flow & condensation is kept to bare minimum if at all. Then a quick wipe down if needed early in the morning & I’m ready to pack & go as opposed to trying to dry-out the fly. I only break out my Hilleberg in deep winter for summit sleeps or trips to Norway. Just my humble opinion. 😉
Not a bad discussion for beginners; after-all beginners are going to buy once, then twice then three-times (like the rest of us have done). Those persons hiking miles-and-miles have lots of time to think about what they can get rid-of or replace with something lighter. Only occasionally is there gear that is so best-in-class that it is possible to 'buy-once cry-once.' Maybe a Durston dcf tent? Otherwise, 10-12 hrs a day leaves plenty of time to consider alternatives. 2) Light-frames are painful and/or fiddly. Frameless is almost always better for those seeking to pack lighter, however frameless requires rolling gear into long, vertical 'sticks,' packed side-by-side to create pack-structure. (more...)
Many advocate for air-gap between pack and back, but every inch of gap adds leveraged-weight to shoulder straps. Then there's the imbalance of separating pack weight from one's center-of-gravity when crossing logs over a raging river. Nevertheless, some prefer the instability, weight and/or pain of a frame digging into their back or hips, so frameless isn't necessarily for everyone (although have never seen a triple-crowner using a frame-pack?).
Ultra contains Dyneema (technically UHMWPE, since 'Dyneema' is merely a marketing/trademark name for UHMWPE). In fact, Ultra contains more dyneema/UHMWPE than dcf. It's the mylar in dcf that's a little too fragile for backpacks and bags, not the dyneema. Ultra is slightly heavier, so dcf remains better for tents and tarps. So yes, dcf/Ultra is almost always the way to go for ultralight.
I agree about frameless packs, but have to add that there are triple crowners recognized all the way back in the 70s, before there were frameless packs.
Better gear makes the hike easier and maybe more enjoyable. I doubt, however, that anyone who was orherwise going to finish a long trail didn't finish because they had a framed pack. It has more to do with the individual than the gear. Just my opinion.
Great video. The buy once cry once is a bad idea if you are just starting, do some research and see what is available, ask friends what they use and buy something that may fit your needs. Not many will buy once. Some budget gear is totally fine if it works for you. You can also take your time building up your gear. There are good deals on used gear to be had.......Take care, Bluefin.
Thanks 🙏🏻, and agree on all points!
I agree with most of the advice BUT:
1) i prefer NO-soaking. I eat very slowly anyway, so if i were to ‘hot soak’, the food would only be hot for about 1/3 of it. I’m not making a sacrifice by no-soaking, I’m not trying to save weight either, although i appreciate having less bulk and hassle from stoves, canisters, etc.
2) a frameless AND hip-belt-less back has been a gamechanger for me. It’s much more comfortable and freeing. And since my pack has a big pouch at the bottom, i don’t need a waist pack. So much more mobility, visibility and comfort not having all this stuff around my waist (including extras in hip belt pockets). I felt suffocated before. The new frameless packs are more comfortable b/c of the very wide, flexible running style vest. Sure, these are less comfortable if you regularly carry over 20lbs, but i feel the real reward of being ultralight is being able to comfortably uses my frameless, hip belt-less pack. I save about 1-2lbs on the pack itself, but that’s not the point. The point is the vest and overall feel of the carry. Yes, I’m faster with it, but again, that’s not the point for me. I’m not having a race. I think your video is accurate about SOME people who go frameless when those people would probably be better off with a frame. But there are plenty of other people who are not considering frameless and hip-belt less, but they should. And yes, my pack is made of Ultra. Love it.
The biggest lie is "you're almost there".
True true 😄
I watched a John Muir trail documentary on CZcams called, "Mile, Mile and a Half". I think it was titled that because no matter how far you have to go, it is always a mile, mile and a half away.
@@clydewillis that sounds about right.
@@clydewillis
John Muir Trail? But it is only a mile away.
That is, a mile away 211 times.
Lucky MEeee; I'm a mere 5'3" - the interior room in most any 1-person tent ever made is more than sufficient for MEeee . The 5-Star accommodations out in the boonies for me is the Hilleberg Enan which I bought, but didn't cry.
Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada, U.S.A.
There will always be exceptions 😄👍🏻 great you love your Enan!
Here is another lie for you. "Two stays are a pack frame."
~S
Depends on the weight you need to carry but yeah… find the U-shaped frames to be the best light weight ones.
Your content is so diverse and captivating bud! Absolutely amazing 👏👏
Thanks ☺️
Yep, good advice.
A nuance about "buy once, cry once": There are times when inexpensive gear is very nearly as good as expensive stuff. Polyester/fleece clothing and BRS-3000t come to mind.
OTOH, there are times when a wise upfront investment is just plain better and can save a lot of frustrating experiments (ShakeDry or a good pack).
Agree to that… like the Windmaster or Pocket Rocket stoves, two good ones worth the money! Still love to buy new ones and compare 🤷🏼♂️😄
@hammenrudh Oh, you have asked about "which Frogg Toggs?" a couple of times. I should expand on what I have said in the past:
Here in the US, Frogg Toggs Ultralight 2 (UL2) is the choice for ultralight people. It is the original membrane-on-the-outside fabric which can never wet out, and very few rain garments of any type are lighter. The current price for jacket and pants is $20 for the set. Even at $20 for just a jacket or poncho, that's the sweet spot and is one of the best bargains available in outdoor gear.
I don't know what prices are like in Sweden, but the appeal of UL2 would decrease with increasing price. UL2 is fragile because there is no face fabric. I would not be enthusiastic about it if it sold for, say, €50, or whatever that is in crowns.
Frogg Toggs Xtreme Lite is a more robust version ($60 here). It is also membrane-on-the-outside, just 50% heavier weight. People report that it is much stronger than FT UL2.
However, Frogg Toggs stuff has limited breathability. It's better than straight waterproof, but has about half the MVTR of Gore-Tex (according to a single obscure test, but it sounds approximately correct). FT compensates by over-sizing their garments, which allow air circulation underneath the fabric. This works well, until you squish it against your body with a pack.
So, if you pay too much for it, then Frogg Toggs becomes much less interesting.
Silnylon is nearly as lightweight, packs much smaller, and is stronger and more abrasion resistant. (However it is not breathable at all.)
I don't know what the conclusion is for European customers, but it is possible that Frogg Toggs may be much less of a bargain in Europe than it is in the US.
Hi Robert, thanks again for a very good video! Well thought and prepared. And I totally agree with you! Best regards, Christian
Very good Robert! I enjoy all of your videos but this one was a little bit different and I like your thoughts! Thanks!
Thanks 🙏🏻 always nice hearing people like what you do! 🙂 taking a bit of break at the moment though because of “work overload” in my everyday job! But will be back with new videos in May I hope! Maybe not every week though!
I hate the saying 'buy once cry once'. Why? For the price of a top of the range tent, I could fully equip and cloth myself for all the hiking I am going to do, plus I will have plenty spare for food, travel and beer.
Cold soak. Personally I found that some things soak fine, but most do not.
hey Robert, I recently realized this whole 10 pounds hysteria is like a trap. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for going lighter but I realized since I'm a side sleeper I need a pillow, a good and relatively high pillow to get a good sleep, and I decided not to sacrifice anymore on comfort just to reach my 4.5 kilos base weight but to indulge in a good comfortable and high pillow, period, even if my base weight is 5 kilos, I DON'T CARE ;) this same with the pack, for couple of years I used frameless pack, which was ok but in the summer I sweat terribly to the point it was dripping on my pants, so I said enough is enough and I get zpacks arc haul, and I love it.
Yeah it’s a bit of a hysteria I agree… I like it because it makes me think twice and force me to try new stuff but finally one should use what works best for you no matter if you end up 10-11 or 15p! 👍🏻
They aren't really lies, just differences of opinion.
Could be, yes 🙂
Hike your own hike can be misused so that a person grants himself permission to stop following the land use rules, stop being couteous to others and endanger the landscape with inappropiate campfires. It is useful especially to remind yourself not to judge another hiker for making gear choices, hiking speed choices, or personal choices like hiking always in shorts. When you hike your own hike you make those coices for yourself and the next hiker gets to do the same.
I don’t like ‘Be bold, start cold.’ My father had a good piece of advice: ‘Any fool can be uncomfortable.’ Be smart. Dress for the weather.
Never heard ”be bold, start cold”… I never do that… rather remove a layer further on when picking up some heat. 🤷🏼♂️ usually wear the puffy for a bit in the morning if it is cold.
Cold soaking depends a lot on time of year, type of food and type of trip :D in warm summer, something like couscous, i almost prefer it cold soaked - in winter time... i prefer a hot meal :) 1. tent, depends a lot on the tent, there is a big difference on 1p tents :) an Xmid1 - works fine, a nordisk lofoten 1. well.... :) 2. frameless packs are definitely only for sub UL baseweight :) if you carry less than 6-8 kilos - for me, a frameless is more comfortable (its not so much about the weight, but you carry the weight better) 3. definitely agree :) DCf is great, but DCF has some big cons (price, volume and durability) personally - silpoly or even silnylon is both in many ways better 4. definitely agree - everything breaks and we get new preferences and are curious 5. it think both ways are "wrong" - the "you dont see everything going far/fast" is just as wrong :) it all depends on you, your shape, experience and mental attitude - personally, i like the general idea of HYOH - but its being used these days to the brink of becoming meaningless - for some like "mind your own business" and similar - but what we can agree on i think most hikers, as long as you behave polite, dont damage nature and annoy others, well weather if you hike slow, fast, long, short, heavy, light... we all share the same passion for hiking :)
Who is using ultra for tents?
It's not the same as the ultragrid ultraweave fabric they use for backpacks
The biggest lie is.. "We're almost to the top!"
😂 told that lie many times 😄
Love all your videos man....and I mean all of them!! However I totally love my one man tent which is the first tent I bought. Dan durston solid.
Thanks, glad you do! 🙂 and yeah, DanDurstons Xmid1 is probably one of the few 1p with a bit more space, understand you love it!
I agree about the tent, however, the Durston x-mid 1p with two vestibules might just have the perfect amount of room and storage space for 1 person.
I do agree to that, it’s probably the biggest/roomiest 1 person tent out there.
I'll carry my 5lb osprey aether AG over anything ul
1.7 kilo difference between my Hilliberg Soulo 1 man and Kaitum 2 GT, both with footprint. In the snow the Kaitum just does not keep me as warm as the Soulo.
Good tip on the backpacks 🎩
Nice video 😊
🙏🏻🙂
I hike slow, just how i roll. Your last line my mind went to "embrace the suck"?
😂👍🏻 slow is nice… I will try it more this year!!
You have missed out on the virtues of a Zpack ultra 70 litre that weighs 600gms and ITS FRAMED :)
I Only took two good examples I know performs excellent… but yeah, 600 grams for 70L is light.
It’s nice to hear someone tell the truth…You should go into politics…Have fun stay safe.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed the video! No politics for me though 😄
Not all hikers are liars. In fact, most are very honest. It's just that they are saying things they were told, things not accurate and they don't know. It would have been more honest to say something like: "Debunking Myths on the trail". And may I remind you that you've said things that were not true, or not exact, more than once in the past... Just saying.
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Not true. The outdoors is always a question of: Adaptation, Personal Preferences, and Compromnises. The best is a two person tent...most of the time. This will allow you to keep your backpack inside and be more comfortable. It does make a very big difference on a long hike. Like for the AT, CDC, or PCT. However, it's a very different story if you're going for just a few day hike and want/need to very as ultra light as possible. The, a one person tent is best. It also depends on WHERE you're going to hike. Experienced hikers knows that finding a spot for a tent in the forest is real challenging. That's why a hamok is best in the forest. But if you just have a tent, then a one person tent can make the difference between a quick setup and good long night of sleep, and a nightmare trying to find a spot big enough for your tent and maybe even not flat... So the right thing is: IT DEPENDS.
You know what, it's VERY anoying to hear "It's a lie" all the time. I don't think you're going to get more viewers by insulting people. As said, most are just saying things they've heard and are misinformed. They're not trying to lie to others. It's so true, that the channels with msot subscribers never used a title like you just did. They do the proper research before publishing a video and are providing the right info. This without trying to be "sensational" to try to get more viewers. Those people have a lot of credibility because of that proper attitude. Darwin on the Trail, Joe Robinet, Dixie on the trail, etc. are perfect example of that. It's too bad that you're going that way, the wrong way, because your presentation and editing is top notch. Even better that theirs.
It's ok and understandable when someone doesn't share certain opinions about backpacking. However, calling it "lies" is wild and I strongely oppose this kind of rhetoric
It’s CZcamsr trying to play the algorithm. It’s stupid, insulting to the viewer but done by everyone.